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Indexing #ESI #RELS


Richard
 

I see that John is going to talk about his indexer in the near future.
The ELS also has some indexing capability. The system allows seeing the
current chuck position to 0.1 of a degree. I used this yesterday to
scratch two lines 180 deg apart on the OD of a job for a further
operation. It could be used for engraving a dial.
Richard


 

Richard, how is the ELS used for indexing?

I do not have ELS running yet, so I am still in the understanding/thinkingboutit phase.

Ralph

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 9:46 AM Richard <edelec@...> wrote:
I see that John is going to talk about his indexer in the near future.
The ELS also has some indexing capability. The system allows seeing the
current chuck position to 0.1 of a degree. I used this yesterday to
scratch two lines 180 deg apart on the OD of a job for a further
operation. It could be used for engraving a dial.
Richard




--
Clausing 8520, Craftsman 12x36 Lathe, 4x12 mini lathe, 14" Delta drill press, 40 watt laser, Consew brushless DC motors and a non working 3D printer


Richard
 

The ELS options are Feed Control, Taper cutting, Threading, and Indexing
The control panel for the system has 5 momentary buttons, four in a N E
S W layout (cross), and one the the left of this set. The four in the
cross can be thought of as up, down, left, right. The other button is
the selection button.
Presses of the selection key cycles you through the options discussed
and their sub options.
When you are in the Indexing option the screen will show

??? Req:? 0.00???? z:? 1
??? Act:? 0.00???? a:? 1

Act: shows the current position of the spindle in degrees
z: shows the required number of increments
a: shows the current number of increments
Req: shows the required angular position for the current increment number

Presses of the Up and Down button will increment or decrement the z value

Let us assume that we want 100 divisions on the OD of a dial which is in
the chuck. We have a Vee shaped tool which we can traverse across the
dial OD to leave a groove.

Press up to increment z: to 100
Traverse across the dial OD with the tool
Press the right button to increment a: to 2
Req: will now show 3.6. Manually rotate the spindle until Act matches
Req. If you overshoot you can reverse.
Traverse across the dial OD with the tool
Press the Right button to increment a: to 3
The display will now show

??? Req:? 7.20 ? ? z:100
??? Act:? 3.60 ??? a:? 3

Manually rotate the spindle etc etc

Some may find this option useful some not but it is there as the use of
the encoder for the primary ELS functions makes it available.

Any queries just yell.
Richard

On 29/08/2019 15:10, Ralph Hulslander wrote:
Richard, how is the ELS used for indexing?

I do not have ELS running yet, so I am still in the
understanding/thinkingboutit phase.

Ralph

On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 9:46 AM Richard <edelec@...
<mailto:edelec@...>> wrote:

I see that John is going to talk about his indexer in the near future.
The ELS also has some indexing capability. The system allows
seeing the
current chuck position to 0.1 of a degree. I used this yesterday to
scratch two lines 180 deg apart on the OD of a job for a further
operation. It could be used for engraving a dial.
Richard




--
Clausing 8520, Craftsman 12x36 Lathe, 4x12 mini lathe, 14" Delta drill
press, 40 watt laser, Consew brushless DC motors and a non working 3D
printer


 

Hi Richard!

Is there any provision for locking the spindle (mechanically), cross slide (electronically), and/or carriage (electronically) into position during indexing? Some machining operations (drilling, tapping, etc) could cause the spindle to move out of position. Or is this a not usually a problem?

Thanks!


 

Hi Eddie, I have several types of spindle lock, see photos.
but you can always mount a gear or index ring on the spindle.
Tricky as do not disturb the bearing tension system.
I either locate off the 100 mm chuck, with jig bored holes off the perimeter, then I made up a ring that?
clamps between the chuck and the spindle flange. later i prefer, as?I now run a 125 mm chuck?
regularly and have not bored this chuck perimeter.
All holes are 15 degree apart. Good enough for nominal splines and key-ways.
The ELS angle display is right on the money comparing my bored ring and chuck holes, or is it the ELS is
correct to my bored holes.
Either way, the bored holes were put in using the Arduino step indexer.
The indexer pin is spring loaded and slides into a body that clamps to the lathe bed.
Just unclamp when not required.

Regards.

--
John


Richard
 

No. Any locks needed to combat rotation, movement or backlash are up to
the operator.
Richard

On 29/08/2019 17:25, Fast Eddie wrote:
Hi Richard!

Is there any provision for locking the spindle (mechanically), cross
slide (electronically), and/or carriage (electronically) into position
during indexing? Some machining operations (drilling, tapping, etc)
could cause the spindle to move out of position. Or is this a not
usually a problem?

Thanks!


Richard
 

On my lathe I have a section keyed to the spindle with holes to take a
pin on a lever. This manually engages to lock the spindle to allow the
chuck to be unscrewed. If I wanted a Spindle clamp I would remove the
lever and replace with a simple OD clamp like a big end on a conrod. I
am not too bothered with X and Z as I would be using one or both in a
process in conjunction with the indexing capability.
Richard

On 29/08/2019 19:07, John Lindo wrote:
Hi Eddie, I have several types of spindle lock, see photos.
but you can always mount a gear or index ring on the spindle.
Tricky as do not disturb the bearing tension system.
I either locate off the 100 mm chuck, with jig bored holes off the
perimeter, then I made up a ring that
clamps between the chuck and the spindle flange. later i prefer, as?I
now run a 125 mm chuck
regularly and have not bored this chuck perimeter.
All holes are 15 degree apart. Good enough for nominal splines and
key-ways.
The ELS angle display is right on the money comparing my bored ring
and chuck holes, or is it the ELS is
correct to my bored holes.
Either way, the bored holes were put in using the Arduino step indexer.
The indexer pin is spring loaded and slides into a body that clamps to
the lathe bed.
Just unclamp when not required.

Regards.

--
John


 

Ok, thanks!

Beautiful work, beautifully photographed as always, John!