On 7/8/20 12:01 PM, Drew Derbyshire wrote:

On 7/8/20 6:46 AM, Dave McGuire wrote:

? The context was family members doing scummy things when someone with
money dies, and the general belief that that's what's happening to Paul
Allen's work.

I might suggest the original author take a gentle tone to such judgements.

Paul Allen chose Jody Allen as his executor; one presumes he knew better
her that we do.? Him knowing her and being aware of his own holdings,
had he wanted to tie her hands he have could done so. He would probably
not label her actions scummy, and neither should we.

Also, I would point that that COVID-19 is Black Swan event. These ...
are not normal times.

I should probably also state that I really hope I'm wrong about what
happened out there. My feeling is that, with as much money as was left
behind, there really should have been no problem at all keeping his
stuff running for at least the rest of our lifetimes.

-Dave

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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

On 7/8/20 12:01 PM, Drew Derbyshire wrote:

? The context was family members doing scummy things when someone with
money dies, and the general belief that that's what's happening to Paul
Allen's work.

I might suggest the original author take a gentle tone to such judgements.

Paul Allen chose Jody Allen as his executor; one presumes he knew better
her that we do.? Him knowing her and being aware of his own holdings,
had he wanted to tie her hands he have could done so. He would probably
not label her actions scummy, and neither should we.

I never said that *I* believed this, I said that it is the general
belief, which it is. This has been discussed at great length on many
mailing lists, with some of the threads involving people who might
actually know something about what happened there.

But I myself do have my suspicions. I don't know any of the people
involved, but I do know this:

- Paul Allen cared about it
- He was a gazillionaire
- LCM+L has/had absurdly high overhead
- That overhead is a drop in the bucket to a gazillionaire
- Relatives almost universally get shitty when people with money die
- The chances of someone else in any given family caring as much about
something as the deceased did, or caring that the deceased person cared,
are pretty close to zero.

It's called "seeing dollar signs" and it happens every day.

If I were on the other coast, I'd be sitting next to the nearest scrap
yard with an empty truck.

Also, I would point that that COVID-19 is Black Swan event. These ...
are not normal times.

Of course not. And museum revenue has dropped significantly as a
result. (ask me how I know) But Paul Allen was a gazillionaire, and if
he had intended for this legacies to continue, and if he had properly
acted on that intention, they would have continued.

That's really all there is to it.

-Dave

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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

Grant,

Well there are some similarities between and the 1918 flu. In 1918 people revolted against lock downs and there were three waves, of which the third was worst.


The demise of LCM was perhaps to be expected. Once an institution looses its "champion" it often goes that way.

Dave
P.S. it’s a tad pointless signing messages sent via groups.io as it changes several things rendering the signature invalid.

On 7/8/20 10:01 AM, Drew Derbyshire wrote:

Also, I would point that that COVID-19 is Black Swan event. These ... are not normal times.

I don't know if I'd label COVID-19 a "Black Swan" or not. I think it's more akin to 100 year floods. They don't happen often, but they do happen.

The Spanish Flu was another such 100 year event that was just shy of 100 years ago.

Sure, the coverage and information exchange is completely different now than it was 100 years ago. But that's more about how we deal with it than it is the event itself.



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On 7/8/20 6:46 AM, Dave McGuire wrote:

The context was family members doing scummy things when someone with
money dies, and the general belief that that's what's happening to Paul
Allen's work.

I might suggest the original author take a gentle tone to such judgements.

Paul Allen chose Jody Allen as his executor; one presumes he knew better her that we do.? Him knowing her and being aware of his own holdings, had he wanted to tie her hands he have could done so. He would probably not label her actions scummy, and neither should we.

Also, I would point that that COVID-19 is Black Swan event. These ... are not normal times.

-ahd-

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"Nuke the users and let IBM sort them out" -ahd-, out of context

Hello!
#Watches as the writer was handed a cup of tea made in the Tibetan style.#
Actually that's how I inferred it, but I felt it needed more
explanations. And we needed to know who this is.
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On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 9:46 AM Dave McGuire <mcguire@...> wrote:

On 7/8/20 12:26 AM, Drew Derbyshire wrote:

I don't know the back story on this, but I agree, and the latest I
observed the behavior, it was a much smaller sum of money than being
discussed here. Seen this a few times....

Die broke, that's my plan, and I am well on track!

To perhaps paraphase Greg (perhaps not) ...

Who are you and what are you talking about?

The context was family members doing scummy things when someone with
money dies, and the general belief that that's what's happening to Paul
Allen's work.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

And this space belongs to the Jawas.

Hello!
#Hands the man a basket of fruit from the orchards in a Tatooine
oasis, "Take a few!"#

Actually yes the meaning is clear. But please remember I am not named
for an excellent actor. (We won't go into the next part inside the
list.)
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"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 12:26 AM Drew Derbyshire <swhobbit@...> wrote:

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 07:08 PM, <gpcramins@...> wrote:

I don't know the back story on this, but I agree, and the latest I observed the behavior, it was a much smaller sum of money than being discussed here. Seen this a few times....

Die broke, that's my plan, and I am well on track!

To perhaps paraphase Greg (perhaps not) ...

Who are you and what are you talking about?

-ahd-
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And this spot was grabbed by the Tusken Raiders.

On 7/8/20 12:26 AM, Drew Derbyshire wrote:

I don't know the back story on this, but I agree, and the latest I
observed the behavior, it was a much smaller sum of money than being
discussed here. Seen this a few times....

Die broke, that's my plan, and I am well on track!

To perhaps paraphase Greg (perhaps not) ...

Who are you and what are you talking about?

The context was family members doing scummy things when someone with
money dies, and the general belief that that's what's happening to Paul
Allen's work.

-Dave

--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 07:08 PM, <gpcramins@...> wrote:

I don't know the back story on this, but I agree, and the latest I observed the behavior, it was a much smaller sum of money than being discussed here. Seen this a few times....

Die broke, that's my plan, and I am well on track!

To perhaps paraphase Greg (perhaps not) ...

Who are you and what are you talking about?

-ahd-

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Drew Derbyshire

Hello!
Do me a favor please. And do the others one also. Please elaborate.
What are you getting at? (I believe the one who's reading this outloud
to his audience will agree with me.) Oh and please include your full
name as part of your signature line. One of us prefers that.
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Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8@...
"This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again."

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:08 PM <gpcramins@...> wrote:

I don't know the back story on this, but I agree, and the latest I observed the behavior, it was a much smaller sum of money than being discussed here. Seen this a few times....

Die broke, that's my plan, and I am well on track!

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Republic because Crait is too salty to properly work on and inside.

I don't know the back story on this, but I agree, and the latest I observed the behavior, it was a much smaller sum of money than being discussed here. Seen this a few times....

Die broke, that's my plan, and I am well on track!

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On Fri, 3 Jul 2020 at 22:02, Dave McGuire <mcguire@...> wrote:

? The passing of a person with money brings out the very worst of
humanity.? I've seen this with my own eyes, when only a little bit of
money was involved.? This was a LOT of money.

? Of course nobody knows what actually happened, but it really doesn't
look good, and it looks very familiar.

Could someone provide a brief background on what has happened here? The first I heard is the very first post in this thread, and I feel I came in part way through the conversation.

Not much to say.?

Remember that Seattle & the Puget Sound was one of the first US hot spots of Coronavirus.? The LCM+L building closed in March and ceased all virtually operations (such as most online access) at end of June. The entire division is shutdown:

Paul Allen had many eclectic (even eccentric) interests combined with lots of civil pride.? It appears his heirs do not have the same interests.

-ahd-

p.s. My usual LCM+L related disclaimers apply.?

-- 
Drew Derbyshire

"Today, I consider myself the luckiest man on the face of the earth,"
                                 -- "The Pride of the Yankees"

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Alex,

More Info here:-

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for Info I was a “Systems Programme” on Honeywell L66 systems with GCOS 3 from around 1977 to 1985 when I moved onto VM/CMS on a 4381.

First at Refuge Assurance where we had a L66/10 mostly running batch with some transaction processing. Almost all Cobol.

Later at NERC Bidston at what was “The Institute of Tides and Coastal Oceanography” where it was almost all time sharing and Fortran.

We had a L66/60 that was upgraded to DPS300 so basically a dual CPU L66.

Very different systems…

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Dave

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DPS 6 or I think here in the US Level 6 was more of a mini.? The group that did the software in the late 70s had fallen in love with Multics and implemented a lot of their OS utilities inspired by Multics.

I worked for a company, Ultimate that eventually sold more DPS 6 hardware than for any other segment of use for the hardware.? It ran a version of the Pick OS, starting with a WCS version which ran the same Pick assembly, and later hosted a couple of 16 and then 32 bit co-processors running the Pick code with the Level 6 hosting I/O.

But when the fellow doing the firmware for the WCS initial version was working, he had a development system with GCOS running to run an assembler and other Honeywell supplied utilities, and cussed it up one way and down the other.? When I got with him, and having Multics experience I looked at the command line utilities and editor, and it turned out that at the time they'd copied Tom Van Vleck's TED and had a lot of the same utilities for OS functions as Multics did.?

Helped him quite a bit figuring out things, as my Multics "muscle memory" was good to go.

I also heard that as far as Multics and Level 6 here in the US with GCOS, Ford bought a large Multics system, and also planned to use Level 6 extensively.? I understand also that didn't pan out as expected, but involved a lot of hardware and software.

The Multics processor as I understand it was a mostly Honeywell extension of the GE 645 with extra hardware to support Multics Processor functions.? It ran GCOS for the 6000 series processor users, and with an extra box of hardware ran Multics.? Multics also was made to be able to run a GCOS partition to run batch GCOS, and I know on the system we had at USL was used for Cobol classes t the university.

Thanks
Jim

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Sent: 04 July 2020 13:09
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Alex,

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Oh to be in Spain!

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I don’t think the DPS6 CPUs have any relationship to Multics. DPS6 was a new mini developed in Ireland I think with a 32bit word

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They are related to the DPS8. The original Multics CPU was derived from the GE600 CPU but heavily modified to provide protection rings and I believe virtual memory support.

When Honeywell bought GE the GE600 was basically re-badged as the H6000 and core memory replaced with semi-conductor RAM

The Multics version was re-badged the 6180 and some components changed.. I believe not that much of the 6000 CPU was left….

Later it the range was again re-badged L66 with the multics box being L68. The other Honeywell machines were named try and make them feel like a range, but in practice they weren’t.

The DPS 8 was I believe “yet another re-badging of the same CPU” and a change of case.

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So I understand MULTICS includes some GECOS emulation and will run L66/DPS8 programs.

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Dave

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Hi Jim,

About Multics and Honeywell, do you know if GCOS8 of DPS8 and/or GCOS6 of DPS6 cpus from HONEYWELL BULL had any relation with Multics?
I worked as system programmer with GCOS6 in the 80s.
Thankyou.
Alex G
Barcelona

On the late eighties DPS8 was a common mainframe in Spain and France.
In 1982, DPS6? was a lower level and in fact there were a 32 bits running GCOS6, and a low end 16 bit cpu with only 1 MB addressable without virtual memory, in other words, equal to a 8086 Intel, but a lot more expensive...

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