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This group is for all folks running the original IBM VM/370 Release 6 operating system (or later (e.g. VMTCE (Community Edition)) on Hercules. Like the other early IBM operating systems this version has always been in the public domain and so can be freely distributed. The base version as supplied by IBM is lacking in many facilities. IBM solved this by providing additional extension products which were licensed and so are not available. There are however many user enhancements available which can be installed. In addition, in order to get users up and running quickly updated "releases" of VM/370 included the most popular updates are available for download, so novices can start to learn VM without having to delve into the system internals. It is intended that this wiki will provide information on the base release and these updates.
The available versions are here :-
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Re: VM/SP Release 5 at LCM+L (Living Computers: Museum + Labs)
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LOGON GUEST4??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? LOGMSG - 10:19:16 PDT WEDNESDAY 09/21/22??????????????????????????????????? ? * Welcome to the Living Computers: Museum + Labs IBM 4361, located????????? ? * in Seattle, Washington USA. The 4361 runs VM/SP 5, and is set to????????? ? * the local (Pacific) timezone.???????????????????????????????????????????? ? *?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? * Use DIRMAINT to set your password or account options. For help on???????? ? * DIRMAINT, enter: DIRM ??????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? *?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? * Spring has sprung in Seattle, and the VM/SP system is now on????????????? ? * Pacific Daylight Savings time???????????????????????????????????????????? ? *?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? * The LCM+L (including the physical IBM 4361) is shutdown. We've??????????? ? * gone virtual for now to bring you an emulated VM/SP 5 experience.???????? ? * (Comparisons to the Ship of Theseus may be appropriate.)????????????????? ? *?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? * For the full (previous) log messages, enter: CP QUERY LOGMSG????????????? ? FILES:? 004 RDR,?? NO PRT,?? NO PUN???????????????????????????????????????? ? RECONNECTED AT 12:06:57 PDT WEDNESDAY 09/21/22????????????????????????????? ? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? CP QUERY LOGMSG???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? * Welcome to the Living Computers: Museum + Labs IBM 4361, located????????? ? * in Seattle, Washington USA. The 4361 runs VM/SP 5, and is set to????????? ? * the local (Pacific) timezone.???????????????????????????????????????????? ? *?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? * Use DIRMAINT to set your password or account options. For help on???????? ? * DIRMAINT, enter: DIRM ??????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? *?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? * Spring has sprung in Seattle, and the VM/SP system is now on????????????? ? * Pacific Daylight Savings time???????????????????????????????????????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? 2021-11-11????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . "Winter is coming."? -- Eddard Stark????????????????????????????????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . VM/SP has been IPLed in the PST timezone for the winter months.?????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . Because the VM/SP environment has no physical unit record???????????????? ? . devices, the system profile has been changed so that the virtual????????? ? . printer and punch for each user now spool to back to their reader.??????? ? *?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? * The LCM+L (including the physical IBM 4361) is shutdown. We've??????????? ? * gone virtual for now to bring you an emulated VM/SP 5 experience.???????? ? * (Comparisons to the Ship of Theseus may be appropriate.)????????????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? 2020-05-11????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . APL\360 is now installed thanks to Bob Bolsh. Use an APL-enabled????????? ? . terminal emulator and run APL360. ("x3270 -efont 3270 -apl"?????????????? ? . does nicely.)???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? 2020-05-01????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . Oregon Trail (the 1978 Creative Computing version) is installed.????????? ? . Type OREGON to play.????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? 2020-04-13????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . DON'T PANIC: "The DASD is being cleared" messsage at login is now???????? ? . normal. Users now have a 50 cylinder (~29 MBytes) temporary disk????????? ? . being allocated, cleared, formatted, and accessed as D at login.????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? 2020-04-02????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . The user ids GUEST and GUEST0-GUEST5 are now available for remote???????? ? . anonymous access. The password for all of the accounts is GUEST.????????? ? . Tell your friends.??????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? 2019-12-04????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . The games disk has moved from address 192 to 19C on user virtual????????? ? . machines, and now is automatically accessed at file mode G.?????????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? 2019-12-04????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . The user directory (PASSWD file for you UNIX types) has been????????????? ? . tidied up and all regular users are converted to use a standard?????????? ? . profile. No changes should be visible. Report any problems via??????????? ? . NOTE to AHD?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? 2019-05-04????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . While the 4361 was in rehab, the local help files were audited;?????????? ? . numerous files were corrected, and entire menus were added for??????????? ? . local utilities, XEDIT macros, and games.???????????????????????????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? 2018-07-03????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . NEW COMPILERS: The PL/I Optimizing (PLIOPT) and FORTRAN/VS??????????????? ? . (FORTVS2) compilers are now installed. (We're not sure why??????????????? ? . FORTRAN/VS works, but it does!)?????????????????????????????????????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . The PLI (F) compiler is renamed to PLIF, and its library to PLIF????????? ? . as well. Likewise the FORTRANG and FORTRANH compilers have new??????????? ? . names, and their common library is now FORTGH. These changes are????????? ? . to avoid confusion with the newer FORTRAN/VS and PL/I Optimizing????????? ? . compilers.??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . In addition to our new compilers, we have taken a look at our???????????? ? . older offerings:????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . - Verified the operation of C (GCC), COBOL, FORTRAN (G, H, and??????????? ? .?? VS), PLI (F and Optimizing) and SNOBOL4 compilers.????????????????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . - Verified the operation of the BASIC, FORTH, PLCT (PL/C for????????????? ? .?? CMS), SCRIPT (text formatter), and WATFIV interpreters.???????????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . NOTE: Currently ALGOL 68, ASSIST (Assembler) Interpreter and????????????? ? . Stanford Pascal don't work. Work is in progress on ASSIST and???????????? ? . PASCAL.?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . We have added tools and demonstration programs to the Y-Disk:???????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . - "Hello world!" programs in BASIC, C, COBOL, FORTRAN, PASCAL???????????? ? .?? PLC, PLI, SCRIPT, SNOBOL4 and WATFIV. To view: FILELIST HELLO * Y?????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . - Simple EXEC procedures to build modules from compiler output??????????? ? .?? These include GENCOBOL, GENFORTG, GENFORTH, GENFORTV, GENGCC,?????????? ? .?? GENPLIF and GENPLIOP.? To view: FILELIST GEN* EXEC Y??????????????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? 2018-06-22????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . FLIST and BROWSE now exploit larger terminal sizes gracefully.??????????? ? . Thanks to Bob Polmanter (again!)????????????????????????????????????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? 2018-06-20????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . SMART has now idle checking enabled. If you are idle for two????????????? ? . hours, it will warn you and then FORCE you off. Running any?????????????? ? . periodically waking program like VMCSMART will prevent this action.?????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? 2018-06-15????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . Various IPF utilties are loaded, including the very fast BROWSE and FLIST. . Sadly, they don't grok dynamic terminal sizes.??????????????????????????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? 2018-06-15????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . IND$FILE is installed for interactive file transfers. Our thanks to Bob?? ? . Polmanter (WABLY) for his efforts to make it compatible with VM/SP.?????? ? .?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? 2018-06-10????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? . The Real-Time Monitor (SMART) is now available. Type VMCSMART to????????? ? . run, and hit ENTER to stop refreshes and exit.??????????????????????????? ? *?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? * For the full (previous) log messages, enter: CP QUERY LOGMSG????????????? ? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ? |
Re: VM/SP Release 5 at LCM+L (Living Computers: Museum + Labs)
Thanks for info. I have mailed to sysadmin@... .
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Re: VM/SP Release 5 at LCM+L (Living Computers: Museum + Labs)
Just ask Drew Derbyshire ... his e-mail address is:? ahd@... While I am good friends with the LCML+L 4361, this is where I must present my standard disclaimer:?
I'd suggest using one of the forms on this page:? -ahd- ? |
VM/SP Release 5 at LCM+L (Living Computers: Museum + Labs)
Does anyone know where to ask for a permanent account ?
There are public guest accounts accessible, but all data is lost immediately on logoff. I am working on a backup/restore procedure through IND$FILE. Connect: Use a 3270 terminal emulator to connect to host tty.livingcomputers.org port 24 |
Re: Need Advice on Ubuntu/Linux Distro
Jim Snellen wrote:
[...] I run Hercules 4 on my Windows system just fine, from VM/370 CEJust as it should be. I just don't know if I can run Hercules 4 on Ubuntu,You can. I have Ubuntu installed in a VMware virtual machine (Kubuntu 21.10) and it runs Herc 4.5 (the upcoming new version of SDL Hyperion Hercules) just fine. The current official 4.4.1 release version should run just fine as well. I can't find it.It doesn't come pre-distributed with any of the existing Linuxes that I am aware of, so you need to clone the repository and build it yourself instead. Don't worry! It's actually pretty easy (especially if you use Bill's Hercules Helper script): The repository is here: * Instructions for MANUALLY building it are here: * For easy AUTOMATED building, I recommend using Bill Lewis's (a fellow Hercules developer) excellent "Hercules Helper" script, which can be found here: * Linux: Simply clone Bill's repository and run his buildall script: $ hyperion-buildall.sh --auto Refer to the above URLs for complete instructions. (You may have to scroll down the page a little bit to reach the instructions. The above two URLs are for his repository which you need to git clone.) If you have any problem with Bill's helper script, contact Bill. If you have any problems with the official manual build method, contact the Hercules development team. Good luck! -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@... |
Re: Need Advice on Ubuntu/Linux Distro
Hi Mark,
I changed ECPSVM to NO and still no go, same error. The ONLY reason for using Hercules 3.x is because you heard about it, and can find it in the Fedora/Red Hat/.../[A-Z*]Ubuntu/... and other distributions list of available products, and have not yet found about the superior Hercules 4. I run Hercules 4 on my Windows system just fine, from VM/370 CE to an old z/VM system I found on the Internet.? No problems yet.? I just don't know if I can run Hercules 4 on Ubuntu, I can't find it. Thanks. Jim |
Hello, i need your help.
Please check your VM/370 systems if this bug shows up, perhaps only my system might be damaged. You only need any one REXX exec, it does not matter if it does any real work. Start the exec with 7,8,9,10 ... arguments. Check for unusual error messages like those marked in red below. Please post your test results here, even if this bug does not show up on your sytem. Please include version info (cmslevel, brexx ...) Further info and screenshots: Ready; T=0.01/0.01 16:59:42 allhappy Ready; T=0.01/0.01 16:59:51 I'm happy to tell you that 1 + 3 = 4 Ready; T=0.01/0.01 16:59:51 I'm happy to tell you that 1 + 3 + 5 + 7 = 16 Ready; T=0.01/0.01 16:59:51 I'm happy to tell you that 1 + 3 + 5 + 7 +8 = 24 ABNORMAL TERMINATION (NO RESOURCE CLEANUP) ERRNO 430 DLMalloc aborted. Ready(00012); T=0.01/0.01 16:59:51 Invalid character '¨®' in fileID '¨®??PY EXEC'. Error 58 running "¨®?¡èpy": File not found ABNORMAL TERMINATION (NO RESOURCE CLEANUP) ERRNO 430 DLMalloc aborted. Ready(00012); T=0.01/0.01 16:59:51 linotype allhappy exec ?* * * Top of file * * *?? Size=4??? ALLHAPPY EXEC ?*1*? &STACK happy 1 + 3 ?*2*? &STACK happy 1 + 3 + 5 + 7 ?*3*? &STACK happy 1 + 3 + 5 + 7 +8 ?*4*? &STACK happy 1 + 3 + 5 + 7 + 8 ?* * * End of file * * *?? Size=4??? ALLHAPPY EXEC Ready; T=0.03/0.03 17:00:40 linotype happy exec ?* * * Top of file * * *?? Size=6??? HAPPY EXEC ?*1*? /* REXX */ ?*2* ?*3*? parse arg expr ?*4*? interpret "eval =" expr ?*5*? say "I'm happy to tell you that" expr "=" eval ?*6*? /* say "I'm happy to tell you that? 17 + 4? = " 17 + 4 + 1 "- 1" */ ?* * * End of file * * *?? Size=6??? HAPPY EXEC Ready; T=0.20/0.34 17:03:42 whoami MECAFF?? AT VM370CE? VIA RSCS???? 17:08:27 09/19/22 GMT???? MONDAY SYSTEM 4381-A VM/370 Community Edition Version? 1 Release? 1.2 07/19/22 13:20:46 VM/370 CMS Community Edition Version 1 Release 1.2 CMS bREXX 1.0.1 Jul? 5 2022 CMS COMMAND whoami whoami Ready; T=0.01/0.02 17:08:27 linotype whoami exec ?* * * Top of file * * *?? Size=7??? WHOAMI EXEC ?*1*? /* REXX */ ?*2* ?*3*? "identify" ?*4*? "query cplevel" ?*5*? "query cmslevel" ?*6*? parse version v; parse source s ?*7*? say v; say s ?* * * End of file * * *?? Size=7??? WHOAMI EXEC Ready; T=0.02/0.03 17:09:12 ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? RUNNING?? VM370CE?? |
Re: Need Advice on Ubuntu/Linux Distro
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýDon't just upgrade to an SSD (256GB should be okay), but add in as much memory as possible. Memory is more important to Windows OS than to a Linux OS but helps with either one. I usually take the old hard-drive and put it into a shirt-pocket
case to attach via USB for recovering data first but then as
external storage. For OS, I run RedHat on my tower server in the corner but Ubuntu on the old Toshiba laptop I play with.? I used to run CentOS on both.
/Tom Kern On 9/19/2022 7:37 AM, Joe Monk wrote:
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Re: Need Advice on Ubuntu/Linux Distro
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýMike, Sorry, sent that in a bit of a hurry. ? Jim, Any chance of the log? If you are using an old version of Hercules its worth checking that you have ¡°ARCHMODE¡± in the config rather than ARCHLVL and that ECPSVM is off. Dave ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Ward
Sent: 19 September 2022 14:38 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Need Advice on Ubuntu/Linux Distro ? I¡¯m not having the? problem, I believe it¡¯s Jim Snellen. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Wade ? Mike, It would be be good to see the console log for the VM startup. Dave ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Ward ? Is it possible that VM is trying to access a device that isn¡¯t there? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jim Snellen ? Hello all, |
Re: Need Advice on Ubuntu/Linux Distro
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI¡¯m not having the? problem, I believe it¡¯s Jim Snellen. ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave Wade
Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2022 11:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Need Advice on Ubuntu/Linux Distro ? Mike, It would be be good to see the console log for the VM startup. Dave ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike Ward ? Is it possible that VM is trying to access a device that isn¡¯t there? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jim Snellen ? Hello all, |
Re: Need Advice on Ubuntu/Linux Distro
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýFolks, If its got a PATA drive it is be worth looking at something like this:- ? ? which allows am mSATA SSD to be used in older laptops. I think the laptop must understand LBA but it works fine in my Lenovo T61 but not in my Compaq M700. Dave ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Joe Monk
Sent: 19 September 2022 12:37 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Need Advice on Ubuntu/Linux Distro ? "?I strongly suggest installing an SSD into any laptop that you are going to upgrade/downgrade to Linux. It just speeds things up so much." ? +1!!! ? Joe ? On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 2:23 AM Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote:
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Re: Need Advice on Ubuntu/Linux Distro
"?I strongly suggest installing an SSD into any laptop that you are going to upgrade/downgrade to Linux. It just speeds things up so much." +1!!! Joe On Mon, Sep 19, 2022 at 2:23 AM Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm@...> wrote: Gregg, |
Re: Need Advice on Ubuntu/Linux Distro
As the orginiator of this thread, I should say that a few feet from where I¡¯m sitting is an IBM ThinkPad dated 2000 (the year I retired from IBM) that still runs Windows XP when I turn it on (perhaps every two or three years). After dabbling with Limux I switched to Macs very soon after.
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Dave Mitchell (IBMer from 1968-2000). On 19 Sep 2022, at 00:34, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8@...> wrote: |
Re: Need Advice on Ubuntu/Linux Distro
Gregg,
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I am actually named "David" but prefer to be called "Dave" but I G4UGM except when in Spain where I am EA7KAE.... ... the Dave caused a problem or two when I last did a Microsoft exam as all my old exams were done using a company id which said "Dave Wade". When I did the last one they wanted "official id" and both my passport and my driving licence, of course say "David Wade" Dave P.S. I strongly suggest installing an SSD into any laptop that you are going to upgrade/downgrade to Linux. It just speeds things up so much. -----Original Message----- |
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And what year is your machine from Fish?Well, the model came out in 2009(*), but I bought mine used in Oct. 2014 from a company called Stallard Technologies(**) that specializes in used Dell equipment. (HIGHLY recommended! Tell them I sent you.) (*) ,_tower_form_factor (**) -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@... |
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There are three people(?) on this list who're named David, yourself, (Fish), one who is actually named Dave Wade, and of course Dave M, The monster reference was aimed at the both of them. And what year is your machine from Fish? Mine is circa early 1999. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@... "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 8:25 PM Fish Fish <david.b.trout@...> wrote:
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