Re: 3270 printers under VM
There wasn't a use for @ in addresses at the time.? IIRC the @ sign was even defined as chardel, in linemode that is.? Dates from typewrite times.? When you'd type an @, the preceding character was ignored.? In some release the default SYSTEM CONFIG turned LINEDEL and CHARDEL OFF
One could send a message to another VM system using the TELL EXEC? ?
? ?TELL myfriend AT otherVM hello
Or, use the native RSCS commands
? ?CP SMSG RSCS MSG otherVM myfriend hello
The TELL EXEC consulted also "userid NAMES" so your addressee could even be a list of people or a nickname; transparently on the same VM system or via RSCS to a remote VM system
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Kris Buelens
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Re: 3270 printers under VM
On 6/10/24 16:41, Tony Harminc wrote: Speaking of VMS (not a typo) and RSCS, whatever happened to JNET from Joiner Associates? It ran on VMS and talked NJE to RSCS (or JES2 NJE). Does the company or the product still exist - surely not...? Looks as though there is some doc on the moshix github claiming in 1992 it was from "Wingra Technologies", which I'd never heard of.
Of course I realize there have been several modern implementations of the NJE protocols for various platforms, but is there one for VMS? There were several implementations for VMS. JNET in particular has been recovered, and some people have succeeded, recently, in getting it running. We'll be working on it at LSSM likely later this week. FWIW I'd never heard of Wingra Technologies either, but that name is what's in the JNET documentation, for at least v3.5. There was another implementation, by a university in Israel. That one has been recovered as well. The redoubtable Moshix has ported it to Linux. I've not yet tried it out. Definitely interesting stuff. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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Re: 3270 printers under VM
? ?Whereas I, coming from other areas of the industry (DEC, Cray, Sun)
am just now learning these simple things in the IBM world.? Man RSCS is
powerful.
? ?You can always come over to LSSM to "scratch the itch" if you like.
Real iron, up and running.
? ?I see below that I mentioned "get VMS to be able to print"...So that
was probably my fingers autocorrecting CMS to VMS, as I type "VMS" a lot
more often than I type "CMS"!? There should've been laws against
products in the industry with such similar names. ;)
Speaking of VMS (not a typo) and RSCS, whatever
happened to JNET from Joiner Associates? It ran on VMS and talked NJE
to RSCS (or JES2 NJE). Does the company or the product still exist -
surely not...? Looks as though there is some doc on the moshix github
claiming in 1992 it was from "Wingra Technologies", which I'd never
heard of.
Of course I realize there have been
several modern implementations of the NJE protocols for various
platforms, but is there one for VMS?
Tony H.?
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Re: 3270 printers under VM
On Mon 10 Jun 2024 at 12:28:25 -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: Whereas I, coming from other areas of the industry (DEC, Cray, Sun) am
just now learning these simple things in the IBM world. Man RSCS is
powerful. smsg rscs msg relay@hearn Hello World! or something like that, to send a message to the Interchat Relay Network... something I spent a lot of time on in my student years... Or maybe it was smsg rscs tell relay at hearn Hello World! or something in between. Who knows... -Olaf. -- ___ Olaf 'Rhialto' Seibert <rhialto/at/falu.nl> \X/ There is no AI. There is just someone else's work. --I. Rose
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Re: 3270 printers under VM
Whereas I, coming from other areas of the industry (DEC, Cray, Sun) am just now learning these simple things in the IBM world. Man RSCS is powerful.
You can always come over to LSSM to "scratch the itch" if you like. Real iron, up and running.
I see below that I mentioned "get VMS to be able to print"...So that was probably my fingers autocorrecting CMS to VMS, as I type "VMS" a lot more often than I type "CMS"! There should've been laws against products in the industry with such similar names. ;)
-Dave
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On 6/9/24 21:14, Jim Snellen wrote: Dave,
Thanks for the details on getting the printer defined to RSCS.? I worked with RSCS many. many years ago, on a VM/HPO system running a 4381.? I have forgotten how to do simple things!? Miss those days. . . ??
Jim
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*Subject:* Re: [h390-vm] 3270 printers under VM
?? So as I stated earlier, the missing link was that I needed to go
through RSCS.? Getting it running couldn't be simpler:
attach 0563 to rscs
smsg rscs define lp type 3270p line 0563
smsg rscs start lp
?? This is runtime configuration and will not persist until added to
RSCS CONFIG on RSCS' 191 disk.
?? Then, to print a file:
spool prt rscs
tag dev prt lp
print <fn> <ft> <fm>
?? This is under VM/ESA on an ES/9000 with a 3287-emulating printer
attached to a 3174 addressed at 0563.
?? Works great.? Thanks to all who responded and pointed me in the right
direction, publicly and privately.? I appreciate your time and expertise.
??????????????? Thanks,
??????????????? -Dave
On 6/9/24 07:54, Dave McGuire wrote:
? ? No, I meant VM/ESA, but I do want to print from CMS.
? ? Apparently the way to do this is via RSCS; that was the missing link I was looking for.? Thanks!
? ???????????? -Dave
On 6/9/24 04:31, Dave Wade wrote:
Dave,
I assume you mean VM/CMS? From what I remember VM does not consider 3270
printers as Printers so the only way to print out of the box is with the PF
copy key.
I don't have ESA running so I can't check if even that still works in ESA
CMS.
On the Waterloo Tape there is a utility PRT328X that runs in a VM and
accepts files and prints to such a printer, but I am not sure if it works in
VM/ESA.
I believe the RSCS program product also supports 3270 printers.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2024 2:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [h390-vm] 3270 printers under VM
?? (specifically VM/ESA)
?? Can anyone shed some light on what it takes to get VMS to be able to print to a
3270-connected printer, say a 3287?? I failed around the help panels for a while
today and I don't think I got very close.? Any assistance would be greatly
appreciated.
??????????????????????? Thanks,
????????????????????????? -Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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New Kensington, PA
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on SAA [was: Re: Sending command output to the stack in VM/370]
Recently I joined this group, and read about SAA defunct, and OS/2 implementation, etc.
(somewhat off-topic) I seem to remember that around 1994 I got involved in the then-new SAP R/3. It struck me that client/server communication errors were labeled CPICnnn, hinting at the Common Programming Interface for Commmunication, a part of SAA I knew from the late eighties. The user screen layout seemed very much to adhere tot CUA guidelines, another part of SAA. By 2005 these characteristics were still there in SAP, might even survive today. OS/2 was gone by 2005 ;-(
To conclude: there was/is an SAA aplication: it's called SAP.
As a software archaeotect I like to recover these things while being retired.
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Re: 3270 printers under VM
Dave,
Thanks for the details on getting the printer defined to RSCS.? I worked with RSCS many. many years ago, on a VM/HPO system running a 4381.? I have forgotten how to do simple things!? Miss those days. . . ??
Jim
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?? So as I stated earlier, the missing link was that I needed to go
through RSCS.? Getting it running couldn't be simpler:
attach 0563 to rscs
smsg rscs define lp type 3270p line 0563
smsg rscs start lp
?? This is runtime configuration and will not persist until added to
RSCS CONFIG on RSCS' 191 disk.
?? Then, to print a file:
spool prt rscs
tag dev prt lp
print <fn> <ft> <fm>
?? This is under VM/ESA on an ES/9000 with a 3287-emulating printer
attached to a 3174 addressed at 0563.
?? Works great.? Thanks to all who responded and pointed me in the right
direction, publicly and privately.? I appreciate your time and expertise.
??????????????? Thanks,
??????????????? -Dave
On 6/9/24 07:54, Dave McGuire wrote:
>
>? ? No, I meant VM/ESA, but I do want to print from CMS.
>
>? ? Apparently the way to do this is via RSCS; that was the missing link
> I was looking for.? Thanks!
>
>? ???????????? -Dave
>
> On 6/9/24 04:31, Dave Wade wrote:
>> Dave,
>>
>> I assume you mean VM/CMS? From what I remember VM does not consider 3270
>> printers as Printers so the only way to print out of the box is with
>> the PF
>> copy key.
>> I don't have ESA running so I can't check if even that still works in ESA
>> CMS.
>> On the Waterloo Tape there is a utility PRT328X that runs in a VM and
>> accepts files and prints to such a printer, but I am not sure if it
>> works in
>> VM/ESA.
>> I believe the RSCS program product also supports 3270 printers.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
>>> via groups.io
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2024 2:03 AM
>>> To: [email protected]
>>> Subject: [h390-vm] 3270 printers under VM
>>>
>>>
>>> ?? (specifically VM/ESA)
>>>
>>> ?? Can anyone shed some light on what it takes to get VMS to be able to
>> print to a
>>> 3270-connected printer, say a 3287?? I failed around the help panels
>>> for a
>> while
>>> today and I don't think I got very close.? Any assistance would be
>>> greatly
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> ??????????????????????? Thanks,
>>> ????????????????????????? -Dave
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
>>> New Kensington, PA
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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Re: 3270 printers under VM
So as I stated earlier, the missing link was that I needed to go through RSCS. Getting it running couldn't be simpler:
attach 0563 to rscs
smsg rscs define lp type 3270p line 0563
smsg rscs start lp
This is runtime configuration and will not persist until added to RSCS CONFIG on RSCS' 191 disk.
Then, to print a file:
spool prt rscs
tag dev prt lp
print <fn> <ft> <fm>
This is under VM/ESA on an ES/9000 with a 3287-emulating printer attached to a 3174 addressed at 0563.
Works great. Thanks to all who responded and pointed me in the right direction, publicly and privately. I appreciate your time and expertise.
Thanks,
-Dave
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On 6/9/24 07:54, Dave McGuire wrote: ? No, I meant VM/ESA, but I do want to print from CMS.
? Apparently the way to do this is via RSCS; that was the missing link I was looking for.? Thanks!
???????????? -Dave
On 6/9/24 04:31, Dave Wade wrote:
Dave,
I assume you mean VM/CMS? From what I remember VM does not consider 3270
printers as Printers so the only way to print out of the box is with the PF
copy key.
I don't have ESA running so I can't check if even that still works in ESA
CMS.
On the Waterloo Tape there is a utility PRT328X that runs in a VM and
accepts files and prints to such a printer, but I am not sure if it works in
VM/ESA.
I believe the RSCS program product also supports 3270 printers.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2024 2:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [h390-vm] 3270 printers under VM
?? (specifically VM/ESA)
?? Can anyone shed some light on what it takes to get VMS to be able to print to a
3270-connected printer, say a 3287?? I failed around the help panels for a while
today and I don't think I got very close.? Any assistance would be greatly
appreciated.
??????????????????????? Thanks,
????????????????????????? -Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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Re: 3270 printers under VM
No, I meant VM/ESA, but I do want to print from CMS.
Apparently the way to do this is via RSCS; that was the missing link I was looking for. Thanks!
-Dave
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On 6/9/24 04:31, Dave Wade wrote: Dave,
I assume you mean VM/CMS? From what I remember VM does not consider 3270
printers as Printers so the only way to print out of the box is with the PF
copy key.
I don't have ESA running so I can't check if even that still works in ESA
CMS.
On the Waterloo Tape there is a utility PRT328X that runs in a VM and
accepts files and prints to such a printer, but I am not sure if it works in
VM/ESA.
I believe the RSCS program product also supports 3270 printers.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2024 2:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [h390-vm] 3270 printers under VM
(specifically VM/ESA)
Can anyone shed some light on what it takes to get VMS to be able to print to a
3270-connected printer, say a 3287? I failed around the help panels for a while
today and I don't think I got very close. Any assistance would be greatly
appreciated.
Thanks,
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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Re: 3270 printers under VM
Dave,
I assume you mean VM/CMS? From what I remember VM does not consider 3270
printers as Printers so the only way to print out of the box is with the PF
copy key.
I don't have ESA running so I can't check if even that still works in ESA
CMS.
On the Waterloo Tape there is a utility PRT328X that runs in a VM and
accepts files and prints to such a printer, but I am not sure if it works in
VM/ESA.
I believe the RSCS program product also supports 3270 printers.
Dave
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Dave McGuire
via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2024 2:03 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [h390-vm] 3270 printers under VM
(specifically VM/ESA)
Can anyone shed some light on what it takes to get VMS to be able to print to a 3270-connected printer, say a 3287? I failed around the help panels for a while today and I don't think I got very close. Any assistance would be greatly
appreciated.
Thanks,
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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(specifically VM/ESA)
Can anyone shed some light on what it takes to get VMS to be able to print to a 3270-connected printer, say a 3287? I failed around the help panels for a while today and I don't think I got very close. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire, AK4HZ
New Kensington, PA
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I remember when we lost Dick Goran (CFS Neveda, REXX books, programs, etc).? It is so sad when we lose a leader.
Bertram Moshier WB8ERT
I am deeply saddened to hear of Bob's passing. He was a brilliant mind and a passionate advocate for the S/370 VM project. I was fortunate to have collaborated with him, albeit remotely. Bob was always eager to teach, learn, and share a laugh, even when things got frustrating. He will be greatly missed by all who knew him.
Adrian
On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 at 00:57, Ross Patterson via <ross.patterson= [email protected]> wrote: I bring sad tidings.??
Long-time VMer, SHARE VM stalwart, and member of this group Bob Bolch passed away on May 19th.? Bob's brother Mike informed me that he died from an aggressive cancer.? Bob had a kidney transplant 19 years ago, and had been on the requisite immunosuppressive drug regimen ever since, which?allowed the cancer to get hold and take over very quickly.
Bob was one of the early inductees to the Knights of VM, as "Sir Robert the Guardian".? He worked for many years as one of the leading VM folks at the SAS Institute, and later worked with me at Sterling Software's VM Software Division.? Over the last few years, as some of you are aware, Bob was involved in and managed several releases of the VM/370 Community Edition.
Ross?
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I am deeply saddened to hear of Bob's passing. He was a brilliant mind and a passionate advocate for the S/370 VM project. I was fortunate to have collaborated with him, albeit remotely. Bob was always eager to teach, learn, and share a laugh, even when things got frustrating. He will be greatly missed by all who knew him.
Adrian
On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 at 00:57, Ross Patterson via <ross.patterson= [email protected]> wrote: I bring sad tidings.??
Long-time VMer, SHARE VM stalwart, and member of this group Bob Bolch passed away on May 19th.? Bob's brother Mike informed me that he died from an aggressive cancer.? Bob had a kidney transplant 19 years ago, and had been on the requisite immunosuppressive drug regimen ever since, which?allowed the cancer to get hold and take over very quickly.
Bob was one of the early inductees to the Knights of VM, as "Sir Robert the Guardian".? He worked for many years as one of the leading VM folks at the SAS Institute, and later worked with me at Sterling Software's VM Software Division.? Over the last few years, as some of you are aware, Bob was involved in and managed several releases of the VM/370 Community Edition.
Ross?
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On Mon, Jun 3, 2024 at 03:57 AM, Dave Wade wrote:
Can we arrange any kind of group tribute or memorial?
We do have a small wiki here, where we could put up a memorials page. ?... Mark S.
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Thanks for lettings us know Ross... ? Sounds like he definitely gave cancer a huge fight over the years! ?
Bob was definitely a sharp guy and huge contributor to the VM Community.? May he rest in peace! ?
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Thanks for lettings us know Ross... ? Sounds like he definitely gave cancer a huge fight over the years! ?
Bob was definitely a sharp guy and huge contributor to the VM Community. ?May he rest in peace! ?
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So sorry to hear. His contributions will be his legacy, and we will all remember him fondly.?
On Monday, June 3, 2024, 11:04 AM, Drew Derbyshire <swhobbit@...> wrote: Sad news.
From the LCM+L VM image log message:
2020-05-11
. APL\360 is now installed thanks to Bob Bolsh. Use an APL-enabled
. terminal emulator and run APL360. ("x3270 -efont 3270 -apl"
. does nicely.)
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Sad news.
From the LCM+L VM image log message:
2020-05-11
. APL\360 is now installed thanks to Bob Bolsh. Use an APL-enabled
. terminal emulator and run APL360. ("x3270 -efont 3270 -apl"
. does nicely.)
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Re: Help me remember, please
On 6/3/24 10:36, Tony Harminc wrote: These days many (most?) companies have strict rules on who can accept lunch from whom, and even who can have a meeting with any kind of vendor rep. Yeah, but that's because upper management wants to keep all the bribes for themselves. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA
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Re: Help me remember, please
On Mon, 3 Jun 2024 at 03:25, Bertram Moshier via <herc370390vm= [email protected]> wrote: While I was the lead systems programmer at OCF Research Facility, my boss and I went to lunch with a salesperson who was trying to sell us a drum (2305, I thought).? This would have been 1981 and 1982.?
The 2305 was a fixed-head disk, but many people called it a drum. The early 1980s would have been quite late in the game for buying a 2305. I'd guess what you were being sold was a solid state replacement of one sort or another (remember bubble memory?) - there were two or three companies who started offering these around that time.
I remember because I made a faux pas by showing my desire for a drum unit.? I didn't realize we were there for a free lunch and yes, a sales pitch, but mostly the free lunch.
Drum unit as in the musical kit...? ?
It was my last "free lunch" from a salesperson until Amdahl tried selling a 470 to Cray Research, Inc.
These days many (most?) companies have strict rules on who can accept lunch from whom, and even who can have a meeting with any kind of vendor rep.
Tony H.
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Dave McGuire
Jim Snellen
Mark A. Stevens
Mike Gro?mann