Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 07:11 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:

Assembler F and XF are indeed completely different programs. For whatever reasons, IBM appears to have written XF to the same specs as F, but from scratch. There are a few minor new features, and the code is reentrant (whoop-de-do), but that's it. That notwithstanding that the vastly superior Assembler H already existed.

Remember, the suffixes for various products is not based on function level but how much (real) memory it needed; this was an era when the IBM S/360 65 maxed out at 1 MB core of fast core.? Even the S/370 model 165 was originally offered with only up to 3 MB of core.? (The way Hercules users can run MVT on a uniprocessor with 16 MB of cheap real memory was a fantasy in 1971.)

Quoting Wikipedia:

Between 1966 and 1968, IBM offered several FORTRAN IV compilers for its System/360, each named by letters that indicated the minimum amount of memory the compiler needed to run. The letters (F, G, H) matched the codes used with System/360 model numbers to indicate memory size, each letter increment being a factor of two larger:?

1966 : FORTRAN IV F for DOS/360 (64K bytes)

1966 : FORTRAN IV G for OS/360 (128K bytes)

1968 : FORTRAN IV H for OS/360 (256K bytes)

Function was certainly related to how much memory was needed, but (re)writing an F level component when the H component existed made perfect sense if the F level component needed a quarter of the??(expensive)?memory.

Weird but true.?

No, just pragmatic.

-ahd-

-- 
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Software Hobbit (SRE Emeritus)

Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF

#5401

I would like to second Eddy Balem's plug of Harold Grovesteen's most excellent SATK/ASMA product:

  * 

As Harold already knows, I'm his biggest fan. It's a *very* nice, well written product that allows you quickly and easily write stand alone programs in an assembler that is virtually identical to IBM's (there are some differences but they're minor IMO), and, as Ed said, produces output that is usable on virtually any/all IBM operating systems in existence (including, I might add, not just legacy ones like VM/370, DOS/VS, etc, but also modern ones too like z/OS and z/VM).

I use it all the time to write test cases for Hercules. Just take a look at Hercules's "test" subdirectory and you'll see.

If anyone is interested in playing around with or learning mainframe assembler without the hassle of needing an operating system to do so, I would *highly recommend* that you give it a try! Harold and/or myself will gladly provide you with whatever help you might need to get started with it.

-- 
"Fish" (David B. Trout)
Software Development Laboratories

mail: fish@...

Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF

#5400

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 04:45 AM, Harold Grovesteen wrote:

And do not forget the assembler that comes with SATK, also called ASMA it appears.

Can't forget what I didn't know. Thank you very much. I will add it to the ever growing list of things-to-do.

?... Mark S.

Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF

#5399

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 03:42 AM, Dave Wade wrote:

It looks like someone re-worked the source for ASMG here:

I've been 'collecting' various 'versions' to see what is different, as the very first version I got, from a CBT tape some years ago, differs from what is out there now.

?... Mark S.

Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF

#5398

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 09:11 PM, Tony Harminc wrote:

Assembler F and XF are indeed completely different programs. For whatever reasons, IBM appears to have written XF to the same specs as F, but from scratch. There are a few minor new features, and the code is reentrant (whoop-de-do), but that's it. That notwithstanding that the vastly superior Assembler H already existed. Weird but true.?

Thank you very much for the history lesson. I read somewhere that G was written because of limitations in F, but I don't remember what those all were.

Installing G on VM/370 is necessarily needed, but I am learning a lot along the way, and that makes it worth it for me.

?... Mark S.

Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF

#5397

On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 06:36 AM, Jay Maynard wrote:

Would it be feasible to expand G into full H compatibility? AIUI, H started out as IBM's version of G...

I believe it would from the code I have been living with. There are modules that support the following instruction sets This is why I have been trying to get this installed, as I believe it could be extended to other architectures.? The following is from V2L7_ASMG_University_of_Waterloo_Assembler_G_Usage_Guide_10th_ed_197606.pdf I found at https://ia902302.us.archive.org/19/items/bitsavers_univOfWateityofWaterlooAssemblerGUsageGuide10thed1_5575394/V2L7_ASMG_University_of_Waterloo_Assembler_G_Usage_Guide_10th_ed_197606.pdf

INSTset= (ISet=)? The instruction set which the assembler recognizes
????????????????? is set by this parameter.? See appendix B for the
????????????????? total OP-CODE table. The default is INSTSET=l, an
????????????????? alias for IS=70.

IS=0????????????? Instruction set compatible with OS Assembler (F).
IS=9????????????? Instruction set compatible with DOS Assembler (F).
IS=20???????????? Same as IS=60 except all non model 20 instructions
????????????????? removed and the model 20 only instructions added.
IS=44???????????? Same as IS=20 except oriented toward the model 44.
IS=60???????????? Sallie as OS Assembler (F)? except that the extended
????????????????? branch conditional register? mneaonics are added
????????????????? and all 370 instructions are removed.
IS=67???????????? Same as IS=20 except oriented toward the model 67.
IS=70???????????? Same as OS Assembler (F)? except that the extended
????????????????? branch condition register mnemonics are added.
IS=71???????????? Same as 18=70 with VM/cp instructions added.

Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF

#5396

I would add, regarding ASMA, that the .OBJ object code generated is (in my experience) 100% compatible with IBM object decks, except that it does not include RLD information.
This means it should be usable in VM/CMS,DOS or DOS/VS provided you either determine its load address at assembly time, or write the code to be self-relocating.
If you are writing bare metal/standalone programs it gives you full access to 390 and z/arch instructions without using assemblers designed for 24-bit architecture.

Eddy Balem

Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF

#5395

I hadn't realized that IBM rewrote F into XF while H was already available. Interesting.

Would it be feasible to expand G into full H compatibility? AIUI, H started out as IBM's version of G...

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On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 9:11?PM Tony Harminc <tharminc@...> wrote:

On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 at 21:14, Mark A. Stevens via <marXtevens=[email protected]> wrote:
I am still trying, as I can find time, to get Assembler G installed on VM/370. I've run into an EXEC that mentions Assembler F as separate from Assembler XF.

Is that true/possible? I only find Assembler XF on MAINT 190.

Assembler F and XF are indeed completely different programs. For whatever reasons, IBM appears to have written XF to the same specs as F, but from scratch. There are a few minor new features, and the code is reentrant (whoop-de-do), but that's it. That notwithstanding that the vastly superior Assembler H already existed. Weird but true.?

H was always a chargeable Program Product, with source code available. There was a Version 2 of H, and that later morphed into the High Level Assembler - also not free, and also OCO.

Assembler G is Assembler F with a bunch of additions and optimizations, and a compile&go option for student use. It's from the University of Waterloo.

There is one more assembler - a version of XF used to assemble code for the 3705 and similarly architected comms controllers. I don't know if anyone has the source, but I think only the instruction tables and some parts of code generation would have to have been changed.

The module and message prefixes are:
F???????? IEU
G??????? ASMG
XF?????? IFO/IFN
H???????? IEV
HLASM ASMA
CWAX? CWA

Source code for all three free ones is around, though G source is probably the least reliable.

I know nothing about running G on VM/370, but I imagine it would run fine if invoked as an OS program. In other words I'm doubtful that there's an ASMG or the like command ready to go.

There are various other assemblers out there for S/370 up to zArch code. I know of two commercial cross-assemblers that run on Intel platforms, and there is also a unique interactive one in TSS/360 that seems to have a unique code base. And of course in the Linux world the standard assembler can generate s390x code, though the input syntax and output formats are both radically different.

Tony H.

--

Jay Maynard

Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF

#5394

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And do not forget the assembler that comes with SATK, also called ASMA it appears.

The SATK ASMA manual is at the doc/asma/ASMA.pdf in the github repository.

The syntax is extremely close to the legacy assemblers, a few additions.? The output is different but it works well for its targeted use with bare-metal programs on mainframes.? All instructions from the S/360 through the latest z PoO -13 are supported.

Harold Grovesteen

On 1/22/24 21:11, Tony Harminc wrote:

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On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 at 21:14, Mark A. Stevens via <marXtevens=[email protected]> wrote:

I am still trying, as I can find time, to get Assembler G installed on VM/370. I've run into an EXEC that mentions Assembler F as separate from Assembler XF.

Is that true/possible? I only find Assembler XF on MAINT 190.

Assembler F and XF are indeed completely different programs. For whatever reasons, IBM appears to have written XF to the same specs as F, but from scratch. There are a few minor new features, and the code is reentrant (whoop-de-do), but that's it. That notwithstanding that the vastly superior Assembler H already existed. Weird but true.?

H was always a chargeable Program Product, with source code available. There was a Version 2 of H, and that later morphed into the High Level Assembler - also not free, and also OCO.

Assembler G is Assembler F with a bunch of additions and optimizations, and a compile&go option for student use. It's from the University of Waterloo.

There is one more assembler - a version of XF used to assemble code for the 3705 and similarly architected comms controllers. I don't know if anyone has the source, but I think only the instruction tables and some parts of code generation would have to have been changed.

The module and message prefixes are:

F???????? IEU

G??????? ASMG

XF?????? IFO/IFN

H???????? IEV

HLASM ASMA

CWAX? CWA

Source code for all three free ones is around, though G source is probably the least reliable.

I know nothing about running G on VM/370, but I imagine it would run fine if invoked as an OS program. In other words I'm doubtful that there's an ASMG or the like command ready to go.

There are various other assemblers out there for S/370 up to zArch code. I know of two commercial cross-assemblers that run on Intel platforms, and there is also a unique interactive one in TSS/360 that seems to have a unique code base. And of course in the Linux world the standard assembler can generate s390x code, though the input syntax and output formats are both radically different.

Tony H.

Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF

#5393

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Mark,

To echo what Tony says, F and XF are different beasts. Basically, F was I think the pre MVS OS assembler, XF was distributed with MVS, VM and DOS. I have never seen “F” on VM.

I am sure I have had G running on VM because I tried it with GCC but gave up as it was no better.

If I get time I’ll see if I can find what I did.

?

It looks like someone re-worked the source for ASMG here:

?

there is also a note here:-

?

which suggests that despite untested assertions elsewhere XF is faster than G and that using option BUF(MAX) speeds it up somewhat more

?

Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark A. Stevens via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 2:14 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [h390-vm] VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF

?

I am still trying, as I can find time, to get Assembler G installed on VM/370. I've run into an EXEC that mentions Assembler F as separate from Assembler XF.

Is that true/possible? I only find Assembler XF on MAINT 190.

Thanks!

?... Mark S.

Re: VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF

#5392

On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 at 21:14, Mark A. Stevens via <marXtevens=[email protected]> wrote:

I am still trying, as I can find time, to get Assembler G installed on VM/370. I've run into an EXEC that mentions Assembler F as separate from Assembler XF.

Is that true/possible? I only find Assembler XF on MAINT 190.

Assembler F and XF are indeed completely different programs. For whatever reasons, IBM appears to have written XF to the same specs as F, but from scratch. There are a few minor new features, and the code is reentrant (whoop-de-do), but that's it. That notwithstanding that the vastly superior Assembler H already existed. Weird but true.?

H was always a chargeable Program Product, with source code available. There was a Version 2 of H, and that later morphed into the High Level Assembler - also not free, and also OCO.

Assembler G is Assembler F with a bunch of additions and optimizations, and a compile&go option for student use. It's from the University of Waterloo.

There is one more assembler - a version of XF used to assemble code for the 3705 and similarly architected comms controllers. I don't know if anyone has the source, but I think only the instruction tables and some parts of code generation would have to have been changed.

The module and message prefixes are:

F???????? IEU

G??????? ASMG

XF?????? IFO/IFN

H???????? IEV

HLASM ASMA

CWAX? CWA

Source code for all three free ones is around, though G source is probably the least reliable.

I know nothing about running G on VM/370, but I imagine it would run fine if invoked as an OS program. In other words I'm doubtful that there's an ASMG or the like command ready to go.

There are various other assemblers out there for S/370 up to zArch code. I know of two commercial cross-assemblers that run on Intel platforms, and there is also a unique interactive one in TSS/360 that seems to have a unique code base. And of course in the Linux world the standard assembler can generate s390x code, though the input syntax and output formats are both radically different.

Tony H.

VM/370 CE Assembler F, Assembler XF

#5391

I am still trying, as I can find time, to get Assembler G installed on VM/370. I've run into an EXEC that mentions Assembler F as separate from Assembler XF.

Is that true/possible? I only find Assembler XF on MAINT 190.

Thanks!

?... Mark S.

Re: VM37CE, Hercules and Windows 11

#5390

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 3:22?PM Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:

Normally it would come up on its own.
The reason you are seeing this is because it hasn’t been shutdown properly, because you have had issues bringing it up in the past.

Dave's right - if you want to preserve your SPOOL files (which can sometimes be recovered by a checkpoint start), and avoid the start prompt, don't just close Hercules.? Instead, issue a /SHUTDOWN command and wait for the "HHC00809I Processor CP00: disabled wait state 000A0000 00000008" message from Hercules.? CP will write the checkpoint data to disk before it loads the disabled wait.

Ross Patterson

VMer emeritus

Re: VM37CE, Hercules and Windows 11

#5389

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 1:39?PM Steve Shepherd <cityarchitect@...> wrote:

All the videos I've seen of this startup have been automatic all the way the the VM/370 Logo; they are all using secret scripts ;-)

OK, so here's some more explanation of the magic :-)

/18:32:35 AUTO LOGON? ?***? ?OPERATOR USERS = 001? BY? SYSTEM? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Once the SPOOL has been recovered or cleared, the system operator userid (specified as SYSOPR SYSOPER= in DMKSYS ASSEMBLE) is automatically logged on (exactly as by the CP AUTOLOG command).

?

/18:32:35 FILES: 001 RDR,? NO PRT,? NO PUN? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

Those are total-system numbers - your entire SPOOL is one file, in some user's virtual card reader queue.

?

/18:32:35 ERROR RECORDING area full; run CPEREP? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

You can ignore this, unless you're going to call a CE for your virtual hardware :-)

HHC00009I RRR...RING...GGG!? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

CP writes "RRR...RING...GGG!" on the virtual machine's system console when the guest OS tries to ring the console bell.? Apparently Hercules does as well.

?

/18:32:35 AUTO LOGON? ?***? ?AUTOLOG1 USERS = 002? BY? OPERATOR? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

CP also AUTOLOGs the user AUTOLOG1, if it exists.? You'll find that the PROFILE EXEC on AUTOLOG's 191 disk does a few things to get your system running:

/18:32:36 AUTO LOGON? ?***? ?CPWATCH? USERS = 003? BY? AUTOLOG1? ? ?

/18:32:36 RDR? 00C DRAINED? ?SYSTEM? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:36 PUN? 00D DRAINED? ?SYSTEM? ?CLASS = P? ? ? SEP? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:36 PRT? 00E DRAINED? ?SYSTEM? ?CLASS = A? ? ? SEP? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:36 PRT? 00F DRAINED? ?SYSTEM? ?CLASS = A? ? ? SEP? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:36 AUTO LOGON? ?***? ?CMSBATCH USERS = 004? BY? AUTOLOG1? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:37 AUTO LOGON? ?***? ?WAKEUP? ?USERS = 005? BY? AUTOLOG1? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?

^^^ all of those things were done by that PROFILE EXEC.

?

Ross Patterson

VMer emeritus

Re: VM37CE, Hercules and Windows 11

#5388

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Steve,

Normally it would come up on its own.

The reason you are seeing this is because it hasn’t been shutdown properly, because you have had issues bringing it up in the past.

Dave

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Shepherd
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 6:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [h390-vm] VM37CE, Hercules and Windows 11

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Thank you Ross, simple as that! I have never used VM/370; never advanced further than DOS/VS in the 1970s.....

All the videos I've seen of this startup have been automatic all the way the the VM/370 Logo; they are all using secret scripts ;-)

/CKPT? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
HHC00107I Starting thread cckd_writer(), active=0, started=0, max=2? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
HHC00100I Thread id 00004838, prio 1, name 'cckd_writer thread 1' started? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:35 AUTO LOGON? ?***? ?OPERATOR USERS = 001? BY? SYSTEM? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/DMKCPI957I Storage size = 16384 K,? ?Nucleus = 336 K,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/? ? ? ? ? ?Dynamic Paging = 14788 K, Trace Table = 240 K,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/? ? ? ? ? ?Free Storage = 1020 K,? ? Virtual=Real = 00000 K? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:35 FILES: 001 RDR,? NO PRT,? NO PUN? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:35 ERROR RECORDING area full; run CPEREP? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
HHC00009I RRR...RING...GGG!? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:35 AUTO LOGON? ?***? ?AUTOLOG1 USERS = 002? BY? OPERATOR? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/DMKCPI966I Initialization complete? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:36 AUTO LOGON? ?***? ?CPWATCH? USERS = 003? BY? AUTOLOG1? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:36 RDR? 00C DRAINED? ?SYSTEM? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:36 PUN? 00D DRAINED? ?SYSTEM? ?CLASS = P? ? ? SEP? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:36 PRT? 00E DRAINED? ?SYSTEM? ?CLASS = A? ? ? SEP? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:36 PRT? 00F DRAINED? ?SYSTEM? ?CLASS = A? ? ? SEP? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:36 AUTO LOGON? ?***? ?CMSBATCH USERS = 004? BY? AUTOLOG1? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:37 AUTO LOGON? ?***? ?WAKEUP? ?USERS = 005? BY? AUTOLOG1? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:37? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
HHC00009I RRR...RING...GGG!? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/ WNG FROM AUTOLOG1:? AUTOLOG1 DONE - LOGGING OFF? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:37 USER DSC LOGOFF AS AUTOLOG1 USERS = 004? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
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Re: VM37CE, Hercules and Windows 11

#5387

Hi Steve,

well, it depends on whether CP can find valid warmstart data or not; when you carefully shut it down (when logged in as MAINT (or another properly privileged user) issue a SHUTDOWN) it will have a valid checkpoint and you will not see this message.

The next tip that will come in handy: when the terminals don't seem to come up: ENABLE ALL

best regards,

搁别苍é.

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On 22 Jan 2024, at 14:39, Steve Shepherd <cityarchitect@...> wrote:

Thank you Ross, simple as that! I have never used VM/370; never advanced further than DOS/VS in the 1970s.....

All the videos I've seen of this startup have been automatic all the way the the VM/370 Logo; they are all using secret scripts ;-)

Re: VM37CE, Hercules and Windows 11

#5386

Thank you Ross, simple as that! I have never used VM/370; never advanced further than DOS/VS in the 1970s.....

All the videos I've seen of this startup have been automatic all the way the the VM/370 Logo; they are all using secret scripts ;-)

/CKPT? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
HHC00107I Starting thread cckd_writer(), active=0, started=0, max=2? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
HHC00100I Thread id 00004838, prio 1, name 'cckd_writer thread 1' started? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:35 AUTO LOGON? ?***? ?OPERATOR USERS = 001? BY? SYSTEM? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/DMKCPI957I Storage size = 16384 K,? ?Nucleus = 336 K,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/? ? ? ? ? ?Dynamic Paging = 14788 K, Trace Table = 240 K,? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/? ? ? ? ? ?Free Storage = 1020 K,? ? Virtual=Real = 00000 K? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:35 FILES: 001 RDR,? NO PRT,? NO PUN? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:35 ERROR RECORDING area full; run CPEREP? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
HHC00009I RRR...RING...GGG!? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:35 AUTO LOGON? ?***? ?AUTOLOG1 USERS = 002? BY? OPERATOR? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/DMKCPI966I Initialization complete? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:36 AUTO LOGON? ?***? ?CPWATCH? USERS = 003? BY? AUTOLOG1? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:36 RDR? 00C DRAINED? ?SYSTEM? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:36 PUN? 00D DRAINED? ?SYSTEM? ?CLASS = P? ? ? SEP? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:36 PRT? 00E DRAINED? ?SYSTEM? ?CLASS = A? ? ? SEP? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:36 PRT? 00F DRAINED? ?SYSTEM? ?CLASS = A? ? ? SEP? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:36 AUTO LOGON? ?***? ?CMSBATCH USERS = 004? BY? AUTOLOG1? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:37 AUTO LOGON? ?***? ?WAKEUP? ?USERS = 005? BY? AUTOLOG1? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:37? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
HHC00009I RRR...RING...GGG!? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/ WNG FROM AUTOLOG1:? AUTOLOG1 DONE - LOGGING OFF? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/18:32:37 USER DSC LOGOFF AS AUTOLOG1 USERS = 004? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
herc =====>

Re: VM37CE, Hercules and Windows 11

#5385

On Mon, Jan 22, 2024 at 13:10 Steve Shepherd <cityarchitect@...> wrote:

/10:20:10? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
HHC00009I RRR...RING...GGG!? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CKPT) (DRain) (DIsable) (NOAUTOlo)) or (SHUTDOWN): ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??

CP is waiting for your answer to this question.? Until you tell it how you want to start up, nothing else will happen, including enabling terminals.

Type your answer starting with a slash (which tells Hercules that the line is input for the OS, not a Hercules command).? Since the WARM start already failed, I'd try /CKPT first, to try to save the SPOOL files, and if it fails, then /COLD, to start with an empty SPOOL.

After CP starts up, your /ENABLE ALL will throw a VM logo up on your WC3270 session, and you can log in.

Ross Patterson?

VMer emeritus?

Re: VM37CE, Hercules and Windows 11

#5384

Hello Dave, Thanks for responding.

Either by running "Vm3270CE" from the command prompt, or double clicking from the File Explorer I get the following:

HHC00100I Thread id 00002958, prio 5, name 'impl_thread' started

HHC00100I Thread id 00003974, prio 4, name 'logger_thread' started

HHC01413I Hercules version 4.6.0.10941-SDL-g65c97fd6

HHC01417I ** The SDL 4.x Hyperion version of Hercules **

HHC01415I Build date: Jun? 8 2023 at 15:48:12

HHC01413I Hercules version 4.6.0.10941-SDL-g65c97fd6

HHC01417I ** The SDL 4.x Hyperion version of Hercules **

HHC01415I Build date: Jun? 8 2023 at 15:48:12

HHC01417I Built with: Microsoft Visual Studio 2008 (MSVC 150030729 1)

HHC01417I Build type: Windows MSVC AMD64 host architecture build

HHC01417I Modes: S/370 ESA/390 z/Arch

HHC01417I Max CPU Engines: 64

HHC01417I Using? ?shared libraries

HHC01417I Using? ?Fish threads Threading Model

HHC01417I Using? ?Error-Checking Mutex Locking Model

HHC01417I With? ? Shared Devices support

HHC01417I With? ? Dynamic loading support

HHC01417I With? ? External GUI support

HHC01417I With? ? Partial TCP keepalive support

HHC01417I With? ? IPV6 support

HHC01417I With? ? HTTP Server support

HHC01417I With? ? sqrtl support

HHC01417I With? ? Signal handling

HHC01417I With? ? Watchdog monitoring

HHC01417I With? ? CCKD BZIP2 support

HHC01417I With? ? HET BZIP2 support

HHC01417I With? ? ZLIB support

HHC01417I With? ? Regular Expressions support

HHC01417I With? ? Object REXX support

HHC01417I Without Regina REXX support

HHC01417I With? ? Automatic Operator support

HHC01417I Without National Language Support

HHC01417I With? ? CCKD64 Support

HHC01417I With? ? Transactional-Execution Facility support

HHC01417I With? ? "Optimized" instructions

HHC01417I With? ? OPTION_USE_SKAIP_AS_LOCK

HHC01417I With? ? OPTION_SIE2BK_FLD_COPY

HHC01417I Machine dependent assists: cmpxchg1 cmpxchg4 cmpxchg8 cmpxchg16 hatomics=msvcIntrinsics

HHC01417I Running on: DESKTOP-1BSF2RE (Windows-6.2.9200 AMD(R) x64) LP=16, Cores=8, CPUs=1

HHC01417I Built with crypto external package version 1.0.0.52-ga5096e5

HHC01417I Built with decNumber external package version 3.68.0.102-g3aa2f45

HHC01417I Built with SoftFloat external package version 3.5.0.105-g4b0c326

HHC01417I Built with telnet external package version 1.0.0.63-g729f0b6

HHC00018W Hercules is NOT running in elevated mode

HHC00007I Previous message from function 'impl' at impl.c(1192)

HHC02323W This build of Hercules has only partial TCP keepalive support

HHC00007I Previous message from function 'impl' at impl.c(1238)

HHC00151I Activated facility: Message Security Assist

HHC00151I Activated facility: Message Security Assist Extension 1, 2, 3 and 4

HHC17531W REXX(OORexx) dlopen 'rexx.dll' failed: The specified module could not be found.

HHC00007I Previous message from function 'OORexxLoad' at hRexxapi.c(1340)

HHC17511E REXX() Could not enable either Rexx package

HHC00007I Previous message from function 'Enable' at hRexx.c(515)

HHC17511E REXX() Could not enable default Rexx package

HHC00007I Previous message from function 'InitializeRexx' at hRexx.c(262)

HHC17500I REXX() Mode? ? ? ? ? ? : Command

HHC17500I REXX() MsgLevel? ? ? ? : Off

HHC17500I REXX() MsgPrefix? ? ? ?: Off

HHC17500I REXX() ErrPrefix? ? ? ?: Off

HHC17500I REXX() Resolver? ? ? ? : On

HHC17500I REXX() SysPath? ? (68) : On

HHC17500I REXX() RexxPath? ?( 0) :

HHC17500I REXX() Extensions ( 8) : .REXX;.rexx;.REX;.rex;.CMD;.cmd;.RX;.rx

HHC00111I Thread CPU Time IS available (_POSIX_THREAD_CPUTIME=1)

HHC00100I Thread id 00001644, prio 2, name 'Processor CP00' started

HHC00811I Processor CP00: architecture mode z/Arch

HHC00100I Thread id 00000af8, prio 7, name 'timer_thread' started

HHC00811I Processor CP00: architecture mode S/370

HHC02204I ARCHLVL? ? ? ? set to S/370

HHC02204I LPARNUM? ? ? ? set to BASIC

HHC02204I CNSLPORT? ? ? ?set to 3270

HHC01474I Using internal codepage conversion table 819/1047

HHC02204I CPUMODEL? ? ? ?set to 4381

HHC02204I CPUSERIAL? ? ? set to 098052

HHC02204I DIAG8CMD? ? ? ?set to DISABLE? NOECHO

HHC02204I ECPSVM? ? ? ? ?set to enabled, trap support enabled

HHC17003I MAIN? ? ?storage is 16M (mainsize); storage is not locked

HHC02204I NUMCPU? ? ? ? ?set to 1

HHC02256W Command 'PANTITLE' is deprecated; use PANOPT TITLE=xxx instead

HHC00007I Previous message from function 'pantitle_cmd' at hsccmd.c(4686)

HHC02204I PANTITLE? ? ? ?set to VM370CE 1.1.2

HHC17003I EXPANDED storage is 0 (xpndsize); storage is not locked

HHC00100I Thread id 00003330, prio 4, name 'console_connect' started

HHC01024I Waiting for console connections on port 3270

HHC05063I 0:0500 CTCE: Awaiting inbound connection :30882 <- 0:0000=127.0.0.1:30880/*

HHC00414I 0:06A0 CCKD file disks/gccbrx.cckd: model 3350 cyls 555 heads 30 tracks 16650 trklen 19456

HHC00403I 0:06A1 CCKD file disks/vm50-1.cckd: opened r/o

HHC00414I 0:06A1 CCKD file disks/vm50-1.cckd: model 3350 cyls 555 heads 30 tracks 16650 trklen 19456

HHC00403I 0:06A2 CCKD file disks/vm50-2.cckd: opened r/o

HHC00100I Thread id 00004518, prio 4, name 'cckd_ra thread 1' started? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? +
HHC00107I Starting thread cckd_ra() from cckd_ra(), active=1, started=1, max=2? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
HHC00100I Thread id 000045b8, prio 4, name 'cckd_ra thread 2' started? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/
/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/VM/370 Community Edition Version? 1 Release? 1.2 07/19/22 13:20:46? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/Now 10:20:10 GMT MONDAY 01/22/24? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/DMKCPI971I System is Uniprocessor generated? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/DMKCPI977I Free Trap Installed? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/DMKUDR476I System Directory loaded from volume VM50-1? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/10:20:10? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
HHC00009I RRR...RING...GGG!? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/DMKWRM920I NO WARM START DATA; CKPT START FOR RETRY? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/10:20:10? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
HHC00009I RRR...RING...GGG!? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CKPT) (DRain) (DIsable) (NOAUTOlo)) or (SHUTDOWN):? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
HHC05065I 0:0500 CTCE: Attempt outbound connection :30882 -> 0:0000=127.0.0.1:30880? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
HHC02263I Script 1: processing resumed...? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/enable all? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
HHC02264I Script 1: file hercules.rc processing ended? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
/Start ((Warm|Force|COLD|CKPT) (DRain) (DIsable) (NOAUTOlo)) or (SHUTDOWN):? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
herc =====>

Steve

Re: VM37CE, Hercules and Windows 11

#5383

开云体育

Steve,

When you say “ran the batch file” was this from a CMD prompt or clicking from a file explorer window?

Can you post a screen shot? If you just type “Hercules” on the command line before running vm370ce.cmd what happens

Dave

?

Show quoted text

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steve Shepherd
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2024 10:13 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [h390-vm] VM37CE, Hercules and Windows 11

?

Hello,

I've downloaded VM370CE 1.1.2 onto my Windows 11 (Pro Insider Review). I already had Hercules 3.0.7 (64 bit) installed.

In the VM370CE directory I ran the batch file "vm370ce" and as expected Hercules started and a WC3270 terminal opened but was unresponsive.

Youtube demos seem to show lots of? messages that end with a display of devices in CP??

Mine doesn't seem to get very far, runs to the end of the script and prompts for Start Command parameters.

Thinking this was a Hercules/Hyperion thing, I installed both Hercules 4.4.0 and 4.7.0 set Paths accordingly, rebooted and reran the Vm3270CE startup again, but with similar results.

It there something obvious I'm doing wrong here? Is there a video somewhere (I haven't found one) that demonstrates a simple startup?

Thanks,

Steve