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I'm happy to announce to the A1G gang that I am working on plans to
include the passenger cars on my A1G site.

I'm hoping to get this done by the end of the year. I have a block
of vacation during the holidays, and hey, I have to do something!

Meanwhile, I have added Doug Gosha's A1G locos site to the links
within the A1G home page.

Cheers,
George
Your list-owner, A1G webmaster, etc.

What I said above.

I decided to list and write pages in the order Atlas released them and not
separated into steam and diesel. Sound OK?

Doug

I added images to the C-Liner page

Doug

Hi everybody,

I have added a page about the C-Liners to the site. Also, I have added some
more information on the E8 page in the basic construction area dealing with the
current paths. Some other minor additions and/or corrections such as changing
the latest insert date for my latest E8 from 4-69 to 1-69.

<A href=">A1G Motive Power</A>

Doug

That link didn't work in my last post.

<A href=">A1G Motive Power</A>

I manipulated the images of the front and rear E8 trucks so that the detail
shows better.

<A href="http:/members.aol.com/dgosha">Atlas First Generation Motive Power</A>

Hi George,
Is this spamming your talking about pop ups or something that attaches itself to a e-mail? As far as pop up goes, I got the ability to block those. E-mails are another story. I got my main and junk. Just wish I got more main then that spamming junk type. I guess those groups that do the spamming are trying to find new ways to get their junk out as their being squeezed out in some of their conventional ways as to some of the new pop up blockers. But I hear you though.......We don't need that "junk".
Rick

From: "umtrr" <gji@...>
Reply-To: a1g@...
To: a1g@...
Subject: [a1g] ADMIN: Some Moderation Ahead
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 01:40:39 -0000

Hi all--

With an apparent increase on spammers trying to get into groups, I
have made a slight change in the policy for A1G. I've invoked the
ability to moderate new members messages.

I'm determined to ensure that this group isn't invited to send money
to an unspecified locality, buy prescription drugs for less, or
enlarge anything (except their A1G accumulations).

I apologize in advance to any of the new members who are here for the
reason the rest of us are here-- to discuss the Atlas 1st Generation
of N Scale model trains. I hope this won't inconvenience you too
much.

Cheers,
George
Your list-owner

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Could you please tell me the web site address again?
I misplaced it and your message did not list it.

Thanks,
Tom

dgosha@... wrote:

Hi all--

With an apparent increase on spammers trying to get into groups, I
have made a slight change in the policy for A1G. I've invoked the
ability to moderate new members messages.

I'm determined to ensure that this group isn't invited to send money
to an unspecified locality, buy prescription drugs for less, or
enlarge anything (except their A1G accumulations).

I apologize in advance to any of the new members who are here for the
reason the rest of us are here-- to discuss the Atlas 1st Generation
of N Scale model trains. I hope this won't inconvenience you too
much.

Cheers,
George
Your list-owner

I've added a little more dialog and some comparative images in the truck
sections on the E8 page (also renamed links to be more meaningful).

Doug

Hi everybody,

I have added a page dealing with the E8s mostly gleaned from previous
writings but including some images.

In the future, I will have roadname info and images, hopefully popup ones
like George has on his site. He has graciously given me permission to steal his
code if I need to:")

Doug

Hi everybody,

This is mainly directed to Edward but if anybody else wants to contribute
with scans, they will be given credit too.

These are the roadnames of different models that I don't have:

SD45

#2144 Penn-Central

GP40

#2171 Santa Fe
#2172 ACL
#2174 Penn-Central
#2175 Southern Pacific

Plymouth WTD (original version)

#2163 Burlington
#2164 Pennsylvania

RSC-2

#2152 Monon
#2153 Erie-Lackawanna
#2154 New York Central

USRA Pacific

#2118 ACL

I haven't decided whether to include the Cow and Calf locos yet as A1G motive
power (maybe they would fall under A1.5G) but if I do include them on my
site, I don't have any of them.

Also, I've been doing a little more work on the site and now have a little
more written (in larger font) and a link to an image of the page in the '67
Atlas catalog that showed the E8 and C-Liner.

Thanks and Regards,
Doug

Thanks Edward!

When I get to the point of wanting to link to images of different roadnames,
I will ask for your help (being that I'm new at creating a web site).

I really appreciate your offer.

Doug

include images and information regarding the first generation
locomotives.

I could send you scans of several locomotives I have in my
accumulation for your site.

Edward Bridges
Granger, TX

Hi everybody,

I have just started a website that will hopefully, in the future, include
images and information regarding the first generation locomotives.

There's not much there yet (an E8 image, introduction, and links to George's
and Ross' sites.

<A href=">Atlas First Generation Motive Power</A>

Regards,
Doug

Hi everybody,

A tip for anyone using these or just wanting their collected locomotives to
run better.

In addition to cleaning and/or repairing these units, I have found that
replacing the traction tires makes a huge difference in performance.

Much of the noise associated with them is due to the original vinyl tires
hardening over the years (originally very pliable) and rumbling along the track
and transmitting mechanism noise. Traction will be very much improved also.

I cut my own tires from some silicone tubing I got from where I used to work.
It is about 3/16" diameter O.D. and about 1/8" I.D. (a little thinner wall
would be ideal).

I know there are other sources for replacement tires too, like Stewart, but I
don't know what material is used for these. If they are soft and pliable,
they should work OK.

I have found that some of the units I got from eBay that were very noisy
running down the track and could barely pull themselves, let alone any cars, are
now surprisingly quiet and can pull an almost unlimited number of cars.

Regards,
Doug

Was looking through the accumulation "extras" today and discovered
that I have a variation on the 2245 Burlington (CB&Q) 2 bay ribside
hopper.

Nothing like an excuse to update that hoppers page, and I've done so
with popups of each of the cars, plus a large comparison shot of the
two different Burlington hoppers. The difference is mainly in the
herald...

Have a look at your leisure.

Cheers,
George in Ellison Park
(Your list-owner)

I see that Dave Alexander (aka "transactual") has put up a bunch of
A1Gs and a couple of Katy double door boxcars that I count in the
A1.5G's out on that popular Internet Auction Community.

There's an A1G 2303 NYMX 1020 and an A1G 2224b orange roof Blatz
Beer "refrigerator" among the lots. Might be some buys there.

No affiliation except that I just grabbed a variation on the 2222
National Dairy Despatch "refrigerator" from him on the last round of
auctions. You'll see that scanned in as soon as possible after I get
it here...

--Your list-owner

Hi everybody,

I will now write about the variations of the Atlas E8 diesels for those who
may be interested (anybody?). I will divide the discussion into headings based
on the different parts.

BODY (Santa Fe only)

The earliest units have a different silver color than later units. It is a
duller, almost greener silver than the later carbodies. This is apparent when
placing the two variations side by side.

I have found four variations in the red used also. There is a bright
semi-gloss, a bright flat, a darker semi-gloss, and a darker flat. I believe that the
bright semi-gloss was only on the earliest units because my original E8 that I
bought in 1967 (box insert date - 9-67) has this finish whereas the one I
bought in 1969 (box insert date - 1-69) has the darker flat finish. I have seen
the latter three variations intermixed on units from 1968 - 1969.

There are variations in the brightness and opacity of the yellow Santa Fe
herald on the nose. This ranges from a very bright and opaque yellow to a very
dark and almost see-through yellow. I have also seen the registration between
the yellow and the black lines being off.

BODY (Remaining Road names)

I haven't seen any appreciable differences in these units.

FRAME

I haven't seen any appreciable differences here either except for the
"Zamacitis" that some suffer from where the casting cracks and swells and, if bad
enough, crumbles when handled. The swelling can be bad enough to where the frame
will get stuck in the body or even push out and crack the carbody casting!

The parts, other than the motor, mounted to the frame (light bulb, front
contact plate and wire) seem to have remained consistent throughout the
manufacture period.

Dallas Mallerich, in the Greenberg guide, indicates that some frames
(chassis) had only two motor mounting holes drilled diagonally instead of all four
holes but I have never seen any like this (although I have seen it with C-Liner
frames). Also, it is difficult to tell if the holes are actually drilled or
merely cast into the frame.
To me, it looks like they were cast.

FRONT TRUCK

The earliest units have the wheels merely rotating on the axles that make
contact with the phenolic contact plate with no springs.

Next came mounting a different wheel on a different axle with a shoulder on
it and a coil spring between them to maintain pressure between the wheel and
axle for better electrical continuity.

The latest is the sprung wheel/axle in conjunction with auxiliary contacts
mounted on the truck frame. These contacts are sprung shoes that make direct
contact with the rail for the ultimate in current pickup! The truck frames were
changed for this also with holes to make room for the barrel of the contacts.
Thus, you can't add the auxiliary contacts to older frames (a major
disappointment when I was a young lad).

As an aside, it is easily apparent that an effort was made during the
manufacture of these units to improve the electrical pickup of the front truck
because, after all, this is the only place where pickup is taking place! There may
be some incidental pickup on the ground side of the rear truck through the
wheels, gears, motor shaft, and motor can when one-side insulated axles were used.
More on this next. It was a fairly major frustration with the earliest
versions to keep pickup effective because it didn't take long for dirt to get
between the contact surfaces of the wheels and axles and a stuttering E8 was the
result!

REAR TRUCK

The earliest units have only one side of the wheelset insulated from the axle
and, as a result, there was some pickup from the ground side of the truck.
Not that it is reliable pickup what with all the parts current has to flow
through and grease or oil on the motor bearings. These had to be oriented
correctly, also, or a short would result. Later units have both wheels insulated so the
orientation doesn't matter. Of course, any current conduction is lost too.

Earlier units have straight-cut gears on the driven axles and idler gear. The
gear teeth are parallel to the axle. Later units have helical-cut gears. the
gear teeth are at an angle to the axle. This is apparent upon close scrutiny.
This was done for better mesh with the worm, I'm sure.

The earliest units have the rear truck retained with a snap ring and washer
mounted in the groove at the end of the motor worm. Later units use a copper
retainer plate fastened to the truck with the front screw and sliding into the
groove on the end of the worm. When I say earlier and later, it's relative
because I don't think it took too long before Rivarossi went with the retainer
plate method. Probably way too many complaints about lost snap rings from
customers and dealers!

There are some variations regarding traction tire placement too. It seems
that most of these units have the tires on the right side of the locomotive on
the two driving axles. Of course if one-side insulated axles are used, it would
dictate that the traction tires be on the right side to avoid a short,
assuming the traction tire side is the insulated side. There are, however, some units
with the tires on the left side of the locomotive and some with the tires on
either side of the middle axle. These, of course, would be mounted on axles
insulated on both ends. Dallas Mallerich indicates, again in the Greenberg
guide, that some have tires on all the wheels of the power truck but I have never
seen any like this.

MOTOR

The famous (or infamous) Rivarossi can motor comes in colors! (sort of). The
earliest ones are black (presumably so they can't be seen easily) and the
later ones are one of two different colors of silver. Some have an almost
stainless steel look to them and others have a more aluminum look.

The black motor cap has a mold number (1,2,3, or 4) and ITALY molded into one
side and Rivarossi molded into the other side (both on the top of the cap).
Sometimes the Rivarossi is on the right side when the motor is mounted and
sometimes it's on the left. This doesn't matter as long as the motor can is
oriented properly. There are two notches in the can into which the cap fits. These
end up being at the front and rear of the motor mounting. One notch has a flat
bottom and the other has a vee shaped bottom. The vee shaped notch MUST be at
the ground end where the ground contact and brush attach (the rear end, in
this case). If it's oriented incorrectly, the locomotive will go the wrong way
for a given polarity on the track.

Some of the brush holders have rounded heads on them and some (most) have
flat heads with a groove included near the end.

Sometimes the right rear and left front frame holes were used to mount the
motor with screws and sometimes the right front and left rear; never all four,
although that may have been the original intent being that there are four
holes.

Inside the motor, there is a variation in the commutator form. In the earlier
units, the form is a little less substantial with only the slots in the
flanges to keep the commutator segments in alignment. The later units have flanges
that are a little thicker and there are grooves in the flange at the shaft end
to keep the tabs of the commutator segment in place. This change was no doubt
due to the tendency of the commutator forms on the earlier units to crack or
to cook and melt down from heat.

Um, there were also different colors of wire used for the armature windings
(OK getting a little too nutso).

Dallas makes mention of a variation in the worm in that some have a flat edge
and some have a beveled edge. I'm not really clear as to what he's referring
here whether it's the edge toward the motor or the edge toward the end with
the shaft and groove. I have seen only one type, however (beveled at the shaft
end).

Well, that's all I can think of. If anybody notices anything else that's
different from what I have stated, feel free to notify us.

Also, any reference I have made to Dallas and his observations in the
Greenberg guide are strictly for comparative purposes only and not to disagree with
or otherwise reduce the importance of his work. His efforts in writing the
Greenberg guide and compiling the information contained therein was monumental,
especially considering his age at the time (17).

Regards,
Doug

I have the following A1G locomotives for sale:

2105 EMD E8 CNW excellent shape, in box (box has lot of tape
residue) $15
2123 FM C MILW excellent shape, in box (box lid cracked) $15


I have the following freight equipment in boxes for sale:

2206 40' box BAR in box, lid cracked $3
2282 40' pulpwood flat IC (lumber load) (box lid hazed) $3
2301 50' steel referigerator ATSF (yellow carbody) $3
2304 50' steel refrigerator PFE $3
2331 50' double door box PRR (HAVE TWO OF THESE) $3 each
2348 jumbo tank Warren $3
2366 40' wood box GN $3
3004 60' bulkhead flat DRGW $5 (box in bad shape but car in
excellent shape)
3121 86' stock car NP $15
3123 86' stock car ALPX (Food Fair) $25

I also have about 20-30 loose cars in great shape (no boxes) that I
am willing to sell or trade (need to look up stock numbers). If you
are interested in any of these email me directly for a list.

I am willing to trade these for locomotives/cars I need to finish
out my accumulation.

Edward Bridges
Granger, TX