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This group is for all folks running the original IBM VM/370 Release 6 operating system (or later (e.g. VMTCE (Community Edition)) on Hercules. Like the other early IBM operating systems this version has always been in the public domain and so can be freely distributed. The base version as supplied by IBM is lacking in many facilities. IBM solved this by providing additional extension products which were licensed and so are not available. There are however many user enhancements available which can be installed. In addition, in order to get users up and running quickly updated "releases" of VM/370 included the most popular updates are available for download, so novices can start to learn VM without having to delve into the system internals. It is intended that this wiki will provide information on the base release and these updates.
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Re: VM/ESA era manuals?
Oh loads of bitsavers mirrors.? Try ? Dave On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, 7:57 pm , <pjfarley3@...> wrote:
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Re: VM/ESA era manuals?
The ESA V2 manuals can still be downloaded from the publications site... Dave On Mon, 20 Jan 2020, 7:57 pm , <pjfarley3@...> wrote:
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Re: VM/ESA era manuals?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI found a fair portion of the manuals for r2.3, r2.4 and z/VM on the IBM z/VM website a few years ago. I don't know if they are still there.? I have a complete set of r2.3 or 2.4, but they are in Bookmanager format. Gary Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device |
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Re: VM/ESA era manuals?
On 1/20/20 1:57 PM, pjfarley3@... wrote:
Does anyone know if there is an archive anywhere of VM/ESA era manuals??The primary bitsavers.org site has been having problems for the past couple of days. It started at about the same time that my own network started getting hit by a rather substantial denial-of-service attack originating in Iran, sigh. There are bitsavers mirrors everywhere, google "bitsavers mirror". I don't think there's anything as recent as ESA on there, though. I have a few dozen VM/ESA manuals in PDF format that I can tar up for you if that would be helpful. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA |
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VM/ESA era manuals?
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýDoes anyone know if there is an archive anywhere of VM/ESA era manuals?? I tried getting to bitsavers.org but it seems to be bandwidth-overloaded and does not respond.? Are there bitsavers mirrors anywhere? ? The ¡°Internet Archve¡± interface doesn¡¯t seem to provide the bitsavers directory structure (or I haven¡¯t figured out how to get it to just let me browse the directories). ? Any help you can provide is appreciated. ? Peter -- |
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Re: Fortran I/O
Hi Steven,
CMS "borrowed" the FORTRAN compiler from MVS. You will need FILEDEF statements to associate MVS DDNAMEs and FORTRAN unit numbers with files or devices, for example (untested): FILEDEF FT05F001 TERM FILEDEF FT06F001 DISK OUTPUT FILE A Have a look around for a file called FILE FT06F001 A or something like that. Are they run from an EXEC which contains suitable FILEDEF statements? Regards, Peter Coghlan. |
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Fortran I/O
Guys, thanks for all the help so far.? I got the card punch, printer and IND$FILE transfers working. Next I thought I'd try compiling a Fortran program.? I grabbed the example on? area of a triangle by Heron's formula.? After updating the I/O statements to avoid 'TAPE' and changing FLOATF to FLOAT and SQRTF to SQRT it will now compile and load but I/O still does not seem to?work. This is the first version that would compile/load: C AREA OF A TRIANGLE WITH A STANDARD SQUARE ROOT FUNCTION C INPUT - TAPE READER UNIT 5, INTEGER INPUT C OUTPUT - LINE PRINTER UNIT 6, REAL OUTPUT C INPUT ERROR DISPLAY ERROR OUTPUT CODE 1 IN JOB CONTROL LISTING ? ? ? READ (5, 501) IA, IB, IC ? 501 FORMAT (3I5) C IA, IB, AND IC MAY NOT BE NEGATIVE OR ZERO C FURTHERMORE, THE SUM OF TWO SIDES OF A TRIANGLE C MUST BE GREATER THAN THE THIRD SIDE, SO WE CHECK FOR THAT, TOO ? ? ? IF (IA) 777, 777, 701 ? 701 IF (IB) 777, 777, 702 ? 702 IF (IC) 777, 777, 703 ? 703 IF (IA+IB-IC) 777, 777, 704 ? 704 IF (IA+IC-IB) 777, 777, 705 ? 705 IF (IB+IC-IA) 777, 777, 799 ? 777 STOP 1 C USING HERON'S FORMULA WE CALCULATE THE C AREA OF THE TRIANGLE ? 799 S = FLOAT ?(IA + IB + IC) / 2.0 ? ? ? AREA = SQRT ( S * (S - FLOAT (IA)) * (S - FLOAT (IB)) * ? ? ?+ ? ? (S - FLOAT (IC))) ? ? ? WRITE (6, 601) ? ? ? ? ? ?IA, IB, IC, AREA ? 601 FORMAT (4H A= ,I5,5H ?B= ,I5,5H ?C= ,I5,8H ?AREA= ,F10.2, ? ? ?+ ? ? ? ?13H SQUARE UNITS) ? ? ? STOP ? ? ? END When I try to run it with 'start' I get: IHC218I FIOCS - I/O ERROR ?120S INPUT ?ERROR 001 ON FT05F001, Searching, unit 5 should be keyboard/standard input so I was expecting the program to wait for a line at the terminal.? If I work around the input by hard coding some values so the the input part becomes: C ? ? READ (5, 501) IA, IB, IC C 501 FORMAT (3I5) ? ? ? IA = 3 ? ? ? IB = 4 ? ? ? IC = 5 Now the output seems to be discarded.? It isn't printed to the terminal, isn't queued for punch or printer and isn't in a file that I can see.? Interestingly the same issue with discarded output seems to happen with the supplied hello fortran program. |
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Re: Real and Virtual Printers and Punches and File Transfers
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýSteven Well if you are using one of the incarnations of the six-pack it comes with ind$file and you can use that to move files in either direction. If you are using Windows and the standard TN3270 client from the six-pack you may need to tweak the Windows console settings to let you click on the file menu. Then click on ¡°file¡± ¡°transfer¡± and follow the prompts. ? The Punch and reader work well as well. So the first thing is to get your virtual punch pointing to the system spool, and with the right class, so ? ¡°SPOOL PUN SYSTEM CLASS P¡± ? Then punch your file ? ¡°PUNCH fn ft¡± ? Then start the system punch. So from the Operator, which is usually attached to the Hercules console and needs a ¡°/¡± prefix to ? ¡°/cp start d¡± ? And your cards will be placed in the file attached to ¡°D¡± in the config. You can change it by doing ? ¡°devinit d my-punch-file.txt¡± ? On the Hercules console. You don¡¯t need the ¡°/¡± as it¡¯s a hercules command. ? Dave ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steven Fosdick
Sent: 20 January 2020 13:09 To: [email protected] Subject: [h390-vm] Real and Virtual Printers and Punches and File Transfers ? Thinking about how I might be able to transfer?a simple text file from within CMS to the Hercules?host I had the idea that I may be able to send it to the card punch which would should then appear in the a host file but I then discovered that VM virtualises the card punch so when you use the 'punch' command the output is placed in a spool file.? Not a great surprise but the spool file is not marked as held and yet I can't seem to find any way to tell the VM spooling system that it should send that file to what it thinks is the real card punch (i.e. the one virtualised by Hercules, not VM).? Exactly the same situation applies to the printer. ? Searching, I didn't find any solution to for the card punch; most documentation and web resources are more recent and I don't suppose anyone would think that you'd want to use a real card punch. ? For printing, the only solution I found any mention of involved driving the printer from MVS, either on a completely different machine, or by running MVS in a VM on the same machine and either way using an extra bit of software whose name I have forgotten to transfer the spool files from VM to MVS.? Is there no easier way, especially as I suspect the bit of software concerned may be proprietary. ? So stepping back a bit, what is the easiest way to transfer text files between CMS and the Hercules host OS? |
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Re: Real and Virtual Printers and Punches and File Transfers
You need to start the "real" card punch or printer, for example, while logged in to OPERATOR or MAINT, use: CP START 00D (00D) is the "real" address of the "real" card punch. Regards, Peter Coghlan. |
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Re: Getting Started with VM/CMS
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýSteven There are a couple of IBM editors with a prefix area. If you used VM it was most likely you used XEDIT. Superficially it looks similar to the ISPF editor but few, if anyone used that on VM ISPF had to be bought, XEDIT was free and part of VM. The look and feel was very customisable so just because a screen looks different to what you remember on VM is doesn¡¯t mean it¡¯s not the same editor underneath. I actually find FSEDIT frustrating because its so different to XEDIT¡. Many commands are not the same¡ ? Dave ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Steven Fosdick
Sent: 20 January 2020 12:52 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Getting Started with VM/CMS ? Mentioning xedit, that was going to be my next question.? The editor I remember was one where each line was prefixed by an area into which you could type one or two letter commands and block operations were done by typing the command on both the start and end lines.? Looking at the description of xedit it seems like that is probably the editor I remember, though it could have been the editor invoked from ISPF.? Does that give any more clue as to which version I may have been using?? I looked at EDIT from the sixpack and it looks altogether more primitive. ? I have also had a play with MVS 3.8J and Rob Finn's RPF.? The editor in that looks good and quite similar, at least superficially, to xedit so I immediately started to wonder if that could? be ported to CMS but I am very glad to hear of fsedit. ? On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 22:30, adriansutherland67 <adrian@...> wrote:
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Real and Virtual Printers and Punches and File Transfers
Thinking about how I might be able to transfer?a simple text file from within CMS to the Hercules?host I had the idea that I may be able to send it to the card punch which would should then appear in the a host file but I then discovered that VM virtualises the card punch so when you use the 'punch' command the output is placed in a spool file.? Not a great surprise but the spool file is not marked as held and yet I can't seem to find any way to tell the VM spooling system that it should send that file to what it thinks is the real card punch (i.e. the one virtualised by Hercules, not VM).? Exactly the same situation applies to the printer. Searching, I didn't find any solution to for the card punch; most documentation and web resources are more recent and I don't suppose anyone would think that you'd want to use a real card punch. For printing, the only solution I found any mention of involved driving the printer from MVS, either on a completely different machine, or by running MVS in a VM on the same machine and either way using an extra bit of software whose name I have forgotten to transfer the spool files from VM to MVS.? Is there no easier way, especially as I suspect the bit of software concerned may be proprietary. So stepping back a bit, what is the easiest way to transfer text files between CMS and the Hercules host OS? |
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Re: Getting Started with VM/CMS
Mentioning xedit, that was going to be my next question.? The editor I remember was one where each line was prefixed by an area into which you could type one or two letter commands and block operations were done by typing the command on both the start and end lines.? Looking at the description of xedit it seems like that is probably the editor I remember, though it could have been the editor invoked from ISPF.? Does that give any more clue as to which version I may have been using?? I looked at EDIT from the sixpack and it looks altogether more primitive. I have also had a play with MVS 3.8J and Rob Finn's RPF.? The editor in that looks good and quite similar, at least superficially, to xedit so I immediately started to wonder if that could? be ported to CMS but I am very glad to hear of fsedit. On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 22:30, adriansutherland67 <adrian@...> wrote: 35 years ago ... 1985 ... VM/ESA ... so a bit more modern to the old six pack (!) |
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Re: Getting Started with VM/CMS
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOn 1/19/20 3:05 PM, Joe Monk wrote:
It was not until spring 1988 that IBM decommitted from the General Availability of VM/XA 1, so VM/ESA was later. On the 24 bit side ... VM/SP 3 was popular in 1985, VM/SP 4 was soon after, and VM/SP 5 was out by summer 1987. The Living Computers: Museums + Labs IBM 4361 runs VM/SP 5.? You can request (you knew this was coming) a free login on it here: -ahd- |
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Re: Getting Started with VM/CMS
1985 was barely VM/XA (I dont even think HPO was out) Joe On Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 4:30 PM adriansutherland67 <adrian@...> wrote: 35 years ago ... 1985 ... VM/ESA ... so a bit more modern to the old six pack (!) |
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Re: Getting Started with VM/CMS
¿ªÔÆÌåÓý1985 would have been VM/SP release 3 era.? I installed VM/ESA 1.1 in early 1992.? Logging on via the logo screen came about with VM/SP.? With VM/370, it is easier if you clear the logo screen first. Gary Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device |
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Re: Getting Started with VM/CMS
Guys, Thanks for the replies. After some experimentation, I discovered that the 'logon' command only works when abbreviated to 'log'.? Using the abbreviated form I can specify both username and password on the command line and am logged on immediately, or if I miss out the password the system prompts me for it. I don't recall that from 35 years ago but my memory is not that good.? Is this a common set up or something odd here.? Anyway now I am in there seems to be plenty of help available. Regards, Steve. |
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Re: Getting Started with VM/CMS
Hi Steven,
Hello, I used VM/CMS very briefly during school work experience over 35The directions you found in "Operating System Handbook" apply to a later version of VM than the versions available for download. In the version you are running, it is not possible to log on from the VM/370 logo screen. When this screen comes up, you need to press enter or clear to move on to the next screen when you will see "CP READ" in the bottom right. At this point you can now enter 'logon cmsuser', then enter the password for cmsuser, which is also cmsuser and then CMS should start up automatically. Press enter once more when you see "VM READ" in the bottom right and then you should be good to go. The reason 'IPL CMS' did not work for you is because you need to be logged on before you can issue this command and you had not managed to successfully log on yet. Regards, Peter Coghlan. |
Dave McGuire