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Mark,
? ? ?Are you saying you object to the slow operation of the Bowsers with DCC decoders and/or Helix Humpers? One of the intentional characteristics of the HH conversion is the slowing of the overall top speed of the locomotives. The HH conversion slows the speed and quiets the loco while (supposedly) increasing pulling power and low amp usage-- all by using a smallish looking can motor and some different gearing. The trade off is significantly slower top speed. So you're saying, after the conversion, you wish the locos were faster??
? ? ?This reminds me of something I heard Lew English musing about years ago. He said that he had been fielding complaints for years from modelers who didn't like the noise of the Bowser trains however, with the advent of DCC and speakers, modelers "wanted them loud again!" Likewise, modelers have also complained for some time about the "unrealistic" high speeds of some Bowser locos but I have also heard from other modelers, like you, who don't necessarily like the slower top speed once they've made the HH conversion. The same goes for DCC installation. What you get with DCC is smoother starts, multiple loco consisting, low amp draw, sounds... and "more realistic" top speed (I.E. slower).?
? ? I've messed around with different combination of open frame motors and original gearing, new gearboxes, can motors and helix humpers and all have their advantages but none of them can give you absolutely every range operation. I kind of like having various kinds of set-ups which allows for a real variety of operations. Different locos for different tasks. I also happen to think that the traditional open frame motor on DC power turning a worm on a 27 (or so) tooth axle gear is the most "realistic" way to actually operate a model HO scale steamer. This is because, with this kind of set-up, your locomotive is much more "slippery" to start and to pull trains up grades... like the prototype really was. It seems to me that the operational characteristics of HH or DCC conversions are the brain children of modelers who grew up on diesels and are trying to make steamers operate more like diesels. Yes, model diesels with smooth can motors are much more sure footed and require less maintenance. Exactly! That is precisely why the real diesels rendered the real steamers obsolete. There is a charm and quaintness to steam locomotives but there is a trade off and that is that they are completely different beasts that require a different kind of maintenance and operation than diesels--whether you're talking actual trains or models. It goes with the territory.
? ? ?? ? ?
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To: yardbirdtrains
Sent: Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:52 am
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Steam diagnostics ? Oh yeah !
?
Henry, why do you prefer the brass frames? I always wondered which frame was better??? I spoke with a Bowser Rep. one time and he leaned more to the cast frame, because it was less likely to warp and no solder joints to break. No, bearings and he said the cast frame acted like a natural lubricant for the driver axles, plus tended to hold lubricant better when added. That being said I only have one Bowser that has a cast frame. My L1 that I'm currently detailing when I need a break from my H9. And by the way all the L1's (3) currently move at the same speed characteristics as the H9, slow. And all have decoders. With the frame swap out it might be time to figure out how to do those pickups.
I haven't tried to remove the front pilot yet, but that's easy enough.
Mark
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Long95209" wrote:
>
> It's a formula for insanity . It'll drive you to the brink , and when you find it ? Joy ! That is an excellent idea , swapping the chassis out . You're eliminating the possible problems . Good thinking on your part ! Springing [lead truck / drawbar ] can give grief also , my favorite choice is the brass frame . But that's just me ! It takes courage to model steam ! Henry
>
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Wow ! Jeff that is a very good posting . If may beg your indulgence ? There was , and may still be that group of modelers that wants to "count the ties" ? Very ,very , slow speed operation that the HH conversion will give you . Low amperage draw is also a factor [?] although if you "tune up " your open frame motor they perform fairly well . It's all in your preferences . And [OMG] it can be SO frustrating . Well stated Jeff ! Henry H.
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Mark,
Are you saying you object to the slow operation of the Bowsers with DCC decoders and/or Helix Humpers? One of the intentional characteristics of the HH conversion is the slowing of the overall top speed of the locomotives. The HH conversion slows the speed and quiets the loco while (supposedly) increasing pulling power and low amp usage-- all by using a smallish looking can motor and some different gearing. The trade off is significantly slower top speed. So you're saying, after the conversion, you wish the locos were faster?
This reminds me of something I heard Lew English musing about years ago. He said that he had been fielding complaints for years from modelers who didn't like the noise of the Bowser trains however, with the advent of DCC and speakers, modelers "wanted them loud again!" Likewise, modelers have also complained for some time about the "unrealistic" high speeds of some Bowser locos but I have also heard from other modelers, like you, who don't necessarily like the slower top speed once they've made the HH conversion. The same goes for DCC installation. What you get with DCC is smoother starts, multiple loco consisting, low amp draw, sounds... and "more realistic" top speed (I.E. slower).
I've messed around with different combination of open frame motors and original gearing, new gearboxes, can motors and helix humpers and all have their advantages but none of them can give you absolutely every range operation. I kind of like having various kinds of set-ups which allows for a real variety of operations. Different locos for different tasks. I also happen to think that the traditional open frame motor on DC power turning a worm on a 27 (or so) tooth axle gear is the most "realistic" way to actually operate a model HO scale steamer. This is because, with this kind of set-up, your locomotive is much more "slippery" to start and to pull trains up grades... like the prototype really was. It seems to me that the operational characteristics of HH or DCC conversions are the brain children of modelers who grew up on diesels and are trying to make steamers operate more like diesels. Yes, model diesels with smooth can motors are much more sure footed and require less maintenance. Exactly! That is precisely why the real diesels rendered the real steamers obsolete. There is a charm and quaintness to steam locomotives but there is a trade off and that is that they are completely different beasts that require a different kind of maintenance and operation than diesels--whether you're talking actual trains or models. It goes with the territory.
Jeff
jppellas@...
-----Original Message-----
From: twilight022765
To: yardbirdtrains
Sent: Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:52 am
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Steam diagnostics ? Oh yeah !
Henry, why do you prefer the brass frames? I always wondered which frame was better??? I spoke with a Bowser Rep. one time and he leaned more to the cast frame, because it was less likely to warp and no solder joints to break. No, bearings and he said the cast frame acted like a natural lubricant for the driver axles, plus tended to hold lubricant better when added. That being said I only have one Bowser that has a cast frame. My L1 that I'm currently detailing when I need a break from my H9. And by the way all the L1's (3) currently move at the same speed characteristics as the H9, slow. And all have decoders. With the frame swap out it might be time to figure out how to do those pickups.
I haven't tried to remove the front pilot yet, but that's easy enough.
Mark
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Long95209" wrote:
It's a formula for insanity . It'll drive you to the brink , and when you find it ? Joy ! That is an excellent idea , swapping the chassis out . You're eliminating the possible problems . Good thinking on your part ! Springing [lead truck / drawbar ] can give grief also , my favorite choice is the brass frame . But that's just me ! It takes courage to model steam ! Henry
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No, Jeff I'm not saying that I object to the slow operation of a Helix Humper motor with a DCC decoder. What I am trying to do is ask for helpful advice from people that may have already experienced some of these problems I tried to set forth and try to narrow down what worked for other modelers. That's all. If the HH is suppose to operate at a slower more realistic speed, so be it. But, when the locomotive struggles to pull 5 cars around the club's layout, somethings wrong.?. I haven't stated it in any of the other posts because I just came across it last night, between my L1 project Bowser and my H9 I can clearly see a difference between both power and speed on my test track and both locomotives are set up the same way.
And further more, maybe this isn't or wasn't the forum to have discussed this in, but the other message board pages that are out there really don't have much to say on vintage HO locomotives they seem to be more of RTR modelers. So, please excuse my ignorance. If I was wrong to post these questions here I would have hoped the moderator would have let me know. On the other hand, I believe I got alot of helpful information from the others that offered their advice.
Also, thank-you very much for posting the video of the H9 in operation. Do you know how many cars it was pulling?
Mark
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Wow ! Jeff that is a very good posting . If may beg your indulgence ? There was , and may still be that group of modelers that wants to "count the ties" ? Very ,very , slow speed operation that the HH conversion will give you . Low amperage draw is also a factor [?] although if you "tune up " your open frame motor they perform fairly well . It's all in your preferences . And [OMG] it can be SO frustrating . Well stated Jeff ! Henry H.
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Jeff Pellas wrote:
Mark,
Are you saying you object to the slow operation of the Bowsers with DCC decoders and/or Helix Humpers? One of the intentional characteristics of the HH conversion is the slowing of the overall top speed of the locomotives. The HH conversion slows the speed and quiets the loco while (supposedly) increasing pulling power and low amp usage-- all by using a smallish looking can motor and some different gearing. The trade off is significantly slower top speed. So you're saying, after the conversion, you wish the locos were faster?
This reminds me of something I heard Lew English musing about years ago. He said that he had been fielding complaints for years from modelers who didn't like the noise of the Bowser trains however, with the advent of DCC and speakers, modelers "wanted them loud again!" Likewise, modelers have also complained for some time about the "unrealistic" high speeds of some Bowser locos but I have also heard from other modelers, like you, who don't necessarily like the slower top speed once they've made the HH conversion. The same goes for DCC installation. What you get with DCC is smoother starts, multiple loco consisting, low amp draw, sounds... and "more realistic" top speed (I.E. slower).
I've messed around with different combination of open frame motors and original gearing, new gearboxes, can motors and helix humpers and all have their advantages but none of them can give you absolutely every range operation. I kind of like having various kinds of set-ups which allows for a real variety of operations. Different locos for different tasks. I also happen to think that the traditional open frame motor on DC power turning a worm on a 27 (or so) tooth axle gear is the most "realistic" way to actually operate a model HO scale steamer. This is because, with this kind of set-up, your locomotive is much more "slippery" to start and to pull trains up grades... like the prototype really was. It seems to me that the operational characteristics of HH or DCC conversions are the brain children of modelers who grew up on diesels and are trying to make steamers operate more like diesels. Yes, model diesels with smooth can motors are much more sure footed and require less maintenance. Exactly! That is precisely why the real diesels rendered the real steamers obsolete. There is a charm and quaintness to steam locomotives but there is a trade off and that is that they are completely different beasts that require a different kind of maintenance and operation than diesels--whether you're talking actual trains or models. It goes with the territory.
Jeff
jppellas@
-----Original Message-----
From: twilight022765
To: yardbirdtrains
Sent: Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:52 am
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Steam diagnostics ? Oh yeah !
Henry, why do you prefer the brass frames? I always wondered which frame was better??? I spoke with a Bowser Rep. one time and he leaned more to the cast frame, because it was less likely to warp and no solder joints to break. No, bearings and he said the cast frame acted like a natural lubricant for the driver axles, plus tended to hold lubricant better when added. That being said I only have one Bowser that has a cast frame. My L1 that I'm currently detailing when I need a break from my H9. And by the way all the L1's (3) currently move at the same speed characteristics as the H9, slow. And all have decoders. With the frame swap out it might be time to figure out how to do those pickups.
I haven't tried to remove the front pilot yet, but that's easy enough.
Mark
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Long95209" wrote:
It's a formula for insanity . It'll drive you to the brink , and when you find it ? Joy ! That is an excellent idea , swapping the chassis out . You're eliminating the possible problems . Good thinking on your part ! Springing [lead truck / drawbar ] can give grief also , my favorite choice is the brass frame . But that's just me ! It takes courage to model steam ! Henry
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Yes, well said from the camp of some of
us "Historic Entities" (HE's, as in "he said"...)! For me, some of
the modern approaches to modeling and operating the
models just made sense.? I have adopted those that please me.
Sometimes, I just let it be. For instance, I appreciate and
happily use open frame motors in so many I can't count 'em, but
find they respond well to transistorized throttles and DCC. I lost
all my brass track years ago, but have seen examples where the
higher current draw caused enough miniature sparking at the
whell/rail interface to quickly spoil contact and require
attention, even on NS track and NS wheels or tires. The lower
current draw of can motors with the same or more HP virtually
stopped any of this for me. So that helped, in the cases where I
chose to go through this pain.
So it comes down to the very personal expectations we have from
our hobby, and it varies with time ( I change my attitude often,
usually at the urging of my Sig-Other) and with each person. Some
like it hot, some like it cold. Sometimes you change your
preference. For me, though, I like some of the recent improvments,
and find them sometimes benficial even to this old dinosaur. I
know you do too, Jeff. We live at a golden opportunity age, if we
want to we can combine the old and new for the best effect!
I guess my particular situation makes a little difference in what
I employ and what I chose to accept as-is. The Museum here is now
my focus, and I must keep reasonably accurate models of what
actually ran through here (actually my choice, the former managers
never even had a clue this was possible or even desirable) with a
minimum of fuss. I run trains for every visitor and sometimes they
run all day without stopping. I have had to adopt a service
maintenance record for this kind of service, and adopt technology
that gives me the best operation and long-term reliability. My own
personal collection even includes some unpowered units though
(especially the PRR stuff)!
Tom Knowles
On 1/6/2013 10:31 AM, Long95209 wrote:
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?
Wow ! Jeff that is a very good posting . If may beg your
indulgence ? There was , and may still be that group of
modelers that wants to "count the ties" ? Very ,very ,
slow speed operation that the HH conversion will give you
. Low amperage draw is also a factor [?] although if you
"tune up " your open frame motor they perform fairly well
. It's all in your preferences . And [OMG] it can be SO
frustrating . Well stated Jeff ! Henry H.
--- In yardbirdtrains@...,
Jeff Pellas wrote:
>
> Mark,
> Are you saying you object to the slow operation of
the Bowsers with DCC decoders and/or Helix Humpers? One of
the intentional characteristics of the HH conversion is
the slowing of the overall top speed of the locomotives.
The HH conversion slows the speed and quiets the loco
while (supposedly) increasing pulling power and low amp
usage-- all by using a smallish looking can motor and some
different gearing. The trade off is significantly slower
top speed. So you're saying, after the conversion, you
wish the locos were faster?
> This reminds me of something I heard Lew English
musing about years ago. He said that he had been fielding
complaints for years from modelers who didn't like the
noise of the Bowser trains however, with the advent of DCC
and speakers, modelers "wanted them loud again!" Likewise,
modelers have also complained for some time about the
"unrealistic" high speeds of some Bowser locos but I have
also heard from other modelers, like you, who don't
necessarily like the slower top speed once they've made
the HH conversion. The same goes for DCC installation.
What you get with DCC is smoother starts, multiple loco
consisting, low amp draw, sounds... and "more realistic"
top speed (I.E. slower).
> I've messed around with different combination of open
frame motors and original gearing, new gearboxes, can
motors and helix humpers and all have their advantages but
none of them can give you absolutely every range
operation. I kind of like having various kinds of set-ups
which allows for a real variety of operations. Different
locos for different tasks. I also happen to think that the
traditional open frame motor on DC power turning a worm on
a 27 (or so) tooth axle gear is the most "realistic" way
to actually operate a model HO scale steamer. This is
because, with this kind of set-up, your locomotive is much
more "slippery" to start and to pull trains up grades...
like the prototype really was. It seems to me that the
operational characteristics of HH or DCC conversions are
the brain children of modelers who grew up on diesels and
are trying to make steamers operate more like diesels.
Yes, model diesels with smooth can motors are much more
sure footed and require less maintenance. Exactly! That is
precisely why the real diesels rendered the real steamers
obsolete. There is a charm and quaintness to steam
locomotives but there is a trade off and that is that they
are completely different beasts that require a different
kind of maintenance and operation than diesels--whether
you're talking actual trains or models. It goes with the
territory.
>
>
>
> Jeff
> jppellas@...
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: twilight022765
> To: yardbirdtrains
> Sent: Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:52 am
> Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Steam diagnostics ? Oh
yeah !
>
>
>
>
>
> Henry, why do you prefer the brass frames? I always
wondered which frame was better??? I spoke with a Bowser
Rep. one time and he leaned more to the cast frame,
because it was less likely to warp and no solder joints to
break. No, bearings and he said the cast frame acted like
a natural lubricant for the driver axles, plus tended to
hold lubricant better when added. That being said I only
have one Bowser that has a cast frame. My L1 that I'm
currently detailing when I need a break from my H9. And by
the way all the L1's (3) currently move at the same speed
characteristics as the H9, slow. And all have decoders.
With the frame swap out it might be time to figure out how
to do those pickups.
>
> I haven't tried to remove the front pilot yet, but
that's easy enough.
>
> Mark
>
> --- In yardbirdtrains@...,
"Long95209" wrote:
> >
> > It's a formula for insanity . It'll drive you to
the brink , and when you find it ? Joy ! That is an
excellent idea , swapping the chassis out . You're
eliminating the possible problems . Good thinking on your
part ! Springing [lead truck / drawbar ] can give grief
also , my favorite choice is the brass frame . But that's
just me ! It takes courage to model steam ! Henry
> >
>
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Jeff, An excellent discourse on model steamers.? And this also applies to, especially, older brass. Denis
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I totally agree Denis , I nominate Jeff for a 1/87 PHD. !! Again very well put Jeff ! Henry
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Jeff,
An excellent discourse on model steamers. And this also applies to,
especially, older brass.
Denis
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Mark,
? ? ? Sometimes a subject comes up that sparks a related thought that has been on my mind ---and that was the trade offs that occur when remotoring, regearing, adding DCC, etc. ?It's a tangent that you didn't anticipate your thread going down but that happens in a forum like this. I knew I was starting a different thread which is why I slightly changed the heading. That being said, I know I tend to sermonize from time to time and I hope you're not put off by that because everything you've brought up is 100% relevant to this forum. Model Railroading in the 21st century with trains that are 40, 50, 60 or so years old is a particular niche in our hobby that is not covered in the trade magazines. I really think this forum provides a vital link to bridge the gulf of years between when those models were new and the technology of today that some of us (including me) try to marry to those models. Any issue that arises along these lines is something I am very interested in so please continue to post. ?
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From: twilight022765
To: yardbirdtrains
Sent: Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:20 am
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Steam diagnostics. Locomotive Speed
?
No, Jeff I'm not saying that I object to the slow operation of a Helix Humper motor with a DCC decoder. What I am trying to do is ask for helpful advice from people that may have already experienced some of these problems I tried to set forth and try to narrow down what worked for other modelers. That's all. If the HH is suppose to operate at a slower more realistic speed, so be it. But, when the locomotive struggles to pull 5 cars around the club's layout, somethings wrong.?. I haven't stated it in any of the other posts because I just came across it last night, between my L1 project Bowser and my H9 I can clearly see a difference between both power and speed on my test track and both locomotives are set up the same way.
And further more, maybe this isn't or wasn't the forum to have discussed this in, but the other message board pages that are out there really don't have much to say on vintage HO locomotives they seem to be more of RTR modelers. So, please excuse my ignorance. If I was wrong to post these questions here I would have hoped the moderator would have let me know. On the other hand, I believe I got alot of helpful information from the others that offered their advice.
Also, thank-you very much for posting the video of the H9 in operation. Do you know how many cars it was pulling?
Mark
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Long95209" wrote:
>
> Wow ! Jeff that is a very good posting . If may beg your indulgence ? There was , and may still be that group of modelers that wants to "count the ties" ? Very ,very , slow speed operation that the HH conversion will give you . Low amperage draw is also a factor [?] although if you "tune up " your open frame motor they perform fairly well . It's all in your preferences . And [OMG] it can be SO frustrating . Well stated Jeff ! Henry H.
>
> --- In yardbirdtrains@..., Jeff Pellas wrote:
> >
> > Mark,
> > Are you saying you object to the slow operation of the Bowsers with DCC decoders and/or Helix Humpers? One of the intentional characteristics of the HH conversion is the slowing of the overall top speed of the locomotives. The HH conversion slows the speed and quiets the loco while (supposedly) increasing pulling power and low amp usage-- all by using a smallish looking can motor and some different gearing. The trade off is significantly slower top speed. So you're saying, after the conversion, you wish the locos were faster?
> > This reminds me of something I heard Lew English musing about years ago. He said that he had been fielding complaints for years from modelers who didn't like the noise of the Bowser trains however, with the advent of DCC and speakers, modelers "wanted them loud again!" Likewise, modelers have also complained for some time about the "unrealistic" high speeds of some Bowser locos but I have also heard from other modelers, like you, who don't necessarily like the slower top speed once they've made the HH conversion. The same goes for DCC installation. What you get with DCC is smoother starts, multiple loco consisting, low amp draw, sounds... and "more realistic" top speed (I.E. slower).
> > I've messed around with different combination of open frame motors and original gearing, new gearboxes, can motors and helix humpers and all have their advantages but none of them can give you absolutely every range operation. I kind of like having various kinds of set-ups which allows for a real variety of operations. Different locos for different tasks. I also happen to think that the traditional open frame motor on DC power turning a worm on a 27 (or so) tooth axle gear is the most "realistic" way to actually operate a model HO scale steamer. This is because, with this kind of set-up, your locomotive is much more "slippery" to start and to pull trains up grades... like the prototype really was. It seems to me that the operational characteristics of HH or DCC conversions are the brain children of modelers who grew up on diesels and are trying to make steamers operate more like diesels. Yes, model diesels with smooth can motors are much
more sure footed and require less maintenance. Exactly! That is precisely why the real diesels rendered the real steamers obsolete. There is a charm and quaintness to steam locomotives but there is a trade off and that is that they are completely different beasts that require a different kind of maintenance and operation than diesels--whether you're talking actual trains or models. It goes with the territory.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeff
> > jppellas@
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: twilight022765
> > To: yardbirdtrains
> > Sent: Sat, Jan 5, 2013 7:52 am
> > Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Steam diagnostics ? Oh yeah !
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Henry, why do you prefer the brass frames? I always wondered which frame was better??? I spoke with a Bowser Rep. one time and he leaned more to the cast frame, because it was less likely to warp and no solder joints to break. No, bearings and he said the cast frame acted like a natural lubricant for the driver axles, plus tended to hold lubricant better when added. That being said I only have one Bowser that has a cast frame. My L1 that I'm currently detailing when I need a break from my H9. And by the way all the L1's (3) currently move at the same speed characteristics as the H9, slow. And all have decoders. With the frame swap out it might be time to figure out how to do those pickups.
> >
> > I haven't tried to remove the front pilot yet, but that's easy enough.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > --- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Long95209" wrote:
> > >
> > > It's a formula for insanity . It'll drive you to the brink , and when you find it ? Joy ! That is an excellent idea , swapping the chassis out . You're eliminating the possible problems . Good thinking on your part ! Springing [lead truck / drawbar ] can give grief also , my favorite choice is the brass frame . But that's just me ! It takes courage to model steam ! Henry
> > >
> >
>
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Amen
Tom Knowles
NOTE NEW ADDRESS: tomk@...
On 1/8/2013 7:13 AM, Jeff Pellas wrote:
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Mark,
? ? ?
Sometimes a subject comes up that sparks a related
thought that has been on my mind ---and that was the
trade offs that occur when remotoring, regearing, adding
DCC, etc. ?It's a tangent
that you didn't anticipate your thread going down but
that happens in a forum like this. I knew I was
starting a different thread which is why I slightly
changed the heading. That being said, I know I tend to
sermonize from time to time and I hope you're not put
off by that because everything you've brought up is
100% relevant to this forum. Model Railroading in the
21st century with trains that are 40, 50, 60 or so
years old is a particular niche in our hobby that is
not covered in the trade magazines. I really think
this forum provides a vital link to bridge the gulf of
years between when those models were new and the
technology of today that some of us (including me) try
to marry to those models. Any issue that arises along
these lines is something I am very interested in so
please continue to post. ?
-----Original
Message-----
From: twilight022765
To: yardbirdtrains
Sent: Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:20 am
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Steam diagnostics.
Locomotive Speed
?
No, Jeff I'm not saying that I object
to the slow operation of a Helix Humper
motor with a DCC decoder. What I am trying
to do is ask for helpful advice from
people that may have already experienced
some of these problems I tried to set
forth and try to narrow down what worked
for other modelers. That's all. If the HH
is suppose to operate at a slower more
realistic speed, so be it. But, when the
locomotive struggles to pull 5 cars around
the club's layout, somethings wrong.?. I
haven't stated it in any of the other
posts because I just came across it last
night, between my L1 project Bowser and my
H9 I can clearly see a difference between
both power and speed on my test track and
both locomotives are set up the same way.
And further more, maybe this isn't or
wasn't the forum to have discussed this
in, but the other message board pages that
are out there really don't have much to
say on vintage HO locomotives they seem to
be more of RTR modelers. So, please excuse
my ignorance. If I was wrong to post these
questions here I would have hoped the
moderator would have let me know. On the
other hand, I believe I got alot of
helpful information from the others that
offered their advice.
Also, thank-you very much for posting the
video of the H9 in operation. Do you know
how many cars it was pulling?
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Tom ! Tell it the way you want . Mark , Ask away . The really tough question is the one nobody asks . Never worry about me , if you're out of bounds I will let you know . Henry H.
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Amen
Tom Knowles
NOTE NEW ADDRESS: tomk@...
On 1/8/2013 7:13 AM, Jeff Pellas wrote:
Mark,
Sometimes a subject comes up that sparks a related thought that has
been on my mind ---and that was the trade offs that occur when
remotoring, regearing, adding DCC, etc. It's a tangent that you didn't
anticipate your thread going down but that happens in a forum like
this. I knew I was starting a different thread which is why I slightly
changed the heading. That being said, I know I tend to sermonize from
time to time and I hope you're not put off by that because everything
you've brought up is 100% relevant to this forum. Model Railroading in
the 21st century with trains that are 40, 50, 60 or so years old is a
particular niche in our hobby that is not covered in the trade
magazines. I really think this forum provides a vital link to bridge
the gulf of years between when those models were new and the
technology of today that some of us (including me) try to marry to
those models. Any issue that arises along these lines is something I
am very interested in so please continue to post.
Jeff
jppellas@...
-----Original Message-----
From: twilight022765
To: yardbirdtrains
Sent: Sun, Jan 6, 2013 9:20 am
Subject: [yardbirdtrains] Re: Steam diagnostics. Locomotive Speed
No, Jeff I'm not saying that I object to the slow operation of a Helix
Humper motor with a DCC decoder. What I am trying to do is ask for
helpful advice from people that may have already experienced some of
these problems I tried to set forth and try to narrow down what worked
for other modelers. That's all. If the HH is suppose to operate at a
slower more realistic speed, so be it. But, when the locomotive
struggles to pull 5 cars around the club's layout, somethings wrong.?.
I haven't stated it in any of the other posts because I just came
across it last night, between my L1 project Bowser and my H9 I can
clearly see a difference between both power and speed on my test track
and both locomotives are set up the same way.
And further more, maybe this isn't or wasn't the forum to have
discussed this in, but the other message board pages that are out
there really don't have much to say on vintage HO locomotives they
seem to be more of RTR modelers. So, please excuse my ignorance. If I
was wrong to post these questions here I would have hoped the
moderator would have let me know. On the other hand, I believe I got
alot of helpful information from the others that offered their advice.
Also, thank-you very much for posting the video of the H9 in
operation. Do you know how many cars it was pulling?
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Jeff Pellas