Re: Oh FULIST, Where Have You Gone?
On 06/04/2025 16:12, kris.buelens via groups.io wrote: FULIST was the IBM "Internal Use Only" version of what later became FLIST as part of VM/IPF, what later became CMS Utilities Feature.? Besides the name there were small differences, but that I no longer remember.
Anyhow: I prefer FILELIST as that brings the power of XEDIT in the list (like the ability of using ALL /xxx/) and then for example "EXECUTE * mycommand" It seems to me that every VM Programmer had their own favourite tweaked version of these utilities.... Dave
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Re: Oh FULIST, Where Have You Gone?
FULIST was the IBM "Internal Use Only" version of what later became FLIST as part of VM/IPF, what later became CMS Utilities Feature.? Besides the name there were small differences, but that I no longer remember.
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Anyhow: I prefer FILELIST as that brings the power of XEDIT in the list (like the ability of using ALL /xxx/) and then for example "EXECUTE * mycommand"
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Re: Oh FULIST, Where Have You Gone?
Never heard of Fulist. Are you thinking about Flist? ?
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Subject: [h390-vm] Oh FULIST, Where Have You Gone?? I have seen references to FULIST, and how wonderful it was. Does anyone have anything, more than yearnings for it, such as screen shots, documentation, or horrors, code?
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Re: Oh FULIST, Where Have You Gone?
Martin Scheffler was working on RDRLIST and FULIST, [email protected] | EE goes XEDIT - testing new features ? description of FLIST e.g. here:
? best regards Mike ? ? ? ? I have seen references to FULIST, and how wonderful it was. Does anyone have anything, more than yearnings for it, such as screen shots, documentation, or horrors, code?
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Oh FULIST, Where Have You Gone?
I have seen references to FULIST, and how wonderful it was.
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Does anyone have anything, more than yearnings for it, such as screen shots, documentation, or horrors, code?
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Thanks In Advance.
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?... Mark S.
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Hi Jean-Pierre,
I had downloaded all files previously identified and removed all
duplicates. Now I have compared those with your list. There are a
few errors in the list.
File ich1a421.pdf has a duplicate, it's listed twice.
Files a7604060.pdf asmtic21.pdf bpxza5b0.pdf e0z2n110.pdf
f1ah2031.pdf iea3r100.pdf ifc5g101.pdf are missing, though it
looks like a few are actually duplicates, at least according to
the title.
a7604060.pdf GA76-0406-00 z/VM V5R2.0 Summary for Automated
Installation and Service (DVD Installation)
asmtic21.pdf GC26-8711-06 High Level Assembler for z/OS & z/VM
& z/VSE R6 Toolkit Feature Installation and Customization
Guide
bpxza5b0.pdf SA22-7802-13 z/OS V1R12 UNIX System Services Command
Reference
e0z2n110.pdf GA22-7501-01 Hot Topics issue 5 August 2001
f1ah2031.pdf SC31-8563-04 OS390 IBM Communications Server V2 R10
SNA Network Implementation Guide
iea3r100.pdf SA22-7603-00 z/OS V2R1 MVS Product Management
ifc5g101.pdf GC35-0151-01 EREP R3.5.0 (Ennvironmental Record
Editing and Printing program) User's Guide
The Hot Topics do have a document number, please find the list
here:
e0z1nl00.pdf??? GA22-7431-00 Hot Topics Issue 1 August 1999
e0z1nl01.pdf??? GA22-7431-01 Hot Topics Issue 24 February 2011
e0z1nl02.pdf??? GA22-7431-02 Hot Topics Issue 3 August 2000
e0z2n100.pdf??? GA22-7501-00 zOS V1R1.0 Hot Topics Newsletter
e0z2n110.pdf??? GA22-7501-01 Hot Topics issue 5 August 2001
e0z2n120.pdf??? GA22-7501-02 Hot Topics Issue 6 February 2002
e0z2n130.pdf??? GA22-7501-03 Hot Topics Issue 7 August 2002
e0z2n132.pdf??? GA22-7501-05 Hot Topics Issue 9 August 2003
e0z2n140.pdf??? GA22-7501-06 Hot Topics Issue 10 February 2004
e0z2n150.pdf??? GA22-7501-07 Hot Topics Issue 11 August 2004
e0z2n151.pdf??? GA22-7501-08 Hot Topics Issue 12 February 2005
e0z2n160.pdf??? GA22-7501-09 Hot Topics Issue 13 August 2005
e0z2n161.pdf??? GA22-7501-10 Hot Topics Issue 14 February 2006
e0z2n170.pdf??? GA22-7501-11 Hot Topics Issue 15 August 2006
e0z2n171.pdf??? GA22-7501-12 Hot Topics Issue 16 February 2007
e0z2n180.pdf??? GA22-7501-13 Hot Topics Issue 17 August 2007
e0z2n181.pdf??? GA22-7501-14 Hot Topics Issue 18 February 2008
e0z2n190.pdf??? GA22-7501-15 Hot Topics Issue 19 August 2008
e0z2n191.pdf??? GA22-7501-16 Hot Topics Issue 20 March 2009
e0z2n1a0.pdf??? GA22-7501-17 Hot Topics Issue 21 August 2009
e0z2n1a1.pdf??? GA22-7501-18 Hot Topics Issue 22 March 2010
e0z2nl04.pdf??? GA22-7501-01 Hot Topics Issue 5 August 2001
e0z2nl08.pdf??? GA22-7501-04 Hot Topics Issue 8 February 2003
Looking for the Document number for "IBM BookManager BookServer
for WWW" I couldn't find the number. But I did get a hit for this
title in a zOS V1R10 Planning manual at
. So looks like
we might also want to list publibfp as well, it's similar to
publibz.
Regards, Berry.
Op 02-04-2025 om 14:18 schreef Group
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By: Jean-Pierre Cabanié <jean-pierre@...>
Description:
IBM Boulder documentation catalog (HTML and CSV) and REXX
translator
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Hi Stefan,?
Thanks for the hints. I used Rexx a lot (since VM/SP3 on a 4341
to the abandon of OS/2) [Then I switched to Java in order to avoid
Windows even if my shop was using it) and since my retirement, I
have played with lua (quite nice) so my rexx skills are quite
rusted.
My discovery of Hercules and the ability (mailny due to René
Ferland so kind help) of having a vm-esa working machine will
certainly help me in re-mastering language.
Thanks again. have a nice day
Jean-Pierre
Le 03/04/2025 à 14:52, Stefan A.
Haubenthal via groups.io a écrit?:
Hi Jean-Pierre,
Just two hints:
#!/usr/bin/env rexx
makes your script more portable
Do l = 1 while lines(csvFile) > 0
is a short form of your condition
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3.13 on macOS
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Hi Jean-Pierre,
Just two hints:
#!/usr/bin/env rexx
makes your script more portable
Do l = 1 while lines(csvFile) > 0
is a short form of your condition
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VM/370 CE V1R1.2, Hercules 3.13 on macOS
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Alas, it was far from perfect. I've enhanced the results (finding
out all the titles I could and doing my best for finding was
hidden before 8 letters ones and then sort on the documents
numbers and remove the duplicate entry. And as I'm not fully
satisfied with the results, I thought that each of us would find a
need for some improvement.?
Formerly, I used the lua language (easy to handle bunches of line
and providing a good json interface) I thought that it would be
more suitable to use a language we all share : REXX.? My lua
program generated a csv file (easily modifed, handled with
libreoddice-calc like programs [who said Excel ?]? or a plain text
editor where the url, the document number and the title on every
document are on one line separated by a tab (x09) character.
The csv2html file is just a way to transform the contents of the
csv file into a table displayed by any web browser. It is not a
state of the art program just a tool cvs2html ibmdocs.csv cat.html
will produce a cat.html file identical to the catalog.html which
is in the zip file. Warning The output file is not erased by the
program. you may end up with a double size catalog, the new
version of it being at the end of the file. (it is also a way to
have a table with the MVS entries, then one with VM, JES, JES2,
JES3 ...
Just keep the imbdocs.csv file in a safe place and do whatever
you wish .
Enjoy !
Tanks again for the deep knowledge you make available for
everybody
Jean-Pierre Cabanié
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Le 30/03/2025 à 05:21, Fish Fish via
groups.io a écrit?:
PERFECT!
THANK YOU, René!
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The following items have been added to the Files area of the [email protected] group.
By: Jean-Pierre Cabanié <jean-pierre@...>
Description:
IBM Boulder documentation catalog (HTML and CSV) and REXX translator
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Dear h390-vm ?followers,
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Till Winkler is currently conducting a survey on the usage of REXX.
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If you are using REXX, please participate and forward this link:
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The results will be presented on the REXX symposium in Vienna in May.
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Thank you & best regards
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Mike
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I'm really sorry, but a typo in the program missing.lua made some
entries undetected and hence the html output René Ferland uploaded
for me a few days ago was not 100% correct.? I'm currently working
on a new set of tools that will (I hope) not only be bug-free but
produce a better looking html output (a table instead of a list).
Please accept my most sincere apologies for this poor
contribution.
Jean-Pierre Cabanié (a bit ashamed)
Le 30/03/2025 à 21:57, Andre via
groups.io a écrit?:
On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 10:35 PM, René Ferland wrote:
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Waterloo SCRIPT is available on VM/370 CE, type "help
script". The manual is in SCRIPT LISTING U.
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Cheers,
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Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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P.S. -- I remember using SCRIPT on MUSIC/SP for course
material when I taught Fortran and SAS back in 1982.
Wow!! This is so cool! I will definitely try it out!
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Thanks, Rene!
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On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 10:35 PM, René Ferland wrote:
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Waterloo SCRIPT is available on VM/370 CE, type "help script". The manual is in SCRIPT LISTING U.
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Cheers,
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Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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P.S. -- I remember using SCRIPT on MUSIC/SP for course material when I taught Fortran and SAS back in 1982.
Wow!! This is so cool! I will definitely try it out!
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Thanks, Rene!
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On Sun, Mar 30, 2025 at 12:30 PM, Andre wrote:
Is there SCRIPT/VS foreground processor for MVS 3.8 or VM/370 by any chance?
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Waterloo SCRIPT is available on VM/370 CE, type "help script". The manual is in SCRIPT LISTING U.
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Cheers,
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Rene FERLAND, Montreal
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P.S. -- I remember using SCRIPT on MUSIC/SP for course material when I taught Fortran and SAS back in 1982.
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Thank you, Ross! Very interesting info.
Is there SCRIPT/VS foreground processor for MVS 3.8 or VM/370 by any chance?
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Best wishes,
Andre
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What program IBM used in 1970s and 1980s to prepare, format and typeset those docs??
I know that UNIX crowd usually used something like TROFF or NROFF, then TeX.
But I doubt that IBM didn't have their own software for this task.
IBM did indeed have its own software for this task.? And it made it available to their customers, for a fee, of course.? The core was the IBM "SCRIPT" product,?sold under several names,?but most-lately "Document Composition Facility" (DCF).??
SCRIPT was inspired by the ur-formatter, RUNOFF[1], which ran on MIT's Compatible Time Sharing System (CTSS), and goes back to the late 1960s.? Soon afterward, some IBM'ers built a set of SCRIPT macros and a pre-processor to support writing documents in Generalized Markup Language[2].? IBM released that work as the "GML Starter Set" for SCRIPT/VS.? Internally, it continued to develop the markup language and came up with what was eventually?released to customers as "BookMaster", a fully-fledged book composition and formatting system.? The ".BOO" files that we've been discussing were produced as one form of BookManager output (it could also do text-only, fully-typeset, etc.).? IBM also released a set of programs that read those files, called "BookManager", and even a free version called "IBM Library Reader" for OS/2 and Windows, that could read documents specially "stamped" for it.
In the 1990s, as HTML[3] took off, Gary Richtmeyer, of IBM and later AT&T, wrote "B2H", a BookMaster-to-HTML converter that did a great job of putting BookMaster books on the web (from the source form, not the .BOO files).? That code was released freely and runs today just fine on VM/SP and later (I haven't tried it on VM/370 yet), OS/2, Windows, Linux (and other unices), and MVS (and presumably z/OS).
Ross
[1] RUNOFF was also the inspiration for roff,?the original Unix formatter. [2] GML was the inspiration for XML. [3] GML was also the inspiration for HTML.
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I have a strange question, but maybe someone here knows the answer.
What program IBM used in 1970s and 1980s to prepare, format and typeset those docs??
I know that UNIX crowd usually used something like TROFF or NROFF, then TeX.
But I doubt that IBM didn't have their own software for this task.
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Best wishes,
Andre
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[...] By: René Ferland <ferland.rene@...>
Description:
Yet another program (by Jean-Pierre Cabanié) that convert the JSON file of
Jon Templin to a HTML file. The HTML output is included in the ZIP. PERFECT! THANK YOU, René! -- "Fish" (David B. Trout) Software Development Laboratories mail: fish@...
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The following items have been added to the Files area of the [email protected] group.
By: René Ferland <ferland.rene@...>
Description:
Yet another program (by Jean-Pierre Cabanié) that convert the JSON file of Jon Templin to a HTML file. The HTML output is included in the ZIP.
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Re: IBM Documentation Hidden At IBM
On Sat, Mar 29, 2025 at 07:41 AM, Ken Dreger wrote:
Would you mind posting the code for your JSON effort here? Maybe some of us can take a look at it and figure a way to make it work different??
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The code is a .NET 8 console app written in C# and developed with Visual Studio 2022 under Windows. It makes use of the PdfPig NuGet package to parse the PDFs.
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The input file with the list of URLs is included with the project. The longest time taken by the app is fetching each PDF off the internet. On my i5-8400 dev box, it takes about 40 minutes to run all the files.
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Take what's useful "as-is".
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Jon T.
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Mark A. Stevens
Jean-Pierre Cabanié
Stefan A. Haubenthal
René Ferland