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Re: Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6

 

What about Moshix's HNET ?



On Wednesday, July 31, 2024 at 04:03:27 PM PDT, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8@...> wrote:


Hello!
Let us presuppose I have gotten a Hercules setup running the currently
available release of the community edition of VM/370rle6. Not of
course the two disk setup I normally run. What would be involved in
having it reach out and connect to other similar systems, and even
exchange messages, in the same way we send email to each other, and
also files. And to do so on a routine basis. This is an interesting
concept, but it will be a difficult one to properly grok.

Now why is an unhappy Yeti doing outside a McDonalds in a corner of a
town that's a suburb of Pittsburgh.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@...
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
Networking a selection of Hercules systems running VM/370rel6

 

Hello!
Let us presuppose I have gotten a Hercules setup running the currently
available release of the community edition of VM/370rle6. Not of
course the two disk setup I normally run. What would be involved in
having it reach out and connect to other similar systems, and even
exchange messages, in the same way we send email to each other, and
also files. And to do so on a routine basis. This is an interesting
concept, but it will be a difficult one to properly grok.

Now why is an unhappy Yeti doing outside a McDonalds in a corner of a
town that's a suburb of Pittsburgh.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@...
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."
Re: User Program DEBUGging in CMS #VMCE

 

Using the U of Maine PER facility is the ONLY way to go with debugging.. Its intro in the late 70's(?) era was, in my mind, the single biggest advancement to VM program development. Every VM shop around the world had that mod installed.
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The debugging facilities included in CMS are primitively minimal (or minimally primitive?)... they are a holdover from CMS67... and... they are invasive... ADSTOP and TRACE work by replacing the 1st halfword of each instruction with a special SVC
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cheers,
Bill Denton
Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

Not relevant. Jim has an SP5 or SP6 system.

Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Gregg Levine
via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2024 4:23 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

Hello!
Jim just for everyone's benefit, but also mine, can you restate all of your steps? I
still run the original system when I feel I need to do something. Presupposing
that the tools to do so are available on that one I would need to know what
those were.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@...
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 10:56?PM Jim Snellen via groups.io
<jsnellen55@...> wrote:

Yay! I finally got CMS saved.

The command I used from MAINT was 'IPL 190 CL PARM SAVESYS CMS'.

The Shared S-STAT message no longer displays whenever a user machine logs
on.

Case closed.
Floating in space near the the rubble of Alderaan is a sign, "The Deathstar was
here, and the Princess was rescued. So was the battle complete the efforts to
end the Empire joined."
Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

Hello!
Jim just for everyone's benefit, but also mine, can you restate all of
your steps? I still run the original system when I feel I need to do
something. Presupposing that the tools to do so are available on that
one I would need to know what those were.
-----
Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@...
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

On Mon, Jul 22, 2024 at 10:56?PM Jim Snellen via groups.io
<jsnellen55@...> wrote:

Yay! I finally got CMS saved.

The command I used from MAINT was 'IPL 190 CL PARM SAVESYS CMS'.

The Shared S-STAT message no longer displays whenever a user machine logs on.

Case closed.
Floating in space near the the rubble of Alderaan is a sign, "The
Deathstar was here, and the Princess was rescued. So was the battle
complete the efforts to end the Empire joined."
Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

Yay! I finally got CMS saved.
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The command I used from MAINT was 'IPL 190 CL PARM SAVESYS CMS'.
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The Shared S-STAT message no longer displays whenever a user machine logs on.
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Case closed.
Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

Eddy,
Thanks! I have both of those manuals and I¡¯ll check them again for the rebuild steps.

Jim
Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

I suggest you look on bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/vm/sp/release_6_Jul88 and get SC19-6201-06 (VM SP 6 planning guide) and SC24-5237-4? ( VM SP 6 installation guide) as you appear to be using VMSPR6.
As I remember it the basic idea of how to rebuild CP and CMS didn't change much as VM moved from VM/370 to VMSP releases 1 to 6, but they introduced newer procedures to automate and obfuscate what was happening.?
Eddy Balem
Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

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Not sure what the problem is without knowing some more information.Size of CMSUSER? 2M, 8M, 16M?
Directory entry for CMSUSER is 1024K

After saving, did you have MAINT do IPL CMS? What happened?
Just tried and got this:

ipl cms ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
PRT FILE 0056 ?TO ?MAINT ? ?COPY 001 ? NOHOLD ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
?20:05:13 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
?MSG FROM MAINT ? : DMSFRM166T Unexpected error in free storage management routine (internal error code 99), re-IPL CMS. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
?20:05:14 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
?MSG FROM MAINT ? : DMSABN1297I DUMP HAS BEEN TAKEN ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
DMKDSP450W CP entered; disabled wait PSW '00020000 40E59740' ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? CP READ ? VMSPR6

MAINT directory size is 16m.? IPL 190 works fine though.
I'll be happy to provide any info. needed.
Ready; T=0.02/0.05 20:27:17 ? ? ? ?
q cplevel ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
VM/SP RELEASE 6, SERVICE LEVEL 601 ?
GENERATED AT 07/17/24 19:47:44 EDT ?
IPL AT 07/18/24 22:22:10 EDT ? ? ? ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 20:27:22 ? ? ? ?
q cmslevel ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
VM/SP Release 6, Service Level 601 ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 20:27:28 ? ??? ??

Jim
Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 12:10 PM, Jim Snellen wrote:
I¡¯ve already downloaded the available PDFs from bitsavers for release 6. Looking at the bibliography of some of those documents suggest there are others that hopefully someone might have.
Also, if anyone can provide the steps I need to resolve my issue, it will be greatly appreciated.
Not sure what the problem is without knowing some more information.Size of CMSUSER? 2M, 8M, 16M?
After saving, did you have MAINT do IPL CMS? What happened?
?
However, you might also look at Melinda Varian's reference:
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?... Mark S.
Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

Thanks everyone!
I¡¯ve already downloaded the available PDFs from bitsavers for release 6. Looking at the bibliography of some of those documents suggest there are others that hopefully someone might have.
Also, if anyone can provide the steps I need to resolve my issue, it will be greatly appreciated.

Jim
Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 


On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 12:22?PM Mark Waterbury via <mark.s.waterbury=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi, Jim,
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There are many VM/SP manuals here --
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You did not mention what version or release of VM/SP you are looking for?
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Hope that helps,
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Mark



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Jeff Henry
Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

Hi, Jim,
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There are many VM/SP manuals here --
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? ?bitsavers.org/pdf/ibm/VM/SP/
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You did not mention what version or release of VM/SP you are looking for?
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Hope that helps,
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Mark
Re: Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

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Good morning,

You are looking for VM/SP documentation 5664-167.

A newer version of

CP Commands and Utilities Reference

Can be found here:

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DEFSYS and SAVESYS are described.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jim Snellen
Sent: Samstag, 20. Juli 2024 05:35
To: [email protected]
Subject: [h390-vm] Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

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Hello,?

I'm needing a manual for 5664-167, 'CP System Command Reference SC24-5402', - OR - a solution.

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I stumbled upon a process to rebuild CP and was successful in assembling DMKSYS and DMKRIO using 'VMFFASM DMKxxx 5664167E' followed by 'VMFBLD 5664167E' (CP).

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I added two modules to MAINT's 190 disk and now I'm getting the ''shared S-stat message' logging on to CMSUSER.

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If I issue?

'VMFBLD 5664167E' (CMS) I get

.

.

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DMSBLD1851I Processing DMS5JC ?with the part handler GENSERVE EXEC.?
DMSWGS3056I Processing started for: DMS5QE. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
DMSBLD1851I Processing DMS5JD ?with the part handler GENSERVE EXEC.?
DMSWGS3056I Processing started for: DMS4HZ. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
DMSBLD1851I Processing DMS5JG ?with the part handler GENSERVE EXEC.?
DMSWGS3056I Processing started for: DMS5PR. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
DMSBLD1851I Processing CPYSDSK ?with the part handler VMFBDCPY EXEC.
DMSBLD1851I Processing CMSLOAD ?with the part handler VMFBDNUC EXEC.
SYSTEM LOAD DECK COMPLETE ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
PUN FILE 0054 ?TO ?MAINT ? ?COPY 001 ? NOHOLD ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
DMSINQ082E IPL device error; reenter ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
DMSINQ608R IPL device address =

(press Enter)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??

VM/SP Release 6 07/19/24 23:19 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
MAINT ? ?AT VMSPR6 ? VIA * ? ? ? ?07/19/24 23:24:18 EDT ? ? ?FRIDAY?
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 23:24:18 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
savesys cms ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
SYSTEM SAVED ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.03 23:24:26 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??

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It's been too long and I can't remember how to address this issue but I think the answer is doing a SAVESYS.

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When I log onto CMSUSER, the user machine is unresponsive but will answer to CP commands.? It doesn't like to IPL CMS!

?

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Looking for a manual or a little help. . .

 

Hello,?
I'm needing a manual for 5664-167, 'CP System Command Reference SC24-5402', - OR - a solution.
?
I stumbled upon a process to rebuild CP and was successful in assembling DMKSYS and DMKRIO using 'VMFFASM DMKxxx 5664167E' followed by 'VMFBLD 5664167E' (CP).
?
I added two modules to MAINT's 190 disk and now I'm getting the ''shared S-stat message' logging on to CMSUSER.
?
If I issue?
'VMFBLD 5664167E' (CMS) I get
.
.
.
DMSBLD1851I Processing DMS5JC ?with the part handler GENSERVE EXEC.?
DMSWGS3056I Processing started for: DMS5QE. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
DMSBLD1851I Processing DMS5JD ?with the part handler GENSERVE EXEC.?
DMSWGS3056I Processing started for: DMS4HZ. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
DMSBLD1851I Processing DMS5JG ?with the part handler GENSERVE EXEC.?
DMSWGS3056I Processing started for: DMS5PR. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
DMSBLD1851I Processing CPYSDSK ?with the part handler VMFBDCPY EXEC.
DMSBLD1851I Processing CMSLOAD ?with the part handler VMFBDNUC EXEC.
SYSTEM LOAD DECK COMPLETE ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
PUN FILE 0054 ?TO ?MAINT ? ?COPY 001 ? NOHOLD ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
DMSINQ082E IPL device error; reenter ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
DMSINQ608R IPL device address =
(press Enter)? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
VM/SP Release 6 07/19/24 23:19 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
MAINT ? ?AT VMSPR6 ? VIA * ? ? ? ?07/19/24 23:24:18 EDT ? ? ?FRIDAY?
Ready; T=0.01/0.01 23:24:18 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
savesys cms ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
SYSTEM SAVED ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
Ready; T=0.01/0.03 23:24:26 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
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It's been too long and I can't remember how to address this issue but I think the answer is doing a SAVESYS.
?
When I log onto CMSUSER, the user machine is unresponsive but will answer to CP commands.? It doesn't like to IPL CMS!
?
?
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Re: Anyone have experience in extending VM/CE under Hercules worldwide?

 

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For auto tape mounts (and other Operator requests), I would look at the 'AutoMount' member of the Waterloo Mods Tapes. This predates even VMCF and I would look to update it to use VMCF. I don't think you need to take it as far as IUCV. If Hercules Automated Operator (HAO) can grab some messages from an authorized SVM (autoop), then requested items can be mounted, autoop notified and item verification can be done before handing the item off to the requestor.

Tom Kern

On 7/19/2024 10:12 AM, Mark A. Stevens via groups.io wrote:

* Extend printers to their computer and local printers. ?Thought is the HercPRT program.
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There is also virtual1403 on Github.
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* Is there an auto tape mount feature?
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Someone on the Discord channel I have mentioned before, was working on such a thing. Don't know the status.
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A lot of what you are asking for seemed to depend on IUVC, which showed up in SP 3.
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31-bit would pretty much be a total rewrite of VM (VM/XA).
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Again, this is all from memory. Forgive the errors, and please ask questions.
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?... Mark S.
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Re: Anyone have experience in extending VM/CE under Hercules worldwide?

 

* Extend printers to their computer and local printers. ?Thought is the HercPRT program.
?
There is also virtual1403 on Github.
?
* Is there an auto tape mount feature?
?
Someone on the Discord channel I have mentioned before, was working on such a thing. Don't know the status.
?
A lot of what you are asking for seemed to depend on IUVC, which showed up in SP 3.
?
31-bit would pretty much be a total rewrite of VM (VM/XA).
?
Again, this is all from memory. Forgive the errors, and please ask questions.
?
?... Mark S.
Re: Is it possible to start VM/CE unattended?

 

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 09:18 AM, Bertram Moshier wrote:
The situation is I am making my system available to friends around the world, They will be using WC3270 (or similar) to connect and log into their account(s) on my VM/CE system.

The problem is Windows restarts without giving Hercules and its operating systems a chance to shutdown properly. I don't want to have my friends waiting till I come and type in the spool file disposition (e.g., CKPT, COLD, FORCE,etc.).

I'm wondering is it possible to have REXX in Hercules handle this situation? (Look at VM's message and input a response till VM starts.) If yes, how?
Moshix on Youtube has videos about numerous IT things. He also has systems, I believe some can log into, so he's got experience with this.
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You could also explore, besides the other suggestions, use of DIAG8 in Hercules, as it allows some communication with the OS running on it, and the OS it runs on, if I remember correctly.
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I sent you an invitation to a Discord group which has a bunch of old and new mainframers with all kinds of experience, which may prove useful. Anyone else wanting such an invitation, DM me. The invite expires 7 days after issuance.
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Hercules Automated Operator (HAO) exists, and can invoke scripts based on Hercules messages it sees.

I'm not near my system, so this is all from memory. Forgive the errors.
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?... Mark S.
Re: AUTOLOG1 191 disk

 

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I have no idea, but PROFILE AUTOEXEC is never used.

Dave

On 16/07/2024 16:54, Doug Wegscheid via groups.io wrote:

On VM/CE 1.2, why does the AUTOLOG1 191 disk have a PROFILE AUTOEXEC and a PROFILE EXEC. It looks like the former is a abbreviated one?
AUTOLOG1 191 disk

 

On VM/CE 1.2, why does the AUTOLOG1 191 disk have a PROFILE AUTOEXEC and a PROFILE EXEC. It looks like the former is a abbreviated one?
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