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#3000 -Honesty in Advertising?

dave w
 

and the consequences for history.

I'll just lob this out there and see what the high-ups think.

A1G 3000 Series: 60 Foot Bulkhead Log Flat Cars

Nominally stated as 60' in length-these are a shy shorter and now it's a factor that actual cars of close lengths- 57' mechanical reefers or 60' boxcars are being modelled.

According to my calibrated N scale rule, they actually measure up at 57'6" maximum outside/ external length. As can be safely measured, that's 56'6" inside (between end bulkheads, though not that relevant I guess). Contrasting with the 1964 ORER measurements cited.

Should these cars now be redefined and more accurately portrayed?
{I have one that had lost it's weight and underframe before I purchased, but topside and running is unaffected}.
regards davew
 

It is in keeping with early N scale for descriptions to not be entirely accurate.

\:^)

Doug

In a message dated 5/27/2019 1:22:11 AM Central Standard Time, groupsmaster@... writes:

and the consequences for history.

I'll just lob this out there and see what the high-ups think.

A1G 3000 Series: 60 Foot Bulkhead Log Flat Cars

Nominally stated as 60' in length-these are a shy shorter and now it's a factor that actual cars of close lengths- 57' mechanical reefers or 60' boxcars are being modelled.

According to my calibrated N scale rule, they actually measure up at 57'6" maximum outside/ external length. As can be safely measured, that's 56'6" inside (between end bulkheads, though not that relevant I guess). Contrasting with the 1964 ORER measurements cited.

Should these cars now be redefined and more accurately portrayed?
{I have one that had lost it's weight and underframe before I purchased, but topside and running is unaffected}.
regards davew

dave w
 

Ok Doug,
short and to the popint.

To say, again for the:

A1G 3020 Series: 50 Foot Container Flat Cars.

These measure 54' external and 53' IL.
Crazy stuff.

I'll get back to these as I have a summary under way (yes held over from March).
learmoia
 

Do either of those cars have a prototype?..?
Regardless of length accuracy.

And since when have guys been concerned about length..?

~Ian

On Mon, May 27, 2019, 01:57 dave w <groupsmaster@...> wrote:
Ok Doug,
short and to the popint.

To say, again for the:

A1G 3020 Series: 50 Foot Container Flat Cars.

These measure 54' external and 53' IL.
Crazy stuff.

I'll get back to these as I have a summary under way (yes held over from March).

dave w
 

Hah Ian, you bad man...

Well yeah they do - more on the 'tank' rack flat when I get my summary done (a close clone that is).
cheers 'davew
dave w
 

I was also intimating that George could improve the 'information value' of A1G site with addition of? noting the precise dimensions in view of discrepency.
regards davew
 

Dave and all,

I think it's fair to say that only a small fraction of N Scalers today have even a modest interest in A1G.?

Of those, I really wonder how many are that interested in how 50 year old tooling aligns with the prototype-- particularly obscure ones like the 3000 series.? If anything, there's more concern with whether the railroads for which the cars are decorated even owned these cars.? (The most spectacular example I can think of on this is not A1G: the AHM/Roco "Flexi-Flo" pressurized covered hopper, which was not offered in a single roadname for which it actually existed, and was not offered for the New York Central, which actually owned them.)

If someone other than me is willing to take an N Scale Ruler and check out the key dimensions for A1G equipment, sure, I'll eventually modify the pages.? But I'd submit that it's well known that these are models at 1:160 proportion which were restricted by the available technology... Even now with 2019 models, it's not perfect, and probably will never be 100% spot on.

Cheers,
George

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learmoia
 

I agree, I'm not interested in prototypicalness of vintage models other than maybe seeing what they were 'trying' to reproduce.??

I'd be more interested in efforts to produce similar data on other vintage mfgs with a focus on complete correct data.. (i.e. Not Trovestar)

Tony Cook? did a nice page in HO (with a bit of N)? Something like that in N would be great..?

On Mon, Jun 10, 2019, 08:26 G.J. Irwin <groups@...> wrote:

Dave and all,

I think it's fair to say that only a small fraction of N Scalers today have even a modest interest in A1G.?

Of those, I really wonder how many are that interested in how 50 year old tooling aligns with the prototype-- particularly obscure ones like the 3000 series.? If anything, there's more concern with whether the railroads for which the cars are decorated even owned these cars.? (The most spectacular example I can think of on this is not A1G: the AHM/Roco "Flexi-Flo" pressurized covered hopper, which was not offered in a single roadname for which it actually existed, and was not offered for the New York Central, which actually owned them.)

If someone other than me is willing to take an N Scale Ruler and check out the key dimensions for A1G equipment, sure, I'll eventually modify the pages.? But I'd submit that it's well known that these are models at 1:160 proportion which were restricted by the available technology... Even now with 2019 models, it's not perfect, and probably will never be 100% spot on.

Cheers,
George

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