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Re: Working wiht plexiglasss - little off the subject

 

Leon Heller:

I dont' think we can get Perspex in the States.
At least, I have never run across it here.

Roland F. Harriston P.D.
***


Leon Heller wrote:


On 27/01/2011 17:41, Terrance wrote:
"Plexiglas" is PMMA...Poly(methyl methacrylate)

It's exactly the same as Lucite.
And Perspex, here in the UK. It used to be made by ICI but I don't know
if they are still around.

Leon
--
Leon Heller
G1HSM


Re: USB I/O device

 

--- In Electronics_101@..., Andrew Villeneuve <andrewmv@...> wrote:

I've heard that the new Arduino UNO boards have configurable USB I/O (The
past versions had USB to Serial conversion, which might still be enough,
depending on your purposes.

All of the requirements you're listing here are pretty standard fare for
microcontrollers, so just about anything (which has at least 16 ports)
should cover you.

The past versions of the Arduino used two of the ports for the USB/Serial
communication itself, though, so that'd only leave you with 14 for your
project. Maybe one of the higher end AVR or PIC boards would suit
you..still pretty inexpensive stuff.

-Andrew

Or, get the USB connectivity with a USB->RS232 cable. Now your uC just has to support RS232 and many do.

There are a lot of platforms that will work and have a bunch of pins but perhaps the MiniSumo Mark III controller will do the job:


The nice thing about this controller is that it has a built-in boot loader. You can download the PC end of the software from the Mark III group here on Yahoo. If you want to use Linux, you'll probably have to write the code to transfer the file but it should be pretty easy.

There are literally hundreds of uC development boards that can do the job. Check out a few at


Richard


Re: USB I/O device

 

--- In Electronics_101@..., John Woolsey <jwoolsey@...> wrote:

I am working on my project. Although I want to make a USB I/O device, I
have realized I just don't have the confidence for it. So I have decided
to buy a USB I/O device and get on with things. I will come back to this
later once I am done more of the project.

So I am trying to find Criteria for the USB device. At the current time
my list is:

Must have Linux drivers (accessible from Java).
Must have Pulse Width Modulation (probably two per device).
Reversible ports would be good Input or output on each pin.
Should have at least 16 ports.
It would be nice if you could time ports to flip on for a short period
(to not burn out solenoids).

It would be used for:
Turning on and off lights. (I think 9V bulbs. Might be 12V).
Sense switches closing.
Firing Solenoids at 48V for short periods so they don't burn out
Holding Solenoids via PWM to keep them fired but not burn them out.
For 48V I am looking to get a power supply and then use a power transistor.

I have looked over the internet and I have found tons of boards that
fit. But I have no experience on which one to choose or what is the
"best board". I am in Toronto ON Can so if there is a supplier there
that would be great.

So advice me please. Any suggestions would be helpful.

thanks
John
I might approach this in one of two ways: First, I would grab up a microcontroller that has the hardware I/O, timer and PWM gadgets you require. To this I would add an FTDI USB->RS232 chip so that I was certain that drivers were available for the chip. Your host application can be written in any language that can talk to /dev/ttyUSBx. The USB chip will show up as a VCOM port under Windows.

The second approach would be to use a chip that can already handle USB and still had all the I/O, timer and PWM gadgets. The NXP LPC2148 comes to mind as it has a USB device gadget and code is available to make it look like a serial port: www.jcwren.com/arm There are many Microchip PICs that also meet these requirements.

Both of those approaches take a ton of development time. Maybe the Arduino is a better platform. It certainly works on all the Windows platforms and it also works on Linux. Again, there is an on-board USB serial chip so your application program just needs to interact with a serial port. Send commands, retrieve results; make up a language for interaction and you are good to go.

I have been playing with the Arduino all morning so, naturally, it comes to mind as a very nice platform for this kind of thing.

Richard


Re: USB I/O device

 

I've heard that the new Arduino UNO boards have configurable USB I/O (The
past versions had USB to Serial conversion, which might still be enough,
depending on your purposes.

All of the requirements you're listing here are pretty standard fare for
microcontrollers, so just about anything (which has at least 16 ports)
should cover you.

The past versions of the Arduino used two of the ports for the USB/Serial
communication itself, though, so that'd only leave you with 14 for your
project. Maybe one of the higher end AVR or PIC boards would suit
you..still pretty inexpensive stuff.

-Andrew

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 2:47 PM, John Woolsey <jwoolsey@...>wrote:



I am working on my project. Although I want to make a USB I/O device, I
have realized I just don't have the confidence for it. So I have decided
to buy a USB I/O device and get on with things. I will come back to this
later once I am done more of the project.

So I am trying to find Criteria for the USB device. At the current time
my list is:

Must have Linux drivers (accessible from Java).
Must have Pulse Width Modulation (probably two per device).
Reversible ports would be good Input or output on each pin.
Should have at least 16 ports.
It would be nice if you could time ports to flip on for a short period
(to not burn out solenoids).

It would be used for:
Turning on and off lights. (I think 9V bulbs. Might be 12V).
Sense switches closing.
Firing Solenoids at 48V for short periods so they don't burn out
Holding Solenoids via PWM to keep them fired but not burn them out.
For 48V I am looking to get a power supply and then use a power transistor.

I have looked over the internet and I have found tons of boards that
fit. But I have no experience on which one to choose or what is the
"best board". I am in Toronto ON Can so if there is a supplier there
that would be great.


Re: Working wiht plexiglasss - little off the subject

 

On 27/01/2011 17:41, Terrance wrote:
"Plexiglas" is PMMA...Poly(methyl methacrylate)

It's exactly the same as Lucite.

And Perspex, here in the UK. It used to be made by ICI but I don't know if they are still around.

Leon
--
Leon Heller
G1HSM


USB I/O device

 

I am working on my project. Although I want to make a USB I/O device, I have realized I just don't have the confidence for it. So I have decided to buy a USB I/O device and get on with things. I will come back to this later once I am done more of the project.

So I am trying to find Criteria for the USB device. At the current time my list is:

Must have Linux drivers (accessible from Java).
Must have Pulse Width Modulation (probably two per device).
Reversible ports would be good Input or output on each pin.
Should have at least 16 ports.
It would be nice if you could time ports to flip on for a short period (to not burn out solenoids).

It would be used for:
Turning on and off lights. (I think 9V bulbs. Might be 12V).
Sense switches closing.
Firing Solenoids at 48V for short periods so they don't burn out
Holding Solenoids via PWM to keep them fired but not burn them out.
For 48V I am looking to get a power supply and then use a power transistor.

I have looked over the internet and I have found tons of boards that fit. But I have no experience on which one to choose or what is the "best board". I am in Toronto ON Can so if there is a supplier there that would be great.

So advice me please. Any suggestions would be helpful.

thanks
John


Re: Sony replacement parts

 

Yes, I did remove all discs and they are sitting on spindles.

Randy

--- In Electronics_101@..., Mark Tolleson <mark1200sportyrider@...> wrote:

Just curious, did you unload all your discs before taking it in? Did you save all your disc packaging?

Mark

Sent from my iPhone.

On Jan 27, 2011, at 1:42 AM, "Randy" <solargasfarts@...> wrote:


Re: Any chip or simple circuit to reverse 1.5V -5V DC motors ?

 

--- In Electronics_101@..., "ppplll000999" <ppplll000999@...> wrote:

Has been looking for SIMPLE way to reverse hobby DC motors to reverse tank or ship turret once mechanical triggered (like by a contact switch). Has to be very simple because it is for tiny scale models :)
For robotics and other hobby devices, reversing is usually done with a H-Bridge although a relay will certainly work. Speed control is often handled by the H-Bridge as well. With the relay approach, there needs to be a separate speed control device - usually just a transistor or MOSFET.

Motor current determines WHICH H-Bridge as they are available from 1A devices like up to drives large enough for a locomotive.

Put your direction control signal on 1A and the inverted signal on 2A. Pulse width modulate the 1,2 EN pin to get speed control (or pull it high). Connect the motor between 1Y and 2Y.

Note that there are 2 other half bridges (or 1 full bridge) left unconnected above.

Be aware that even very small motors can exceed 1A at startup. You can add a clip-on heatsink if you have room. Otherwise, I recommend a PCB with a heatsink (just a large pad) under pins 4,5,12,13. The entire back side of a PCB and a bit on the front side will help.

Be aware of the voltage drops on the high and low outputs (Voh and Vol) - they are 2V EACH. So, at 1A, this chip will lose 4V and dissipate at least 4 watts. The package (free air) can dissipate only slightly more than 2 watts. This voltage drop also reduces the voltage available for the motor.

Google for H-Bridge, there are a lot of hits.

A relay and MOSFET can provide a better solution if there is room. The MOSFET will have almost no voltage drop and the relay is a solid contact.

Richard


Re: Any chip or simple circuit to reverse 1.5V -5V DC motors ?

 

It can be done with a latching relay and a couple of momentary micro switches. I uploaded a PDF file in the files section called DCmotorAutoRev.pdf that shows the connection. So long as the power, +V, exists, the motor will continue to run from one stop to the other.

Basically, when the turret gets to a stop, it closes a momentary micro switch and either sets or resets the latching relay. The latching relay is used to flip the motor voltage so that the motor will run CW or CCW.

Derek Koonce
DDK Interactive Consulting Services

On 1/27/2011 9:53 AM, ppplll000999 wrote:

Has been looking for SIMPLE way to reverse hobby DC motors to reverse tank or ship turret once mechanical triggered (like by a contact switch). Has to be very simple because it is for tiny scale models :)


Re: Any chip or simple circuit to reverse 1.5V -5V DC motors ?

 

Has been looking for SIMPLE way to reverse hobby DC motors to reverse
tank or ship turret once mechanical triggered (like by a contact
switch). Has to be very simple because it is for tiny scale models :)





Some? finds:





====

Basically you can achieve reversing the polarity using relays or using transistors (mosfets).


Jong
















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Re: Working wiht plexiglasss - little off the subject

 

Terrance:

Your are absolutely correct. Nearly the same formulation.
You work with Lucite and Plexiglas in the same manner.

The point that I was trying to make is that in order to do
professional, workman-like jobs with these materials,
it is best to learn how to work with them and what
adhesives and polishing/finishing techniques to use.

For example: Simple "score and snap" cutting of some materials
is different than others. The difference in techniques are
simple, but if you take the wrong approach, you will shatter
the material.

Using the wrong adhesive can often result in cracking, crazing,
and staining the material. If you are going to do any bending
of the material, you should know what temperature ranges
the material can withstand, and how small a radius you are allowed.

Perhaps I'm a bit different that most. I like to do things right.
And I like to know what is "right" before I start a job.

Some of the comments posted on Electronics 101 are really cogent.
Others are just plain kaka.

"You pays yo money, and you takes yo choice"

Roland F. Harriston, P.D.





Terrance wrote:



"Plexiglas" is PMMA...Poly(methyl methacrylate)

It's exactly the same as Lucite.

-Terrance

--- In Electronics_101@...
<mailto:Electronics_101%40yahoogroups.com>, "Roland F. Harriston"
<rolohar@...> wrote:

If I recall correctly, "plexiglass" is an old trade name that DuPont
Corp. used for their version
of a particular acrylic material. Every plastics manufacturer had a
trade name for their various products.

So, first you must know exactly the generic or technical name for the
material you are working with.
Then, you can find the correct adhesive for that particular material,
and how to cut, mold and/or
machine that material.

You can Google the trade name of the material you want to work with,
and
then find the correct
methodologies for working with that material

All of these "plastics" ...whatever they are called commercially, are
specific polyresin formulations,
each requiring different working techniques.

There is no "one adhesive fits all" situation. If you use the wrong
technology with a particular
material, you wind up with a ugly, unstable, cracked and warped mess.

Roland F. Harriston, P.D.
****



vaclav_sal wrote:

I would like to use plexiglass as my project enclosure (so everybody
can see my messy design!)

My questions:
What to use for gluing. Superglue leaves nasty residue film on
everyting and if not accessible it looks crappy.
(So what if they use it to get fingerprints.)
It needs to be strong, fast drying and absolutely invisible.

How do you polish plexiglass? ( The cut edges need to be polished)
I recall using toothpaste, but there must be something made
specificly
for plexi.
Thanks for reading.
Vaclav AA7EJ


Any chip or simple circuit to reverse 1.5V -5V DC motors ?

 

Has been looking for SIMPLE way to reverse hobby DC motors to reverse tank or ship turret once mechanical triggered (like by a contact switch). Has to be very simple because it is for tiny scale models :)


Re: Working wiht plexiglasss - little off the subject

 

"Plexiglas" is PMMA...Poly(methyl methacrylate)

It's exactly the same as Lucite.

-Terrance

--- In Electronics_101@..., "Roland F. Harriston" <rolohar@...> wrote:

If I recall correctly, "plexiglass" is an old trade name that DuPont
Corp. used for their version
of a particular acrylic material. Every plastics manufacturer had a
trade name for their various products.

So, first you must know exactly the generic or technical name for the
material you are working with.
Then, you can find the correct adhesive for that particular material,
and how to cut, mold and/or
machine that material.

You can Google the trade name of the material you want to work with, and
then find the correct
methodologies for working with that material

All of these "plastics" ...whatever they are called commercially, are
specific polyresin formulations,
each requiring different working techniques.

There is no "one adhesive fits all" situation. If you use the wrong
technology with a particular
material, you wind up with a ugly, unstable, cracked and warped mess.

Roland F. Harriston, P.D.
****



vaclav_sal wrote:

I would like to use plexiglass as my project enclosure (so everybody
can see my messy design!)

My questions:
What to use for gluing. Superglue leaves nasty residue film on
everyting and if not accessible it looks crappy.
(So what if they use it to get fingerprints.)
It needs to be strong, fast drying and absolutely invisible.

How do you polish plexiglass? ( The cut edges need to be polished)
I recall using toothpaste, but there must be something made specificly
for plexi.
Thanks for reading.
Vaclav AA7EJ


Re: Sony replacement parts

 

... not many parts are left in Japan once production is
started - why keep anything that is out-dated.
to.... keep customers happy, maybe?

====

Seriously speaking, I do find the solution clever - offer to sell newer model "at discount".? Traditionally warranty and service is not a money making division.? But by up-selling them they get a chance to turn them into return customers.? So clever.


Jong






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Re: Sony replacement parts

 

And they can be F@$%**g stupidly expensive!

That's not their fault.? That's our fault.

When I was traveling to far east asia, the locals are dirty cheap.? They just won't pay a lot for product made by unskilled laborers.? So restaurant food is dirt cheap.? The same dish (noodle dish) cost $2 (USD equivalent) there and here in NYC it cost $9.? The same is true of anything that can be made by unskilled labor (back there).? People are so cheap, they NEVER tip.? They bargain like crazy for everything - and tip is like giving away free money!!

If we weren't so willing to fork over our cash, the price of things will drop.? And I'll be a little bit richer.


Jong

P.S.? when I say "unskilled labor" I'm talking about kind of jobs usually done by people without college type of edu (no offense intended).? For me, I can't cook to save my life - and that's a skill I can't master.? Cooking is a real skill in my book.






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Re: LCD monitor power supply

Stefan Trethan
 

Don't divert to an unrelated topic. If you take just about any 10 year old
capacitor out of a drawer (which was at voltage zero) the capacitance will
be within spec.
Capacitance changes over voltage happen with some ceramic capacitors, but
not to a significant degree with electrolytic.

ST

On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 3:56 PM, AlienRelics <alienrelics@...> wrote:

I don't know what the failure mechanism might be. My conclusions aren't set
in stone, nor were they reached very scientifically.

Maybe the real problem is that if you replace caps in existing equipment
with higher voltage rating caps, they are larger and that puts them closer
to heat producing components around them and slows airflow patterns,
overheating the caps and causing early failure.

BTW, if that 400V rated aluminum electrolytic cap self-regulates down to
25V, the capacitance is going to change as the dielectric oxide layer gets
thinner. And I'd not count on it being the same thickness all over.

We disagree on whether or not ESD can do hidden damage to equipment, too.
And there is a lot of proof of that.


Re: Sony replacement parts

 

Nice solution to help the customer.

It does not surprise me that Sony does not repair older parts; it takes too much time to debug. Also, some parts may not be available since they were probably custom and that part is no longer made. Sony's design cycle is about 6 months. And by the time it hits the market, a new version is being moved into production. Some exceptions do exist such as PS systems.

Furthermore, with production all being moved to China, not many parts are left in Japan once production is started - why keep anything that is out-dated.

(I do know about the timing since Sony was my customer years ago when I worked in the semiconductor industry. Visited them three to four times a year; several sites around Tokyo. I do even have the GPS coordinates from my heavy travel days; Toshiba, Philips, even out of Japan such as LG, Samsung, Acer, etc.)

Derek Koonce
DDK Interactive Consulting Services

On 1/27/2011 6:41 AM, Kirk McLoren wrote:


years ago when I had a computer store I contacted Sony corporate re repairs on
a monitor that had been sent in for repairs over 6 months before. I asked them
to return the unit unrepaired so I could place it in my store window with a sign
telling why I couldnt in all conscience sell Sony monitors anymore. My customer
had a free upgrade to a bigger better monitor within a week.
Some companies just build stuff. A friend of mine who had toured Sony in Japan
said if a board failed they didnt repair it - they crushed it. They dont even
repair their own stuff they just build another. Our throwaway society
Kirk

________________________________
From: Mark Tolleson <mark1200sportyrider@... <mailto:mark1200sportyrider%40yahoo.com>>
To: "Electronics_101@... <mailto:Electronics_101%40yahoogroups.com>" <Electronics_101@... <mailto:Electronics_101%40yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 6:30:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Electronics_101] Sony replacement parts


Just curious, did you unload all your discs before taking it in? Did you save
all your disc packaging?

Mark

Sent from my iPhone.

On Jan 27, 2011, at 1:42 AM, "Randy" <solargasfarts@... <mailto:solargasfarts%40yahoo.com>> wrote:

I have a Sony 400 disc DVD changer model DVP-CX995V. My repair man
says it
needs the laser assembly and it has now been at his shop for over
eight months.
He is not a ripoff guy, he used to live in my apartment building and
was friends
with everyone and his shop is in good standing with the Better
Business Bureau.
His parts supplier did verify receiving his parts request, so, I am
wondering if
anyone can shed some light as to why it is taking so long to get the
Sony part
that he needs.

Thanks.
Randy




Re: Sony replacement parts

 

Some companies just build stuff. A friend of mine who had toured Sony in Japan
said if a board failed they didnt repair it - they crushed it. They dont even
repair their own stuff they just build another.?
Of course. Why repair? !! ?? Cost of parts is minuscule.? The cost of skilled labor to debug a board is expensive.? And even then there's no guarantee the "fixed" board will work flawlessly.? When a customer gets a fixed machine that fails again - it costs them more money (lost future sales).

I once bought Averatec laptop.? It was returned to the factory 3 times (starting within days of purchase).? The third time they AGAIN wanted to install another new HD.? I had to spend few hours talking to the tech and the tech's manager that it isn't the HD but the motherboard.? And it was finally fixed with a new motherboard.? Now I would not buy another Averatec computer (due to my bad experience of repeat returns).



Jong


Re: LCD monitor power supply

 

I don't know what the failure mechanism might be. My conclusions aren't set in stone, nor were they reached very scientifically.

Maybe the real problem is that if you replace caps in existing equipment with higher voltage rating caps, they are larger and that puts them closer to heat producing components around them and slows airflow patterns, overheating the caps and causing early failure.

BTW, if that 400V rated aluminum electrolytic cap self-regulates down to 25V, the capacitance is going to change as the dielectric oxide layer gets thinner. And I'd not count on it being the same thickness all over.

We disagree on whether or not ESD can do hidden damage to equipment, too. And there is a lot of proof of that.

<>



<>


Steve Greenfield AE7HD

--- In Electronics_101@..., Stefan Trethan <stefan_trethan@...> wrote:

That's just not plausible. The dielectric layer will always be sufficient
for the applied voltage, it is a self regulating process. It might not be
sufficient for the rated voltage if operated for very extended periods very
much below it, same as if it was stored without any voltage, but even that
condition can be rectified by reforming. There is just no mechanism that
causes a capacitor to fail sooner if operated at lower voltage. Just the
opposite, if you use a 400V capacitor in place of say a 25V one it will last
much much longer simply because the can is physically much larger which
always leads to a higher lifetime. I regularly replace capacitors in old
test gear with the largest can size that can be accommodated, which means a
higher voltage rating at the same capacity.

There might be things tech learn through experience, but there might
actually be things the capacitor manufacturers know for sure and techs may
just have misinterpreted.

Anyway this whole reforming issue isn't of all that much importance unless
you are dealing with decades old equipment. Even then it is usually not
needed. Only very old gear (with linear supplies) may be powered up with a
variac, and even there are dangers such as overloading components with the
low input voltage, regulator valves for example.
The jury is divided over the idea, and the only undisputed way to reform
capacitors in such situations is by feeding the internal supply rails with
external current limited supplies. Not worth worrying about in all but the
most exceptional circumstances.

ST


On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:08 PM, AlienRelics <alienrelics@...> wrote:


Running an aluminum electrolytic capacitor at well under its rated voltage
will cause the oxide layer to not reform correctly and the leakage current
may rise. Then the heat can cause pressure that causes leaks around the
seals, drying out the electrolyte.

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Re: Sony replacement parts

 

years ago when I had a computer store I contacted Sony corporate re repairs on
a monitor that had been sent in for repairs over 6 months before. I asked them
to return the unit unrepaired so I could place it in my store window with a sign
telling why I couldnt in all conscience sell Sony monitors anymore. My customer
had a free upgrade to a bigger better monitor within a week.
Some companies just build stuff. A friend of mine who had toured Sony in Japan
said if a board failed they didnt repair it - they crushed it. They dont even
repair their own stuff they just build another. Our throwaway society
Kirk





________________________________
From: Mark Tolleson <mark1200sportyrider@...>
To: "Electronics_101@..." <Electronics_101@...>
Sent: Thu, January 27, 2011 6:30:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Electronics_101] Sony replacement parts

?
Just curious, did you unload all your discs before taking it in? Did you save
all your disc packaging?

Mark

Sent from my iPhone.

On Jan 27, 2011, at 1:42 AM, "Randy" <solargasfarts@...> wrote:

I have a Sony 400 disc DVD changer model DVP-CX995V. My repair man says it
needs the laser assembly and it has now been at his shop for over eight months.
He is not a ripoff guy, he used to live in my apartment building and was friends
with everyone and his shop is in good standing with the Better Business Bureau.
His parts supplier did verify receiving his parts request, so, I am wondering if
anyone can shed some light as to why it is taking so long to get the Sony part
that he needs.

Thanks.
Randy

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