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Not that I'm saying people should try to learn to hack but.... the part
about hackers not giving up there secrets isn't necessarily true. There's an
electronic book available for free D\L called "The Great Hacker Crackdown"
which is a true account of what happened when AT&T's long distance went down
& they thought hackers had done it. But the part that was interesting is how
hackers hacked into the local phone system to get free long distance. No one
would have ever caught them except for the fact that they just couldn't keep
it to themselves. After word spread about how it was done, someone thought
it would be really funny to reprogram the phone computer so that when people
tried to call the local police they got a phone sex place instead. That's
when the it all hit the fan. The author said that most hackers just have to
brag to someone or it isn't worth the trouble to hack into a system. D/L the
book, it's a cool story.

Jim

J. Pinkston,

Not that I'm saying people should try to learn to hack but.... the part
about hackers not giving up there secrets isn't necessarily true.

As I say, Never say Never! :-)

I have never had much sympathy for anyone who intentionally caused others wasted
time or money or butted into their business. Hackers, the bad ones, do that. A
hacker, I repeat is a lover of machines, sometimes computers. Some of them have
too much time on their hands and not enough respect for others, so the hack into
computers. Maybe the 'nerd' label applies and the just got teased too much when
they were young and they therefore lost respect for others who did not respect
them.

Jim

Guys,

I just couldn't keep quiet about this one ....

I've been doin' electronics since I was 'bout 9 or 10
years old. And I remember that when the term "hacker"
first popped up ... what it kinda meant was like "a
computer nerd" or "geek". A guy that really dug into
computers. MORE than the average guy....

A guy that EXPLORED and REVERSE ENGINEERED things like
BIOS code ... and "how a .exe executable really
worked".

A guy who wanted to learn it ... inside and out.

A real hobbyist.

Somewhere along the way, "hacker" got a bad (very bad)
connotation. And it irks me, when people ... and the
news media (etc, etc) keep on reinforcing that
stereotype.

Curtis




--- "J. Pinkston" <pinkston@...> wrote:

Not that I'm saying people should try to learn to

hack but.... the part about hackers not giving up
there secrets isn't necessarily true. There's an
electronic book available for free D&#92;L called "The
Great Hacker Crackdown" ......

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2001 04:31:49 -0000
From: monty73741@...
Subject: Re: hacking

first of all hacking is illegal and with the

digital milenium copy right act you can get in alot of trouble....

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Curtis,

A guy that EXPLORED and REVERSE ENGINEERED things like
BIOS code ... and "how a .exe executable really worked".

Exactly.

Somewhere along the way, "hacker" got a bad (very bad)
connotation. And it irks me, when people ... and the
news media (etc, etc) keep on reinforcing that stereotype.

When I was young the only people could pick on were teen agers.
When teen ager did something bad, like 'parking' or mischief,
people got to use the term as though that's all they did.
What if someone saw an auto mechanic trashing a car engine
and someone asked who that was and the reply was, that's
a mechanic. It's a stretch but if mechanics were a bit mysterious
to the general public word could get out, Don't let a mechanic
near your car, they trash engines. That's they way it happens
I think. Just like ham radio operators used to get people angry
at them when they caused radio or TV interference. The people
didn't know about the other things hams did. And of course in
that case the interference was usually not intentional. In fact
most good hams worked hard to avoid causing interference and
usually helped to solve the proem when they did cause any.
Misunderstandings abound, mostly due to less than the whole
story. We can't blame the media people though, they get
their information from whoever is said to know and if that
person is a victim he will probably make it seem that damage
is all hackers know how to do.

Jim

I know Jim ... I know.

It's just that ... I couldn't keep quiet. I just HAD
to stand up and say "hey, wait a minute". In defense
of all the many (true-meaning-of-the-word)(good
people)"hackers" out there.

Especially for the sake of the many "newbies" out
there that are maybe ... unaware.

That's all!!

Thanks for your comments....

Curtis

We can't blame the media people though, they get

their information from whoever is said to know and if
that person is a victim he will probably make it seem
that damage is all hackers know how to do.

Jim

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