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Here's a crossing of two of my interests in N-Scale...

I went to type in the new Micro-Trains ATSF DC flat car into my
accumulation database (I got a freebie from MTL for my help with the car--
wish I could remember what I sent them!) only to find that there already
<was> an entry for "ATSF 90000".

Anybody know what it was...?

Well... it was the A1G "piggyback" flat car with two trailers, catalog
number 2352. I guess we can declare that un-prototypical...

--Your list-owner

thats cool, I did not know. I did enjoy looking at all of the freight
cars on this site. I saw every one that I have, (most are delapidated)
It brought back some childhood memories with my dads and mine trains.
thanks Andy











t--- In a1g@y..., George Irwin <gji@i...> wrote:

At 05:23 AM 12/29/2001 +0000, you wrote:

do loco's count on this page?

I've chosen not to include Atlas 1st Gen locomotives on this site

because

there were already two sites that covered this topic prior to my

starting

up this one. The exact addresses escape me at the moment but I'm

sure

someone has them...

--Your webmaster

Hi George,
Now that's what I call service!!(joking).
I just read the e-mail from the A1G member about the first Atlas loco's, went to write an e-mail to a new friend named Jim Cullen who is laid up from having heart surgery last month and was e-mailing him about your UMTRR newsletter you put out each month. Jim has a website of his own about his N-scale version of the Elizabeth & Austin divisions of PRR. ( ). Came back here and you all ready answered the A1G e-mail! (perfect timing!) I don't know if Jim is a member of the UMTRR or A1G group, but if he isn't this could be something good for him to do to keep involved in model railroading to a certain extent while he is cooperating.
See ya,
Rick

From: George Irwin <gji@...>
Reply-To: a1g@...
To: a1g@...
Subject: Re: [a1g] old atlas locos
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 07:01:52 -0500

At 05:23 AM 12/29/2001 +0000, you wrote:

do loco's count on this page?

I've chosen not to include Atlas 1st Gen locomotives on this site because
there were already two sites that covered this topic prior to my starting
up this one. The exact addresses escape me at the moment but I'm sure
someone has them...

--Your webmaster

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At 05:23 AM 12/29/2001 +0000, you wrote:

do loco's count on this page?

I've chosen not to include Atlas 1st Gen locomotives on this site because
there were already two sites that covered this topic prior to my starting
up this one. The exact addresses escape me at the moment but I'm sure
someone has them...

--Your webmaster

do loco's count on this page? I have an sd-45 I picked up on an
auction. I also have a 2-8-2 steamer I saw run for 10 minutes and
quit after my dad bought it new, about '75 or '76. I have about ten
old freight cars, I know some of them are early 70's, in bad shap
though. I also have a gp-40 shell, i think the cab roof is missing.
those were the glory days of "n" wern't they

The next project on A1G, time permitting, will be to pick one of the
car series that has the "group picture" and convert it to the larger
individual pop-up images.

Any nominations for which one you'd like to see done first?

--Your moderator

At 11:53 PM 11/29/2001 -0500, you wrote:

George,
I tried the Beta test and failed! When I clicked on the 2340 Bay Window
Caboose I got series 2340 Depressed Center Flat car. I hope this helps.
Thanks for this great resource.
regards-Kevin

Uh... oops.
"Part behind the keyboard failure" which has been fixed. The pulldown menu
works OK, the menu in the lower pane of the frame (to which Kevin refers)
also works correctly now. I transposed the numbers on the link.

--Your moderator

George,
I tried the Beta test and failed! When I clicked on the 2340 Bay Window
Caboose I got series 2340 Depressed Center Flat car. I hope this helps.
Thanks for this great resource.
regards-Kevin

Well, it's taken... too long... but the two A1G series of cabooses--
or is it cabeese?-- have finally been posted. Ya'll are the first to
know; this won't be officially announced until the weekend. So if
you'd like to "beta test" have a look!



and then find and select "A1G".

Believe it or not, this wraps up the initial posting of all of the
A1G freight cars. I have ambitions to go back and change all of the
scans to the "pop-up" variety on the pages I put up earlier in this
endeavor, and I also have some interesting "one and a halfth
generation" stuff like an unassembled car kit that I'd like to
share. But there is that unfortunate gap between ambition and
achievement...

Cheers,
Your moderator

Sorry for the mistake....it should read 40' double door boxcar, I.C.

From: "Rick Will" <f1f14@...>
Reply-To: a1g@...
To: a1g@...
Subject: [a1g] Found some A1g cars.......
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2001 03:30:23 -0800

Hi everyone,
I finally found some A1G cars this past Saturday. 50' double door boxcar,
I.C. Rd#41677.... Bulkhead flatcar (with lumber load, S.P.
Rd#5373....Composite gondola, N.S.,Rd#7700 (this goes with the other ones I
got during the summer, Monon Rd#2020 and Reading Rd#1800) and the last one I
think was the best find #5004-129 40'boxcar P.C.,Rd#65420, still in kit
form, all parts on spurs still in it's original Atlas box! I'm about to
commit a cardinal sin and I hope everyone here at A1G including Mr. Irwin
don't get mad at me for what I'm about to do...change over the trucks to
knuckle type??!!!(lol) I know at a collectors stand point that these models
should be kept in original form but I collect and operate everything I have
so these need to be able to couple up with other equipment on my Pacific
NorthWestern Railroad layout. So when I do a truck swap on these cars I will
do it with Atlas's accumate truck mounted couplers to keep everything Atlas.
I do and will store the original trucks away as those are getting hard to
find since everyone has changed over to the plastic wheel sets. If and when
I find some more A1G cars, I'll post it here and hope to hear of everyone
else's findings here at the A1g group.
Rick
P.S. You can count on me building that P.C. boxcar kit. I used to enjoy
building those as a kid and will sure enjoy doing that again!! Also a note
to Mr. Irwin, can the first locomotives that were made for Atlas be
concidered A1G? (Roco and Rivarossi) And can these be included with our A1G
findings if someone should come across some?

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Hi everyone,
I finally found some A1G cars this past Saturday. 50' double door boxcar, I.C. Rd#41677.... Bulkhead flatcar (with lumber load, S.P. Rd#5373....Composite gondola, N.S.,Rd#7700 (this goes with the other ones I got during the summer, Monon Rd#2020 and Reading Rd#1800) and the last one I think was the best find #5004-129 40'boxcar P.C.,Rd#65420, still in kit form, all parts on spurs still in it's original Atlas box! I'm about to commit a cardinal sin and I hope everyone here at A1G including Mr. Irwin don't get mad at me for what I'm about to do...change over the trucks to knuckle type??!!!(lol) I know at a collectors stand point that these models should be kept in original form but I collect and operate everything I have so these need to be able to couple up with other equipment on my Pacific NorthWestern Railroad layout. So when I do a truck swap on these cars I will do it with Atlas's accumate truck mounted couplers to keep everything Atlas. I do and will store the original trucks away as those are getting hard to find since everyone has changed over to the plastic wheel sets. If and when I find some more A1G cars, I'll post it here and hope to hear of everyone else's findings here at the A1g group.
Rick
P.S. You can count on me building that P.C. boxcar kit. I used to enjoy building those as a kid and will sure enjoy doing that again!! Also a note to Mr. Irwin, can the first locomotives that were made for Atlas be concidered A1G? (Roco and Rivarossi) And can these be included with our A1G findings if someone should come across some?

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Hi Guys,
Nobody has written for a while so I thought I'd post this note. I
just stumbled upon an excellent photo of a real helium car. I thought
you all might be interested to see this picture since it looks very
similar to the silver MHAX car in the AIG. I found the photo on
George Elwood's great railroad photo site. I will post the URL here,
and hope you guys can simply click on it.



I was surprised to see there really is a prototype for this unusual
car, even though George Irwin said there was on his site. BTW,
George, I am eager for the next installment of your AIG Page. Super
job you've done!

Best to all of you,
Alan S.

Thank you for the info Doug,
Rick

From: dgosha@...
Reply-To: a1g@...
To: a1g@...
Subject: Re: [a1g] SP bulkhead flat cars......
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:41:56 EDT

Rick wrote:

Hi everyone,
I have two questions concerning the A1G, SP,bulkhead flats with log
and/or lumber loads.
#1. How often if any, has any of theses cars been found for sale?
and.......
#2. Does anyone have any of these models that they would willing to part
with and sell?
Thanks,
Rick

These show up on eBay every now and then. Unfortunately, it seems that
previous owners felt compelled to glue the bulkheads to the car. Why? I don't
know as they don't exactly fall off.

I have tried to get one version of each of the S.P. and I.C. and almost every
one had the bulkheads glued on, and then on the one that didn't, the box it
was shipped in somehow opened up and one was missing. So, I haven't had real
good luck getting like new examples.

Good Luck
Doug

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Rick wrote:

Hi everyone,
I have two questions concerning the A1G, SP,bulkhead flats with log
and/or lumber loads.
#1. How often if any, has any of theses cars been found for sale?
and.......
#2. Does anyone have any of these models that they would willing to part
with and sell?
Thanks,
Rick

These show up on eBay every now and then. Unfortunately, it seems that
previous owners felt compelled to glue the bulkheads to the car. Why? I don't
know as they don't exactly fall off.

I have tried to get one version of each of the S.P. and I.C. and almost every
one had the bulkheads glued on, and then on the one that didn't, the box it
was shipped in somehow opened up and one was missing. So, I haven't had real
good luck getting like new examples.

Good Luck
Doug

Hi everyone,
I have two questions concerning the A1G, SP,bulkhead flats with log and/or lumber loads.
#1. How often if any, has any of theses cars been found for sale?
and.......
#2. Does anyone have any of these models that they would willing to part with and sell?
Thanks,
Rick

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Hi, I'm new to this group. The reason why I subscribed is mainly
because I have a lot of old AHM/Atlas/Aurora cars on my NScale
layout. For many of them there is no prototype information - which I
hope to get from this group.

I have several of AHM No.4454 cars, dating from the 60's or maybe
70's.
They have outside bracing, with one diagonal brace on each side of
the approx. 9' wide plug door.
AHM sold them painted&lettered for Thermice, KO&G, REA and NYMX.
They don't have express trucks, but normal friction bearing trucks.
The item numbers were 4454A,B,C and D.
It represents a true mechanical reefer with a diesel engine on one
end. The louvers are horizontal, and there is a roofwalk.


To date, I have not found a prototype photo of this car. Does someone
know what prototype they have (IF there is one?). The closest match
I've found are Santa Fe reefers, but they are longer and do not have
this type of a plug door.

Any help appreciated....

Mike
Vienna, Austria

At 02:21 AM 08/24/2001 +0000, you wrote:

Hi gang,
I just obtained my first 2280 series double-door boxcar (2287 I.C.)
and I noticed the label calls this a "Machinery Car". Interesting.
Are the other cars in this series also labeled as such?

Labels for A1G cars changed over the years, but I also have the other two
cars in the series (PRR and TP&W) labeled as "Machinery Cars".

Was this a primary use of the prototype?

As far as I know the 40 foot double door box cars were general service in
the 1960's. In earlier decades they were used as automobile cars, and a
number of prototype cars had special racks for that purpose.

Also, I got a 2252 NYC Cattle Car and I was wondering (assuming
it's based on some kind of real car)why the reporting marks were
"NISX"? Just curious! Thanks,

The NISX reporting marks were registered to North American Car Company, a
major lessor at the time. NISX is what their stock cars were marked. But
I wouldn't confuse the NYC car with anything prototypical...

--Your moderator

Hi gang,
I just obtained my first 2280 series double-door boxcar (2287 I.C.)
and I noticed the label calls this a "Machinery Car". Interesting.
Are the other cars in this series also labeled as such? Was this a
primary use of the prototype?
Also, I got a 2252 NYC Cattle Car and I was wondering (assuming
it's based on some kind of real car)why the reporting marks were
"NISX"? Just curious! Thanks,
Alan S.

Hi Doug,
I'm old enough to know that Tex"A"co is supposed to be spelled with an "A" as there is also alot of those stations around here. Apparently,I wasn't paying attention either...lol! It comes with age I guess.....at least that's what my wife keeps telling me!
Rick

From: dgosha@...
Reply-To: a1g@...
To: a1g@...
Subject: Re: [a1g] 94' texico tanker.....
Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 12:08:05 EDT

As this thread has to do with paying attention to what one is doing (the
upside down lettering), I noticed now that I can be counted among the
negligent. I spelled the company name "Texico". Of course, it is "TexAco".

Doug

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Rick, welcome aboard... I hope to see A1G increasing in popularity as well.
It's certainly easier to assemble an accumulation of these cars than
Micro-Trains cars!

I'm not an expert but I believe that all A1G cars were pad or screen
printed and there was no decaling or hand decoration involved. There was
just too high of a production run for that to be practical.

There will be a page or two devoted to the A1G (more like the "one and a
halfth generation") kits on the A1G site, eventually. My extensive travel
schedule has yet to slow down, but it's just a matter of time before I get
back to the webmaster gig.

--Your moderator