It¡¯s been a long time since the CIMA/MediaJustice Days! I saw this post and want to share a few resources and what I know from day-to-day work where we need serious security.?
First, I wouldn¡¯t use Zoom, ever, for legal discussions, human rights abuse related issues or front line human rights defenders/front line organizers who are discussing or training on sensitive info.?
Here we use Jitsi or Signal (no video, but secure texting). Both have limits, but if your threat model calls for security, then you can only use truly secure tools.?
Great orgs to check out for resources/training/support:
On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 1:34 PM Catherine Borgman-Arboleda <cborgman.arboleda@...> wrote:
Hello!
I¡¯ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women¡¯s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they¡¯ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things are very challenging right now¡ ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don¡¯t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it¡¯s just a reality.)
?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data.? Do we think Zoom has planned another tier of ¡°more secure¡± accounts? Does anyone have any insights??
Hi all. I also recall seeing a message a couple of weeks ago, when using the Zoom app, that there is an option to join in browser but there is less functionality when using it in the browser. (Not in those exact words, but that was the message conveyed regarding using browser vs app.)
I recently encountered the same challenge as the fund members.?
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There is a simple solution to it:
As a first step the zoom webpage only offers the ?download & run Zoom¡° option. Once you open this link, the download pop up window opens. Cancel this one and only in this moment an additional text line in smaller font size with the option ?join from your browser¡° shows up.
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Not intuitive at least for me, but presumably on purpose by Zoom.
I wonder why the fund members were saying that when they deleted the zoom desk top app and to access through the web link (which is recommended in the articles for increased security) they were asked by zoom to download the app again, and couldn¡¯t just access by the weblink¡hmm.. to explore more I guess.
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On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Stephanie Barnes <stephanie@...> wrote:
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Hi Catherine,
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This was just published today, it talks about the changes Zoom is making, they are definitely taking the security issues seriously and working to address them??Zoom is posting information about updates etc. on their website, so you can take a look and see what else is there and that might be helpful.
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Hopefully that helps address at least some of your and your client¡¯s concerns.?
On 22. Apr 2020, at 19:34, Catherine Borgman-Arboleda <cborgman.arboleda@...> wrote:
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Hello!
I¡¯ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women¡¯s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they¡¯ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things are very challenging right now¡ ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don¡¯t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it¡¯s just a reality.)
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?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data. ?Do we think Zoom has planned another tier of ¡°more secure¡± accounts? Does anyone have any insights??
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I recently encountered the same challenge as the fund members.?
There is a simple solution to it:
As a first step the zoom webpage only offers the ?download & run Zoom¡° option. Once you open this link, the download pop up window opens. Cancel this one and only in this moment an additional text line in smaller font size with the option ?join from your browser¡° shows up.
Not intuitive at least for me, but presumably on purpose by Zoom.
Am 22.04.2020 um 19:47 schrieb Catherine Borgman-Arboleda <cborgman.arboleda@...>:
?Thanks both to you and Bev..
I wonder why the fund members were saying that when they deleted the zoom desk top app and to access through the web link (which is recommended in the articles for increased security) they were asked by zoom to download the app again, and couldn¡¯t just access by the weblink¡hmm.. to explore more I guess.
On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Stephanie Barnes <stephanie@...> wrote:
Hi Catherine,
This was just published today, it talks about the changes Zoom is making, they are definitely taking the security issues seriously and working to address them??Zoom is posting information about updates etc. on their website, so you can take a look and see what else is there and that might be helpful.
Hopefully that helps address at least some of your and your client¡¯s concerns.?
On 22. Apr 2020, at 19:34, Catherine Borgman-Arboleda <cborgman.arboleda@...> wrote:
Hello!
I¡¯ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women¡¯s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they¡¯ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things are very challenging right now¡ ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don¡¯t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it¡¯s just a reality.)
?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data. ?Do we think Zoom has planned another tier of ¡°more secure¡± accounts? Does anyone have any insights??
I wonder why the fund members were saying that when they deleted the zoom desk top app and to access through the web link (which is recommended in the articles for increased security) they were asked by zoom to download the app again, and couldn¡¯t just access by the weblink¡hmm.. to explore more I guess.
On Apr 22, 2020, at 12:45 PM, Stephanie Barnes <stephanie@...> wrote:
Hi Catherine,
This was just published today, it talks about the changes Zoom is making, they are definitely taking the security issues seriously and working to address them??Zoom is posting information about updates etc. on their website, so you can take a look and see what else is there and that might be helpful.
Hopefully that helps address at least some of your and your client¡¯s concerns.?
On 22. Apr 2020, at 19:34, Catherine Borgman-Arboleda <cborgman.arboleda@...> wrote:
Hello!
I¡¯ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women¡¯s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they¡¯ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things are very challenging right now¡ ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don¡¯t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it¡¯s just a reality.)
?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data. ?Do we think Zoom has planned another tier of ¡°more secure¡± accounts? Does anyone have any insights??
This was just published today, it talks about the changes Zoom is making, they are definitely taking the security issues seriously and working to address them??Zoom is posting information about updates etc. on their website, so you can take a look and see what else is there and that might be helpful.
Hopefully that helps address at least some of your and your client¡¯s concerns.?
On 22. Apr 2020, at 19:34, Catherine Borgman-Arboleda <cborgman.arboleda@...> wrote:
Hello!
I¡¯ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women¡¯s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they¡¯ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things are very challenging right now¡ ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don¡¯t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it¡¯s just a reality.)
?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data. ?Do we think Zoom has planned another tier of ¡°more secure¡± accounts? Does anyone have any insights??
On Apr 22, 2020, at 18:34, Catherine Borgman-Arboleda <cborgman.arboleda@...> wrote:
Hello!
I¡¯ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women¡¯s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they¡¯ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things are very challenging right now¡ ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don¡¯t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it¡¯s just a reality.)
?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data. ?Do we think Zoom has planned another tier of ¡°more secure¡± accounts? Does anyone have any insights??
I¡¯ve been reading about the Zoom security issues but just want to raise this again. I work with human rights groups and so security is a huge issue. Today I was talking to a women¡¯s fund in Poland and they were expressing that their digital security folks were saying absolutely under no terms should they be using zoom and so they¡¯ve been experimenting, with a great deal of frustration, with other platforms, mostly Jitsi I believe. It is already so challenging for them to move some of their conversations/workshops online with accessible technology, and now without access to Zoom I fear they are going stop their exploration of new ways of engaging voices online which could be really exciting for them, as they work to support the feminist movement in a country where things are very challenging right now¡ ?(Also, most of these smaller groups have their capacity stretched to the breaking point, and so don¡¯t have a lot of time to spend experimenting, learning new technologies ?- it¡¯s just a reality.)
?I am wondering if anyone has more insights into making Zoom more secure? They seem particularly worried about having now to download zoom on their computers, and the access this then gives Zoom to their other data. ?Do we think Zoom has planned another tier of ¡°more secure¡± accounts? Does anyone have any insights??
This sounds like a really cool initiative (Of course, LIBRARIANS!) One thing I've noticed with the groups of parents who first rushed online to figure out how to support their kids at-home learning flooded themselves with resources, and then went nearly quiet three weeks after. I expect an upturn again once people self- regulate, but this service is probably well indicated by the observed behavior!
Hi everyone, the initiative I'm running -- COVID Resource Librarian -- is looking to partner with existing mutual aid groups that want to make their resource directories more easily accessible to people who, for whatever reason, may be overwhelmed by personally sorting through the wealth of spreadsheets, google docs, and facebook posts in search of help. We'd like to work with a few mutual aid groups to roll out the tool so that we can get a sense of current needs and build out our service accordingly. The partnership is simple: you would integrate our chat feature into your social media and website via link or embedded chat & our volunteers would be on deck to handle information queries by quickly looking through resource directories and, when appropriate, referring people to request assistance directly from you. Contact me to discuss further!
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On Wed 15 Apr 2020 at 23:10, David Gouthro <david@...> wrote:
Sharan, it is certainly a mind-bender to track everything at once.? I facilitated a 6 1/2 hour online planning workshop yesterday.? For the last 40 years, all of my revenue generating activity has been face-to-face (training, facilitation, Emceeing, keynoting).? I didn¡¯t get much sleep the night before, got up early with my adrenal glands pumping at full capacity and had to deal with a problem I thought I'd resolved the previous evening. Getting started (especially with the new Zoom protocols) was a heart-pounding experience (okay, perhaps I may be stretching things a bit for the story value).? However, by the end of the Zoomathon, I was actually enjoying it.? The most challenging part was monitoring the chat line; however, I suggested to the group that I would take a thorough look when they were in breakout groups (which I used liberally) and if it was urgent, to please text me. ?
There were just 22 participants¡ªnot sure how much of this would transfer to a much larger group¡ªin that case having a co-host (or several that each have their own focus) would be very helpful.
Looking back, I think that keeping my expectations of myself low, while providing the best service possible to my client (we were all doing this for the first time together) turned out to be helpful.
Some of the experiments I included in the design (again, would not all translate to a larger group) included:
opening activity to get their voices in the common room: I asked them to briefly describe one thing that went well for them over the Easter weekend, and to ensure no two people tried to speak at the same time.? This achieved a number of things: made a bridge from their weekend as parents, spouses, etc. to their role as business professionals; set a positive tone; began to reinforce the skills of listening closely and getting a feel for when they could speak without colliding with someone else (helpful in plenary as well as breakout conversations.?
lots of breakout conversations, some at random, some within their work groups
had three lengthy breaks over the 6 1/2 hours
on the breaks, I showed several yoga clips (5-6 minutes long) of exercising in a chair so those who wished to, could do that as part of their break (most of them got me tied up in knots and raised my desire to become more physically flexible).
I realize none of the above helped me with the need to multi-task as you described below.? Nevertheless, they made me feel a little more relaxed in dealing with everything that was going on with Zoom!
Cheers,
David
David Gouthro, CSP
The Consulting Edge 102-
(604) 926-6858
"How different our world would?be if collaboration triumphed over competition every time.¡±
On Apr 15, 2020, at 9:45 AM, Sharan Jaswal <sharankjaswal@...> wrote:
Hi All,
Great to be involved with such a creative & generous community :-)
I just facilitated my first virtual workshop (whoop!), and luckily I had a tech co-host to help. I found it REALLY distracting and confusing though that I couldn't organise my screen to all?at once comfortably view:
- the screen I'm sharing (and slide controls)
- Participants
- Chat
- 'Ribbon' view of attendees' faces
- Zoom (host) controls
I can set the above view as a participant, but couldn't figure out how to do it as a host who's screen in being shared?
Any advice would be very greatly received!
Thanks, hope you're all staying well.
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Re: Looking for Folks Who Can Run Online Capacity Building Sessions in 3 particular areas.
I am also connecting you to Michelle and Carrie of Encompass LLC, based in Maryland. They have been doing amazing work in this area for a long time.
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Also Nick from Techchange, based in Washington, D.C.¡ªthey also do great work online.
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Best,
Ann
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From:[email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Nancy White Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 12:35 AM To:[email protected] Subject: Re: [f4c-response] Looking for Folks Who Can Run Online Capacity Building Sessions in 3 particular areas.
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Terrific. Can you send me a 1 paragraph description of a workshop you might offer and the cost? (per seat/ per session - whatever you have!)? Thanks N
Hi Nancy¡ª my expertise is conflict transformation. I¡¯d be happy to discuss and explore!?
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On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 11:58 AM Nancy White <nancy.white@...> wrote:
Hi all
I'm working with a couple of networks who have to move specific types of group meetings online and I'd like to connect them with folks with that specific skill - or even better, who can help people build their own skills. The two areas are:
Conflict resolution - the specific context is ecosystem work with multiple/diverse stakeholders. So work continues, conflict continues and they can't wait to meet F2F in some unspecified future. We'd like to offer a short online training to help them work through this. This is hopefully a paid gig. I'm working on that now.
Community Consultation - again, in an ecocosystems context, projects need consultations complete before next phases. The phases appear to be pretty fixed so again, people can't wait to do the stakeholder consultations F2F. This is hopefully a paid gig.?
Finally, people with general expertise on designing and facilitating engaging online meetings that include breakouts on tools OTHER THAN ZOOM. I'm trying to put together a couple of sessions to expand some of the cool things we have done in zoom into other platforms. This probably starts as a free offering and you could easily build it into a paid gig... there IS demand!
If you have this experience, please email me directly (And you might also want to put it into the spreadsheet here noting your particular expertise as I think there will be more demand: --->?
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Zoom currently has a closed caption option that seems to work well¡ªstill in pilot stage, I believe. ?Seems to have pretty accurate live transcription¡ªmay help a bit. ?I have seen it in the webinar format, but not sure if it is (or will be) available in the meetings format.
Cheers,
David
David Gouthro, CSP
The Consulting Edge 102-2221 Folkestone Way West Vancouver, BC V7S 2Y6 (604) 926-6858
"How different our world would?be if collaboration triumphed over competition every time.¡±
On Apr 16, 2020, at 3:48 PM, Noah Strauss <Els5343@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Zoom is not currently accessible to deaf and hard of hearing folks. There are no live autocaptions. There is an option to hire a third party captioning service or have someone actively transcribing the call while it is going on. These are not ideal solutions. Live autocaptions are more convenient. How are you making your calls accessible to deaf and hard of hearing folks? Google meet has very accurate live autocaptions.
Noah?
On Thursday, April 16, 2020, Zoelord via <Zoelord=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Sharan,?
I've previously struggled with this - great if you're a participant but not if you're a presenter.? However this week I worked out a new way of seeing my slides, participant cameras and the chat - It was a little convoluted but worked a treat!?
A colleague shared my slides on their screen and gave me access to control the slides and this enabled me to see everything all together - just like a participant would see - slides, chat, polls & cameras.? However, if my colleague touched their screen they took over the control.? Next time I'll set up my ipad and laptop so I can manage both together.?
With 400+ people joining the zoom plus live streaming on Youtube with 200+people it was a bit hairy but worked out great - I like seeing the participants cameras, it makes presenting so much easier.
The challenge Noah brings up is a subset (albeit a very important one) of a series of overarching challenges to take into consideration when facilitating online meetings. It is really tough to know what tool to use for what purpose. There are so many variables to consider, including:
accessibility and inclusiveness;
constant barrage of new tools, improvements in existing tools, etc.;
privacy issues;
desired purpose/outcomes of the meeting;
cost of technology (licensing, purchase, etc.)
personal preferences of a wide variety of stakeholders, etc.
regulatory requirements (e.g. servers must be in certain countries, or not in certain countries)
reporting requirements;
skill or comfort of the facilitator with tech tools;
requirement for real-time technical support?
etc.
Makes my head spin thinking about how to make the ¡°right¡± decision regarding which tool(s) to use. ?There are so many options folks on this list are offering. ?Unfortunately the greater the variety of tools and opinions that are out there, the tougher it becomes to make a decision. Yet making a decision we must!
Not sure why I felt I had to comment on Noah¡¯s comment/question--I think it was an alternative to heading for a drink (hot chocolate, of course)!
Cheers,
David
David Gouthro, CSP
The Consulting Edge 102-2221 Folkestone Way West Vancouver, BC V7S 2Y6 (604) 926-6858
"How different our world would?be if collaboration triumphed over competition every time.¡±
On Apr 16, 2020, at 3:48 PM, Noah Strauss <Els5343@...> wrote:
Hi all,
Zoom is not currently accessible to deaf and hard of hearing folks. There are no live autocaptions. There is an option to hire a third party captioning service or have someone actively transcribing the call while it is going on. These are not ideal solutions. Live autocaptions are more convenient. How are you making your calls accessible to deaf and hard of hearing folks? Google meet has very accurate live autocaptions.
Noah?
On Thursday, April 16, 2020, Zoelord via <Zoelord=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Sharan,?
I've previously struggled with this - great if you're a participant but not if you're a presenter.? However this week I worked out a new way of seeing my slides, participant cameras and the chat - It was a little convoluted but worked a treat!?
A colleague shared my slides on their screen and gave me access to control the slides and this enabled me to see everything all together - just like a participant would see - slides, chat, polls & cameras.? However, if my colleague touched their screen they took over the control.? Next time I'll set up my ipad and laptop so I can manage both together.?
With 400+ people joining the zoom plus live streaming on Youtube with 200+people it was a bit hairy but worked out great - I like seeing the participants cameras, it makes presenting so much easier.
Zoom is not currently accessible to deaf and hard of hearing folks. There are no live autocaptions. There is an option to hire a third party captioning service or have someone actively transcribing the call while it is going on. These are not ideal solutions. Live autocaptions are more convenient. How are you making your calls accessible to deaf and hard of hearing folks? Google meet has very accurate live autocaptions.
On Thursday, April 16, 2020, Zoelord via <Zoelord=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Sharan,?
I've previously struggled with this - great if you're a participant but not if you're a presenter.? However this week I worked out a new way of seeing my slides, participant cameras and the chat - It was a little convoluted but worked a treat!?
A colleague shared my slides on their screen and gave me access to control the slides and this enabled me to see everything all together - just like a participant would see - slides, chat, polls & cameras.? However, if my colleague touched their screen they took over the control.? Next time I'll set up my ipad and laptop so I can manage both together.?
With 400+ people joining the zoom plus live streaming on Youtube with 200+people it was a bit hairy but worked out great - I like seeing the participants cameras, it makes presenting so much easier.
I've previously struggled with this - great if you're a participant but not if you're a presenter.? However this week I worked out a new way of seeing my slides, participant cameras and the chat - It was a little convoluted but worked a treat!?
A colleague shared my slides on their screen and gave me access to control the slides and this enabled me to see everything all together - just like a participant would see - slides, chat, polls & cameras.? However, if my colleague touched their screen they took over the control.? Next time I'll set up my ipad and laptop so I can manage both together.?
With 400+ people joining the zoom plus live streaming on Youtube with 200+people it was a bit hairy but worked out great - I like seeing the participants cameras, it makes presenting so much easier.
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