Thanks Della, they are the 2 I have but having trouble finding her death.
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On 22 Aug 2024, at 10:11?AM, Della Markey via groups.io <dellamarkey101@...> wrote:
Hi Maureen ? Her birth record is on Ancestry and her marriage is on Find My Past. If you don’t have a subscription to either of these, source your local library with one and you should be able to download the images there. ? Regards Della in Oz too. ? ? I live in Australia and would like to search the??registers for births (1641-1837), marriages (1650-1836), and deaths (1656-1837). for the Brighouse Quakers, but as they are held in West Yorkshire archives, makes it impossible for me to search. I am interested in finding a Hannah HOLMES born in 1771 to Joseph and Magdalene. ?She married John FARRER in 1798 in Ilkley but not sure where it took place. I have all their children and her husband death being registered in Bradford Quakers. If by chance anyone could help with either having the records or perhaps visiting the Archives soon, it would be appreciated.
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Thanks to all you lovely people for your replies. Will look into where and if I can access any from Australia. I contacted West Yorkshire Archives but worked out expensive. It is her death I am having trouble tracking down. Have even found another Hannah HOLMES and John FARRER in Bradford, but not mine. I found John’s burial in 1824 in Friends Burying Ground, but no photos. Which was interesting and I would have thought I might have found Hannah as she was the Quaker and he married into it.
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On 23 Aug 2024, at 5:04?AM, Lin Duke via groups.io <dml5481@...> wrote:
Hannah's birth in 1771:
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John and Hannah's marriage - All Saints, Ilkley 1798 (v faint image)
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Transcript of Marriage Licence
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Bishop's Transcript image of marriage entry
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On Wed, Aug 21, 2024 at 08:19 PM, Maureen Farrer wrote:
Hi listers,
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I live in Australia and would like to search the??registers for births (1641-1837), marriages (1650-1836), and deaths (1656-1837). for
the Brighouse Quakers, but as they are held in West Yorkshire archives, makes it impossible for me to search.
I am interested in finding a Hannah HOLMES born in 1771 to Joseph and Magdalene. ?She married John FARRER in 1798 in Ilkley but
not sure where it took place. I have all their children and her husband death being registered in Bradford Quakers.
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You may be impressed if you get to see the original Quaker records which typically are very detailed and multi-generational. Bill ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Arthur K
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2024 8:40 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yorksgen] Quakers Records? Are you sure about it being Brighouse (which might have been the Monthly Meeting rather than the local Preparative Meeting)? And West Yorkshire Archives have relatively few Quaker records, the majority being in Leeds University Library's Special Collections. Many of those which aren't held in Yorkshire were deposited in what eventually became the National Archives, and these can be found in class RG6, and online at some or all of the usual sites. Among these are records of the Knaresborough Monthly Meeting (RG6/1091), and these include the birth of a Hannah Holmes with the parents you give in 1771, but it's in Askwith in the parish of Weston (near Otley). On the site I used I also tried looking for a 1798 marriage under both Hannah and John Farrer, but I didn't find anything. It might be worth checking out transcriptions on the Wharfegen site, or those available to members of the Airedale & Wharfedale FHS - both sites are pretty extensive. Lastly, there's an excellent guide to Yorkshire Quaker history, including the location of registers etc, at ? This was produced as part of the Yorkshire Quaker Research Project, which you can read about at
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Yes unfortunately no death for her. Have written off to Leeds University Library to see what they could do.
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On 23 Aug 2024, at 5:04?AM, Lin Duke via groups.io <dml5481@...> wrote:
Hannah's birth in 1771:
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John and Hannah's marriage - All Saints, Ilkley 1798 (v faint image)
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Transcript of Marriage Licence
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Bishop's Transcript image of marriage entry
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Lin
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On Wed, Aug 21, 2024 at 08:19 PM, Maureen Farrer wrote:
Hi listers,
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I live in Australia and would like to search the??registers for births (1641-1837), marriages (1650-1836), and deaths (1656-1837). for
the Brighouse Quakers, but as they are held in West Yorkshire archives, makes it impossible for me to search.
I am interested in finding a Hannah HOLMES born in 1771 to Joseph and Magdalene. ?She married John FARRER in 1798 in Ilkley but
not sure where it took place. I have all their children and her husband death being registered in Bradford Quakers.
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Hannah's birth in 1771:
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John and Hannah's marriage - All Saints, Ilkley 1798 (v faint image)
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Transcript of Marriage Licence
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Bishop's Transcript image of marriage entry
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Lin
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On Wed, Aug 21, 2024 at 08:19 PM, Maureen Farrer wrote:
Hi listers,
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I live in Australia and would like to search the??registers for births (1641-1837), marriages (1650-1836), and deaths (1656-1837). for
the Brighouse Quakers, but as they are held in West Yorkshire archives, makes it impossible for me to search.
I am interested in finding a Hannah HOLMES born in 1771 to Joseph and Magdalene. ?She married John FARRER in 1798 in Ilkley but
not sure where it took place. I have all their children and her husband death being registered in Bradford Quakers.
?
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Hannah born 4/12/1771 Askwith parish of Weston (from Ancestry)
On Wednesday 21 August 2024 at 20:20:00 BST, Maureen Farrer <maureenfarrer71@...> wrote:
? Hi listers,
I live in Australia and would like to search the??registers for births (1641-1837), marriages (1650-1836), and deaths (1656-1837). for the Brighouse Quakers, but as they are held in West Yorkshire archives, makes it impossible for me to search. I am interested in finding a Hannah HOLMES born in 1771 to Joseph and Magdalene. ?She married John FARRER in 1798 in Ilkley but not sure where it took place. I have all their children and her husband death being registered in Bradford Quakers.
If by chance anyone could help with either having the records or perhaps visiting the Archives soon, it would be appreciated.
Thanks, Maureen in Oz
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Are you sure about it being Brighouse (which might have been the Monthly Meeting rather than the local Preparative Meeting)? And West Yorkshire Archives have relatively few Quaker records, the majority being in Leeds University Library's Special Collections.
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Many of those which aren't held in Yorkshire were deposited in what eventually became the National Archives, and these can be found in class RG6, and online at some or all of the usual sites. Among these are records of the Knaresborough Monthly Meeting (RG6/1091), and these include the birth of a Hannah Holmes with the parents you give in 1771, but it's in Askwith in the parish of Weston (near Otley).
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On the site I used I also tried looking for a 1798 marriage under both Hannah and John Farrer, but I didn't find anything. It might be worth checking out transcriptions on the Wharfegen site, or those available to members of the Airedale & Wharfedale FHS - both sites are pretty extensive.
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Lastly, there's an excellent guide to Yorkshire Quaker history, including the location of registers etc, at ? This was produced as part of the Yorkshire Quaker Research Project, which you can read about at
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Hi Maureen ? Her birth record is on Ancestry and her marriage is on Find My Past. If you don’t have a subscription to either of these, source your local library with one and you should be able to download the images there. ? Regards Della in Oz too. ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Maureen Farrer via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2024 10:09 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [yorksgen] Quakers Records? I live in Australia and would like to search the??registers for births (1641-1837), marriages (1650-1836), and deaths (1656-1837). for the Brighouse Quakers, but as they are held in West Yorkshire archives, makes it impossible for me to search. I am interested in finding a Hannah HOLMES born in 1771 to Joseph and Magdalene. ?She married John FARRER in 1798 in Ilkley but not sure where it took place. I have all their children and her husband death being registered in Bradford Quakers. If by chance anyone could help with either having the records or perhaps visiting the Archives soon, it would be appreciated.
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? Hi listers,
I live in Australia and would like to search the??registers for births (1641-1837), marriages (1650-1836), and deaths (1656-1837). for the Brighouse Quakers, but as they are held in West Yorkshire archives, makes it impossible for me to search. I am interested in finding a Hannah HOLMES born in 1771 to Joseph and Magdalene. ?She married John FARRER in 1798 in Ilkley but not sure where it took place. I have all their children and her husband death being registered in Bradford Quakers.
If by chance anyone could help with either having the records or perhaps visiting the Archives soon, it would be appreciated.
Thanks, Maureen in Oz
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William WHITEHEAD of Saddleworth, Yorkshire
Hello everyone,
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I was once told that for a child to be baptized at a particular church, the family either had to have lived within the parish or have a strong connection to the parish. That person was someone I had reason to trust, but it also makes sense to me. For the sake of the following, I hope it’s true.
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I have some common surnames for the Saddleworth area, so I follow any and all possibilities. The one in question in this case is WHITEHEAD. There is a William WHITEHEAD, who? I’ve been following for years as a possible uncle. My William was born in 1810 in Saddleworth to John and Mary WHITEHEAD. After Mary died young, John and most of the kids moved to Stalybridge. One of the sons was James WHITEHEAD*, who I found in Stalybridge in 1841. Next door was William WHITEHEAD, who was in the correct age range and not born in Lancashire, so I was hopeful. He also had the same occupation as John, John’s sons, and grandsons. William’s first 3 children were baptized at St. Chad’s in Uppermill. In 1851, William’s age was perfect – 41. The disappointing part was that he was born in Stalybridge.
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[*I’m certain that James is John’s son. I ordered John’s death registration and James was the informant, and his street address correct.]
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Since I’ve had other cases where the birth place was the place where the person lived rather than where they were born, it didn’t bother me at first. Although I’ve invested time and money into this William, I have also kept notes detailing why he might not be the correct man. I like to error check periodically as new records are available, so I started going back over this branch last week. I included Family Search in my search. Yesterday I saw that someone else is also following this William as the son of Benjamin and Elizabeth WHITEHEAD, who was baptized in Dukinfield on 27 Sep 1811. It could be correct. I have reservations because that is also not a perfect fit. His age would have been wrong on the 1851 Census and his death registration.
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William’s occupation and proximity to James WHITEHEAD in 1841 can easily be written off as coincidental. But what about his children’s baptisms? According to the person who added his to a FamilySearch.org tree, neither branch of his family has a connection to Saddleworth. If that is true, then why would he have 3 children baptized there?
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Any ideas? I can handle negative feedback. ? My objective is accuracy.
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Diane
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Hi Listers,
I need help in my searching.
I am trying to find William FARRER b.1758 (maybe)
) and his brother Joseph b. 1764
Parents were Henry FARRER and Sussanah FARRER married in Bradford Cathedral? in 1757
Children were.
William b. 1758
John b.1759 in Bradford
Benjamin b.1761? in Bradford
Christiana b.1762? in Bradford
Joseph b. 1764 ibn Bradford.
Henry and Sussanah lived in Apple Hall in Barkerend near Bradford and were comfortably off.
Then in 1784 Henry left and went to London and became a fruit seller in Spitalfield Market.
He had another 5 sons to his housekeeper and even though his wife was still living in Bradford.
Henry wrote a will in 1795 (which I have a copy) saying he was leaving his house in
Bradford to his wife and various money to his five children, in this order, William, John, Benjamin, Joseph and Christiana, He died in1800. Sussanah his
wife in Bradford died in 1818 but no will. Maybe he assumed they were all still alive as maybe there wouldnt be any contact.
I found a William FARRER b. in 1758 to Henry in Guiseley. Farrers were all from there?
originally but not sure if this one is mine as Henry and Sussanah were living in Eccleshill
at the time of their marriage and birth of the other children.
I only have found Joseph’s baptism in Bradford Cathedral but nothing else. There is a few
marriages with Joseph to various people but he would have been about 30 so not sure again
if this is him.
Sussanah was nee JOBSON who had money and most of her brothers didnt marry so her
father and brothers wrote wills - 1759, 1770 and 1784 and neither William or Joseph were
mentioned, whereas John b. 1759 was and then in 1784, Benjamin. Christiana and
John were mentioned.?
Then the last Jobson who died 1826 in his will all the estate went to Benjamin.
Hope the above isnt too confusing.
Maureen in Oz.
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Re: What is a "Quack Surgeon" in 1851.
I had not thought of that but
that makes more sense
Nivard.? Thanks for your thoughts.
Fran
On 05/07/2024 3:10 a.m., Nivard
Ovington via groups.io wrote:
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As you rightly say it would not make sense to call himself a quack
surgeon, but have you considered the enumerator might have had
dealings with him and enumerated him as such?
Enumerators were mostly local men who might have had dealings with
at least some of those in their patch
As what we see online are the enumerators transcription of the
household schedules, if said enumerator had a poor opinion of Mr
WHITEHEAD he might have altered the occupation to show his
disapproval ?
Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
On 04/07/2024 23:24, Fran L via groups.io wrote:
Thanks Sue and Peter; Doesn't make sense
to list oneself as a Quack on the census though. Thought there
might be a different definition from so long ago.
Fran
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Since he was a butcher, maybe he was reckoned to be a "Quick surgeon"!
Philip Hirst
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Re: What is a "Quack Surgeon" in 1851.
Hello Fran, Perhaps that is your answer he wasn't a 'real' he was a 'butcher' but? if you were happy he would operate if need be, but he couldn't call himself a surgeon because he wasn't so he is literally?what the description means, see below
The Chambers dictionary definition says that a?quack?is 'someone who claims, and practises under the pretence of having, knowledge and skill that he or she does not possess. ' Basically, quack doctors are a fraud.18 May 2023
Guess he failed as a surgeon and was now a butcher. I made that up.
Kathryne
On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 06:27:58 PM EDT, Fran L <kindle836@...> wrote:
Thanks Sue and Peter; Doesn't make sense to list oneself as a Quack on the census though.? Thought there might be a different definition from so long ago.?
Fran
On 04/07/2024 5:48 p.m., Sue Herrington via wrote:
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A quack doctor was surely one who dealt with quack medicines ie bogus ones. I would imagine a quack surgeon was one who was untrained, unqualified and probably somewhat dangerous in practice.
Sue
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024, 22:07 Fran L via , <kindle836=[email protected]> wrote:
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>??Hi All; I had a chuckle when I read today that Thomas Whitehead: b ca 1783 in either Saddleworth (resided here) or Anston, Yorkshire, was listed as a Quack Surgeon.? If I have the correct Thomas in 1841 he was a Butcher.? Being a butcher? I believe is plausible to becoming a surgeon at least in that time-frame.? However, never saw the term Quack used with it.? Nothing comes up in search for "quack surgeon" except references to what I believe is a video game: "Quack Surgeon is a Charisma-based perk in Fallout 76"
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> All thoughts, suggestions welcomed.?
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> Fran in Canada
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Re: What is a "Quack Surgeon" in 1851.
As you rightly say it would not make sense to call himself a quack surgeon, but have you considered the enumerator might have had dealings with him and enumerated him as such?
Enumerators were mostly local men who might have had dealings with at least some of those in their patch
As what we see online are the enumerators transcription of the household schedules, if said enumerator had a poor opinion of Mr WHITEHEAD he might have altered the occupation to show his disapproval ?
Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
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On 04/07/2024 23:24, Fran L via groups.io wrote: Thanks Sue and Peter; Doesn't make sense to list oneself as a Quack on the census though. Thought there might be a different definition from so long ago.
Fran
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Guess he failed as a surgeon and was now a butcher. I made that up.
Kathryne
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On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 06:27:58 PM EDT, Fran L <kindle836@...> wrote: Thanks Sue and Peter; Doesn't make sense to list oneself as a Quack on the census though.? Thought there might be a different definition from so long ago.? Fran On 04/07/2024 5:48 p.m., Sue Herrington via groups.io wrote: ?? A quack doctor was surely one who dealt with quack medicines ie bogus ones. I would imagine a quack surgeon was one who was untrained, unqualified and probably somewhat dangerous in practice. Sue On Thu, 4 Jul 2024, 22:07 Fran L via groups.io, <kindle836@...> wrote: ??
??Hi All; I had a chuckle when I read today that Thomas Whitehead: b ca 1783 in either Saddleworth (resided here) or Anston, Yorkshire, was listed as a Quack Surgeon.? If I have the correct Thomas in 1841 he was a Butcher.? Being a butcher? I believe is plausible to becoming a surgeon at least in that time-frame.? However, never saw the term Quack used with it.? Nothing comes up in search for "quack surgeon" except references to what I believe is a video game: "Quack Surgeon is a Charisma-based perk in Fallout 76"
All thoughts, suggestions welcomed.?
Fran in Canada
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Re: What is a "Quack Surgeon" in 1851.
Thanks Sue and Peter; Doesn't
make sense to list oneself as a Quack on the census though.?
Thought there might be a different definition from so long ago.?
Fran
On 04/07/2024 5:48 p.m., Sue Herrington
via groups.io wrote:
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A quack doctor was surely one who dealt with quack
medicines ie bogus ones. I would imagine a quack surgeon was one
who was untrained, unqualified and probably somewhat dangerous
in practice.
Sue
Hi All; I had a chuckle when I read
today that Thomas Whitehead: b ca 1783 in either
Saddleworth (resided here) or Anston, Yorkshire, was
listed as a Quack Surgeon.? If I have the correct Thomas
in 1841 he was a Butcher.? Being a butcher? I believe is
plausible to becoming a surgeon at least in that
time-frame.? However, never saw the term Quack used with
it.? Nothing comes up in search for "quack surgeon" except
references to what I believe is a video game: "Quack Surgeon is a
Charisma-based perk in Fallout 76"
All thoughts, suggestions welcomed.?
Fran in Canada
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Re: What is a "Quack Surgeon" in 1851.
A quack doctor was surely one who dealt with quack medicines ie bogus ones. I would imagine a quack surgeon was one who was untrained, unqualified and probably somewhat dangerous in practice.
Sue
Hi All; I had a chuckle when I
read today that Thomas Whitehead: b ca 1783 in either Saddleworth
(resided here) or Anston, Yorkshire, was listed as a Quack
Surgeon.? If I have the correct Thomas in 1841 he was a Butcher.?
Being a butcher? I believe is plausible to becoming a surgeon at
least in that time-frame.? However, never saw the term Quack used
with it.? Nothing comes up in search for "quack surgeon" except
references to what I believe is a video game: "Quack Surgeon
is a Charisma-based perk in Fallout 76"
All thoughts, suggestions welcomed.?
Fran in Canada
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Re: What is a "Quack Surgeon" in 1851.
This is the link to the census in question:
Lin
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Nivard Ovington
Kathryne Natale
Sue Herrington