Re: Thoughts regarding remote 3270 support
On 07/05/2025 03:06, Ross Patterson via
groups.io wrote:
On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 13:28 William Denton via
<williamedenton= [email protected]>
wrote:
Is there a consensus opinion on supporting remote 3270
in VM Community Edition? Should it be supported (as much
as possible) at par with local 3270 support? Should it be
abandoned and either deleted or stubbed out as deprecated?
Unless someone has an actual bisync
controller, or a 3275 or 3276, I don't see the point.? I'm
not aware of anything that emulates one, and TN3270 is an
excellent alternative for distant emulated 3270s.
Whilst its not Hercules I am sure there are a few folks around with
P390's and the 5-pack used to run just fine on mine. I no longer
have it, but MCA cards that will run bi-sync are not uncommon,
neither are 3174's with comms adaptors that will also run bi-sync.
So it is possible to have remote 3270's on CE but I can't see any
one doing it except as an act of pure torture..
Dave
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Re: Thoughts regarding remote 3270 support
Hello! William (and Jay, and Dave), for my efforts, I would sometimes run a Hercules instance supporting the original Two Pack variety of VM 370. And would wow the people in my LUG with doing so, from where ever that event was meeting. In fact, one individual who had an objectionable opinion regarding mainframes and the dino occupants of the big museum here in the City was so surprised, he ended up changing his objectionable one for a good one. So, what all of you do is worth doing it. ----- Gregg Levine hansolofalcon@... "I'm still so smart I amaze even myself.", Han Solo From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Jay Maynard via groups.io Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2025 10:39 PM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [h390-vm] Thoughts regarding remote 3270 support It should be possible to gen and load EP into a 3720 - or the 3705 emulator, as well. There's only one problem: I'm not aware of any copies of EP running around for either platform. On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 4:59?PM Dave Wade via <dave.g4ugm=mailto:gmail.com@groupsio> wrote: On 06/05/2025 21:27, William Denton via wrote: Is there a consensus opinion on supporting remote 3270 in VM Community Edition? Should it be supported (as much as possible) at par with local 3270 support? Should it be abandoned and either deleted or stubbed out as deprecated? For a long time Hercules didn't support remote 3270s. In fact I have no idea how to support them now, but I think in theory it should be possible to generate and load EP into a 3720 I ask this because I'm working on a pretty major restructure to local 3270 support and noticed that one of the existing updates (HRC101DK) appears to have been abandoned for remote 3270s. A few other local 3270 updates have not even attempted to address remote 3270 support (e.g. MORETIME, Diag8C, etc) Thoughts? It never was good. I wouldn't miss it... cheers, William -- Jay Maynard "As the two continued to chase separatists across the planet with the Wookiee guide running ahead of them, they all but collided the last three. And in a dead end. They turned to fire their weapons at the three, then there was a loud explosion. And the Wookiee had displayed his bowcaster which was loaded with explosive bolts. And the three lay dead. The Jedi Knight stood there mouthing insults in as many languages spoken in the Republic." From a Timelord's travels through the Old Republic during the Clone Wars, a still unpublished memoir.
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Re: Thoughts regarding remote 3270 support
It should be possible to gen and load EP into a 3720 - or the 3705 emulator, as well. There's only one problem: I'm not aware of any copies of EP running around for either platform.
On 06/05/2025 21:27, William Denton via
wrote:
Is there a consensus opinion on supporting remote 3270 in VM
Community Edition? Should it be supported (as much as possible)
at par with local 3270 support? Should it be abandoned and
either deleted or stubbed out as deprecated?
For a long time Hercules didn't support remote 3270s. In fact I have
no idea how to support them now, but I think in theory it should be
possible to generate and load EP into a 3720
?
I ask this because I'm working on a pretty major restructure
to local 3270 support and noticed that one of the existing
updates (HRC101DK) appears to have been abandoned for remote
3270s. A few other local 3270 updates have not even attempted to
address remote 3270 support (e.g. MORETIME, Diag8C, etc)
?
Thoughts?
?
It never was good. I wouldn't miss it...
cheers, William
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Re: Thoughts regarding remote 3270 support
On Tue, May 6, 2025 at 13:28 William Denton via <williamedenton= [email protected]> wrote: Is there a consensus opinion on supporting remote 3270 in VM Community Edition? Should it be supported (as much as possible) at par with local 3270 support? Should it be abandoned and either deleted or stubbed out as deprecated?
Unless someone has an actual bisync controller, or a 3275 or 3276, I don't see the point.? I'm not aware of anything that emulates one, and TN3270 is an excellent alternative for distant emulated 3270s.
Ross
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Re: Thoughts regarding remote 3270 support
On 06/05/2025 21:27, William Denton via
groups.io wrote:
Is there a consensus opinion on supporting remote 3270 in VM
Community Edition? Should it be supported (as much as possible)
at par with local 3270 support? Should it be abandoned and
either deleted or stubbed out as deprecated?
For a long time Hercules didn't support remote 3270s. In fact I have
no idea how to support them now, but I think in theory it should be
possible to generate and load EP into a 3720
?
I ask this because I'm working on a pretty major restructure
to local 3270 support and noticed that one of the existing
updates (HRC101DK) appears to have been abandoned for remote
3270s. A few other local 3270 updates have not even attempted to
address remote 3270 support (e.g. MORETIME, Diag8C, etc)
?
Thoughts?
?
It never was good. I wouldn't miss it...
cheers, William
_._,_._,_
Dave
G4UGM
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Thoughts regarding remote 3270 support
Is there a consensus opinion on supporting remote 3270 in VM Community Edition? Should it be supported (as much as possible) at par with local 3270 support? Should it be abandoned and either deleted or stubbed out as deprecated?
?
I ask this because I'm working on a pretty major restructure to local 3270 support and noticed that one of the existing updates (HRC101DK) appears to have been abandoned for remote 3270s. A few other local 3270 updates have not even attempted to address remote 3270 support (e.g. MORETIME, Diag8C, etc)
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Thoughts?
?
cheers, William
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Hi All,
I have tested the list, indeed all these files are available on
publibz.
In total I have 16.062 files from publibz. I am wondering if
publibfp.dhe.ibm.com/epubs/ contains the same files or that there
are others (as well) over there.
There is a file
, but that's
not a PDF. Since it contains EBCDIC code I expect it's a BOO file,
at least the header looks like to be bookmanager format.
Also a number of files report errors. At least izpz**80.pdf (11
files) do not report their creation date. When running pdfinfo
upon all files I did get quite a number of warnings during
processing. I don't yet know for sure to what extent the error
affects the content.
Next step is to include the IBM document number and title to all
files. I have listed the content but a lot of titles are missing,
none of them list the document number in the PDF metadata so a lot
of work to do.
Regards, Berry.
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On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 02:08 AM, Bertram Moshier wrote:
When I run DISKMAP again for the USER DIRECT FILE (adding only one new mini-disk (3380 001 for 121), I'm getting the following error:
01:56:39 ? ? ? ? ?PASCAL ? ? ?192 ? ? ?3350 ? 00006 ? ?00025 ? ?00020
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I went back to the original e-mail. The actual "error" is an incorrect directory statement. PASCAL is invalid and should be MDISK.
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That said, the DISKMAP program doesn't process that properly, so there is an error in the detection and processing of an incorrect MDISK statement.
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I Hope That Helps.
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For your information , a catalogue of online computer manuals.
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Re: Oh FULIST, Where Have You Gone?
On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 09:20 AM, Mike Beer wrote:
I still do not have access to ADHD medication () and I am unable to write instructions how to use a bleeding edge release of The New EE.
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Martin
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Re: Oh FULIST, Where Have You Gone?
Kris,
Do you also have an alias for FILELIST to catch FIELLIST? ;-)
Regards, Berry.
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kris.buelens via groups.io:
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FULIST and FLIST are quite similar.? The first look was
identical.
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As end-user you need some adaption to migrate to FIELLIST,
there you can type over the file information.? In FULIST/FLIST
here was/is an empty area in which to type the command to
execute, and you had to hit a PF-key to extend that command area
The FULIST/FLIST layout was? ? <filename filetype fm>
<empty zone>? ?<file attributes like date/time ets>
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Kris Buelens
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Re: Oh FULIST, Where Have You Gone?
FULIST and FLIST are quite similar.? The first look was identical.
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As end-user you need some adaption to migrate to FIELLIST, there you can type over the file information.? In FULIST/FLIST here was/is an empty area in which to type the command to execute, and you had to hit a PF-key to extend that command area
The FULIST/FLIST layout was? ? <filename filetype fm> <empty zone>? ?<file attributes like date/time ets>
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Kris Buelens
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The following items have been added to the Files area of the [email protected] group.
By: petermstockdill@...
Description:
Some current IBM PDF publications at https://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/*
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Re: Oh FULIST, Where Have You Gone?
On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 10:26 AM, Dave Wade wrote:
It seems to me that every VM Programmer had their own favourite tweaked version of these utilities....
What's the use and where's the fun in being a VM Programmer if you can't tweak the utilities to your liking ;-)
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I guess this means that FILELIST is closer to FULIST than FLIST is, and I'll stop looking/asking.
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Thanks folks! Another rabbit hole filled in.
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Re: Oh FULIST, Where Have You Gone?
On 06/04/2025 16:12, kris.buelens via groups.io wrote: FULIST was the IBM "Internal Use Only" version of what later became FLIST as part of VM/IPF, what later became CMS Utilities Feature.? Besides the name there were small differences, but that I no longer remember.
Anyhow: I prefer FILELIST as that brings the power of XEDIT in the list (like the ability of using ALL /xxx/) and then for example "EXECUTE * mycommand" It seems to me that every VM Programmer had their own favourite tweaked version of these utilities.... Dave
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Re: Oh FULIST, Where Have You Gone?
FULIST was the IBM "Internal Use Only" version of what later became FLIST as part of VM/IPF, what later became CMS Utilities Feature.? Besides the name there were small differences, but that I no longer remember.
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Anyhow: I prefer FILELIST as that brings the power of XEDIT in the list (like the ability of using ALL /xxx/) and then for example "EXECUTE * mycommand"
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Re: Oh FULIST, Where Have You Gone?
Never heard of Fulist. Are you thinking about Flist? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark A. Stevens via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2025 5:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [h390-vm] Oh FULIST, Where Have You Gone?? I have seen references to FULIST, and how wonderful it was. Does anyone have anything, more than yearnings for it, such as screen shots, documentation, or horrors, code?
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Re: Oh FULIST, Where Have You Gone?
Martin Scheffler was working on RDRLIST and FULIST, [email protected] | EE goes XEDIT - testing new features ? description of FLIST e.g. here:
? best regards Mike ? ? ? ? I have seen references to FULIST, and how wonderful it was. Does anyone have anything, more than yearnings for it, such as screen shots, documentation, or horrors, code?
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Oh FULIST, Where Have You Gone?
I have seen references to FULIST, and how wonderful it was.
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Does anyone have anything, more than yearnings for it, such as screen shots, documentation, or horrors, code?
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Thanks In Advance.
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Hi Jean-Pierre,
I had downloaded all files previously identified and removed all
duplicates. Now I have compared those with your list. There are a
few errors in the list.
File ich1a421.pdf has a duplicate, it's listed twice.
Files a7604060.pdf asmtic21.pdf bpxza5b0.pdf e0z2n110.pdf
f1ah2031.pdf iea3r100.pdf ifc5g101.pdf are missing, though it
looks like a few are actually duplicates, at least according to
the title.
a7604060.pdf GA76-0406-00 z/VM V5R2.0 Summary for Automated
Installation and Service (DVD Installation)
asmtic21.pdf GC26-8711-06 High Level Assembler for z/OS & z/VM
& z/VSE R6 Toolkit Feature Installation and Customization
Guide
bpxza5b0.pdf SA22-7802-13 z/OS V1R12 UNIX System Services Command
Reference
e0z2n110.pdf GA22-7501-01 Hot Topics issue 5 August 2001
f1ah2031.pdf SC31-8563-04 OS390 IBM Communications Server V2 R10
SNA Network Implementation Guide
iea3r100.pdf SA22-7603-00 z/OS V2R1 MVS Product Management
ifc5g101.pdf GC35-0151-01 EREP R3.5.0 (Ennvironmental Record
Editing and Printing program) User's Guide
The Hot Topics do have a document number, please find the list
here:
e0z1nl00.pdf??? GA22-7431-00 Hot Topics Issue 1 August 1999
e0z1nl01.pdf??? GA22-7431-01 Hot Topics Issue 24 February 2011
e0z1nl02.pdf??? GA22-7431-02 Hot Topics Issue 3 August 2000
e0z2n100.pdf??? GA22-7501-00 zOS V1R1.0 Hot Topics Newsletter
e0z2n110.pdf??? GA22-7501-01 Hot Topics issue 5 August 2001
e0z2n120.pdf??? GA22-7501-02 Hot Topics Issue 6 February 2002
e0z2n130.pdf??? GA22-7501-03 Hot Topics Issue 7 August 2002
e0z2n132.pdf??? GA22-7501-05 Hot Topics Issue 9 August 2003
e0z2n140.pdf??? GA22-7501-06 Hot Topics Issue 10 February 2004
e0z2n150.pdf??? GA22-7501-07 Hot Topics Issue 11 August 2004
e0z2n151.pdf??? GA22-7501-08 Hot Topics Issue 12 February 2005
e0z2n160.pdf??? GA22-7501-09 Hot Topics Issue 13 August 2005
e0z2n161.pdf??? GA22-7501-10 Hot Topics Issue 14 February 2006
e0z2n170.pdf??? GA22-7501-11 Hot Topics Issue 15 August 2006
e0z2n171.pdf??? GA22-7501-12 Hot Topics Issue 16 February 2007
e0z2n180.pdf??? GA22-7501-13 Hot Topics Issue 17 August 2007
e0z2n181.pdf??? GA22-7501-14 Hot Topics Issue 18 February 2008
e0z2n190.pdf??? GA22-7501-15 Hot Topics Issue 19 August 2008
e0z2n191.pdf??? GA22-7501-16 Hot Topics Issue 20 March 2009
e0z2n1a0.pdf??? GA22-7501-17 Hot Topics Issue 21 August 2009
e0z2n1a1.pdf??? GA22-7501-18 Hot Topics Issue 22 March 2010
e0z2nl04.pdf??? GA22-7501-01 Hot Topics Issue 5 August 2001
e0z2nl08.pdf??? GA22-7501-04 Hot Topics Issue 8 February 2003
Looking for the Document number for "IBM BookManager BookServer
for WWW" I couldn't find the number. But I did get a hit for this
title in a zOS V1R10 Planning manual at
. So looks like
we might also want to list publibfp as well, it's similar to
publibz.
Regards, Berry.
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The following items have been added to the Files area of the
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Description:
IBM Boulder documentation catalog (HTML and CSV) and REXX
translator
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Mark A. Stevens
Stefan A. Haubenthal
Martin Scheffler