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Rick wrote...

I'm glad to get all these e-mails from everyone concerning A1G.

It's really good to see all the positive responces on these great
models. Sure brings back a lot of good memories seeing pictures of
all the motive power and freight cars when N scale was in it's
infancy.

Keep it rolling!
Rick

As your list-owner, I'm happy to see the increased activity. What
I'd really like to see next is an increase in the "readership," and
the number of visits to the trio of A1G sites. I don't really have a
lot of time to plug this group given the current state of affairs
here-- besides, I should be working on getting those passenger car
scans in!

But I think that we should do some sort of "recruiting." It would be
nice if we set a modest goal, say 50 members by the end of the year,
and perhaps a proportional increase in the number of "active"
members. (I've never seen a group where <everyone> posts.) We have
32 e-mail addresses signed up right now; I assume that means 32
individuals.

There are any number of venues in which we could "advertise" our
efforts. One of them is the N Scale Collector-- it's not just Micro-
Trains, of course. I'll take that one.

Other ideas?

George

I posted the three different insert labels for the #2206 BAR boxcars in the
photo section.

Doug

Hi,

I have added some new scannings from the 1971/72 catalogue from
Atlas/Rivarossi on "Files".

Back in the mid seventies I bought "a lot" of the Atlas/Rivarossi
stock at my local shop when they did have a sale. I have it piled up
somewhere at home so beeing inspired by the a1g group it's time to go
thru it to see what I have.

Regards
Ola Ahlstrom
Malmo, Sweden

Ola wrote:

Hi,

I have added some new scannings from the 1971/72 catalogue from
Atlas/Rivarossi on "Files".

Back in the mid seventies I bought "a lot" of the Atlas/Rivarossi
stock at my local shop when they did have a sale. I have it piled up
somewhere at home so beeing inspired by the a1g group it's time to go
thru it to see what I have.

Regards
Ola Ahlstrom
Malmo, Sweden

Thanks for the scans Ola. Very interesting. Although much the same as the
U.S. offerings, I note some differences.

The brown E.L. 50" double door boxcar is shown #2496. This is the one in the
Greenberg guide that was originally listed as being real rare but was
corrected in the supplement as being a European release. I see that the available cars
are listed in a different series than in the U.S.- 249X rather than 233X.

The Soo Line hopper #2241 is listed among the 4 bay hoppers.

#2265 Dupont single dome tank car is shown as being yellow and green instead
of silver as over here.

I see some second generation cars are shown too.

Doug

Funny you should mention about the 0-6-0T as I had the Atlas version upto about a year and a half ago. I didn't have the original case and insert with it so I can't comment about the actual part number. I sold it to a friend of mine who's a member of the Orange County N-gineers a modular group here in Ca. He was able to fine tune it and get it back into running condition. It was definately a saddleback steam loco as George mentioned and was a Rivarossi model manufactured for Atlas.

I'm glad to get all these e-mails from everyone concerning A1G. It's really good to see all the positive responces on these great models. Sure brings back a lot of good memories seeing pictures of all the motive power and freight cars when N scale was in it's infancy.
Keep it rolling!
Rick

From: George Irwin <gji@...>
Reply-To: a1g@...
To: a1g@...
Subject: Re: [a1g] Question about an Atlas 0-4-0T
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:06:06 -0500

At 07:39 PM 11/22/2003 +0000, you wrote:

I was just looking through the scans of the Atlas/Rivarossi catalog
and noticed a small 0-4-0T shown. Mfr # 2187.

Let's see... I have two variations of #2169 (not 2187) that are both
0-6-0Ts, not 0-4-0Ts. Reminds me, I still need to scan these for Doug...

There was also an 0-6-0T that Atlas sold as a "Saddle Tank Engine" which it
is, I'm looking at it right now on the shelf. This one would be sort of a
one and a halfth generation if my mental calendar is correct, by the
way. Will need to make a scan of that for Doug too!

I own three of these, all came from Con-Cor, but one of them is
STILL marked ATLAS inside the body shell on the underside of the cab
roof, even though it came from Con-Cor.

I seem to dimly recall that Con-Cor sold some repacked Rivarossi stuff
under its own brand... actually that's been true for a while, but I don't
mean the equipment that Riva did specifically for Con-Cor after Atlas went
"independent" and moved production to the USA and/or Kato.

I will try to post scans of this engine (I have stripped the factory
paint from it, but other than that it is unatlered).

Anyone know if Atlas ever relesed this engine as 2187? I would like
to know.

So would I, for that matter. Here's a kicker: Wingard doesn't show a 2187
in his list! 2185 is the Saddle Tanker and 2186 is an 0-4-0 with
tender. (He then jumps tot he 4000s with the SW-1500s.)

I wonder if that "2187" is the same 0-4-0 without a tender and with a
coupler attached to the back? It would look kind of silly, though.

Ed, you should be able to post the scans right to the Files
section. Belated thanks to Ola for his posts there as well.

--George, Your list-owner

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Oops, forgot to mention the difference in the "Automated Railway" shield. On
the "A" car, the map is kind of more scrunched top to bottom than on the "C"
car.

Doug

I also posted the two variations I have of this car. #2333A has black
letering, #2333C has blue and extra reporting marks (both are kind of hard to see in
the scan). Easier to see is the different shapes of the U.P. shield and the
difference of the lettering and stripes within it.

Doug

I uploaded an image to the photo section showing the two variations of this
release. I believe that the black lettered version is the earlier one.

Doug

I recently came across another set of those 94' tank cars and found
a variation in the 3111 CITGO.

The difference is in the CITGO logo. Of the two I have, one has
black lines inside the red triangle and the other doesn't.

I do not see any other variations in the other three tank cars.

I do have several other cars I have found variations in, which I
will post as time permits (it a busy week in the meat industery
right now [my line of work]).

Edward Bridges
Granger, TX

It is quite possible that this little engine was only sold
overseas. I have only ever seen 5 of them and all were in Rivarossi
packaging and labeling.

This scan posted to this group is where I got the 2187 from. I will
post scans of the Atlas markings insdide the shell as time permits
as well as the entire engine.

Edward Bridges
Granger, TX

I added pages for the GP40s and Pacifics + some other minor info updates.

Doug

I think what this is all about is that Atlas released some things in Europe
that were not released in the U.S. (the brown Erie Lackawanna 50" boxcar, for
instance).

Ola's scans he sent to the list site include this locomotive and the scans
are from a European catalog.

It's completely possible that Rivarossi used leftover Atlas parts after their
relationship with Atlas ended (being that Rivarossi is infamous for having
continual financial problems).

Doug

At 07:39 PM 11/22/2003 +0000, you wrote:

I was just looking through the scans of the Atlas/Rivarossi catalog
and noticed a small 0-4-0T shown. Mfr # 2187.

Let's see... I have two variations of #2169 (not 2187) that are both 0-6-0Ts, not 0-4-0Ts. Reminds me, I still need to scan these for Doug...

There was also an 0-6-0T that Atlas sold as a "Saddle Tank Engine" which it is, I'm looking at it right now on the shelf. This one would be sort of a one and a halfth generation if my mental calendar is correct, by the way. Will need to make a scan of that for Doug too!

I own three of these, all came from Con-Cor, but one of them is
STILL marked ATLAS inside the body shell on the underside of the cab
roof, even though it came from Con-Cor.

I seem to dimly recall that Con-Cor sold some repacked Rivarossi stuff under its own brand... actually that's been true for a while, but I don't mean the equipment that Riva did specifically for Con-Cor after Atlas went "independent" and moved production to the USA and/or Kato.

I will try to post scans of this engine (I have stripped the factory
paint from it, but other than that it is unatlered).

Anyone know if Atlas ever relesed this engine as 2187? I would like
to know.

So would I, for that matter. Here's a kicker: Wingard doesn't show a 2187 in his list! 2185 is the Saddle Tanker and 2186 is an 0-4-0 with tender. (He then jumps tot he 4000s with the SW-1500s.)

I wonder if that "2187" is the same 0-4-0 without a tender and with a coupler attached to the back? It would look kind of silly, though.

Ed, you should be able to post the scans right to the Files section. Belated thanks to Ola for his posts there as well.

--George, Your list-owner

I was just looking through the scans of the Atlas/Rivarossi catalog
and noticed a small 0-4-0T shown. Mfr # 2187.

I own three of these, all came from Con-Cor, but one of them is
STILL marked ATLAS inside the body shell on the underside of the cab
roof, even though it came from Con-Cor.

I will try to post scans of this engine (I have stripped the factory
paint from it, but other than that it is unatlered).

Anyone know if Atlas ever relesed this engine as 2187? I would like
to know.

Edward Bridges
Unofficial Historian of the Crab Orchard & Egyptian Railroad
Former CO&E Employee: 1986-1987
Modeling the CO&E in N Scale: 1978-1982
Co-author of ongoing book project: The Crab Orchard & Egyptian
Railroad: 30 Years of Shortline Railroading in Southern Illinois:
1973-2003
Owner of two Yahoo groups:

on

Member of AustNtrak, Austin, TX
A1G accumulator
Granger, TX (formerly of Marion, IL)

Does anyone want to part with a helium car?

I only have one of each of the four releases (three still in
original boxes).

Will keep you in mind as I come across a lot of A1G stuff, usually
duplicate, since I am on the warpath to find variations, and have
found a LOT of them (found one on a 94' tank car this morning!). I
do have quite a bit of surplus stuff, but no helium cars (yet).

Sorry I can't help with helium cars.


Edward Bridges
Unofficial Historian of the Crab Orchard & Egyptian Railroad
Former CO&E Employee: 1986-1987
Modeling the CO&E in N Scale: 1978-1982
Co-author of ongoing book project: The Crab Orchard & Egyptian
Railroad: 30 Years of Shortline Railroading in Southern Illinois:
1973-2003
Owner of two Yahoo groups:

on

Member of AustNtrak, Austin, TX
A1G accumulator
Granger, TX (formerly of Marion, IL)

Chance wrote:

Does anyone want to part with a helium car? Or know someone who does?

Thanks,
Chance Angell

What? You expect any of us to part with any of our precious A1G cars? Just
kidding.

I can't help because I only have one of each and in that case, I wouldn't
part with any.

Edward?

Regards,
Doug

I added a page for the RSC-2s and made some other additions - images on the
motor page, added email links on some pages etc.

<A href=">AIG Motive Power</A>

Doug

Hi,

I have added som scannings from the Atlas/Rivarossi 71/72 showing US
engines. If any intresse I can add additional scannings of cars and
passanger stock. Pictures to be found on "Files".

Regards

Ola Ahlstrom
Malmo, Sweden

I corrected the error on my site concerning the electrical testing of the
Riva. armature. Although it still won't be clear to those who are not familiar
with electricity or Ohm's law, I added a statement that should be easier to
follow.

Thanks,
Doug

Hi everybody,

I added a page dedicated to the Rivarossi motors to my site. I already see
that I made an error regarding the electrical check of the armature because if
one winding is open, but the other two are still OK, there will still be some
current flow through the two remaining coils.

I will get this corrected shortly.

Doug