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As this thread has to do with paying attention to what one is doing (the
upside down lettering), I noticed now that I can be counted among the
negligent. I spelled the company name "Texico". Of course, it is "TexAco".

Doug

Hi all,
I sure haven't seen any of those 94' tankers in years but now since I'm on the look out for those A1G finds, I curious to see that car with the upside decal on it. I remember having some of those cars during the late 60's to 70's but I don't recall having that Texico model. I wonder if those decals were put on by hand and not by stamp as more model n-scale models are. Aren't those early Atlas cars neat? I like those just as much as the MT cars. Did anyone remember the A1G car kits that Atlas produced. I put a lot of those kits together and wish I could find some unassembled ones. You'll never know what will turn up at private sales and swapmeets.
Happy Hunting,
Rick

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By the way, Alan, I forgot to mention that if you got both the 3112 and 3114
in new condition for $10, you got a really good deal!

Doug

OK, you guys got me curious so I looked too. Mine is the same way. The other
three are hunky-dory.

Somebody must have gotten the stamp mounted upside down in the holder for
that run (assuming stamp application of course).

Doug

At 04:11 AM 08/15/2001 +0000, you wrote:

One thing I noticed was that on the 3112 Texaco, the small white data
on the far right end of the car (blt. date, "Liquified Petroleum Gas
Only", AAR test data, etc.)is printed both backwards and upside-down!

Had to look... mine is the same way. Fascinating...

--Your moderator

Hello all!
It's me, the new guy. I went to a small train show this weekend
and got 5 A1G cars. My prize finds were two 94'"whale belly" tank
cars: 3114 GATX and 3112 Texaco! Both with original boxes, no
structural defects or missing parts, and fine paint. Each had a price
tag of $6 and the seller came up to me and said "Tell you what, how
about $10 for the pair of them?" I just about croaked. These are very
nice cars. Interesting how they designed those huge double-trucks.
One thing I noticed was that on the 3112 Texaco, the small white data
on the far right end of the car (blt. date, "Liquified Petroleum Gas
Only", AAR test data, etc.)is printed both backwards and upside-down!
The 3114 GATX doesn't have these errors. It doesn't detract from the
car in my mind, I was just curious if you guys were aware of this
"characteristic" and whether it was on all of the 3112's.
Just for the record, the other cars were B&O passenger cars 2611
and 2613 and depressed center flatcar 2341 CN (yeah, it didn't have
its brakewheel either!)
Take care all!

Alan S.

Hi everybody,

The Greenberg guide indicates that there are three colors of the transfer
caboose (cat.#2435) of this series; tuscan, red, and yellow.

I finally got a red one after months and months of eBaying.

Has anybody actually ever seen the other two colors?

Thanks,
Doug

Oops. I forgot to add that you are welcome to ask questions. Atlas was the
first equipment I bought back in '67 so I've been around awhile as have some
others, I'm sure.

Doug

There is a Greenberg guide to N Scale. It was written by Dallas Mallerich in
1981 and there is a supplement from 1985.

Although there are a few errors, it is a worthwhile reference to the early N
Scale releases.

These show up on eBay every once and a while. I have also seen one in a hobby
shop that sold a lot of books. This was a while ago, however.

Regards,
Doug

Hi all,
This is a very interesting subject, but I admit I'm new to it. I love
George Irwin's A1G site, but I'd like to find some printed material
on the subject also. I can't find the book by Barry Wingard anywhere.
Is there another guide to A1G out there somewhere? Perhaps a
Greenburg Price Guide of sorts? Thanks for your help!

Alan Seamans

Loud, clear and normal (?) in Cedar Grove,

David

George Irwin wrote:

Is anyone else getting the postings back in really small print? I may need
to adjust the group's settings. I don't have this problem on any of the
other yahoogroups including my UMTRR...

--
"One grandfather worked for the Pennsylvania Railroad,
The other worked for the Baltimore & Ohio.
I have every damn right to be schizophrenic!"

Everything OK here George.

Doug

Is anyone else getting the postings back in really small print? I may need
to adjust the group's settings. I don't have this problem on any of the
other yahoogroups including my UMTRR...

--Your moderator

Forwarded and trimmed from the n_scale list: I *think* that
this is within the rules.

Dennis

------- Forwarded Message

To: "n_scale@..." <n_scale@...>
From: "Donald L. Keiser" <keisman@...>
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 21:49:58 -0400
Subject: FS: Atlas / Rapido / ConCor [n_scale]

[ ... ]

The following cars are all vintage Atlas freight cars, built in the late
60's. Condition is MINT, complete with the original box and all of the
inserts, plastic and paper.
(1) Atlas #3001, N&W 60' Bulkhead Flatcar with load
(1) Atlas #3003, WM 60' Bulkhead Flarcar with load
(2) Atlas #3022 C&O 55' Container Flatcar with load
(2) Atlas #3024 Katy 55' Container Flatcar with load
Cars are $10.00 each plus $4.00 for shipping USPS.

------- End of Forwarded Message

KCowan wrote in part:

I have two versions of the A1G 2351 (Pennsy 50ft flat car with 2 Acme

trailers).

On the 1st version the printing on the trailer inside the circle spells
FASTEFREIGHT as pictured on the A1G website.

On the 2nd version it is spelled FASTFREIGHT ( no E in the middle). The
lettering inside the circle is also different.

Is this variation common?<


The one I have has the "E" in the word. I guess I never thought to look that
close. It does show how minute some of the variations can be.

Well, there's another variation for which I have to be on the lookout!

Doug

PS. I have noticed some minor variations on some other cars that aren't
normally addressed ( e.g. in the Greenberg guide).

I have two versions of the A1G 2351 (Pennsy 50ft flat car with 2 Acme
trailers).

On the 1st version the printing on the trailer inside the circle spells
FASTEFREIGHT as pictured on the A1G website.

On the 2nd version it is spelled FASTFREIGHT ( no E in the middle). The
lettering inside the circle is also different.

Is this variation common?

Also in the A2G category on the same bdy style. # 3742 Conrail flat with
Conrail trailers some have white trailers and some have silver trailers;
which is more common?

Oh, well, thought there would be more interest, but then again the
UMTRR started out this way too. Anyway, welcome to the first ten
members; you will be able to look back and say you were on the ground
floor of the next big thing :-)

I will be away for most of the month between vacation and business
travel (as you probably already know from my other posts). This
group will remain unmoderated, so don't get into any trouble!

Cheers,
Your Moderator

Excerpted from a recent email to George Irwin

<snip>


***

Also some background info on the Roco
cars. In addition to the N cars, Roco tooled
some of the same cars in HO scale (the helium
car comes to mind) for AHM.

So the choice of which cars to make, some of
which, as you note at a1g, led to some models
based on pretty esoteric prototypes.

I don't know if there is a direct connection, but
ConCor's European rep, Nick Pfusterschmid,
who got the Roco N stuff back for ConCor a few
years ago, also worked for AHM on their HO
product line in the late 1960's.

One reason these cars do not surface very often
is that the N cars are tooled in groups of 4. So if a
US company wants one car, they usually take all 4
to save on set up and production charges. But
that can mean taking a "dog" or two to get the car(s)
you want.

A good example of this was the "longitudinal hopper"
run by ConCor in the mid 90's) (not done for Atlas but
done for Model Power)




This car was in the 4-car group along with the 86 ft
high cube boxcar that we really wanted. But we had
to take the hopper car in order to get the boxcar (Atlas
a1g 3130 series).

The mold is set up in a + shape with the plastic
entering the mold in the center and flowing out to the
4 individual cavities at the 4 points of the "cross".

If I still worked at ConCor I could ask to look up the Roco
files and tell you how the cars are grouped. I don't
think ConCor would otherwise release that info.



eNjoy your weekend

Don Brown
Tucson AZ

Hello everybody,

My name is Doug Gosha and I have been a member of the N Scale list for years
now.

Anyway, let's start this off with a little quizlet.

What were the three basic packaging variations for cars in the standard (5")
size plastic boxes? (Remember, this is A1G).

Doug

Wow, George, thanks!

Now, if I collect old Atlas cars (which I do) does that negate my MT
accumulator status? <G>

David

--
"One grandfather worked for the Pennsylvania Railroad,
The other worked for the Baltimore & Ohio.
I have every damn right to be schizophrenic!"