Re: Online facilitation for government
I am a member of 2 local government boards. There are some specifics we must follow to meet state regulations. I would enjoy comparing notes and tips. All the best,
Loretta
Loretta L. Donovan President|iAttain 914-309-3952
Hi everyone,
Does have anyone else here who are also working with facilitation for government people? I?m interested in sharing experiences, challenges, learn together and build opportunities.
All the best,
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Re: Online facilitation for government
Hi all,
Zoom is beta testing auto captions, and organizations can opt into it. This will make zoom more accessible to deaf and hard of hearing folks.? Information here:?
Noah?
On Tuesday, April 28, 2020, Chris Collison < chris.collison@...> wrote:
Hi Jessica,
My Mural/Zoom session today was with a learning ?consortium of major development donors ¨C so government reps from several countries.? This group: ?
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Finding a common technology denominator which works for all of them can be a bit of a challenge ¨C (It¡¯s challenging enough
doing battle negotiating with one IT department, let alone 9¡.)
But currently careful use of Zoom (sometimes just browser-based), or in some cases MS Teams + SharePoint, together with Mural is working well¡
Cheers,
Chris
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Hi everyone,
Does have anyone else here who are also working with facilitation for government people? I?m interested in sharing experiences, challenges, learn together and build opportunities.
All the best,
--
´³¨¦²õ²õ¾±³¦²¹ Barcelos
Meaningful conversations for Government
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Re: Online facilitation for government
Hi Jessica,
My Mural/Zoom session today was with a learning ?consortium of major development donors ¨C so government reps from several countries.? This group: ?mdlp4dev.org
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Finding a common technology denominator which works for all of them can be a bit of a challenge ¨C (It¡¯s challenging enough
doing battle negotiating with one IT department, let alone 9¡.)
But currently careful use of Zoom (sometimes just browser-based), or in some cases MS Teams + SharePoint, together with Mural is working well¡
Cheers,
Chris
?
?
Hi everyone,
Does have anyone else here who are also working with facilitation for government people? I?m interested in sharing experiences, challenges, learn together and build opportunities.
All the best,
--
´³¨¦²õ²õ¾±³¦²¹ Barcelos
Meaningful conversations for Government
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Online facilitation for government
Hi everyone, Does have anyone else here who are also working with facilitation for government people? I?m interested in sharing experiences, challenges, learn together and build opportunities. All the best, -- ´³¨¦²õ²õ¾±³¦²¹ Barcelos
Meaningful conversations for Government
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Re: Partnership for mutual aid groups
Hi folks, For those of you working with?groups responding to COVID-19 in the US, you may be interested in Leadership Learning Community's?COVID-19 Network Innovation Fund and share it with groups that meet the criteria.? This slide deck includes the criteria, the first one is to provide support for leadership development strategies that get resources to and support the leadership of people most impacted in responding to COVID-19.
The first proposal round is closed but the next is May 11.
??
? Cheers, Sarah
Would love to talk to you more about this for the DC Mutual Aid Network. Most of our community members use our hotline numbers to get information about and access resources, but accessible support to navigate online resources can be useful, too. Let's chat!
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Thanks all - these are all great insights, keep them coming if anyone else has experience, especially w/ Miro as I think that's what one of my?clients is leaning towards :-)
Hey Nancy,
I¡¯ve *just* finished a 5 hour zoom/mural session (with several breaks included, of course!) for 15 international participants ?¨C you know them!
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Bandwidth has been fine so far (and the mural was quite graphically rich).? I¡¯m on a slow upload connection (0.8Mb/s), but still no issue.?
?
Last week was more flaky for Mural, but they seem to be over their demand hiccups. Do check that you haven¡¯t got any sync/backup processes sending data up the line competing with Mural.? It seems to ¡®chatter¡¯ a lot back and forth, and of
there is data competing for uploading space, it can hold things up for a few seconds when you make changes, especially if you¡¯re being followed.
?
Just a great combination to break the monotony of Zoom ¨C and a roadmap-style mural seemed to work well for everyone.
°ä³ó±ð±ð°ù²õ¡
Chris
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Anyone have a clear sense of the bandwidth issues for Miro and Mural compared to Google docs/slides? When running alongside Zoom?
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On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 6:40 AM sfqua <fisher@...> wrote:
It works well. The biggest difficulties:?
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Enormity of the space/canvas can be overwhelming for people and finding your way around that geography can be difficult.?
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It's interface has lots of little 'pop-ups' that mean to be hints or tips but can be hard to see when they happen and it essentially makes it look like your screen is locked up. Frustrating until you understand that's what's happening
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Works great for things like What, So What, Now What (different colored and sized sticky notes for each that can be 'stacked' together), Ecocycle Planning, Critical Uncertainties, or any other structure where you want to create little midden piles or deposits
of data for future use.?
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I tend to find those technologies great AND really can limit who can be involved unless they're comfortable with it. Once you have everyone you are working with used to it, the possibilities open up... it's the effort in getting to that place that may not be
worth it if the group isn't going to keep coming back to those places.?
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A group I was supporting just had 300+ simultaneously in Miro using it for harvesting, coordinating Open Space, etc etc etc. It's their organization's default online program though, so everyone not only has a license and access they were already (sort of) familiar
with it (following normal distribution trends of familiarity with any technology 8^))
-- Sharan Jaswal?07939 537535
Educator - Facilitator - Changemaker Clore Social Leadership Fellow 2018 Pronouns: she/her
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Hey Nancy,
I¡¯ve *just* finished a 5 hour zoom/mural session (with several breaks included, of course!) for 15 international participants ?¨C you know them!
?
Bandwidth has been fine so far (and the mural was quite graphically rich).? I¡¯m on a slow upload connection (0.8Mb/s), but still no issue.?
?
Last week was more flaky for Mural, but they seem to be over their demand hiccups. Do check that you haven¡¯t got any sync/backup processes sending data up the line competing with Mural.? It seems to ¡®chatter¡¯ a lot back and forth, and of
there is data competing for uploading space, it can hold things up for a few seconds when you make changes, especially if you¡¯re being followed.
?
Just a great combination to break the monotony of Zoom ¨C and a roadmap-style mural seemed to work well for everyone.
°ä³ó±ð±ð°ù²õ¡
Chris
?
Anyone have a clear sense of the bandwidth issues for Miro and Mural compared to Google docs/slides? When running alongside Zoom?
?
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On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 6:40 AM sfqua < fisher@...> wrote:
It works well. The biggest difficulties:?
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Enormity of the space/canvas can be overwhelming for people and finding your way around that geography can be difficult.?
-
It's interface has lots of little 'pop-ups' that mean to be hints or tips but can be hard to see when they happen and it essentially makes it look like your screen is locked up. Frustrating until you understand that's what's happening
-
Works great for things like What, So What, Now What (different colored and sized sticky notes for each that can be 'stacked' together), Ecocycle Planning, Critical Uncertainties, or any other structure where you want to create little midden piles or deposits
of data for future use.?
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I tend to find those technologies great AND really can limit who can be involved unless they're comfortable with it. Once you have everyone you are working with used to it, the possibilities open up... it's the effort in getting to that place that may not be
worth it if the group isn't going to keep coming back to those places.?
-
A group I was supporting just had 300+ simultaneously in Miro using it for harvesting, coordinating Open Space, etc etc etc. It's their organization's default online program though, so everyone not only has a license and access they were already (sort of) familiar
with it (following normal distribution trends of familiarity with any technology 8^))
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Hi all. I have not used these types of platforms (Mural or Miro), though I¡¯ve read and heard generally good about them. Another option is Stormboard, a Canadian company based here in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, where I live. I¡¯ve heard positive feedback on this one, too. ? Tammy ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mark Levison
Sent: April 28, 2020 11:47 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [f4c-response] LS + Miro? I've used both Mural and Miro for facilitating?workshops. They both work without any bandwidth issues that I tell. Key thing attendees visit my Mural board themselves and not via my zoom window. I try to remember that the world may have a different?sized monitor than me and so my screen share from even half a 27" monitor might be larger than their?laptop screen. Mural's superpowers for facilitators?(summon) are fun, however attendees find them jaring. Instead I invite them to use the outline and click on the section I want them to view.
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I've used both Mural and Miro for facilitating?workshops. They both work without any bandwidth issues that I tell. Key thing attendees visit my Mural board themselves and not via my zoom window. I try to remember that the world may have a different?sized monitor than me and so my screen share from even half a 27" monitor might be larger than their?laptop screen.
Mural's superpowers for facilitators?(summon) are fun, however attendees find them jaring. Instead I invite them to use the outline and click on the section I want them to view.
Cheers Mark
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Hi folks!? Adding to the excellent comments below about Mural and Miro:
? For sure, people need to get used to the tool. Then, it¡¯s awesome. ? Structuring in a way that people work together in small groups (breakouts in Zoom) allows non-tech people to work with tech-people, and they get along. By the time it happens, they climb quickly the learning curve. As always, use the group to facilitate the group! ? Outlines are great and really help get people moving around and navigating with ease. I suggest to use it as much as you can. ? About bandwidth - one participant in our course talked about having 50 people at the same time in a huge canvas. No problems. ? I used more than once with 16 people with 16 Ecocycles side by side. using pictures, icons and all the stuff happening simultaneously without problem. However, I had a Google slide deck ready as a plan B, and instructions and PDF to print in an e-Mail as plan C..;) ???? I have my free account, and so far this is all I need¡:)
Loving so many good exchanges here.
Cheers,
Fernando Murray Loureiro ?"You miss 100% of the shots you never take." ??Wayne Gretzky, hockey legend
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I have been using Mural with Zoom ¡ª I haven¡¯t had any bandwidth issues (And I used with a group I Bolivia with so-so connectivity). However, on another occasion, a week or so ago, ?I found Mural was down as my call was about to start. This has happened a few times in the past as well. ? They are struggling a bit to deal with increased usage, but hopefully will resolve..I would absolutely have a plan B though for the time being.?
Many of the people I work with struggle a bit with any new technology (they don¡¯t like Slack or DB!) and have found that they really loved Mural, as long as I spent time with them individually beforehand to get them comfortable. Some tips were making sure to lock down any information you put on mural that you want them to work with as they can easily move things around by mistake (we were doing sensemaking with evaluation findings), and also ?having certain people that were more comfortable with technology logging in and being the documenters for the others in breakout groups etc. (Logging in can sometimes be a bit tricky for some people). Overall all though I love Mural and use it as well to just do my own visuals for different pieces of work¡It¡¯s very easy to use and if you sign up as a ¡°Facilitator¡± you get some extra perks, including excellent support via chat, etc.?
Anyone have a clear sense of the bandwidth issues for Miro and Mural compared to Google docs/slides? When running alongside Zoom? On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 6:40 AM sfqua < fisher@...> wrote: It works well. The biggest difficulties:?
- Enormity of the space/canvas can be overwhelming for people and finding your way around that geography can be difficult.?
- It's interface has lots of little 'pop-ups' that mean to be hints or tips but can be hard to see when they happen and it essentially makes it look like your screen is locked up. Frustrating until you understand that's what's happening
- Works great for things like What, So What, Now What (different colored and sized sticky notes for each that can be 'stacked' together), Ecocycle Planning, Critical Uncertainties, or any other structure where you want to create little midden piles or deposits of data for future use.?
- I tend to find those technologies great AND really can limit who can be involved unless they're comfortable with it. Once you have everyone you are working with used to it, the possibilities open up... it's the effort in getting to that place that may not be worth it if the group isn't going to keep coming back to those places.?
- A group I was supporting just had 300+ simultaneously in Miro using it for harvesting, coordinating Open Space, etc etc etc. It's their organization's default online program though, so everyone not only has a license and access they were already (sort of) familiar with it (following normal distribution trends of familiarity with any technology 8^))
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I have been using Mural with Zoom ¡ª I haven¡¯t had any bandwidth issues (And I used with a group I Bolivia with so-so connectivity). However, on another occasion, a week or so ago, ?I found Mural was down as my call was about to start. This has happened a few times in the past as well. ? They are struggling a bit to deal with increased usage, but hopefully will resolve..I would absolutely have a plan B though for the time being.?
Many of the people I work with struggle a bit with any new technology (they don¡¯t like Slack or DB!) and have found that they really loved Mural, as long as I spent time with them individually beforehand to get them comfortable. Some tips were making sure to lock down any information you put on mural that you want them to work with as they can easily move things around by mistake (we were doing sensemaking with evaluation findings), and also ?having certain people that were more comfortable with technology logging in and being the documenters for the others in breakout groups etc. (Logging in can sometimes be a bit tricky for some people). Overall all though I love Mural and use it as well to just do my own visuals for different pieces of work¡It¡¯s very easy to use and if you sign up as a ¡°Facilitator¡± you get some extra perks, including excellent support via chat, etc.?
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Anyone have a clear sense of the bandwidth issues for Miro and Mural compared to Google docs/slides? When running alongside Zoom? On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 6:40 AM sfqua < fisher@...> wrote: It works well. The biggest difficulties:?
- Enormity of the space/canvas can be overwhelming for people and finding your way around that geography can be difficult.?
- It's interface has lots of little 'pop-ups' that mean to be hints or tips but can be hard to see when they happen and it essentially makes it look like your screen is locked up. Frustrating until you understand that's what's happening
- Works great for things like What, So What, Now What (different colored and sized sticky notes for each that can be 'stacked' together), Ecocycle Planning, Critical Uncertainties, or any other structure where you want to create little midden piles or deposits of data for future use.?
- I tend to find those technologies great AND really can limit who can be involved unless they're comfortable with it. Once you have everyone you are working with used to it, the possibilities open up... it's the effort in getting to that place that may not be worth it if the group isn't going to keep coming back to those places.?
- A group I was supporting just had 300+ simultaneously in Miro using it for harvesting, coordinating Open Space, etc etc etc. It's their organization's default online program though, so everyone not only has a license and access they were already (sort of) familiar with it (following normal distribution trends of familiarity with any technology 8^))
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Anyone have a clear sense of the bandwidth issues for Miro and Mural compared to Google docs/slides? When running alongside Zoom?
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 6:40 AM sfqua < fisher@...> wrote: It works well. The biggest difficulties:?
- Enormity of the space/canvas can be overwhelming for people and finding your way around that geography can be difficult.?
- It's interface has lots of little 'pop-ups' that mean to be hints or tips but can be hard to see when they happen and it essentially makes it look like your screen is locked up. Frustrating until you understand that's what's happening
- Works great for things like What, So What, Now What (different colored and sized sticky notes for each that can be 'stacked' together), Ecocycle Planning, Critical Uncertainties, or any other structure where you want to create little midden piles or deposits of data for future use.?
- I tend to find those technologies great AND really can limit who can be involved unless they're comfortable with it. Once you have everyone you are working with used to it, the possibilities open up... it's the effort in getting to that place that may not be worth it if the group isn't going to keep coming back to those places.?
- A group I was supporting just had 300+ simultaneously in Miro using it for harvesting, coordinating Open Space, etc etc etc. It's their organization's default online program though, so everyone not only has a license and access they were already (sort of) familiar with it (following normal distribution trends of familiarity with any technology 8^))
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It works well. The biggest difficulties:?
- Enormity of the space/canvas can be overwhelming for people and finding your way around that geography can be difficult.?
- It's interface has lots of little 'pop-ups' that mean to be hints or tips but can be hard to see when they happen and it essentially makes it look like your screen is locked up. Frustrating until you understand that's what's happening
- Works great for things like What, So What, Now What (different colored and sized sticky notes for each that can be 'stacked' together), Ecocycle Planning, Critical Uncertainties, or any other structure where you want to create little midden piles or deposits of data for future use.?
- I tend to find those technologies great AND really can limit who can be involved unless they're comfortable with it. Once you have everyone you are working with used to it, the possibilities open up... it's the effort in getting to that place that may not be worth it if the group isn't going to keep coming back to those places.?
- A group I was supporting just had 300+ simultaneously in Miro using it for harvesting, coordinating Open Space, etc etc etc. It's their organization's default online program though, so everyone not only has a license and access they were already (sort of) familiar with it (following normal distribution trends of familiarity with any technology 8^))
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Hi All,
Does anyone have any experience or thoughts on successfully using Miro as an accompaniment to any LS activities? The platform seems to have a lot of potential (I'm thinking to use it alongside Zoom), but I'm just trying to get my head round it at the moment.
Thanks,
-- Sharan Jaswal?07939 537535
Educator - Facilitator - Changemaker Clore Social Leadership Fellow 2018 Pronouns: she/her
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Re: Simultaneous fish bowls?
Hi Jessica, Yes, it worked really well. The key is being sure that each fish can present to the entire group (briefly!) and I think is having a facilitator ?part of each fish bowl is also useful. Then, when they come back have the fish share key reflections to everyone, and then allow participants to build on those key themes. ?We had about 17 or so people, so breaking up into two groups worked well. I think you could also have a few groups working each working on different fish challenges. ?I¡¯m also finding that it¡¯s helpful to have the fish have a visual drawn up with the key question (clarity on key question/questions is critical too), as some of my participants struggled to grasp the context in a short time, and in the one occasion when we had a visual laid out this was quite helpful. As additional tip would be working a bit with the fish beforehand to help strengthen the presentation¡ Happy to discuss more if it would be helpful..
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Hi Catherine, how was it? I?m preparing myself to make an online fishbowl for the first time, it would be nice to know how you did it. All the best! ´³¨¦²õ²õ¾±³¦²¹ On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 12:43 PM, Catherine Borgman-Arboleda wrote:
cborgman.arboleda@...
? -- ´³¨¦²õ²õ¾±³¦²¹ Barcelos
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Hello everyone, I?m ´³¨¦²õ²õ¾±³¦²¹ from Brazil and work with facilitation in the public sector. In these new challenges, I?d like to know your opinion about which are the good references are you following about online education for this new scenario (people, youtube channels, writers, journals, courses, universities, ...) ? All the best! -- ´³¨¦²õ²õ¾±³¦²¹ Barcelos
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Re: Simultaneous fish bowls?
Hi Catherine,
how was it? I?m preparing myself to make an online fishbowl for the first time, it would be nice to know how you did it.
All the best!
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On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 12:43 PM, Catherine Borgman-Arboleda wrote:
cborgman.arboleda@...
? -- ´³¨¦²õ²õ¾±³¦²¹ Barcelos
Meaningful conversations in the Public Sector
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Re: Partnership for mutual aid groups
Would love to talk to you more about this for the DC Mutual Aid Network. Most of our community members use our hotline numbers to get information about and access resources, but accessible support to navigate online resources can be useful, too. Let's chat!
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Re: Partnership for mutual aid groups
Does ?the chat feature integrate with google docs? We have this organically created list of resources and even with a table of contents - much to navigate?
I bet this would be useful for this directory ?and the Directories linked there as well
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Let's Break Jitsi -- testing an alternative to Zoom breakouts
Hi All,
It sounds like a few people are interested in testing how many people Jitsi can hold in a single video chat.? I set up a quick test, embedding Jitsi into one event on QiqChat.??
What:?Meet a bunch of people on this email list during a fun and informal 15-minute test
When: Monday (tomorrow) 9:30am Pacific / 12:30pm Eastern / 4:30pm UTC.
?and?download the ?if you do not have it already.? Jitsi is an open source alternative to Zoom that works in Chrome, and it will hopefully work in other?browsers in the months ahead. Lucas Cioffi Lead Software Engineer, QiqoChat Scarsdale, NY 917-528-1831
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Loretta Donovan
Chris Collison
Mark Levison
Fernando Murray Loureiro
Nancy White
Noel Schroeder
Lucas Cioffi