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Locked Yorkshire Surnames List -December 2023 update

 

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Surnames added this month:

EGLIN

HOPWOOD

HOUSLEY


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Re: Giggleswick place name

 

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Thanks all

Yes it’s Ackworth, just outside Giggleswick. Jennifer sent a link to an old map that is on GENUKI

Thank you all for your input.?

Jane

On 15 Dec 2023, at 18:13, Martin Briscoe (W10 laptop) <list@...> wrote:

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It is sometimes worth a search in the newspaper archive for a place name, there will be lots of transcriptions but it might find somewhere that is not in map gazetteer.?

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If there is a good HER (Historic Environment Record) for your area then search there as might find a house or farm name – I usually do this on Canmore in Scotland but there is no real equivalent in England though Wales has ARCHWILIO.

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Martin Briscoe

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Re: Giggleswick place name

 

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It is sometimes worth a search in the newspaper archive for a place name, there will be lots of transcriptions but it might find somewhere that is not in map gazetteer.?

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If there is a good HER (Historic Environment Record) for your area then search there as might find a house or farm name – I usually do this on Canmore in Scotland but there is no real equivalent in England though Wales has ARCHWILIO.

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Martin Briscoe

martin@...

Fort William

Ancestry DNA, FTDNA (B68554), GEDMatch (A374507), MyHeritage MH-4MN878


Re: Giggleswick place name

 

Do you think it should read Ackworth which is near Pontefract.

Hilary Jackson

On Thu, 14 Dec 2023 at 20:55, Jane Lucas via <janelucas=[email protected]> wrote:
Hello

I have a baptism for ‘Adam son of Thomas Wilson Akewith’ 26 May 1715 St. Alkelda's Church,? Giggleswick.
I can’t find any place name ‘Akewith’ only Austwick, which is a parish contiguous with Giggleswick.
I wonder if someone can help please,? is it Akewith?
Thanks
Jane







Re: Giggleswick place name

Arthur K
 

Ackworth does seem likely (not to be confused with the parish of that name, near Pontefract). This link should show side by side maps (old and modern) with Ackworth in the middle:



(You might need to move or hide the pop-up help boxes, and you can pan and zoom to see where it is in relation to the wider area.)


Re: Giggleswick place name

 

North Yorkshire Record office used to have a good collection of old maps on their website but I can no longer find them.

The best collection of old maps is on the NLS website.



There are various types (including maps of England & Wales), most that you need are in 'Series'.



Try the 25" maps

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Martin Briscoe
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jane Lucas via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2023 8:58 AM
To: Yorkshire Genealogy <[email protected]>
Subject: [yorksgen] Giggleswick place name

Hello

I have a baptism for ‘Adam son of Thomas Wilson Akewith’ 26 May 1715 St. Alkelda's Church, Giggleswick.
I can’t find any place name ‘Akewith’ only Austwick, which is a parish contiguous with Giggleswick.
I wonder if someone can help please, is it Akewith?
Thanks
Jane


Re: Giggleswick place name

 

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It could be an area around the church,as it has the same name.








-------- Original message --------
From: "Jane Lucas via groups.io" <janelucas@...>
Date: 14/12/2023 20:55 (GMT+00:00)
To: Yorkshire Genealogy <[email protected]>
Subject: [yorksgen] Giggleswick place name

Hello

I have a baptism for ‘Adam son of Thomas Wilson Akewith’ 26 May 1715 St. Alkelda's Church,? Giggleswick.
I can’t find any place name ‘Akewith’ only Austwick, which is a parish contiguous with Giggleswick.
I wonder if someone can help please,? is it Akewith?
Thanks
Jane







Re: Giggleswick place name

 

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Thank you so much for that. I missed that map. ‘Ackworth’ is definitely correct. ?A survey of English Placenames gives the historical form as?
  • Ac(k)with?1645?WillY?1771?M . ?from the Latin for ‘coppice’.
I missed that map completely!

Regards
Jane

On 14 Dec 2023, at 22:26, Jennifer Crockett <ferfinds@...> wrote:

I read Akewith. There is an Ackworth on old maps.


On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 at 07:55, Jane Lucas via <janelucas=[email protected]> wrote:


Re: Giggleswick place name

 

I read Akewith. There is an Ackworth on old maps.


On Fri, 15 Dec 2023 at 07:55, Jane Lucas via <janelucas=[email protected]> wrote:

Hello

I have a baptism for ‘Adam son of Thomas Wilson Akewith’ 26 May 1715 St. Alkelda's Church,? Giggleswick.
I can’t find any place name ‘Akewith’ only Austwick, which is a parish contiguous with Giggleswick.
I wonder if someone can help please,? is it Akewith?
Thanks
Jane







Giggleswick place name

 

Hello

I have a baptism for ‘Adam son of Thomas Wilson Akewith’ 26 May 1715 St. Alkelda's Church, Giggleswick.
I can’t find any place name ‘Akewith’ only Austwick, which is a parish contiguous with Giggleswick.
I wonder if someone can help please, is it Akewith?
Thanks
Jane


Re: Advice please (re: Kirk Bramwith & Braithwaite)

 

Thank you for your? reply. My records show the GREAVES / DUCKITT farm was in Braithwaite near Kirk Bramwith in 1766. Maybe I need to contact Doncaster Archives to see if they have info about ownership of? farms in that period.?
Best wishes
?Margaret?

On Sun, 3 Dec 2023, 16:29 Margaret Shearing via , <m.shearing.47=[email protected]> wrote:
Thank you for your? knowledge of the? area especially? the advice for driving? there. I shall? remember that? and the two people who sadly? lost their? lives.
Best wishes
Margaret?

On Sun, 3 Dec 2023, 13:24 John Woolsey via , <Johnwoolsey=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Andrew & Margaret,

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The farms you mentioned are actually situated in ‘Thorpe in Balne’, my family lived at ‘Spring Acre Farm’ from 1966 until around the mid 70’s,

but we shortened the name of the property from ‘Springfields Farm’ to ‘Springfields’, current maps show the land to have been shortened somewhat, but when my family owned it, the land stretched all the way to the railway embankment, which was by then disused and repurposed as a ‘walk’,

Sickle Cross Farm were our neighbours, (Nicholson family?),

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Re: Advice please (re: Kirk Bramwith & Braithwaite)

 

Thank you for your? knowledge of the? area especially? the advice for driving? there. I shall? remember that? and the two people who sadly? lost their? lives.
Best wishes
Margaret?

On Sun, 3 Dec 2023, 13:24 John Woolsey via , <Johnwoolsey=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Andrew & Margaret,

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The farms you mentioned are actually situated in ‘Thorpe in Balne’, my family lived at ‘Spring Acre Farm’ from 1966 until around the mid 70’s,

but we shortened the name of the property from ‘Springfields Farm’ to ‘Springfields’, current maps show the land to have been shortened somewhat, but when my family owned it, the land stretched all the way to the railway embankment, which was by then disused and repurposed as a ‘walk’,

Sickle Cross Farm were our neighbours, (Nicholson family?),

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Re: Advice please (re: Kirk Bramwith & Braithwaite)

 

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Presumably the largest farm in Braithwaite was that associated with a house later known as Braithwaite Hall. This was owned from the 16th century to around 1750 by a well recorded Quaker family called DEARMAN.? For full details see "The Families of Atkinson of Roxby and Dearman of Braithwaite" by H W Atkinson published privately about 1935. The text is available online for example at archive.org.?
The Dearmans are said to have sold it around 1750. If it was freehold you ought to find a record of the sale in the West Riding Deeds Registry in the archives at Wakefield.
You should be able to search the indexes to deeds for the surnames you mention in tge 18th century. Bear in mind though that if they were tenants or copyholders they are unlikely to appear.


Chris Pitt Lewis?


-------- Original message --------
From: Margaret Shearing <m.shearing.47@...>
Date: 02/12/2023 18:19 (GMT+00:00)
Subject: [yorksgen] Advice please

Hi

My ancestor William GREAVES lived at a farm in Braithwaite near Kirk Bramwith, from about 1776 when he married a young widow, Ann DUCKETT, (maiden name WAITE) until he died in 1807. Their children were baptised at Kirk Bramwith.?

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He was a farmer but I do not have a name of the farm. When Ann’s first husband, William DUCKITT died, he left a lot of land and buildings to his DUCKITT relatives but provided well for Ann, who married William GREAVES three months after William DUCKITT’s death.

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Does anyone know if there are/were many farms in Braithwaite, Kirk Bramwith?

Can anyone suggest how I could find out which farm my ancestors lived at?

Margaret Shearing


Re: Advice please (re: Kirk Bramwith & Braithwaite)

 

This Historic England entry for Hermitage Farmhouse? shows several additional 'farms' on the map around Braithwaite.

If you have access to Tithe maps, e.g. The Genealogist, then there are several apportionments to Duckitt - the Hermitage apportionment appears to be to William Duckitt.

shows Hermitage rather than Hermitage Farm so searching for 'farms' may not reveal all of them?

Hopefully, some clues in the above?

Kelvin


Re: Advice please (re: Kirk Bramwith & Braithwaite)

 

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Hi Andrew & Margaret,

?

The farms you mentioned are actually situated in ‘Thorpe in Balne’, my family lived at ‘Spring Acre Farm’ from 1966 until around the mid 70’s,

but we shortened the name of the property from ‘Springfields Farm’ to ‘Springfields’, current maps show the land to have been shortened somewhat, but when my family owned it, the land stretched all the way to the railway embankment, which was by then disused and repurposed as a ‘walk’,

Sickle Cross Farm were our neighbours, (Nicholson family?),

Prior to ‘Springfields Farm’, my parents were in the process of purchasing a property in either Braithwaite or Kirk Bramwith but the purchase fell through and Springfields Farm was purchased instead, unfortunately I can’t remember the name or exact location of the property although I can still see it in my ‘mind’s eye’,
The whole area was a farming community and largely, if you didn’t own one, you were either related to the family or employed by one,

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‘Springfields Farm’ was actually a bungalow with no outbuildings other than a dilapidated wooden garage, but we erected a large enclosed barn plus large chicken sheds, the property was recorded as a smallholding and my father ran a mobile shop serving the area, which included many farms until the family moved a short distance to a property in the hamlet of ‘Holme’, this was another smallholding but with a farming covenant, which my Father bought and made Freehold,

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I would say it wouldn’t be easy to get to Braithwaite or Kirk Bramwith from Thorpe in Balne because of the River Don and canal crossings necessary via Kirk Bramwith or Barnby Dunn, they were a pain in the 1960’s but maybe less so now just serving recreational barge traffic rather than commercial, the crossings were manual swing bridges when I lived there, so probably the same in the 1700’s,
Many modern properties have sprung up in the general area since the 60’s which is now very much altered, I should think many have been built ?on old farmsteads or their land, but during my time there it was a very charming rural ‘olde worlde’ collection of farming hamlets, I used to spend hours as a teen tootling around them enjoying the peace and the scenery, but until I passed my driving test, I used to walk from Thorpe in Balne to Barnby Dunn and back for the bus to work, public transport was non-existent in rural areas,
The roads were, and probably still are, very narrow and winding and often covered in mud from farm traffic, not a problem when cars were narrow like the Morris 1000 were typically in use, but today’s huge monsters, cars as well as tractors, I have no doubt will be causing issues, there were, and probably still are, many deep drainage dykes with steep sides on roadsides and none with any safety barriers, I lost acquaintances to one when the driver missed a bend and overturned their MBG into a full dyke, the sides of the dyke jammed the doors closed and trapped the occupants under water, they weren’t found until morning when a friend reported them missing, I almost met the same fate when the driver of the Bedford CA van I was travelling in started messing around and almost lost control, we hit the grass verge, but luckily for us didn’t skid into the dyke, we got away with it but the driver was well chastened and calmed down, we were all around 18 yoa at the time, but even nearly 60 years on, I remember that couple and treat roads with dykes with the greatest respect, so if you visit the area, please do take care, any dykes are very likely to be full at this time of year, and they’re deep!.

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Apologies to any who feel this is a bit of a ramble, but hopefully this will be of some use to you, if only for a bit of ‘ flesh on the bones’ of local knowledge, I left the area around 40 years ago and I now live on the East coast, but still have very fond memories of living in the area,

I do have one or two photo’s of ‘Springfields Farm’ I could scan if they mean anything to you.

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Kind regards,

John Woolsey

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Andrew Loughran
Sent: 02 December 2023 18:40
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [yorksgen] Advice please

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Sickle Croft Farm

Spring Acre Farm

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Andrew

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On Sat, 2 Dec 2023 at 18:18, Margaret Shearing <m.shearing.47@...> wrote:

Hi

My ancestor William GREAVES lived at a farm in Braithwaite near Kirk Bramwith, from about 1776 when he married a young widow, Ann DUCKETT, (maiden name WAITE) until he died in 1807. Their children were baptised at Kirk Bramwith.?

?

He was a farmer but I do not have a name of the farm. When Ann’s first husband, William DUCKITT died, he left a lot of land and buildings to his DUCKITT relatives but provided well for Ann, who married William GREAVES three months after William DUCKITT’s death.

?

?

Does anyone know if there are/were many farms in Braithwaite, Kirk Bramwith?

Can anyone suggest how I could find out which farm my ancestors lived at?

Margaret Shearing

?

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Re: Advice please (re: Kirk Bramwith & Braithwaite)

 

Sickle Croft Farm
Spring Acre Farm
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Andrew
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On Sat, 2 Dec 2023 at 18:18, Margaret Shearing <m.shearing.47@...> wrote:

Hi

My ancestor William GREAVES lived at a farm in Braithwaite near Kirk Bramwith, from about 1776 when he married a young widow, Ann DUCKETT, (maiden name WAITE) until he died in 1807. Their children were baptised at Kirk Bramwith.?

?

He was a farmer but I do not have a name of the farm. When Ann’s first husband, William DUCKITT died, he left a lot of land and buildings to his DUCKITT relatives but provided well for Ann, who married William GREAVES three months after William DUCKITT’s death.

?

?

Does anyone know if there are/were many farms in Braithwaite, Kirk Bramwith?

Can anyone suggest how I could find out which farm my ancestors lived at?

Margaret Shearing

?

?


Advice please (re: Kirk Bramwith & Braithwaite)

 

Hi

My ancestor William GREAVES lived at a farm in Braithwaite near Kirk Bramwith, from about 1776 when he married a young widow, Ann DUCKETT, (maiden name WAITE) until he died in 1807. Their children were baptised at Kirk Bramwith.?

?

He was a farmer but I do not have a name of the farm. When Ann’s first husband, William DUCKITT died, he left a lot of land and buildings to his DUCKITT relatives but provided well for Ann, who married William GREAVES three months after William DUCKITT’s death.

?

?

Does anyone know if there are/were many farms in Braithwaite, Kirk Bramwith?

Can anyone suggest how I could find out which farm my ancestors lived at?

Margaret Shearing


Locked Yorkshire Surnames List - November update

 

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Just one surname added this month:

GAVIN


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Re: Placing out meaning

 

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Placed out to me would mean they were living with their employers

Andy


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of JA Woodall <jane.woodall2016@...>
Sent: 20 November 2023 16:22
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [yorksgen] Placing out meaning
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Hi everyone

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Dare I ask a question relating to Lincolnshire on a Yorkshire list?!! It is for the family tree of someone who now lives in Yorkshire...

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In 1847 the Alford Agricultural society awarded a prize to?“The labourer in husbandry, of good character, who shall have brought up or is now bringing up by his own industry, the largest family without parochial relief (except in case of long illness or misfortune) and not having occupied more than one acre of land, regard being had to the number of children placed out, the first premium of ?3 went to Thomas Horton of Theddlethorpe, labourer to Mr Rd Mason having had 16 children, six placed out.”? (I could only find 13 children)

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The family have seven children in the 1841 census (one boy had died and the oldest boy and girl would be teenagers so I assume working.) In the 1851 census the three oldest boys from 1841 are no longer at home (again assuming they are working) and there are three new children.?



?Initially I thought placed out might refer to the children finding work? to support the family but now I wonder if they were given to other families to be raised? Is that the more likely explanation?


best wishes


Jane?

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