Re: MVS under VM/370 and 3390 DASD
Hi Daniel, The setup provided on VMCE is for TK4, and you are using the newer TK5.? I don't use mvs here so I don't keep up with those changes. The disks seem to have been rearranged, and it looks like you have adapted.? Bob Bolch
On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 8:56?PM Daniel L. Srebnick via <dan= [email protected]> wrote: Hi Bob:
From my hercules.conf:
#
# TK5 DASD
#
0390 3390 mvs/dasd/tk5res.390
0391 3390 mvs/dasd/tk5cat.391
0392 3390 mvs/dasd/tk5dlb.392
0380 3380 mvs/dasd/int001.380
0190 3390 mvs/dasd/tso001.190
0191 3390 mvs/dasd/tso002.191
0192 3390 mvs/dasd/tso003.192
0248 3350 mvs/dasd/page00.248
0249 3350 mvs/dasd/spool0.249
0290 3390 mvs/dasd/work01.290
0291 3390 mvs/dasd/work02.291
0292 3390 mvs/dasd/work03.292
0293 3390 mvs/dasd/work04.293
0298 3390 mvs/dasd/tk5001.298
0299 3390 mvs/dasd/tk5002.299
0340 3350 mvs/dasd/cbt000.340
0341 3350 mvs/dasd/cbt001.341
0342 3350 mvs/dasd/cbt002.342
From the Hercules startup, here's confirmation that Hercules sees the 3390s:
HHC00414I 0:0390 CCKD file mvs/dasd/tk5res.390: model 3390 cyls 1114 heads 15 tracks 16710 trklen 56832
HHC00414I 0:0391 CCKD file mvs/dasd/tk5cat.391: model 3390 cyls 1114 heads 15 tracks 16710 trklen 56832
HHC00414I 0:0392 CCKD file mvs/dasd/tk5dlb.392: model 3390 cyls 1114 heads 15 tracks 16710 trklen 56832
From my USER DIRECT file:
USER MVS MVS 8M 16M G?????????? ?
?OPTION ECMODE VIRT=REAL STFIRST
?IPL 390??????????????????????? ?
?CONSOLE 009 3215?????????????? ?
?SPOOL 00C 2540 READER *??????? ?
?SPOOL 00D 2540 PUNCH A???????? ?
?SPOOL 00E 1403 A?????????????? ?
?SPOOL 00F 1403 A?????????????? ?
?SPOOL 30E 1403 A?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 390 390?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 391 391?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 392 392?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 380 380?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 190 190?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 191 191?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 192 192?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 248 248?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 249 249?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 290 290?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 291 291?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 292 292?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 293 293?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 298 298?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 299 299?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 340 340?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 341 341?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 342 342?????????????? ?
? SPECIAL? 0C0 3270???????????? ?
? SPECIAL? 0C1 3270???????????? ?
? SPECIAL? 0C2 3270???????????? ?
? SPECIAL? 0C3 3270???????????? ?
? SPECIAL? 0C4 3270???????????? ?
? SPECIAL? 0C5 3270???????????? ?
? SPECIAL? 0C6 3270???????????? ?
? SPECIAL? 0C7 3270?????????????
When I logon to MVS:
LOGON MVS
ENTER PASSWORD:
?
STORAGE IS VIRTUAL=REAL
DMKLOG090E DEV 390 NOT DEFINED; DEV 390 NOT AVAILABLE
DMKLOG090E DEV 391 NOT DEFINED; DEV 391 NOT AVAILABLE
DMKLOG090E DEV 392 NOT DEFINED; DEV 392 NOT AVAILABLE
LOGON AT 00:48:07 GMT SUNDAY 11/26/23
DEV 390 DOES NOT EXIST
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Re: MVS under VM/370 and 3390 DASD
On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 08:58 PM, Daniel L. Srebnick wrote:
Are there suggested performance tuning steps that I ought to take?? I'm already running with VIRTUAL=REAL.
I am afraid I can't help you here. I have the same configuration as you and the execution times are slower but reasonable, yet this for the little use I have. :-(? I rarely run TK5 under VM/370. Cheers, Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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Re: MVS under VM/370 and 3390 DASD
Rene:
Thank you.? This did for work me.
MVS is extremely slow.? An assembler complie, link and go job that takes 3 seconds under native MVS takes 28 seconds under MVS as a VM guest.
Are there suggested performance tuning steps that I ought to take?? I'm already running with VIRTUAL=REAL.
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Re: MVS under VM/370 and 3390 DASD
On Sat, Nov 25, 2023 at 03:23 PM, Daniel L. Srebnick wrote:
Is there a workaround or a process to make this happen?
Here's my workaround. Use
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09A0 3390 mvs/dasd/tk5res.390
09A1 3390 mvs/dasd/tk5cat.391
09A2 3390 mvs/dasd/tk5dlb.392
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in the Hercules configuration file, and change the DEDICATE of MVS accordingly:
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DEDICATE 390 9A0? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
DEDICATE 391 9A1? ? ? ? ? ? ? ??
DEDICATE 392 9A2
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Then again, this is just a workaround. I don't know why CP seems to "recognized" the presence of devices on the cuu 190's and 290's but not on? 390's.
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Cheers,
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Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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Re: MVS under VM/370 and 3390 DASD
Hi Bob:
From my hercules.conf:
#
# TK5 DASD
#
0390 3390 mvs/dasd/tk5res.390
0391 3390 mvs/dasd/tk5cat.391
0392 3390 mvs/dasd/tk5dlb.392
0380 3380 mvs/dasd/int001.380
0190 3390 mvs/dasd/tso001.190
0191 3390 mvs/dasd/tso002.191
0192 3390 mvs/dasd/tso003.192
0248 3350 mvs/dasd/page00.248
0249 3350 mvs/dasd/spool0.249
0290 3390 mvs/dasd/work01.290
0291 3390 mvs/dasd/work02.291
0292 3390 mvs/dasd/work03.292
0293 3390 mvs/dasd/work04.293
0298 3390 mvs/dasd/tk5001.298
0299 3390 mvs/dasd/tk5002.299
0340 3350 mvs/dasd/cbt000.340
0341 3350 mvs/dasd/cbt001.341
0342 3350 mvs/dasd/cbt002.342
From the Hercules startup, here's confirmation that Hercules sees the 3390s:
HHC00414I 0:0390 CCKD file mvs/dasd/tk5res.390: model 3390 cyls 1114 heads 15 tracks 16710 trklen 56832
HHC00414I 0:0391 CCKD file mvs/dasd/tk5cat.391: model 3390 cyls 1114 heads 15 tracks 16710 trklen 56832
HHC00414I 0:0392 CCKD file mvs/dasd/tk5dlb.392: model 3390 cyls 1114 heads 15 tracks 16710 trklen 56832
From my USER DIRECT file:
USER MVS MVS 8M 16M G?????????? ?
?OPTION ECMODE VIRT=REAL STFIRST
?IPL 390??????????????????????? ?
?CONSOLE 009 3215?????????????? ?
?SPOOL 00C 2540 READER *??????? ?
?SPOOL 00D 2540 PUNCH A???????? ?
?SPOOL 00E 1403 A?????????????? ?
?SPOOL 00F 1403 A?????????????? ?
?SPOOL 30E 1403 A?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 390 390?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 391 391?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 392 392?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 380 380?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 190 190?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 191 191?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 192 192?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 248 248?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 249 249?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 290 290?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 291 291?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 292 292?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 293 293?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 298 298?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 299 299?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 340 340?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 341 341?????????????? ?
?DEDICATE 342 342?????????????? ?
? SPECIAL? 0C0 3270???????????? ?
? SPECIAL? 0C1 3270???????????? ?
? SPECIAL? 0C2 3270???????????? ?
? SPECIAL? 0C3 3270???????????? ?
? SPECIAL? 0C4 3270???????????? ?
? SPECIAL? 0C5 3270???????????? ?
? SPECIAL? 0C6 3270???????????? ?
? SPECIAL? 0C7 3270?????????????
When I logon to MVS:
LOGON MVS
ENTER PASSWORD:
?
STORAGE IS VIRTUAL=REAL
DMKLOG090E DEV 390 NOT DEFINED; DEV 390 NOT AVAILABLE
DMKLOG090E DEV 391 NOT DEFINED; DEV 391 NOT AVAILABLE
DMKLOG090E DEV 392 NOT DEFINED; DEV 392 NOT AVAILABLE
LOGON AT 00:48:07 GMT SUNDAY 11/26/23
DEV 390 DOES NOT EXIST
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Re: MVS under VM/370 and 3390 DASD
Hi Daniel,
The VMCE release has an MVS directory entry definition in place for the latest version of a TK5 system. It uses DASD defined as "unsupported by VM" for the 3390 MVS disks. If you have modified any MVS disk addresses, we have to make adjustments.? Show us the VM Hercules config file, the MVS disk addresses, and the MVS directory entry in the USER DIRECT file if you need more assistance.
Bob Bolch
Hello:
I'd like to be able to IPL my MVS TK5 under VM/370 (running Community Edition 1.2).? The main challenge is that the IPL pack is a 3390.
They're not beeing seen (devices 390, 391 and 392) by my MVS VM despite the DIRECT mappings in the directory.
Is there a workaround or a process to make this happen?
Many thanks in advance.
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MVS under VM/370 and 3390 DASD
Hello:
I'd like to be able to IPL my MVS TK5 under VM/370 (running Community Edition 1.2).? The main challenge is that the IPL pack is a 3390.
They're not beeing seen (devices 390, 391 and 392) by my MVS VM despite the DIRECT mappings in the directory.
Is there a workaround or a process to make this happen?
Many thanks in advance.
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Re: Managing Host ID on VM370CE
On Thu, Aug 24, 2023 at 11:29 AM, Dave Wade wrote:
I think you have missed one thing. The whole point of the CPUID? in the SYSTEM NETID is that you can have the same VM IPLd on multiple different hardware systems.
The IDENTIFY command then matches the CPU serial number to that of the processor and reports i
Dave
Are there limitations on the SYSTEM or NET ID? Like Alphanumeric only? Or are some special characters allowed? I realize I might be a special character that's not allowed ;-) ?... Mark S.
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Make sure you are running a recent X3270 (on whatever platform).? The latest dev version is v4.4.pre1, but you only need 4.3.
That version includes the ability to make your font larger or smaller (like a browser), per https://github.com/pmattes/x3270/issues/60.
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Mark, Very odd. I seem to get re-directed from wx3270 to Wx3270… … I hope it works ? Dave ?
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Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Problems with W3270? On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 10:50 AM, Dave Wade wrote:
Dave,
There doesn't seem to be anything there. If I use 'wx3270' then I get text, but no pictures.
In any case I've downloaded the files and will try to test them ASAP.
?... Mark S.
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On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 10:50 AM, Dave Wade wrote:
https://x3270.miraheze.org/wiki/Wx3270
Dave, There doesn't seem to be anything there. If I use 'wx3270' then I get text, but no pictures. In any case I've downloaded the files and will try to test them ASAP. ?... Mark S.
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On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 08:54 PM, Bertram Moshier wrote:
What is session wizard?
The executable is called wc3270wiz.exe and can be found in the directory you unpacked/installed the other *3270 programs into. I use it and like it, so a shortcut sits on my desktop. It creates configuration files for your *3270 terminal sessions and can put shortcuts to those on your desktop. Do not try to edit the configuration files manually, as the program encodes everything into a hex table at the end of the file. Any other questions? Ask! ?... Mark S.
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If you want to change the font, you have to change X resources definition (run xfontsel to see set of fonts, but without TrueType). If you want change size in rows/columns, use oversize parameter.?
Session wizard in for wc3270 (on windows).?
Piotr
Hello,
What is session wizard?
Thank you
On Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 20:11 Mark A. Stevens via <marXtevens= [email protected]> wrote: On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 02:34 AM, Bertram Moshier wrote:
I found resizing the window fails, as well as trrying to find a method to size the font.
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How do I obtainn a larger window (e.g. size of a real 327X devixe)?? I have large monitors (2560x1600, 3850x2160, and 5120x1440).
So you want a larger font, which creates a bigger window, or a bigger window that then uses a larger font?
To get a bigger font, use the Session Wizard to edit your terminal session profile, option #25. Font Size. That will cause you to have a bigger window.
To get a bigger window, drag a corner to the new size, and the application should use a font size appropriate for that new window, though it won't fit precisely.
Does that help?
?... Mark S.
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Hello,
What is session wizard?
Thank you
On Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 20:11 Mark A. Stevens via <marXtevens= [email protected]> wrote: On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 02:34 AM, Bertram Moshier wrote:
I found resizing the window fails, as well as trrying to find a method to size the font.
?
How do I obtainn a larger window (e.g. size of a real 327X devixe)?? I have large monitors (2560x1600, 3850x2160, and 5120x1440).
So you want a larger font, which creates a bigger window, or a bigger window that then uses a larger font?
To get a bigger font, use the Session Wizard to edit your terminal session profile, option #25. Font Size. That will cause you to have a bigger window.
To get a bigger window, drag a corner to the new size, and the application should use a font size appropriate for that new window, though it won't fit precisely.
Does that help?
?... Mark S.
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On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 02:34 AM, Bertram Moshier wrote:
I found resizing the window fails, as well as trrying to find a method to size the font.
?
How do I obtainn a larger window (e.g. size of a real 327X devixe)?? I have large monitors (2560x1600, 3850x2160, and 5120x1440).
So you want a larger font, which creates a bigger window, or a bigger window that then uses a larger font? To get a bigger font, use the Session Wizard to edit your terminal session profile, option #25. Font Size. That will cause you to have a bigger window. To get a bigger window, drag a corner to the new size, and the application should use a font size appropriate for that new window, though it won't fit precisely. Does that help? ?... Mark S.
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Oops. These are un-tested so let me know how they work. ? Dave ?
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Subject: [h390-vm] Problems with W3270? Folks, I have put some files to allow you to use wx3270 instead of wc3270 with vm/ce.. ? ? with vm/ce in the files section…. ? /g/h390-vm/files/wx3270%20for%20VMCE ? it includes some profiles for wx320 and a replacement vm370ce.cmd. ? To install download the wx3270 “no install” zip files from the above site and extract to a “wx3270” folder within your VM CE folder. Download the zip from groups.io. Put the “profiles” directory from this in your “wx3270” folder. Back up your existing “vm379ce.cmd” file and replace with the updated one from this folder. ? Dave
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Folks, I have put some files to allow you to use wx3270 instead of wc3270 with vm/ce.. ? ? with vm/ce in the files section…. ? /g/h390-vm/files/wx3270%20for%20VMCE ? it includes some profiles for wx320 and a replacement vm370ce.cmd. ? To install download the wx3270 “no install” zip files from the above site and extract to a “wx3270” folder within your VM CE folder. Download the zip from groups.io. Put the “profiles” directory from this in your “wx3270” folder. Back up your existing “vm379ce.cmd” file and replace with the updated one from this folder. ? Dave
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Bertram, I suspect you are using a newish windows, and they have totally messed up “cmd” shells in newer windows. I suggest you download the new “wx3270” client… ?
? and try that as your 3270 client. I did look at using this with VM CE but at that time it was only at beta. I will look at setting things up so it can be used instead of wx3270 Dave ?
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Subject: Re: [h390-vm] X3270 size? He'll Dave and thank you for your reply, Yeah, my mistake.? I meant WC3270. Ans Bertram, Not sure which 3270 client you are using on Windows. I have been using the WC3270 in the CE edition. If I start terminals from a CMD window they seem to inherit the font size from that session. Dave ? ? Hello, I've been having problems with VM usage because the X3270 screen is so small.? On real 327X devices the physical screen and thus the display is much larger than the X3270 window on Windows (and I assume Linux, too). I found resizing the window fails, as well as trrying to find a method to size the font. How do I obtainn a larger window (e.g. size of a real 327X devixe)?? I have large monitors (2560x1600, 3850x2160, and 5120x1440).
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Bertram, The official advice on the WC3270 FAQ is to create a desktop shortcut and set its properties, but its not working quite I expect.. Dave ?
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Subject: Re: [h390-vm] X3270 size? He'll Dave and thank you for your reply, Yeah, my mistake.? I meant WC3270. ? Bertram, Not sure which 3270 client you are using on Windows. I have been using the WC3270 in the CE edition. If I start terminals from a CMD window they seem to inherit the font size from that session. Dave ? ? Hello, I've been having problems with VM usage because the X3270 screen is so small.? On real 327X devices the physical screen and thus the display is much larger than the X3270 window on Windows (and I assume Linux, too). I found resizing the window fails, as well as trrying to find a method to size the font. How do I obtainn a larger window (e.g. size of a real 327X devixe)?? I have large monitors (2560x1600, 3850x2160, and 5120x1440).
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He'll Dave and thank you for your reply,
Yeah, my mistake.? I meant WC3270.
Bertram Moshier
Bertram, Not sure which 3270 client you are using on Windows. I have been using the WC3270 in the CE edition. If I start terminals from a CMD window they seem to inherit the font size from that session. Dave ? ? Hello, I've been having problems with VM usage because the X3270 screen is so small.? On real 327X devices the physical screen and thus the display is much larger than the X3270 window on Windows (and I assume Linux, too). I found resizing the window fails, as well as trrying to find a method to size the font. How do I obtainn a larger window (e.g. size of a real 327X devixe)?? I have large monitors (2560x1600, 3850x2160, and 5120x1440).
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René Ferland
Mark A. Stevens