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Catalog Numbers of First Generation N Scale Trains.
sinewwave
Hello,
I am new here. But I have looked all over the web at the various sites listing the trains with pictures, and still I can't figure out where the catalog number "cut off" point is for first generation models. I have a few Engines remaining from my collection as a kid 30 years ago. One is the Santa Fe 4021 I have not seen listed on the web sites nor on ebay. But perhaps I don't know how to find it. I've considered selling them off, but never had the guts to do it. Considering they are still in original boxes, and not a nick of paint missing, I can't, I just can't. Perhaps I should replace missing cars rather than sell the engines off. Thanks in advance, Jeff |
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Yet another variation found!!!
Edward Bridges
I was sorting my accumulation again this afternoon and noticed I
have two different #2286 cars. Both are PRR 40' double door boxcars, but one has a small road number while the other has a large road number and both have the same road number (yes, the same number as two other PRR boxcars in the series as well). Thought I would point this out. I guess I missed it the other day when I was sorting them and adding the new arrivals. Edward Bridges Unofficial Historian of the Crab Orchard & Egyptian Railroad Former CO&E Employee: 1986-1987 Modeling the CO&E in N Scale: 1978-1982 Owner of two Yahoo groups: on Member of AustNtrak, Austin, TX Granger, TX (formerly of Marion, IL) |
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Re: Another site addition
Hi,
Alright! I'm glad you found some brushes and springs. I hope that is the only thing wrong with the motor. I used the Micro-Trains conversion on the IHB 0-8-0 which includes a replacement pilot that has an MT coupler mounted on it. That was many years ago. The MT conversion is their catalog number 1041. There is some cutting involved. You have to cut the original pilot away from the cylinder block and attach the new one from the MT conversion. The tender conversion is just replacing the original rear truck with one supplied with an MT coupler mounted. You just move the wheels, wheel wipers, and screw to the new truck. It's not one of the easiest conversions but it wasn't too bad. The AT&SF 0-8-0 is as it came from Atlas with a dummy knuckle on the front and Rapido on the tender. Keep me posted on your progress. Regards, Doug Hmmmmm.......I could have sworn that I sent this to the private party and not the list. Must not be that good a swearing. Oh well, no real harm done. Doug |
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Re: Another site addition
Hi,
Alright! I'm glad you found some brushes and springs. I hope that is the only thing wrong with the motor. I used the Micro-Trains conversion on the IHB 0-8-0 which includes a replacement pilot that has an MT coupler mounted on it. That was many years ago. The MT conversion is their catalog number 1041. There is some cutting involved. You have to cut the original pilot away from the cylinder block and attach the new one from the MT conversion. The tender conversion is just replacing the original rear truck with one supplied with an MT coupler mounted. You just move the wheels, wheel wipers, and screw to the new truck. It's not one of the easiest conversions but it wasn't too bad. The AT&SF 0-8-0 is as it came from Atlas with a dummy knuckle on the front and Rapido on the tender. Keep me posted on your progress. Regards, Doug |
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Re: Another site addition
I noticed in your 0-8-0 pictures you seem to have a real coupler on the
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front. Where are they available? Also, I found a set of springs and brushes that work as replacements at a slot car racing place. They aren't the brand you suggested but ones the slot car people use as substitutes for the ones you knew about. dgosha@... wrote: I have added a reassembly page for the A1G locomotives to my site. So |
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Another site addition
I have added a reassembly page for the A1G locomotives to my site. So far, I
have the E8, CLiner, and 0-8-0 written up. I decided to put it out there now instead of waiting to complete the page so it might be useful sooner. I will add the other models as time permits. Regards, Doug |
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Re: C&NW Stock Car
Alan Lerner
Thanks, George. I have three different Atlas stock car forms and I plan
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to add some bits of styrene (bits = N scale, of course) so the reporting marks and data are close for each car. My layout plans include a long ice reloading area and stockyards and a meat dressing - butchering building. I model an area that would be Chicago and suburbs if I were more prototypical. Thanks for your help. Alan -----Original Message-----
From: George Irwin [mailto:gji@...] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:12 PM To: a1g@... Subject: RE: [a1g] C&NW Stock Car Alan and all, I believe that the prototype for this car, and also the Micro-Trains 35000 series "Despatch Stock Car", is actually a New York Central rebuilt stock car. From my body style chart on the MTL 35er is: "NYC 28000-28499 (Lot 757-S) convertible stock cars rebuilt from USRA SS box cars in 1947 (per J. Stephen Sandifer on the SFR&MHS site, 2/2003)". Whether the C&NW had these or similar cars is probably questionable, but it's possible. You could try a search on C&NW discussion lists, et al here on Yahoo or Google. Cheers, George -----Original Message----- From: Alan Lerner <aslerner1@...> Sent: Jan 28, 2004 11:49 AM To: a1g@... Subject: RE: [a1g] Variations I recently found Ed: I picked up one of those stock cars at an estate sale recently. Not a great car but I model CNW in the transition era and plan to repaint about 10 stock cars to reflect this period on CNW. Are these cars prototypical? Alan lerner -----Original Message----- From: Edward Bridges [mailto:edward_bridges@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:57 PM To: a1g@... Subject: [a1g] Variations I recently found I had some time this evening, so I thought I would dig out my A1G cars and find the variations I spoke of a while back since I had to add some newly acquired cars to my accumulation. I have found the following variations that I haven't seen documentation on: 2254 CNW 40' stock car cars painted in the same basic scheme, but one has the lip of the roof painted yellow, one doesn't. One car has taller lettering than the other one (same car number, just different font). The yellow is two different shades. 2261 GULF 40' single dome tank There is major differences in the two versions of this car I have. The dome on both cars is different, one has railings on the ladder strip, one doesn't. The lettering is different font and herald is different. The brake wheel is on two different sides of the end of the frame (was this car made with two different molds???). 2262 Frontier 40' single dome tank car The only two differences I find in the two I have is the lettering is different on both and the carbody is as well. One car has thick lettering while the other has thin lettering. The herald/logo is different on both cars. 2321 Shipper's Car Line Center Flow Hopper car Only difference in these two is the lettering. The red 'Center Flow' lettering looks like a stencil on one car, while the other it is solid lettering. The trademark ACF CENTER FLOW below the reporting marks on the frame sill is different on both cars. One car has less dimensional data than the other. 2381 PC 40' steel box (Car number 65638 only)The only real difference in the two I have is the style of lettering. One car has bold lettering, one has thin lettering. The dimensional data under the car number is different between the two cars I have. 3111 CITGO 94' tank car The only difference in my two cars is the red triagnle in the CITGO herald. One car has black lines separate the three pieces of the triangle, one doesn't. The car with the lines seems to be harder to find from what I have seen. I will send pictures of these variations to Mr. Irwin as time permits (got to borrow the digital camera again) so he can determine if they warrant adding to his fine web site. I will continue to look for more variations. (I believe there might have been a period where the manufacturer may have updated the way the lettering was applied to the car). I have about 90% of the A1G freight cars now, all but 14 of them are MIB. Edward Bridges Granger, TX --From the A1G discussion list --Brought to you by George in Ellison Park, NY --To unsubscribe, send email to: a1g-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT < roupweb/S=1706043013:HM/EXP=1075341467/A=1945638/R=0/*http:/www.netflix. com/Default?mqso=60178383&partid=4116732> click here < pmail/S=:HM/A=1945638/rand=407963170> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: a1g-unsubscribe@... <mailto:a1g-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <> Service. --From the A1G discussion list --Brought to you by George in Ellison Park, NY --To unsubscribe, send email to: a1g-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: a1g-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: --From the A1G discussion list --Brought to you by George in Ellison Park, NY --To unsubscribe, send email to: a1g-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! 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Re: C&NW Stock Car
George Irwin
Alan and all, I believe that the prototype for this car, and also the Micro-Trains 35000 series "Despatch Stock Car", is actually a New York Central rebuilt stock car. From my body style chart on the MTL 35er is: "NYC 28000-28499 (Lot 757-S) convertible stock cars rebuilt from USRA SS box cars in 1947 (per J. Stephen Sandifer on the SFR&MHS site, 2/2003)".
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Whether the C&NW had these or similar cars is probably questionable, but it's possible. You could try a search on C&NW discussion lists, et al here on Yahoo or Google. Cheers, George -----Original Message-----
From: Alan Lerner <aslerner1@...> Sent: Jan 28, 2004 11:49 AM To: a1g@... Subject: RE: [a1g] Variations I recently found Ed: I picked up one of those stock cars at an estate sale recently. Not a great car but I model CNW in the transition era and plan to repaint about 10 stock cars to reflect this period on CNW. Are these cars prototypical? Alan lerner -----Original Message----- From: Edward Bridges [mailto:edward_bridges@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:57 PM To: a1g@... Subject: [a1g] Variations I recently found I had some time this evening, so I thought I would dig out my A1G cars and find the variations I spoke of a while back since I had to add some newly acquired cars to my accumulation. I have found the following variations that I haven't seen documentation on: 2254 CNW 40' stock car cars painted in the same basic scheme, but one has the lip of the roof painted yellow, one doesn't. One car has taller lettering than the other one (same car number, just different font). The yellow is two different shades. 2261 GULF 40' single dome tank There is major differences in the two versions of this car I have. The dome on both cars is different, one has railings on the ladder strip, one doesn't. The lettering is different font and herald is different. The brake wheel is on two different sides of the end of the frame (was this car made with two different molds???). 2262 Frontier 40' single dome tank car The only two differences I find in the two I have is the lettering is different on both and the carbody is as well. One car has thick lettering while the other has thin lettering. The herald/logo is different on both cars. 2321 Shipper's Car Line Center Flow Hopper car Only difference in these two is the lettering. The red 'Center Flow' lettering looks like a stencil on one car, while the other it is solid lettering. The trademark ACF CENTER FLOW below the reporting marks on the frame sill is different on both cars. One car has less dimensional data than the other. 2381 PC 40' steel box (Car number 65638 only)The only real difference in the two I have is the style of lettering. One car has bold lettering, one has thin lettering. The dimensional data under the car number is different between the two cars I have. 3111 CITGO 94' tank car The only difference in my two cars is the red triagnle in the CITGO herald. One car has black lines separate the three pieces of the triangle, one doesn't. The car with the lines seems to be harder to find from what I have seen. I will send pictures of these variations to Mr. Irwin as time permits (got to borrow the digital camera again) so he can determine if they warrant adding to his fine web site. I will continue to look for more variations. (I believe there might have been a period where the manufacturer may have updated the way the lettering was applied to the car). I have about 90% of the A1G freight cars now, all but 14 of them are MIB. Edward Bridges Granger, TX --From the A1G discussion list --Brought to you by George in Ellison Park, NY --To unsubscribe, send email to: a1g-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT < roupweb/S=1706043013:HM/EXP=1075341467/A=1945638/R=0/*http:/www.netflix. com/Default?mqso=60178383&partid=4116732> click here < pmail/S=:HM/A=1945638/rand=407963170> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: a1g-unsubscribe@... <mailto:a1g-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <> Service. --From the A1G discussion list --Brought to you by George in Ellison Park, NY --To unsubscribe, send email to: a1g-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: a1g-unsubscribe@... Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: |
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Re: Variations I recently found
Alan Lerner
Ed: I picked up one of those stock cars at an estate sale recently. Not
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a great car but I model CNW in the transition era and plan to repaint about 10 stock cars to reflect this period on CNW. Are these cars prototypical? Alan lerner -----Original Message-----
From: Edward Bridges [mailto:edward_bridges@...] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:57 PM To: a1g@... Subject: [a1g] Variations I recently found I had some time this evening, so I thought I would dig out my A1G cars and find the variations I spoke of a while back since I had to add some newly acquired cars to my accumulation. I have found the following variations that I haven't seen documentation on: 2254 CNW 40' stock car cars painted in the same basic scheme, but one has the lip of the roof painted yellow, one doesn't. One car has taller lettering than the other one (same car number, just different font). The yellow is two different shades. 2261 GULF 40' single dome tank There is major differences in the two versions of this car I have. The dome on both cars is different, one has railings on the ladder strip, one doesn't. The lettering is different font and herald is different. The brake wheel is on two different sides of the end of the frame (was this car made with two different molds???). 2262 Frontier 40' single dome tank car The only two differences I find in the two I have is the lettering is different on both and the carbody is as well. One car has thick lettering while the other has thin lettering. The herald/logo is different on both cars. 2321 Shipper's Car Line Center Flow Hopper car Only difference in these two is the lettering. The red 'Center Flow' lettering looks like a stencil on one car, while the other it is solid lettering. The trademark ACF CENTER FLOW below the reporting marks on the frame sill is different on both cars. One car has less dimensional data than the other. 2381 PC 40' steel box (Car number 65638 only)The only real difference in the two I have is the style of lettering. One car has bold lettering, one has thin lettering. The dimensional data under the car number is different between the two cars I have. 3111 CITGO 94' tank car The only difference in my two cars is the red triagnle in the CITGO herald. One car has black lines separate the three pieces of the triangle, one doesn't. The car with the lines seems to be harder to find from what I have seen. I will send pictures of these variations to Mr. Irwin as time permits (got to borrow the digital camera again) so he can determine if they warrant adding to his fine web site. I will continue to look for more variations. (I believe there might have been a period where the manufacturer may have updated the way the lettering was applied to the car). I have about 90% of the A1G freight cars now, all but 14 of them are MIB. Edward Bridges Granger, TX --From the A1G discussion list --Brought to you by George in Ellison Park, NY --To unsubscribe, send email to: a1g-unsubscribe@... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT < roupweb/S=1706043013:HM/EXP=1075341467/A=1945638/R=0/*http:/www.netflix. com/Default?mqso=60178383&partid=4116732> click here < pmail/S=:HM/A=1945638/rand=407963170> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: a1g-unsubscribe@... <mailto:a1g-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <> Service. |
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Re: Variations I recently found
Edward wrote: (Some comments by me interspersed. Of course, after one of
these posts, I have to get mine out and compare :") I had some time this evening, so I thought I would dig out my A1G I have found the following variations that I haven't seen 2254 CNW 40' stock car cars painted in the same basic scheme, but one has the lip of theIt would be interesting to see the "yellow roof lip" version. The yellow stops below that on mine. 2261 GULF 40' single dome tank There is major differences in the two versions of this car I have.I was aware of the presence or absence of the railings but not the different domes. Mine ( no railings) has the brakewheel on the opposite end from all my other 226X cars. 2262 Frontier 40' single dome tank car The only two differences I find in the two I have is the letteringMine is the same as what is on George's site. 2321 Shipper's Car Line Center Flow Hopper car Only difference in these two is the lettering. The red 'CenterI've seen the "stencil" version before but I only have the "solid" version. 2381 PC 40' steel box (Car number 65638 only)The only real difference in the two I have is 3111 CITGO 94' tank car The only difference in my two cars is the red triagnle in the CITGOMIne doesn't have the three lines :"( I will send pictures of these variations to Mr. Irwin as time I will continue to look for more variations. (I believe there might I have about 90% of the A1G freight cars now, all but 14 of them areGreat work Edward. Variations are always interesting. I'm sure all of us would love to see what you have found. Doug Edward Bridges |
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Variations I recently found
Edward Bridges
I had some time this evening, so I thought I would dig out my A1G
cars and find the variations I spoke of a while back since I had to add some newly acquired cars to my accumulation. I have found the following variations that I haven't seen documentation on: 2254 CNW 40' stock car cars painted in the same basic scheme, but one has the lip of the roof painted yellow, one doesn't. One car has taller lettering than the other one (same car number, just different font). The yellow is two different shades. 2261 GULF 40' single dome tank There is major differences in the two versions of this car I have. The dome on both cars is different, one has railings on the ladder strip, one doesn't. The lettering is different font and herald is different. The brake wheel is on two different sides of the end of the frame (was this car made with two different molds???). 2262 Frontier 40' single dome tank car The only two differences I find in the two I have is the lettering is different on both and the carbody is as well. One car has thick lettering while the other has thin lettering. The herald/logo is different on both cars. 2321 Shipper's Car Line Center Flow Hopper car Only difference in these two is the lettering. The red 'Center Flow' lettering looks like a stencil on one car, while the other it is solid lettering. The trademark ACF CENTER FLOW below the reporting marks on the frame sill is different on both cars. One car has less dimensional data than the other. 2381 PC 40' steel box (Car number 65638 only)The only real difference in the two I have is the style of lettering. One car has bold lettering, one has thin lettering. The dimensional data under the car number is different between the two cars I have. 3111 CITGO 94' tank car The only difference in my two cars is the red triagnle in the CITGO herald. One car has black lines separate the three pieces of the triangle, one doesn't. The car with the lines seems to be harder to find from what I have seen. I will send pictures of these variations to Mr. Irwin as time permits (got to borrow the digital camera again) so he can determine if they warrant adding to his fine web site. I will continue to look for more variations. (I believe there might have been a period where the manufacturer may have updated the way the lettering was applied to the car). I have about 90% of the A1G freight cars now, all but 14 of them are MIB. Edward Bridges Granger, TX |
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Re: A1G #3103
Edward Bridges
This had to have been some kind of mix-up becuase every Friscotransport I've seen has been in the Sea Board box and I have never seen a Sea Board transport. I think that's a pretty good indication. I guess this is a correct assuption as I received the second 3103 today and it is the same, box says Sea Board with a car with Frisco on it. This second one is not in good shape (good thing I got two of them, the first one was MIB). Thanks for shedding some light on this. Edward Bridges Unofficial Historian of the Crab Orchard & Egyptian Railroad Former CO&E Employee: 1986-1987 Modeling the CO&E in N Scale: 1978-1982 Owner of two Yahoo groups: on Member of AustNtrak, Austin, TX Granger, TX (formerly of Marion, IL) |
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Re: Milwaukee Road Passenger Cars?
umtrr
--- In a1g@..., "Edward Bridges" <edward_bridges@h...>
wrote: I believe that was sold overseas, as there is someone selling a B&OUSRA light pacific and three heavyweight cars. Yes, those boxes exist and I have seen a couple. I might even have a couple in the archives, but the boxes are not with the cars. We'll find out together about these car as I won the combine, but not the observation. There goes the budget! --Your list-owner |
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Re: Milwaukee Road Passenger Cars?
Edward Bridges
I believe that was sold overseas, as there is someone selling a B&O
set in a box with Atlas spelled out in the same typeface that Rivarossi is, and its not a USRA heavy pacific, it is the Atlas USRA light pacific and three heavyweight cars. It's out of my realm, so I won't be bidding on it. Edward Bridges Unofficial Historian of the Crab Orchard & Egyptian Railroad Former CO&E Employee: 1986-1987 Modeling the CO&E in N Scale: 1978-1982 Co-author of ongoing book project: The Crab Orchard & Egyptian Railroad: 30 Years of Shortline Railroading in Southern Illinois: 1973-2003 Owner of two Yahoo groups: on Member of AustNtrak, Austin, TX Granger, TX (formerly of Marion, IL) |
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A1G #3103
Edward Bridges
I just received the first of two A1G #3103 auto transporter cars in
the mail today. Did Atlas really do a Sea Board car or did they mislabel the box as the car inside carries Frisco lettering. Thought this was odd. Still working on getting pictures of the variations I have found. Edward Bridges Unofficial Historian of the Crab Orchard & Egyptian Railroad Former CO&E Employee: 1986-1987 Modeling the CO&E in N Scale: 1978-1982 Co-author of ongoing book project: The Crab Orchard & Egyptian Railroad: 30 Years of Shortline Railroading in Southern Illinois: 1973-2003 Owner of two Yahoo groups: on Member of AustNtrak, Austin, TX Granger, TX (formerly of Marion, IL) |
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Milwaukee Road Passenger Cars?
umtrr
Here's an interesting item (need to glue together)...
ViewItem&item=3170685420&category=19121 It's a Milwaukee Road passenger car, but it's listed as being from Atlas circa 1972. I don't recall ever seeing these cars as being marketed by Atlas, at least in the USA. If true, looks like I'll be out on the market again... --George (your host) |
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Re: Milwaukee Road Passenger Cars?
I wrote:
George, When you get this car, let us know if it really looks like it's an Atlas release (Atlas box, insert, etc). 9545 is the Rivarossi number for this car (I have one). Edward could be right about it being a European Atlas car but would be confirmed by Atlas markings. Doug By European, I mean European release, of course. |
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Re: Milwaukee Road Passenger Cars?
Speaking of the Atlas logo in the same typeface as the seventies Rivarossi
typeface, it's interesting because my 2602 ATSF combine and 2603 ATSF diner have this style on the ends of the paper inserts but the Regular Atlas logo at the upper left of the cover. Manufacturing date is 9-71 and the blocky style RR is on the bottom AND there are European locos, freight cars, and passenger cars listed on the bottom too! Doug |
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Re: A1G #3103
Edward asked:
I just received the first of two A1G #3103 auto transporter cars in the mail today. Did Atlas really do a Sea Board car or did they mislabel the box as the car inside carries Frisco lettering. Thought this was odd. Still working on getting pictures of the variations I have found. Edward Bridges This had to have been some kind of mix-up becuase every Frisco transport I've seen has been in the Sea Board box and I have never seen a Sea Board transport. I think that's a pretty good indication. Doug |
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Re: Milwaukee Road Passenger Cars?
George,
When you get this car, let us know if it really looks like it's an Atlas release (Atlas box, insert, etc). 9545 is the Rivarossi number for this car (I have one). Edward could be right about it being a European Atlas car but would be confirmed by Atlas markings. Doug |
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