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Triac instead of relay ?


Stefan Trethan
 

What kind of wattmeter? A digital meter expecting pure sine will
almost certainly be fooled. And don't the circulating current
wattmeters installed by the power company only measure current?

Alien Steve
the power company meters have a aluminium disk and 2 coils, one for voltage and one for current.
(i reckon a 3 phase unit has 6 coils).
this ensures that really the power is measured. the fields somehow multiply to generate the torque.
(i don't know the details just now but there are coils for voltage and current).
at least this is how the european power meters work.

There certainly can't be any power returned to the supply as there
would be with a capacitive lead or inductive lag load.
exactly what puzzles me.


I thought the definition of reactive power only requires the phase shift.

the problem is if you imagine the first sine approx. of the current it would still be positive
after the voltage is already negative (around the zero crossing).
this is the part where energy is delivered back normally. well, this is only showing at the
first sine approximation, not the real current, the real current always is same polarity as voltage.

I think around this point it the problem, maybe you can not use the sine approximation.
In hardware it would mean to add a filter, containing a capacitor. then it is explained,
the capacitor takes energy during the off state of the triac and gives it back to the source
during the little opposite polarity time.

This is the only explanation i have, there is phase offset but no reactive power.


ST


Roy J. Tellason
 

On Tuesday 20 April 2004 02:06 pm, Stefan Trethan wrote:

the power company meters have a aluminium disk and 2 coils, one for
voltage and one for current. (i reckon a 3 phase unit has 6 coils).
this ensures that really the power is measured. the fields somehow
multiply to generate the torque. (i don't know the details just now but
there are coils for voltage and current). at least this is how the european
power meters work.
The one we have here now is like that. The one where we used to live was
electronic, sort of. The display, instead of being the usual mechanical
stuff, was a small LCD panel which would sequence through a number of
different things, cumulative and otherwise. That gave that particular power
company the ability to nail us for more money during "peak" hours vs.
"off-peak" hours and similar nonsense. I wasn't real happy about that.


Stefan Trethan
 

power meters work.
The one we have here now is like that. The one where we used to live was
electronic, sort of. The display, instead of being the usual mechanical
stuff, was a small LCD panel which would sequence through a number of
different things, cumulative and otherwise. That gave that particular power
company the ability to nail us for more money during "peak" hours vs.
"off-peak" hours and similar nonsense. I wasn't real happy about that.

same here, the new generation is digital with a lcd display.
They say the advantage is that they can do a remote readout if they want
so they no longer have to send one to read it.
In reality most people alerady do their own reading and send the result
in via mail or phone or www. they only do spot tests to avoid cheating.
I bet the new meter gives them some means of charging us more....

It has also a voltage and current multiplying unit, it would
not be fair to disregard the voltage.
it can vary from say 240 to 220 V, or at least 240 to 230V which are a few % less
energy you get out witht the same amps.

ST