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Hello! I’ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women’s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they’ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things are very challenging right now… ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don’t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it’s just a reality.)
?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data. ?Do we think Zoom has planned another tier of “more secure” accounts? Does anyone have any insights??
Many thanks! Catherine
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Hi Catherine
Zoom is responding to these security issues. Here is an article that has an updated version of it all -?
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Hello! I’ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women’s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they’ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things are very challenging right now… ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don’t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it’s just a reality.)
?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data. ?Do we think Zoom has planned another tier of “more secure” accounts? Does anyone have any insights??
Many thanks! Catherine
Catherine Borgman-Arboleda
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Hi Catherine,
This was just published today, it talks about the changes Zoom is making, they are definitely taking the security issues seriously and working to address them??Zoom is posting information about updates etc. on their website, so you can take a look and see what else is there and that might be helpful.
Hopefully that helps address at least some of your and your client’s concerns.?
Best Regards, Stephanie?
Stephanie Barnes
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Hello! I’ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women’s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they’ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things are very challenging right now… ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don’t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it’s just a reality.)
?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data. ?Do we think Zoom has planned another tier of “more secure” accounts? Does anyone have any insights??
Many thanks! Catherine
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Thanks both to you and Bev.. I wonder why the fund members were saying that when they deleted the zoom desk top app and to access through the web link (which is recommended in the articles for increased security) they were asked by zoom to download the app again, and couldn’t just access by the weblink…hmm.. to explore more I guess.
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Hi Catherine,
This was just published today, it talks about the changes Zoom is making, they are definitely taking the security issues seriously and working to address them??Zoom is posting information about updates etc. on their website, so you can take a look and see what else is there and that might be helpful.
Hopefully that helps address at least some of your and your client’s concerns.?
Best Regards, Stephanie?
Stephanie Barnes
Chief Catalyst
Entelechy
+49 (0)179 854 8376
Hello! I’ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women’s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they’ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things are very challenging right now… ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don’t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it’s just a reality.)
?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data. ?Do we think Zoom has planned another tier of “more secure” accounts? Does anyone have any insights??
Many thanks! Catherine
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?Dear Catherine,?
I recently encountered the same challenge as the fund members.?
There is a simple solution to it: As a first step the zoom webpage only offers the ?download & run Zoom“ option. Once you open this link, the download pop up window opens. Cancel this one and only in this moment an additional text line in smaller font size with the option ?join from your browser“ shows up.
Not intuitive at least for me, but presumably on purpose by Zoom.
I hope this helps. All the best, Tobias
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Am 22.04.2020 um 19:47 schrieb Catherine Borgman-Arboleda <cborgman.arboleda@...>:
? Thanks both to you and Bev.. I wonder why the fund members were saying that when they deleted the zoom desk top app and to access through the web link (which is recommended in the articles for increased security) they were asked by zoom to download the app again, and couldn’t just access by the weblink…hmm.. to explore more I guess. On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Stephanie Barnes < stephanie@...> wrote:
Hi Catherine,
This was just published today, it talks about the changes Zoom is making, they are definitely taking the security issues seriously and working to address them??Zoom is posting information about updates etc. on their website, so you can take a look and see what else is there and that might be helpful.
Hopefully that helps address at least some of your and your client’s concerns.?
Best Regards, Stephanie?
Stephanie Barnes
Chief Catalyst
Entelechy
+49 (0)179 854 8376
Hello! I’ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women’s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they’ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things are very challenging right now… ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don’t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it’s just a reality.)
?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data. ?Do we think Zoom has planned another tier of “more secure” accounts? Does anyone have any insights??
Many thanks! Catherine
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Hi all. I also recall seeing a message a couple of weeks ago, when using the Zoom app, that there is an option to join in browser but there is less functionality when using it in the browser. (Not in those exact words, but that was the message conveyed regarding using browser vs app.) Tammy Horne ?
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Subject: Re: [f4c-response] Zoom and security? ?Dear Catherine,? I recently encountered the same challenge as the fund members.? There is a simple solution to it: As a first step the zoom webpage only offers the ?download & run Zoom“ option. Once you open this link, the download pop up window opens. Cancel this one and only in this moment an additional text line in smaller font size with the option ?join from your browser“ shows up. Not intuitive at least for me, but presumably on purpose by Zoom. ?Thanks both to you and Bev.. I wonder why the fund members were saying that when they deleted the zoom desk top app and to access through the web link (which is recommended in the articles for increased security) they were asked by zoom to download the app again, and couldn’t just access by the weblink…hmm.. to explore more I guess. ?
On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Stephanie Barnes <stephanie@...> wrote: ? Hi Catherine, This was just published today, it talks about the changes Zoom is making, they are definitely taking the security issues seriously and working to address them??Zoom is posting information about updates etc. on their website, so you can take a look and see what else is there and that might be helpful. Hopefully that helps address at least some of your and your client’s concerns.? ? Stephanie Barnes
Chief Catalyst
Entelechy
+49 (0)179 854 8376
? ? ?
? Hello! I’ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women’s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they’ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things are very challenging right now… ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don’t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it’s just a reality.) ?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data. ?Do we think Zoom has planned another tier of “more secure” accounts? Does anyone have any insights?? ?
Catherine Borgman-Arboleda
Learning & Evaluation Consultant Action Evaluation Collaborative ? ?
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It’s been a long time since the CIMA/MediaJustice Days! I saw this post and want to share a few resources and what I know from day-to-day work where we need serious security.?
First, I wouldn’t use Zoom, ever, for legal discussions, human rights abuse related issues or front line human rights defenders/front line organizers who are discussing or training on sensitive info.?
Here we use Jitsi or Signal (no video, but secure texting). Both have limits, but if your threat model calls for security, then you can only use truly secure tools.?
Great orgs to check out for resources/training/support: -Equality Labs? -Front Line Defenders? -Amnesty International?
-amalia?
Hello! I’ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women’s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they’ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things are very challenging right now… ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don’t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it’s just a reality.)
?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data.? Do we think Zoom has planned another tier of “more secure” accounts? Does anyone have any insights??
Many thanks! Catherine
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Hi Amalia! Great to see your name and thank you for chiming in and sharing resources. It is complicated…I think that they need to distinguish from what conversations need a higher level of security, as you mention, while at the same time availing themselves of new dynamics and tools for strengthening collective reflection, particularly from those communities they struggle to engage (and this certainly doesn’t necessarily happen best online, or at all…)
Catherine?
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Hi Catherine,?
It’s been a long time since the CIMA/MediaJustice Days! I saw this post and want to share a few resources and what I know from day-to-day work where we need serious security.?
First, I wouldn’t use Zoom, ever, for legal discussions, human rights abuse related issues or front line human rights defenders/front line organizers who are discussing or training on sensitive info.?
Here we use Jitsi or Signal (no video, but secure texting). Both have limits, but if your threat model calls for security, then you can only use truly secure tools.?
Great orgs to check out for resources/training/support: -Equality Labs? -Front Line Defenders? -Amnesty International?
-amalia?
Hello! I’ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women’s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they’ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things are very challenging right now… ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don’t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it’s just a reality.)
?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data.? Do we think Zoom has planned another tier of “more secure” accounts? Does anyone have any insights??
Many thanks! Catherine
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Dear Beverly,? Dear all,
I have a similar experience I'd like to share here. A public sector organisation I work with, dealing with all kinds of public issues, denied us to continue our learning journey for the same reason. This is very frustrating for everyone involved, we have had a standstill in learning and in exploring topics, since mid March. All workshops have been canceled until end June, then there's the summer break and we can start again in October. Meaning, we lose more than half a year of learning. I am using zoom with my other groups as it simply works best for our purpose. We have tried Microsoft Teams but it's not ideal for group facilitation for various reasons. Microsoft has announced that they'd add a new, breakout-group like functionality in April but again, it won't cover all the advantages. (Plus, it's a power struggle between tech providers, it seems.)
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 at 19:43, Bev Wenger-Trayner < bev@...> wrote: Hi Catherine
Zoom is responding to these security issues. Here is an article that has an updated version of it all -?
Bev
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Hello! I’ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women’s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they’ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things are very challenging right now… ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don’t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it’s just a reality.)
?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data.? Do we think Zoom has planned another tier of “more secure” accounts? Does anyone have any insights??
Many thanks! Catherine
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Greetings everyone,? I have a customer that cannot use ZOOM as an installed app for security issues but their?teams are able to join my sessions via web browser. So as an independent consultant I can host meetings with my ZOOM license which they attend from their browsers. Would this be solving the problem?
On the other hand, if the European Commissions adopts ZOOM, and the ones who have sold any type of software licence to the EC know the crux of such a process in terms of levels of security?compliance required, servers based in the EU zone, etc. etc. and ZOOM was approved I am wondering who could be these human rights groups that have an even more stringent criteria on security matters than the EU governing body??
Best wishes and stay safe! ? ? Paul Nunesdea | Paulo Nunes de Abreu?
+34 667 643 688 Twitter: @nunesdea
Dear Beverly,? Dear all,
I have a similar experience I'd like to share here. A public sector organisation I work with, dealing with all kinds of public issues, denied us to continue our learning journey for the same reason. This is very frustrating for everyone involved, we have had a standstill in learning and in exploring topics, since mid March. All workshops have been canceled until end June, then there's the summer break and we can start again in October. Meaning, we lose more than half a year of learning. I am using zoom with my other groups as it simply works best for our purpose. We have tried Microsoft Teams but it's not ideal for group facilitation for various reasons. Microsoft has announced that they'd add a new, breakout-group like functionality in April but again, it won't cover all the advantages. (Plus, it's a power struggle between tech providers, it seems.)
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 at 19:43, Bev Wenger-Trayner < bev@...> wrote: Hi Catherine
Zoom is responding to these security issues. Here is an article that has an updated version of it all -?
Bev
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Hello! I’ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women’s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they’ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things are very challenging right now… ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don’t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it’s just a reality.)
?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data.? Do we think Zoom has planned another tier of “more secure” accounts? Does anyone have any insights??
Many thanks! Catherine
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Thanks, Paul, for sharing. In my case, I think it's the IT people
who block the process. Management cannot (or does not) overrule IT
... it's tricky.
But it's great to know that you manage through web browser,
Christina
Am 23.04.2020 um 13:23 schrieb Paul
Nunesdea:
Greetings everyone,?
I have a customer that cannot use ZOOM as an installed
app for security issues but their?teams are able to join my
sessions via web browser. So as an independent consultant I
can host meetings with my ZOOM license which they attend
from their browsers. Would this be solving the problem?
On the other hand, if the European Commissions adopts
ZOOM, and the ones who have sold any type of software
licence to the EC know the crux of such a process in terms
of levels of security?compliance required, servers based in
the EU zone, etc. etc. and ZOOM was approved I am wondering
who could be these human rights groups that have an even
more stringent criteria on security matters than the EU
governing body??
Best wishes and stay safe!
? ?
Paul
Nunesdea | Paulo Nunes de
Abreu?
+34 667 643 688
Twitter: @nunesdea
Dear Beverly,?
Dear all,
I have a similar experience I'd like to share here. A
public sector organisation I work with, dealing with all
kinds of public issues, denied us to continue our learning
journey for the same reason. This is very frustrating for
everyone involved, we have had a standstill in learning
and in exploring topics, since mid March. All workshops
have been canceled until end June, then there's the summer
break and we can start again in October. Meaning, we lose
more than half a year of learning. I am using zoom with my
other groups as it simply works best for our purpose. We
have tried Microsoft Teams but it's not ideal for group
facilitation for various reasons. Microsoft has announced
that they'd add a new, breakout-group like functionality
in April but again, it won't cover all the advantages.
(Plus, it's a power struggle between tech providers, it
seems.)
Christina
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 at
19:43, Bev Wenger-Trayner < bev@...>
wrote:
Hi Catherine
Zoom is responding to these security issues. Here
is an article that has an updated version of it all -?
Bev
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Wenger-Trayner
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Hello!
I’ve been reading about the Zoom security
issues but just want to raise this again. I
work with human rights groups and so
security is a huge issue. Today I was
talking to a women’s fund in Poland and they
were expressing that their digital security
folks were saying absolutely under no terms
should they be using zoom and so they’ve
been experimenting, with a great deal of
frustration, with other platforms, mostly
Jitsi I believe. It is already so
challenging for them to move some of their
conversations/workshops online with
accessible technology, and now without
access to Zoom I fear they are going stop
their exploration of new ways of engaging
voices online which could be really exciting
for them, as they work to support the
feminist movement in a country where things
are very challenging right now… ?(Also, most
of these smaller groups have their capacity
stretched to the breaking point, and so
don’t have a lot of time to spend
experimenting, learning new technologies ?-
it’s just a reality.)
?I am wondering if anyone has more
insights into making Zoom more secure? They
seem particularly worried about having now
to download zoom on their computers, and the
access this then gives Zoom to their other
data.? Do we think Zoom has planned another
tier of “more secure” accounts? Does anyone
have any insights??
Many thanks!
Catherine
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Hi Paul? Access to zoom via a browser window is considered the least secure way of participating into a Zoom videoconference. Although full 256EAS end to end encryption is not yet achieved the most secure way is using the different layers jointly (authenticated users, updated to version 5 of the zoom desktop software, unique password protected per session, waiting room activated, no file share active, etc).
Zoom for business has a different level of security than the consumer version we all use as there are more integration with the organization IT strategy and network.
Hope this helps,
Hector
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Greetings everyone,? I have a customer that cannot use ZOOM as an installed app for security issues but their?teams are able to join my sessions via web browser. So as an independent consultant I can host meetings with my ZOOM license which they attend from their browsers. Would this be solving the problem?
On the other hand, if the European Commissions adopts ZOOM, and the ones who have sold any type of software licence to the EC know the crux of such a process in terms of levels of security?compliance required, servers based in the EU zone, etc. etc. and ZOOM was approved I am wondering who could be these human rights groups that have an even more stringent criteria on security matters than the EU governing body??
Best wishes and stay safe! ? ? Paul Nunesdea | Paulo Nunes de Abreu?
+34 667 643 688 Twitter: @nunesdea
Dear Beverly,? Dear all,
I have a similar experience I'd like to share here. A public sector organisation I work with, dealing with all kinds of public issues, denied us to continue our learning journey for the same reason. This is very frustrating for everyone involved, we have had a standstill in learning and in exploring topics, since mid March. All workshops have been canceled until end June, then there's the summer break and we can start again in October. Meaning, we lose more than half a year of learning. I am using zoom with my other groups as it simply works best for our purpose. We have tried Microsoft Teams but it's not ideal for group facilitation for various reasons. Microsoft has announced that they'd add a new, breakout-group like functionality in April but again, it won't cover all the advantages. (Plus, it's a power struggle between tech providers, it seems.)
Christina
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 at 19:43, Bev Wenger-Trayner < bev@...> wrote: Hi Catherine
Zoom is responding to these security issues. Here is an article that has an updated version of it all -?
Bev
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Hello! I’ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women’s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they’ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things are very challenging right now… ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don’t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it’s just a reality.)
?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data.? Do we think Zoom has planned another tier of “more secure” accounts? Does anyone have any insights??
Many thanks! Catherine
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Just bear in mind that if you’re using Zoom break-out groups, anyone accessing via the browser will be left in a ‘remnant group’ in the main room when the app user go to theirs.? It’s perfectly manageable if the numbers are right, but you
won’t have the same freedom to socially engineer your breakouts….
?
Thanks, Paul, for sharing. In my case, I think it's the IT people who block the process. Management cannot (or does not) overrule IT ... it's tricky.
But it's great to know that you manage through web browser,
Christina
Am 23.04.2020 um 13:23 schrieb Paul Nunesdea:
Greetings everyone,?
?
I have a customer that cannot use ZOOM as an installed app for security issues but their?teams are able to join my sessions via web browser. So as an independent consultant I can host meetings with my ZOOM license which they attend from
their browsers. Would this be solving the problem?
On the other hand, if the European Commissions adopts ZOOM, and the ones who have sold any type of software licence to the EC know the crux of such a process in terms of levels of security?compliance required, servers based in the EU zone,
etc. etc. and ZOOM was approved I am wondering who could be these human rights groups that have an even more stringent criteria on security matters than the EU governing body??
Best wishes and stay safe!
? ?
Paul Nunesdea | Paulo Nunes de Abreu?
+34 667 643 688 Twitter: @nunesdea
?
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Dear Beverly,?
I have a similar experience I'd like to share here. A public sector organisation I work with, dealing with all kinds of public issues, denied us to continue our learning journey for the same reason. This is very frustrating for everyone
involved, we have had a standstill in learning and in exploring topics, since mid March. All workshops have been canceled until end June, then there's the summer break and we can start again in October. Meaning, we lose more than half a year of learning. I
am using zoom with my other groups as it simply works best for our purpose. We have tried Microsoft Teams but it's not ideal for group facilitation for various reasons. Microsoft has announced that they'd add a new, breakout-group like functionality in April
but again, it won't cover all the advantages. (Plus, it's a power struggle between tech providers, it seems.)
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Zoom is responding to these security issues. Here is an article that has an updated version of it all -?
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I’ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women’s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital
security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they’ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops
online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things
are very challenging right now… ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don’t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it’s just a reality.)
?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data.? Do we think Zoom has
planned another tier of “more secure” accounts? Does anyone have any insights??
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Thanks Chris - This is an important distinction. ?It is curious that an EU governing body permits Zoom (which certainly should help our case), but yet there are clearly a significant number of groups focused on digital security that don’t. I’m working with a foundation too that is highly concerned about security (in fact we could not use WhatsApp to share photos etc.) but they are ok with Zoom as well. Christina, I feel your pain and have a feeling that others may take this route as well.
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Just bear in mind that if you’re using Zoom break-out groups, anyone accessing via the browser will be left in a ‘remnant group’ in the main room when the app user go to theirs.? It’s perfectly manageable if the numbers are right, but you won’t have the same freedom to socially engineer your breakouts…. ? Thanks, Paul, for sharing. In my case, I think it's the IT people who block the process. Management cannot (or does not) overrule IT ... it's tricky. But it's great to know that you manage through web browser, Christina Am 23.04.2020 um 13:23 schrieb Paul Nunesdea: Greetings everyone,?? ? I have a customer that cannot use ZOOM as an installed app for security issues but their?teams are able to join my sessions via web browser. So as an independent consultant I can host meetings with my ZOOM license which they attend from their browsers. Would this be solving the problem? On the other hand, if the European Commissions adopts ZOOM, and the ones who have sold any type of software licence to the EC know the crux of such a process in terms of levels of security?compliance required, servers based in the EU zone, etc. etc. and ZOOM was approved I am wondering who could be these human rights groups that have an even more stringent criteria on security matters than the EU governing body?? Best wishes and stay safe! ? ? Paul Nunesdea | Paulo Nunes de Abreu? +34 667 643 688 Twitter: @nunesdea ? ? Dear Beverly,?? I have a similar experience I'd like to share here. A public sector organisation I work with, dealing with all kinds of public issues, denied us to continue our learning journey for the same reason. This is very frustrating for everyone involved, we have had a standstill in learning and in exploring topics, since mid March. All workshops have been canceled until end June, then there's the summer break and we can start again in October. Meaning, we lose more than half a year of learning. I am using zoom with my other groups as it simply works best for our purpose. We have tried Microsoft Teams but it's not ideal for group facilitation for various reasons. Microsoft has announced that they'd add a new, breakout-group like functionality in April but again, it won't cover all the advantages. (Plus, it's a power struggle between tech providers, it seems.) Christina
? ? ? -- ? ? Follow me on Twitter: CMerl Find us on Facebook: ? ? ? On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 at 19:43, Bev Wenger-Trayner < bev@...> wrote: Hi Catherine? Zoom is responding to these security issues. Here is an article that has an updated version of it all -? ? Bev Wenger-TraynerLearning to make a difference ??| + 351 962 29 88 00 | ?| ?
? Hello!? I’ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women’s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they’ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things are very challenging right now… ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don’t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it’s just a reality.) ?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data.? Do we think Zoom has planned another tier of “more secure” accounts? Does anyone have any insights?? ?
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Hi Chris.? Thanks for sharing this tip I haven't done breakouts for the moment but I do have a big event coming up and it's important to warn participants about this limitation of web access on top of Hector's very useful information on security?levels.?
Thank you both! Paul Nunesdea | Paulo Nunes de Abreu?
+34 667 643 688 Twitter: @nunesdea
Just bear in mind that if you’re using Zoom break-out groups, anyone accessing via the browser will be left in a ‘remnant group’ in the main room when the app user go to theirs.? It’s perfectly manageable if the numbers are right, but you
won’t have the same freedom to socially engineer your breakouts….
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Thanks, Paul, for sharing. In my case, I think it's the IT people who block the process. Management cannot (or does not) overrule IT ... it's tricky.
But it's great to know that you manage through web browser,
Christina
Am 23.04.2020 um 13:23 schrieb Paul Nunesdea:
Greetings everyone,?
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I have a customer that cannot use ZOOM as an installed app for security issues but their?teams are able to join my sessions via web browser. So as an independent consultant I can host meetings with my ZOOM license which they attend from
their browsers. Would this be solving the problem?
On the other hand, if the European Commissions adopts ZOOM, and the ones who have sold any type of software licence to the EC know the crux of such a process in terms of levels of security?compliance required, servers based in the EU zone,
etc. etc. and ZOOM was approved I am wondering who could be these human rights groups that have an even more stringent criteria on security matters than the EU governing body??
Best wishes and stay safe!
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Paul Nunesdea | Paulo Nunes de Abreu?
+34 667 643 688 Twitter: @nunesdea
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Dear Beverly,?
I have a similar experience I'd like to share here. A public sector organisation I work with, dealing with all kinds of public issues, denied us to continue our learning journey for the same reason. This is very frustrating for everyone
involved, we have had a standstill in learning and in exploring topics, since mid March. All workshops have been canceled until end June, then there's the summer break and we can start again in October. Meaning, we lose more than half a year of learning. I
am using zoom with my other groups as it simply works best for our purpose. We have tried Microsoft Teams but it's not ideal for group facilitation for various reasons. Microsoft has announced that they'd add a new, breakout-group like functionality in April
but again, it won't cover all the advantages. (Plus, it's a power struggle between tech providers, it seems.)
Christina
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On Wed, 22 Apr 2020 at 19:43, Bev Wenger-Trayner <bev@...> wrote:
Hi Catherine
Zoom is responding to these security issues. Here is an article that has an updated version of it all -?
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Bev Wenger-Trayner
Learning to make a difference
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Hello!
I’ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women’s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital
security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they’ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops
online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things
are very challenging right now… ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don’t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it’s just a reality.)
?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data.? Do we think Zoom has
planned another tier of “more secure” accounts? Does anyone have any insights??
?
Catherine Borgman-Arboleda
Learning & Evaluation Consultant
Action Evaluation Collaborative
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