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What is a "Quack Surgeon" in 1851.

 

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Hi All; I had a chuckle when I read today that Thomas Whitehead: b ca 1783 in either Saddleworth (resided here) or Anston, Yorkshire, was listed as a Quack Surgeon.? If I have the correct Thomas in 1841 he was a Butcher.? Being a butcher? I believe is plausible to becoming a surgeon at least in that time-frame.? However, never saw the term Quack used with it.? Nothing comes up in search for "quack surgeon" except references to what I believe is a video game: "Quack Surgeon is a Charisma-based perk in Fallout 76"

All thoughts, suggestions welcomed.?

Fran in Canada

 

This is the link to the census in question:




Lin
 

A quack doctor was surely one who dealt with quack medicines ie bogus ones. I would imagine a quack surgeon was one who was untrained, unqualified and probably somewhat dangerous in practice.

Sue

On Thu, 4 Jul 2024, 22:07 Fran L via , <kindle836=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi All; I had a chuckle when I read today that Thomas Whitehead: b ca 1783 in either Saddleworth (resided here) or Anston, Yorkshire, was listed as a Quack Surgeon.? If I have the correct Thomas in 1841 he was a Butcher.? Being a butcher? I believe is plausible to becoming a surgeon at least in that time-frame.? However, never saw the term Quack used with it.? Nothing comes up in search for "quack surgeon" except references to what I believe is a video game: "Quack Surgeon is a Charisma-based perk in Fallout 76"

All thoughts, suggestions welcomed.?

Fran in Canada

 

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Thanks Sue and Peter; Doesn't make sense to list oneself as a Quack on the census though.? Thought there might be a different definition from so long ago.?

Fran

On 04/07/2024 5:48 p.m., Sue Herrington via groups.io wrote:

A quack doctor was surely one who dealt with quack medicines ie bogus ones. I would imagine a quack surgeon was one who was untrained, unqualified and probably somewhat dangerous in practice.

Sue

On Thu, 4 Jul 2024, 22:07 Fran L via , <kindle836=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi All; I had a chuckle when I read today that Thomas Whitehead: b ca 1783 in either Saddleworth (resided here) or Anston, Yorkshire, was listed as a Quack Surgeon.? If I have the correct Thomas in 1841 he was a Butcher.? Being a butcher? I believe is plausible to becoming a surgeon at least in that time-frame.? However, never saw the term Quack used with it.? Nothing comes up in search for "quack surgeon" except references to what I believe is a video game: "Quack Surgeon is a Charisma-based perk in Fallout 76"

All thoughts, suggestions welcomed.?

Fran in Canada

 

Guess he failed as a surgeon and was now a butcher. I made that up.
Kathryne

On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 06:27:58 PM EDT, Fran L <kindle836@...> wrote:





Thanks Sue and Peter; Doesn't make sense to list oneself as a Quack on the census though.? Thought there might be a different definition from so long ago.?

Fran


On 04/07/2024 5:48 p.m., Sue Herrington via groups.io wrote:


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A quack doctor was surely one who dealt with quack medicines ie bogus ones. I would imagine a quack surgeon was one who was untrained, unqualified and probably somewhat dangerous in practice.



Sue




On Thu, 4 Jul 2024, 22:07 Fran L via groups.io, <kindle836@...> wrote:


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??Hi All; I had a chuckle when I read today that Thomas Whitehead: b ca 1783 in either Saddleworth (resided here) or Anston, Yorkshire, was listed as a Quack Surgeon.? If I have the correct Thomas in 1841 he was a Butcher.? Being a butcher? I believe is plausible to becoming a surgeon at least in that time-frame.? However, never saw the term Quack used with it.? Nothing comes up in search for "quack surgeon" except references to what I believe is a video game: "Quack Surgeon is a Charisma-based perk in Fallout 76"

All thoughts, suggestions welcomed.?

Fran in Canada

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As you rightly say it would not make sense to call himself a quack surgeon, but have you considered the enumerator might have had dealings with him and enumerated him as such?

Enumerators were mostly local men who might have had dealings with at least some of those in their patch

As what we see online are the enumerators transcription of the household schedules, if said enumerator had a poor opinion of Mr WHITEHEAD he might have altered the occupation to show his disapproval ?

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On 04/07/2024 23:24, Fran L via groups.io wrote:
Thanks Sue and Peter; Doesn't make sense to list oneself as a Quack on the census though. Thought there might be a different definition from so long ago.
Fran
 

Hello Fran, Perhaps that is your answer he wasn't a 'real' he was a 'butcher' but? if you were happy he would operate if need be, but he couldn't call himself a surgeon because he wasn't so he is literally?what the description means, see below

The Chambers dictionary definition says that a?quack?is 'someone who claims, and practises under the pretence of having, knowledge and skill that he or she does not possess. ' Basically, quack doctors are a fraud.18 May 2023


On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 at 03:15, Kathryne Natale via <momnat=[email protected]> wrote:
Guess he failed as a surgeon and was now a butcher. I made that up.
Kathryne





On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 06:27:58 PM EDT, Fran L <kindle836@...> wrote:





Thanks Sue and Peter; Doesn't make sense to list oneself as a Quack on the census though.? Thought there might be a different definition from so long ago.?

Fran


On 04/07/2024 5:48 p.m., Sue Herrington via wrote:


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A quack doctor was surely one who dealt with quack medicines ie bogus ones. I would imagine a quack surgeon was one who was untrained, unqualified and probably somewhat dangerous in practice.



Sue




On Thu, 4 Jul 2024, 22:07 Fran L via , <kindle836=[email protected]> wrote:


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>??Hi All; I had a chuckle when I read today that Thomas Whitehead: b ca 1783 in either Saddleworth (resided here) or Anston, Yorkshire, was listed as a Quack Surgeon.? If I have the correct Thomas in 1841 he was a Butcher.? Being a butcher? I believe is plausible to becoming a surgeon at least in that time-frame.? However, never saw the term Quack used with it.? Nothing comes up in search for "quack surgeon" except references to what I believe is a video game: "Quack Surgeon is a Charisma-based perk in Fallout 76"
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> All thoughts, suggestions welcomed.?
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> Fran in Canada
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Since he was a butcher, maybe he was reckoned to be a "Quick surgeon"!

Philip Hirst
 

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I had not thought of that but that makes more sense Nivard.? Thanks for your thoughts.

Fran



On 05/07/2024 3:10 a.m., Nivard Ovington via groups.io wrote:


As you rightly say it would not make sense to call himself a quack surgeon, but have you considered the enumerator might have had dealings with him and enumerated him as such?

Enumerators were mostly local men who might have had dealings with at least some of those in their patch

As what we see online are the enumerators transcription of the household schedules, if said enumerator had a poor opinion of Mr WHITEHEAD he might have altered the occupation to show his disapproval ?

Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

On 04/07/2024 23:24, Fran L via groups.io wrote:
Thanks Sue and Peter; Doesn't make sense to list oneself as a Quack on the census though. Thought there might be a different definition from so long ago.

Fran






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