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Re: A Drip Coolant System #MISC

 

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Lindo
Sent: August-30-21 11:18 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [digitalhobbyist] A Drip Coolant System #MISC

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John D
Can you send a STL or Dxf of the pump and gears you printed.
I maybe able to scale up and or down a tad to increase the gear contact.
Thanks?
John L
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John


Re: A Drip Coolant System #MISC

 

John D
Can you send a STL or Dxf of the pump and gears you printed.
I maybe able to scale up and or down a tad to increase the gear contact.
Thanks?
John L
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John


Re: A Drip Coolant System #MISC

 

For completeness, if anyone is using Marks code linked in post #1610 below, it's been up dated tonight to alter the behaviour of the alert.

Julian


Cover photo description

 

Septembers 2021 cover photo?
Burger holders 3D printed.?

Photo shows Male and Female halves fitted together.
The female tenon air gap is 2 mm wide , male tenon is1.5 mm thick, total height 38 mm.
Two halves printed at the same time in one color, second set printed in a different color, then mixed and matched?
to emulate the famous Burger supplier colors.?
An excellent test for proving out accuracy of 3D machines and a practicle present for regular Burger eaters.??
Simple rinse under warm soapy water for hygine purposes after use.
I hope of interest.
Have a good digitalhobby September.?

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John


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The gear version is printed as one item.? Theoretically the gears have a tiny bit of clearance.? With shrinkage they had more than a tiny bit.? I don't think it's supposed to be able to come apart.? I don't normally print 0.15mm.? I have done some 0.1mm layers but normally run 0.3mm or 0.4mm with 20% infill.?

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I suppose one could try 0.1mm or 0.2mm and maybe less infill or maybe 100% infill.? But this particular one took 3 hours.? Now that I've played with it I have issues with the design.? And the moment you add a piece with 3 pins to hold the gears at a fixed diameter the gears turn on the pins, you need lubrication and at this point might as well use the 3 or 4 bearing technique.

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Anyway, it's not worth spending money on tubing to try and make it work.

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John

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ralph Hulslander
Sent: August-22-21 7:22 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [digitalhobbyist] A Drip Coolant System #MISC

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John, did you print the whole pump at one time?

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Ralph

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On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 7:38 AM Julian <julian@...> wrote:

I'd go along with it requiring some sort of carrier ... nice idea though.

3mm ID tube and the original motor will give you quite a respectable flow.? May need to speed control the motor as you can't throttle a peristaltic pump.? I got squirted with oil when a pipe blew off?whilst testing the original motor and a 1mm ID drip tube.


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Clausing 8520, Craftsman 12x36 Lathe, 4x12 mini lathe, 14" Delta drill press, 40 watt laser, Consew brushless DC motors and a non working 3D printer


Re: A Drip Coolant System #MISC

 

John, did you print the whole pump at one time?

Ralph

On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 7:38 AM Julian <julian@...> wrote:
I'd go along with it requiring some sort of carrier ... nice idea though.

3mm ID tube and the original motor will give you quite a respectable flow.? May need to speed control the motor as you can't throttle a peristaltic pump.? I got squirted with oil when a pipe blew off?whilst testing the original motor and a 1mm ID drip tube.


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Clausing 8520, Craftsman 12x36 Lathe, 4x12 mini lathe, 14" Delta drill press, 40 watt laser, Consew brushless DC motors and a non working 3D printer


Re: A Drip Coolant System #MISC

 

I'd go along with it requiring some sort of carrier ... nice idea though.

3mm ID tube and the original motor will give you quite a respectable flow.? May need to speed control the motor as you can't throttle a peristaltic pump.? I got squirted with oil when a pipe blew off?whilst testing the original motor and a 1mm ID drip tube.


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Well that was a disappointment.? I used 1.5mm and 40% infill.? After 3 hours it came off the build plate and the gears were not locked.? But it really meshes too loosely.?

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In the photo you can see a pipe cleaner I'm using as a simulated tube which shifts the assembly in the area where there is no tube and then one of the bottom gears disengages.?

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I think the only way this would work is the same way a planetary gear system does with a carrier that keeps the gear spacing correct.? Push hard enough in the no tube area and the bottom gear falls out.? You can see in the photo the bottom one barely engages.

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John

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Dammeyer
Sent: August-21-21 6:29 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [digitalhobbyist] A Drip Coolant System #MISC

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But having said that I'm also printing this since it doesn't need any bearings.

As soon as it's cool enough to remove from the glass build plate I'll see if the gears turn and post a picture.

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John

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: August-21-21 5:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [digitalhobbyist] A Drip Coolant System #MISC

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I have to admit, printing the pump never occurred to me.? Some nice designs there.


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For entertainment I've ordered this from China.? I've included the tubing because who knows how hard it might be to source.

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But having said that I'm also printing this since it doesn't need any bearings.

As soon as it's cool enough to remove from the glass build plate I'll see if the gears turn and post a picture.

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John

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: August-21-21 5:20 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [digitalhobbyist] A Drip Coolant System #MISC

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I have to admit, printing the pump never occurred to me.? Some nice designs there.


Re: A Drip Coolant System #MISC

 

I have to admit, printing the pump never occurred to me.? Some nice designs there.


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A quick google search shows up items like this:

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which is a remix from

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which is a remix from

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With instructions here.

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And even more here.

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John

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: August-21-21 2:05 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [digitalhobbyist] A Drip Coolant System #MISC

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Thanks, Gene.

Interesting reading ... could be a future project!

All be it for a different duty, I've joined ONAEM and I'm using a couple of the little Chinese pumps (linked below) with 2mm ID tubing.? Initially I was driving them using 2BBYJ-48 and ULN2003 driver boards.? I found that driving them 20¡ã produced an oil drip about 9 times out of 10 but I wanted more repeatability so I added a photo interrupter to monitor the drips and changed to S30K geared DC motors producing 15 rpm.?

I'm conscious of changing the theme of this thread, but below are a few photos of progress to date ...



Pump housing and connection board.



One pump clipped to bottom of motor housing.



Drive shaft connecting motor and pump.



Oil tank.



Sight glass, drip tube and PI sensor which mounts in place of the old mechanical drip oilers.

Mark has written some great software, including a detailed wiki and windows program that writes Arduino sketches (for idiots like me who don't understand C++) which can be found on his GitHub page here ...??

If any other ONAEM member wants STL files to print an adapter between either motor and the cheap pump, I'd be happy to oblige.

Julian


Re: A Drip Coolant System #MISC

 

Hi Julian , good luck with your set up please keep me informed with more photos and text will be following.


Re: A Drip Coolant System #MISC

 

Thanks, Gene.

Interesting reading ... could be a future project!

All be it for a different duty, I've joined ONAEM and I'm using a couple of the little Chinese pumps (linked below) with 2mm ID tubing.? Initially I was driving them using 2BBYJ-48 and ULN2003 driver boards.? I found that driving them 20¡ã produced an oil drip about 9 times out of 10 but I wanted more repeatability so I added a photo interrupter to monitor the drips and changed to S30K geared DC motors producing 15 rpm.?

I'm conscious of changing the theme of this thread, but below are a few photos of progress to date ...



Pump housing and connection board.



One pump clipped to bottom of motor housing.



Drive shaft connecting motor and pump.



Oil tank.



Sight glass, drip tube and PI sensor which mounts in place of the old mechanical drip oilers.

Mark has written some great software, including a detailed wiki and windows program that writes Arduino sketches (for idiots like me who don't understand C++) which can be found on his GitHub page here ...??

If any other ONAEM member wants STL files to print an adapter between either motor and the cheap pump, I'd be happy to oblige.

Julian


Re: A Drip Coolant System #MISC

 

Damm, somewhere in my piles of stuff I have a peristaltic pump. that needs a top 3D printed.
But I have not seen it in years.

I sorta like the gravity drip method better than a pump.

I also have a , which if Iremember did not really work well.

Once I get all of?my projects done and actually start machining I will have to look into this.

Ralph

On Sat, Aug 21, 2021 at 1:47 PM Gene Pavlovsky <gene.pavlovsky@...> wrote:
Hey Julian,

Here's a link to the post I've seen a peristaltic pump being used:

The maker doesn't go into a lot of detail, but you can get the general idea.
You can find a lot of these pumps by searching "dosing pump" on eBay.
From my understanding, for dosing low amounts you probably want, it's best to get one for the smallest diameter tubing.
I bought a second-hand medical pump myself, I think they are normally used for IV transfusions, for about 60 EUR, it's called Gilson Minipuls 2.
A bit bulky compared to the cheap one from eBay, but everything is integrated, and provides a very wide range of adjustment via a multi-turn potentiometer and very smooth flow due to using 10 rollers instead of 3.

Even though you didn't ask for it, in case anyone is interested, here is my other collection of links on FogBuster-style DIY systems:







Cheers
Gene


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Clausing 8520, Craftsman 12x36 Lathe, 4x12 mini lathe, 14" Delta drill press, 40 watt laser, Consew brushless DC motors and a non working 3D printer


Re: A Drip Coolant System #MISC

 

Hey Julian,

Here's a link to the post I've seen a peristaltic pump being used:

The maker doesn't go into a lot of detail, but you can get the general idea.
You can find a lot of these pumps by searching "dosing pump" on eBay.
From my understanding, for dosing low amounts you probably want, it's best to get one for the smallest diameter tubing.
I bought a second-hand medical pump myself, I think they are normally used for IV transfusions, for about 60 EUR, it's called Gilson Minipuls 2.
A bit bulky compared to the cheap one from eBay, but everything is integrated, and provides a very wide range of adjustment via a multi-turn potentiometer and very smooth flow due to using 10 rollers instead of 3.

Even though you didn't ask for it, in case anyone is interested, here is my other collection of links on FogBuster-style DIY systems:







Cheers
Gene


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I can get a pump in about two weeks through amazon.ca for $58 Cdn. ?Way too expensive if we're going to use the "Obliterate North American and European Manufacturing" (ONAEM) approach.? You can make this by purchasing this pump, then also order a small stepper motor from China.?

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Connectors and other bits from China. I'm sure it can be manufactured without using a single North American part or supplier.

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John Dammeyer.

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Lindo
Sent: August-21-21 10:25 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [digitalhobbyist] A Drip Coolant System #MISC

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John D

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Thanks

I may build one?

the most expensive item is the pump

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John

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On Sat, 21 Aug 2021 at 18:23, John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:

I cut the page into smaller pieces and translated to English and added the links.

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Product information "Pump control 1.5"

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With this board it is possible to control the peristaltic pump, which is necessary to fully use the ColdEND.

The board takes over the control of 2 valves (air and liquid)

The stepper motor is also controlled.

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There are 3 inputs on the controller.

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??? 1. For the coolant - If this input is activated, the valve for the coolant also switches automatically

??? 2. A fast feed - this means that the minimum quantity lubrication can be filled directly when the milling machine is switched on without having to adjust the settings again.

??? That was one point that always annoyed me the most about needle valves. Here you simply press the button and the pump pumps the hose for the MQL fully again. Because despite the non-return valve, some liquid keeps pulling back in the hose over the course of the day.
??? 3. The input for switching the compressed air valve - this input can optionally be used if you only want to cool with air. If this is not desired, the inlet for the cooling lubricant and the inlet for the air can simply be bridged.

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All 3 inputs work both with 24V control voltage from the CNC control (provided that GND is connected to one another) and with a switching contact.

The pump output and the duration of the "spit mode" are determined via the potentiometer. If the potentiometer for the spit mode is turned all the way to the left, it is deactivated.

The function of the spit mode enables the cooling lubricant to be delivered quickly every time the minimum quantity lubrication is switched on, e.g. by means of an M7 command. Thus becomes

either the cooling nozzle is filled and cooling lubricant is immediately available again on the tool. Or if more time has been set using the potentiometer

the tool is pre-lubricated before it is engaged.

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The pump control board is supplied without additional components. So further components and a little soldering experience are needed to finish assembling the board!
?
All links marked with * are affiliate links, if you buy with them I get a small commission, nothing changes for you.
The links lead to products that are examples of what you want to use in the end with your ColdEND. It is just a matter of
a suggestion.
No liability is assumed for the correct functioning of components from the links!

?

!ATTENTION! Unfortunately, I made a labeling error on the board with Rev. 1.3! GND and 5V for the relay board are labeled incorrectly. Here 5V = GND and vice versa. As of Rev. 1.4, this error has already been resolved!
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I do not accept any liability for injuries and / or damage to people, animals or equipment caused by working with the soldering iron or improper handling of electricity!
?
Boards on which soldering work has started cannot be exchanged!
?
If you have no basic electronic knowledge or have never had a soldering iron in hand, please get help from friends, acquaintances or a qualified electrician!
?
Subject to changes
No liability is accepted for improper use.
Boards that have been assembled (soldering, etc.) cannot be exchanged.

?

Related links to "Pump control 1.5"
?
??? Questions about the article?
?
??? Arduino Nano Compatible Controller *
?
??? A4988 stepper motor driver *
??? The relay board *
?
??? pump
??? The firmware for the ColdEND (now also with display)
??? More products from END-CNC
?
Available downloads:
?
 ???Download description and assembly instructions Rev 1.3 and 1.4
?
??? Download circuit diagram Rev. 1.3 and 1.4
?
??? Download the board as a .Step file
?
??? Download description and assembly instructions Rev 1.5

?

?

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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gerritv
Sent: August-21-21 4:04 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [digitalhobbyist] A Drip Coolant System #MISC

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A full schematic and software are available here:?

Video(s) here:?

YouTube has an automatic subtitle and translate option for those who don't understand German. It works reasonably well.

Gerrit


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John


Re: A Drip Coolant System #MISC

 

Thanks John D
The most expensive item is the pump
I may build a unit later

John L
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John


Re: A Drip Coolant System #MISC

 

John D

Thanks
I may build one?
the most expensive item is the pump

John



On Sat, 21 Aug 2021 at 18:23, John Dammeyer <johnd@...> wrote:

I cut the page into smaller pieces and translated to English and added the links.

?

?

Product information "Pump control 1.5"

?

With this board it is possible to control the peristaltic pump, which is necessary to fully use the ColdEND.

The board takes over the control of 2 valves (air and liquid)

The stepper motor is also controlled.

?

There are 3 inputs on the controller.

?

??? 1. For the coolant - If this input is activated, the valve for the coolant also switches automatically

??? 2. A fast feed - this means that the minimum quantity lubrication can be filled directly when the milling machine is switched on without having to adjust the settings again.

??? That was one point that always annoyed me the most about needle valves. Here you simply press the button and the pump pumps the hose for the MQL fully again. Because despite the non-return valve, some liquid keeps pulling back in the hose over the course of the day.
??? 3. The input for switching the compressed air valve - this input can optionally be used if you only want to cool with air. If this is not desired, the inlet for the cooling lubricant and the inlet for the air can simply be bridged.

?

All 3 inputs work both with 24V control voltage from the CNC control (provided that GND is connected to one another) and with a switching contact.

The pump output and the duration of the "spit mode" are determined via the potentiometer. If the potentiometer for the spit mode is turned all the way to the left, it is deactivated.

The function of the spit mode enables the cooling lubricant to be delivered quickly every time the minimum quantity lubrication is switched on, e.g. by means of an M7 command. Thus becomes

either the cooling nozzle is filled and cooling lubricant is immediately available again on the tool. Or if more time has been set using the potentiometer

the tool is pre-lubricated before it is engaged.

?

The pump control board is supplied without additional components. So further components and a little soldering experience are needed to finish assembling the board!
?
All links marked with * are affiliate links, if you buy with them I get a small commission, nothing changes for you.
The links lead to products that are examples of what you want to use in the end with your ColdEND. It is just a matter of
a suggestion.
No liability is assumed for the correct functioning of components from the links!

?

!ATTENTION! Unfortunately, I made a labeling error on the board with Rev. 1.3! GND and 5V for the relay board are labeled incorrectly. Here 5V = GND and vice versa. As of Rev. 1.4, this error has already been resolved!
?
I do not accept any liability for injuries and / or damage to people, animals or equipment caused by working with the soldering iron or improper handling of electricity!
?
Boards on which soldering work has started cannot be exchanged!
?
If you have no basic electronic knowledge or have never had a soldering iron in hand, please get help from friends, acquaintances or a qualified electrician!
?
Subject to changes
No liability is accepted for improper use.
Boards that have been assembled (soldering, etc.) cannot be exchanged.

?

Related links to "Pump control 1.5"
?
??? Questions about the article?
?
??? Arduino Nano Compatible Controller *
?
??? A4988 stepper motor driver *
??? The relay board *
?
??? pump
??? The firmware for the ColdEND (now also with display)
??? More products from END-CNC
?
Available downloads:
?
 ???Download description and assembly instructions Rev 1.3 and 1.4
?
??? Download circuit diagram Rev. 1.3 and 1.4
?
??? Download the board as a .Step file
?
??? Download description and assembly instructions Rev 1.5

?

?

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gerritv
Sent: August-21-21 4:04 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [digitalhobbyist] A Drip Coolant System #MISC

?

A full schematic and software are available here:?

Video(s) here:?

YouTube has an automatic subtitle and translate option for those who don't understand German. It works reasonably well.

Gerrit


--
John


Re: A Drip Coolant System #MISC

 

¿ªÔÆÌåÓý

I cut the page into smaller pieces and translated to English and added the links.

?

?

Product information "Pump control 1.5"

?

With this board it is possible to control the peristaltic pump, which is necessary to fully use the ColdEND.

The board takes over the control of 2 valves (air and liquid)

The stepper motor is also controlled.

?

There are 3 inputs on the controller.

?

??? 1. For the coolant - If this input is activated, the valve for the coolant also switches automatically

??? 2. A fast feed - this means that the minimum quantity lubrication can be filled directly when the milling machine is switched on without having to adjust the settings again.

??? That was one point that always annoyed me the most about needle valves. Here you simply press the button and the pump pumps the hose for the MQL fully again. Because despite the non-return valve, some liquid keeps pulling back in the hose over the course of the day.
??? 3. The input for switching the compressed air valve - this input can optionally be used if you only want to cool with air. If this is not desired, the inlet for the cooling lubricant and the inlet for the air can simply be bridged.

?

All 3 inputs work both with 24V control voltage from the CNC control (provided that GND is connected to one another) and with a switching contact.

The pump output and the duration of the "spit mode" are determined via the potentiometer. If the potentiometer for the spit mode is turned all the way to the left, it is deactivated.

The function of the spit mode enables the cooling lubricant to be delivered quickly every time the minimum quantity lubrication is switched on, e.g. by means of an M7 command. Thus becomes

either the cooling nozzle is filled and cooling lubricant is immediately available again on the tool. Or if more time has been set using the potentiometer

the tool is pre-lubricated before it is engaged.

?

The pump control board is supplied without additional components. So further components and a little soldering experience are needed to finish assembling the board!
?
All links marked with * are affiliate links, if you buy with them I get a small commission, nothing changes for you.
The links lead to products that are examples of what you want to use in the end with your ColdEND. It is just a matter of
a suggestion.
No liability is assumed for the correct functioning of components from the links!

?

!ATTENTION! Unfortunately, I made a labeling error on the board with Rev. 1.3! GND and 5V for the relay board are labeled incorrectly. Here 5V = GND and vice versa. As of Rev. 1.4, this error has already been resolved!
?
I do not accept any liability for injuries and / or damage to people, animals or equipment caused by working with the soldering iron or improper handling of electricity!
?
Boards on which soldering work has started cannot be exchanged!
?
If you have no basic electronic knowledge or have never had a soldering iron in hand, please get help from friends, acquaintances or a qualified electrician!
?
Subject to changes
No liability is accepted for improper use.
Boards that have been assembled (soldering, etc.) cannot be exchanged.

?

Related links to "Pump control 1.5"
?
??? Questions about the article?
?
??? Arduino Nano Compatible Controller *
?
??? A4988 stepper motor driver *
??? The relay board *
?
??? pump
??? The firmware for the ColdEND (now also with display)
??? More products from END-CNC
?
Available downloads:
?
 ???Download description and assembly instructions Rev 1.3 and 1.4
?
??? Download circuit diagram Rev. 1.3 and 1.4
?
??? Download the board as a .Step file
?
??? Download description and assembly instructions Rev 1.5

?

?

?

From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Gerritv
Sent: August-21-21 4:04 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [digitalhobbyist] A Drip Coolant System #MISC

?

A full schematic and software are available here:?

Video(s) here:?

YouTube has an automatic subtitle and translate option for those who don't understand German. It works reasonably well.

Gerrit


Re: A Drip Coolant System #MISC

 

Thanks, nice pump.? Looks far more up-market than the ones I'm using, but considerably more expensive.