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Re: [traintools] FWD: Floquil, Polly Scale, Pactra, ColorArtz paints being discontinued
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If Walthers buys them, look for Floquil to cost about 10 bucks a bottle!
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:-O --- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Rob" <rrdeffinger@...> wrote:
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Re: [traintools] FWD: Floquil, Polly Scale, Pactra, ColorArtz paints being discontinued
Wow! Never realized that Testor was the manufacturer of all those brands. Have to stock up. Have you ever figured up what a gallon of their paint costs when you have to buy it at a half ounce at a time?
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And you think gas is expensive! Maybe Walthers will buy them. They make everything else. BobD. --- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Henry" <long95209@...> wrote:
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Re: K4 Altoona ?
Henry,
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? ? ?The saga of the 1361 is a very long and complicated. Several entities and organizations have had a crack at it; Sometimes this was for funding reasons and sometimes just because the project has taken so long, people have come and gone.?
? ? ?Some of the problems of the K-4 stem from the selection process when it was originally preserved. Basically the locomotive was the easiest one on the dead line to get to. So it is by chance that the 1361 is one of the very oldest K-4s they could have chosen, having been built in 1917. It was 10 years old when the last K-4s began their service lives in 1927. Also the 1361 was one of the very last K-4s in service (retired in 1957) so that locomotive was as beaten down and worn out a machine as you could imagine. Those who set aside the 1361 were not thinking about a 2nd life for the locomotive pulling excursions.
? ? ?Never the less, the loco was taken down from Horseshoe Curve in the spring of 1987 (I was there as an 18 year old) and, after receiving a cleaning, new coat of paint and a few safety upgrades, she began that 2nd life hauling excursions over Conrail. The new career was cut short when she broke the axle on the main driver after only a few months.
? ? ?I lost track of the K-4 saga for a few years after that because I entered college but at some point the decision was made to completely restore it. A group started the restoration at Steam Town in Scranton but, after some time and work and because of the influx of Government funds, the restoration had to be scuttled and begun all over again, this time using a very protracted and methodical process which would eventually completely restore/renew practically every piece of the locomotive. Each piece was systematically removed, measured, tested for soundness and remade if necessary (and it was almost always necessary). ?I believe most, if not all of the major restoration work was actually completed using this method. During that time, the 130P75 tender was modified by removing the retractable water scoop. There are no track pans existing so the machinery was removed to create more space to hold water.?
? ? ?Here's where my knowledge is hazy but what I gather happened next is that the government funding dried up and the various parts of the K-4 simply languished in storage. Meanwhile the Altoona Railroaders Memorial Museum went through at least a one reorganization upsetting and disenfranchising various folks along the way (which is inevitable, I suppose). During this time the K-4 was reacquired from Steamtown but the Altoona Museum did not have a place to store all the parts, let alone a fully assembled locomotive. Some of the pieces are definitely in Altoona but I'm told other parts are being stored at the East Broad Top RR and possibly other places.?
? ? ?The current regime in Altoona pledged to finish the K-4 restoration once they had a structure in place to house the loco. To this end they have, within the past year, erected a partial roundhouse on the museum grounds. If the previous work on the K-4 really was mostly completed, there really shouldn't be much more restoration that has to be done. Most of the remaining work consists of putting the bleeding thing back together! ?I am cautiously optimistic the locomotive will be ready for it's centennial in 2017.
? ? ?By the way, if you are planning to model the 1361, the Penn Line/Bowser locomotive is not the greatest place to start. The early K-4s were constructed with fabricated frames. The last run of K-4s in 1927 had cast steel frames which were about 2 1/2 ft shorter than the fabricated frame of earlier locos (like 1361). The Penn Line model loco is based on drawings of the 1927 K-4s. I once compared the lengths of a Penn Line K-4 with a Key Brass K-4 and the PL loco matched the cast frame loco length perfectly while the Key matched the fabricated frame length. ? ?
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Jeff
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-----Original Message----- From: Henry To: yardbirdtrains Sent: Thu, May 23, 2013 11:36 am Subject: [yardbirdtrains] K4 Altoona ?
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OK what's the story with that Jeff ? Big Bucks ? Sell it to the Ohio Central ? Tarp that tender ? Henry
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Jeff Pellas wrote: > > Was in Altoona today to see the 765. Sadly, just a little ways away from the Altoona station platform is the Altoona Railroaders Memorial Museum where the rusting tender for the K-4 is parked. Seeing the 765 makes me long for the K-4 to run again ...but will it ever? > > > Jeff > jppellas@... > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Henry > To: yardbirdtrains <yardbirdtrains@...> > Sent: Sun, May 19, 2013 10:58 am > Subject: [yardbirdtrains] NS rr steam train ? > > > > > > > I punched up Railpicturea.net this AM . Lo' and behold , there was NKP 765 Berkshire type on Horseshoe Curve . Those that can , go look ? Thanks NS . Henry > |
K4 Altoona ?
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OK what's the story with that Jeff ? Big Bucks ? Sell it to the Ohio Central ? Tarp that tender ? Henry
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--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Jeff Pellas <jppellas@...> wrote:
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Notice of discontinuation
I asked if it was true, because I was challenged by a member of one of these groups. This is the response from Testors, just received. In 2 words, "It's true!" Not an April Fools' Day joke. Walter ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: CustomerService CustomerService <CustomerService@...> Date: Tue, May 21, 2013 at 1:30 PM Subject: Re: Notice of discontinuation To: bayerw2@... Hello Walter, Thank you for your email. Yes this is true. Decisions such as these are never easy. Trends in model railroading have changed over time. Creating product for weathering and scenery has been more of the focus as train cars have moved to pre-decorated. The good news is that the same great products for weathering and scenery can be found in Testor's CreateFX line that is available now. Please check your local hobby shop or ( ) for information regarding this product line. We appreciate your passion for our business. We look forward to introducing you to this exciting new product line that is great for today's modeler as well as future generations. The Testor Corporation 1-800-837-8677 (1-800-testors) M-F 8:00 A.M - 4:00 PM CST Place your online order at: Keep up with all of the Testor's activities by liking us on Facebook and following us on Pinterest? Have you fanned us on facebook yet? >>> <bayerw2@...> 5/21/2013 11:47 AM >>> Is this message, below, genuine and true? The below is a direct quote and response from Testors Consumer Affairs Department... \"Dear Mr. ________ There are many changes taking place at The Testor Corporation. For over 80 years, we have provided premium paints and finishing systems to the craft and hobby industry. Recently we announced that we are transforming our business in order to more effectively address the changing needs of our consumers and their interests. We ve made the decision to exit the following businesses within the Testor Brand family - Pactra , Floquil , PollyScale , and ColorArtz . This will enable The Testor Corporation to return to our foundation of success providing premium, innovative product that inspires creativity. We will continue to accept orders and ship product for a limited time based on available quantities. Going forward, the following brands will be critical to our success and development - Testor , Model Master , and Aztek. These brands will be infused with marketing support, innovation and operational efficiencies. In support of this, we have announced a consolidation of operations at our Rockford facilities. Our commitment to the Testor brand has never been stronger. By implementing these changes, and the ability to leverage all of Rust-Oleum s world class services, we are more strongly poised to take our business to the next level through product and merchandising innovations, and increased customer understanding. If you have further questions, please feel free to let us know. We appreciate your business!! Sincerely, Beth The Testor Corporation Consumer Affairs Department 1-800-837-8677 (1-800-testors) M-F 8:00 A.M - 4:00 PM CST\" Thank you, Walter Regards, Walter |
Re: [traintools] FWD: Floquil, Polly Scale, Pactra, ColorArtz paints being discontinued
Henry
Oh my , well there's another speed bump up ahead ? Rapidly escalating regulations ? Diminishing returns ? Socialised programs ? No surprise sadly ! Rats ! Henry
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--- In yardbirdtrains@..., Walter Bayer II <bayerw2@...> wrote:
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[traintools] FWD: Floquil, Polly Scale, Pactra, ColorArtz paints being discontinued
With apologies to Rich, I thought this important enough to forward to several more Model RR communities. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Rich Zellich <rich@...> Date: Tue, May 21, 2013 at 2:35 AM Subject: [traintools] FWD: Floquil, Polly Scale, Pactra, ColorArtz paints being discontinued To: traintools@...
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Re: NS rr steam train ?
Henry
A few days prior to this NS run to Altoona , the 765 was running from Cleveland to the old NKP Division point of Bellevue . In the same month [may] in 1958 I was waiting on the platform of the Rocky River Depot to ride to Bellevue on an NRHS special which also went to Lima ! The 740 was under steam to pull it , but the ICC would not extend the flue time . We got Geeps instead , when we arrived in Bellevue you could still feel the warmth from 740 . Memory lane , eh ? off topic but , Please Pray for all those folks in Oklahoma ! And Kansas , Mo. , Ill?? It's going to be bad for them for another day or two . God bless you all .
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--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Henry" <long95209@...> wrote:
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Re: NS rr steam train ?
Was in Altoona today to see the 765. Sadly, just a little ways away from the Altoona station platform is the Altoona Railroaders Memorial Museum where the rusting tender for the K-4 is parked. Seeing the 765 makes me long for the K-4 to run again ...but will it ever??
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Jeff
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-----Original Message----- From: Henry To: yardbirdtrains Sent: Sun, May 19, 2013 10:58 am Subject: [yardbirdtrains] NS rr steam train ?
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I punched up Railpicturea.net this AM . Lo' and behold , there was NKP 765 Berkshire type on Horseshoe Curve . Those that can , go look ? Thanks NS . Henry
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Re: ABOUT ATHEARN
again I asy "AMEN"!!!! From: still just frank
To: yardbirdtrains@... Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 11:02 AM Subject: [yardbirdtrains] ABOUT ATHEARN
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My last dealings were the reverse of Dennis's . I own a lots of Athearn products. All purchased before Irvine passed away. After that the only 2 new things I purchased were a Pacific and a Mikado. Could not get replacement parts for these new unused locos. I'm not trying anymore. I don't care about this new Chinese, American company at all.
They can sell their product to someone else. toptrain. frank |
ABOUT ATHEARN
still just frank
My last dealings were the reverse of Dennis's . I own a lots of Athearn products. All purchased before Irvine passed away. After that the only 2 new things I purchased were a Pacific and a Mikado. Could not get replacement parts for these new unused locos. I'm not trying anymore. I don't care about this new Chinese, American company at all.
They can sell their product to someone else. toptrain. frank |
ABOUT ATHEARN
still just frank
My last dealings were the reverse of Dennis's . I own a lots of Athearn products. All purchased before Irvine passed away. After that the only 2 new things I purchased were a Pacific and a Mikado. Could not get replacement parts for these new unused locos. I'm not trying anymore. I don't care about this new Chinese, American company at all.
They can sell their product to someone else. toptrain. frank |
Re: There's the difference ? [ then and now ? ]
still just frank
--- In yardbirdtrains@..., "Denis Long" <avanti78@...> wrote:
** Now with Me I bought a Athearn pacific. Bad drive gear new. They never replaced it. always said they were out of stock. Stupid me I bought the Mikado. Gee bad drive gear new. Not replaced either. Not one to waste I have been stripping them for parts. I am no little kid. I am 67 year sold. I have 100's of Athearn cars and locos. since this happened I have bought NONE. I HOPE THEY GO OUT OF BUSINESS. |
Re: There's the difference ? [ then and now ? ]
Only problem is, he keeps forgetting to bring them in.
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We'll see....... Mike On May 17, 2013, at 6:25 AM, Mike Bauers wrote:
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Re: There's the difference ? [ then and now ? ]
That sounds like a box of treasure............. all those nicely mating gears.
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And they will run for a lifetime in that material. Best to ya... Mike Bauers Milwaukee, Wi, USA On May 14, 2013, at 9:04 PM, Mike Van Hove <mvanhove@...> wrote:
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Re: There's the difference ? [ then and now ? ]
You can also check slot car suppliers for gearing. They have seem to have a decent variety of metal pinions.
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Nelson --- In yardbirdtrains@..., Mike Van Hove <mvanhove@...> wrote:
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Re: There's the difference ? [ then and now ? ]
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThis sounds like the way to go.? I would ask the hobby shop to return it Athearn for corrective action. Denis |