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It's official - my terminal SNP is now A11138! FTDNA did a BAM analysis to verify this and has added this SNP to the tree. I've updated my charts at http://dna.smithplanet.com/snp I also added a bit

Hi Jared, I'm never sure when this YFull analysis is finalized or not. At any rate, on my list of SNPs, A11138 is the first one that is not listed as private. So I assume that means I share it with

No, I don't show A11138 as being a matching SNP with you. That's what is particularly confusing to me. But I clearly show positive for A11138 in my SNP list in my "Hg and SNPs" list. A11138 is the

Charles - It appears Mike made a mistake when he updated the chart. This should be FGC33966. None of us have BY11382. I'll let him know. Thanks, Jared <charles_002@...> wrote:

Hi Jared, This is all very interesting. I wonder if my YFull has not been updated yet. Do you show me as an A11138 match under the SNP Matches Tab? I see A11138 under my Hg and SNPs but not at the SNP

Thanks, Jared. The new age estimates are very helpful. One more question if I may: the L513 Descendant Tree Chart has Bennett and I at BY11382. Is that an equivalent for a SNP included on your Z16357

First, I see that FTDNA has pushed the updates to the tree for the Hartley branch. Joel and Michael, your terminal SNP is now recorded as A11132. I just got my YFull results processed and they show me

Charles - FGC33966 is your terminal SNP shared with Martin, but I only analyzed Big-Y testers so I could include the novel variants. So FGC33966 is counted as one of your 6 novel variants. This

Great analysis, Jared, but I think the SNP names are confusing me. Did you include an equivalent to FGC33966 for Martin and me? Charles ________________________________ Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017

This sounds reasonable to me. I'd like to hear what folks at the L513 Yahoo Forum would have to say about it. Joel

Aging our ancestors using Y-DNA data is far from an exact science. I'd be happy to have you poke holes in any of this. An analysis of the 11 Z16357 people who have taken Big-Y results in the following

I see that Mike Hartley's results are at the Big Tree site awaiting analysis with several others in the lower right in pink: Joel

I did some additional analysis of Michael's results from his raw data. There's not too much more to add, but I did find a couple other variants that Joel and Michael share: 22425308 G A 25297201 T A

I finally found this place.? My raw data is on it's way to Jared and Mike Walsh.? Let me know what else you need.

Yes, there are no really slow moving/changing STR mutations that you can differentiate the two Hartley lines on - but this would not really be expected considering how closely related you are. But the

Thanks Jared, I had missed 391 in my tree analysis. It helps to have an extra set of eyes looking at this. Still, these SNPs mutate over 10Xs as fast as the slow moving 455 that I based my tree on. On

Great work, Joel. Cool tree. Charles ________________________________ Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Z16357] Mike Hartley BigY Hi Charles, You are right.

I count GD=8 between you. Seeing as your common ancestor was only a few hundred years ago (I'd think 450 years ago at the furthest), this is rather remarkable. This difference in STRs would otherwise

Thanks Jared, That is such great news. This is a red letter day for Hartley Genetic Genealogy. This is the first SNP branching within the Hartley surname that I know of. That makes this a true Hartley

Hi Charles, You are right. Mike is actually off the chart on my matches. I think that he is a GD of 8 and the 67 STR cutoff is 7. I'm guessing that the connection is quite a ways back. Here is the