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Re: DX21 and DX27S chorus effect

 

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If noone comes through faster, I can record a DX21 in ~8 hours.



On 17/06/2021 12:05, Martin Tarenskeen wrote:


Hi,

The DX21 and DX27s have a very basic Stereo Chorus effect with only one parameter: On/Off. I am looking for someone owning one of these keyboards, who can record a simple single note testtone - for example an INITVOICE with the Chorus switched on - and share a WAV or MP3 with me. I need it to try to find the most accurate speed/depth setting when converting this effect for use in my Reface DX Legacy Project. The V50 that I own myself has much more FX - but no chorus ...

BTW: Is the DX21 chorus identical to the DX27S chorus? Can someone tell from the schematics in the service manuals maybe?

Thanks for any info and help,

DX21 and DX27S chorus effect

 

Hi,

The DX21 and DX27s have a very basic Stereo Chorus effect with only one parameter: On/Off. I am looking for someone owning one of these keyboards, who can record a simple single note testtone - for example an INITVOICE with the Chorus switched on - and share a WAV or MP3 with me. I need it to try to find the most accurate speed/depth setting when converting this effect for use in my Reface DX Legacy Project. The V50 that I own myself has much more FX - but no chorus ...

BTW: Is the DX21 chorus identical to the DX27S chorus? Can someone tell from the schematics in the service manuals maybe?

Thanks for any info and help,

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MT
Re: The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

 

That?s? why? I hope for a 1HU MODX rack since Yammi came ut w/ the
keyboard versions.
Unfortunately, these keyboard actions aren?t the holy grail too.

Am 15.06.2021 um 22:25 schrieb Martin Tarenskeen:


On Tue, 15 Jun 2021, LarryS wrote:

Multi wave forms.? 8 (or more) operators.? Adaptable, even
dynamically assignable algorithms. ?Real time parameter changes.
Sounds like a Yamaha Montage or MODX to me.

MT

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Re: The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

 

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I always thought that Yamaha were on a tight budget in the mid 80s.? They had the FM synthesis licencing sewn up.??

The early FM machines like the GS1 and the DX1 you can tell that Yamaha spent money on the look, feel, and the electronic components.? You know.. decent power supplies and decent output stages and decent FM chips.

I still have a beaten up old DX9 and I swear to you that it has a better sounding engine than say a DX27 that was 2 years newer.

I have had two DX21 and there is a horrible aliasing that happens when you push the FM index too high.. it tends to repeat higher notes where it cannot cope with the computations.? The low end sounds are not as organic and deep as the DX9.? Although the DX21 does have 2 engines for dual detuned or just dual additive 4 note polyphony.? The DX9 is 16 note polyphonic.






Yes, TQ5/YS200/YS100 are 8 voice polyphonic.


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-------- Original message --------
From: Martin Tarenskeen <m.tarenskeen@...>
Date: 15/06/2021 23:09 (GMT+00:00)
To: [email protected], memtechlist@...
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

for synthaction keybed V50 has one of the best i've played. and i've tried many synths

to my knowledge V50 and B500 is the only 4op FM with 16 voices, quite unique! TQ5 ? no i think that was 8 voice right?



Den tisdag 15 juni 2021 21:05:39 CEST, John Ames <commodorejohn@...> skrev:


Yeah, that would've been killer, especially since the V50 keybed is
nothing to write home about. Ah well...

On 6/15/21, Nicole Massey <nyyki@...> wrote:
> I wish there was a V50 rack unit, but that was during the Rise of the
> Workstations, so module versions were less common.
>
> Sent from my HAL 9000 in transit to Jupiter
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Ames
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:33 PM
> To: [email protected]; vision1@...
> Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project
>
> For those who're interested, the V50 is essentially two TX81Zs in a
> keyboard, plus a cheap drum machine and some basic effects. They're still
> going for fairly bargain prices, too.
>
> And yeah, the TX81Z is underappreciated; not quite as classic as the DX7,
> but much more featureful than a lot of the 4-ops, and the additional
> waveforms and flexible layering open up a lot of sonic territory that the
> big DXen can't easily replicate.
>
> On 6/15/21, LarryS <vision1@...> wrote:
>> Certainly true.
>>
>> I am one of those fair-weather-FM users that had a TX81z and it never
>> went anywhere.? The presets were middling and nowhere could I find
>> super sounds at the time, so I ditched the thing because my exciting
>> life just didn’t have time to stare at a 2 line display.
>>
>> As I recall, I had gotten it because the TX-7 wasn’t rack mount and
>> the TX816… well, who could afford THAT?? Nothing in between.
>>
>> While I’m not up on every piece of hardware any longer, I’m still
>> quite the fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it
>> to the next level.? Multi wave forms.? 8 (or more) operators.
>> Adaptable, even dynamically assignable algorithms.? Real time
>> parameter changes.? Not especially tough in software with today’s
>> hardware, but I doubt we’ll ever see a Grand Old Keyboard made from it.
>>
>>
>>
>> L.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> but I could make an argument that if the FM community as a whole had
>> spent as much time programming the TX801z as the DX7, there might have
>> been a lot more surprises to enjoy.? I performed for over three years
>> with *nothing* but four -- yes, four -- TX81z modules in my rack.,
>> connected to a Roland
>> MKB-300
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -BW
>>
>> Bruce Wahler
>> Halfmoon-Switch.com?
>> bw@...
>>
>> 978.597.7008
>>
>>
>
>
Re: The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

 

Plus 8 noise operators.

Daniel Forró

On Jun 16, 2021, at 3:54, Nicole Massey <nyyki@...> wrote:

The FS1R was 8 operator, from what I'm told.

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of LarryS
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

Certainly true.

I am one of those fair-weather-FM users that had a TX81z and it never went anywhere. The presets were middling and nowhere could I find super sounds at the time, so I ditched the thing because my exciting life just didn’t have time to stare at a 2 line display.

As I recall, I had gotten it because the TX-7 wasn’t rack mount and the TX816… well, who could afford THAT? Nothing in between.

While I’m not up on every piece of hardware any longer, I’m still quite the fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it to the next level. Multi wave forms. 8 (or more) operators. Adaptable, even dynamically assignable algorithms. Real time parameter changes. Not especially tough in software with today’s hardware, but I doubt we’ll ever see a Grand Old Keyboard made from it.



L.





but I could make an argument that if the FM community as a whole had spent as much time programming the TX801z as the DX7, there might have been a lot more surprises to enjoy. I performed for over three years with *nothing* but four -- yes, four -- TX81z modules in my rack., connected to a Roland MKB-300



Regards,

-BW

Bruce Wahler
Halfmoon-Switch.com?
bw@... <mailto:bw@...>

978.597.7008
Re: The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

 

Kodamo EssenceFM is also interesting, but 6OP.

Daniel Forró

On Jun 16, 2021, at 5:25, Martin Tarenskeen <m.tarenskeen@...> wrote:



On Tue, 15 Jun 2021, LarryS wrote:

I’m still quite the fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it to the next level. Multi
wave forms. 8 (or more) operators. Adaptable, even dynamically assignable algorithms. Real time parameter changes.
Sounds like a Yamaha Montage or MODX to me.

MT
Re: The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

 

Yes, TQ5/YS200/YS100 are 8 voice polyphonic.


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for synthaction keybed V50 has one of the best i've played. and i've tried many synths

to my knowledge V50 and B500 is the only 4op FM with 16 voices, quite unique! TQ5 ? no i think that was 8 voice right?



Den tisdag 15 juni 2021 21:05:39 CEST, John Ames <commodorejohn@...> skrev:


Yeah, that would've been killer, especially since the V50 keybed is
nothing to write home about. Ah well...

On 6/15/21, Nicole Massey <nyyki@...> wrote:
> I wish there was a V50 rack unit, but that was during the Rise of the
> Workstations, so module versions were less common.
>
> Sent from my HAL 9000 in transit to Jupiter
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Ames
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:33 PM
> To: [email protected]; vision1@...
> Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project
>
> For those who're interested, the V50 is essentially two TX81Zs in a
> keyboard, plus a cheap drum machine and some basic effects. They're still
> going for fairly bargain prices, too.
>
> And yeah, the TX81Z is underappreciated; not quite as classic as the DX7,
> but much more featureful than a lot of the 4-ops, and the additional
> waveforms and flexible layering open up a lot of sonic territory that the
> big DXen can't easily replicate.
>
> On 6/15/21, LarryS <vision1@...> wrote:
>> Certainly true.
>>
>> I am one of those fair-weather-FM users that had a TX81z and it never
>> went anywhere.? The presets were middling and nowhere could I find
>> super sounds at the time, so I ditched the thing because my exciting
>> life just didn’t have time to stare at a 2 line display.
>>
>> As I recall, I had gotten it because the TX-7 wasn’t rack mount and
>> the TX816… well, who could afford THAT?? Nothing in between.
>>
>> While I’m not up on every piece of hardware any longer, I’m still
>> quite the fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it
>> to the next level.? Multi wave forms.? 8 (or more) operators.
>> Adaptable, even dynamically assignable algorithms.? Real time
>> parameter changes.? Not especially tough in software with today’s
>> hardware, but I doubt we’ll ever see a Grand Old Keyboard made from it.
>>
>>
>>
>> L.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> but I could make an argument that if the FM community as a whole had
>> spent as much time programming the TX801z as the DX7, there might have
>> been a lot more surprises to enjoy.? I performed for over three years
>> with *nothing* but four -- yes, four -- TX81z modules in my rack.,
>> connected to a Roland
>> MKB-300
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -BW
>>
>> Bruce Wahler
>> Halfmoon-Switch.com?
>> bw@...
>>
>> 978.597.7008
>>
>>
>
>
Re: The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

 

im not sure if we spoke about this here
before martin , but couldn't the
waveforms be transcribed if broken down
? mathematically waveforms are just
additive or subtractive so on the
remaining free 2 ops
we could combine any to create wave
shape ?

I know , not much more than a dream of
an ideal right now
but has anybody ever tried using a
square and a sine to make triangular
waveform on the dx?

read about useage of combining waveforms
in my cz or fz or vz manual

Charles
Re: The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

KW
 

for synthaction keybed V50 has one of the best i've played. and i've tried many synths

to my knowledge V50 and B500 is the only 4op FM with 16 voices, quite unique! TQ5 ? no i think that was 8 voice right?



Den tisdag 15 juni 2021 21:05:39 CEST, John Ames <commodorejohn@...> skrev:


Yeah, that would've been killer, especially since the V50 keybed is
nothing to write home about. Ah well...

On 6/15/21, Nicole Massey <nyyki@...> wrote:
> I wish there was a V50 rack unit, but that was during the Rise of the
> Workstations, so module versions were less common.
>
> Sent from my HAL 9000 in transit to Jupiter
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Ames
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:33 PM
> To: [email protected]; vision1@...
> Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project
>
> For those who're interested, the V50 is essentially two TX81Zs in a
> keyboard, plus a cheap drum machine and some basic effects. They're still
> going for fairly bargain prices, too.
>
> And yeah, the TX81Z is underappreciated; not quite as classic as the DX7,
> but much more featureful than a lot of the 4-ops, and the additional
> waveforms and flexible layering open up a lot of sonic territory that the
> big DXen can't easily replicate.
>
> On 6/15/21, LarryS <vision1@...> wrote:
>> Certainly true.
>>
>> I am one of those fair-weather-FM users that had a TX81z and it never
>> went anywhere.? The presets were middling and nowhere could I find
>> super sounds at the time, so I ditched the thing because my exciting
>> life just didn’t have time to stare at a 2 line display.
>>
>> As I recall, I had gotten it because the TX-7 wasn’t rack mount and
>> the TX816… well, who could afford THAT?? Nothing in between.
>>
>> While I’m not up on every piece of hardware any longer, I’m still
>> quite the fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it
>> to the next level.? Multi wave forms.? 8 (or more) operators.
>> Adaptable, even dynamically assignable algorithms.? Real time
>> parameter changes.? Not especially tough in software with today’s
>> hardware, but I doubt we’ll ever see a Grand Old Keyboard made from it.
>>
>>
>>
>> L.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> but I could make an argument that if the FM community as a whole had
>> spent as much time programming the TX801z as the DX7, there might have
>> been a lot more surprises to enjoy.? I performed for over three years
>> with *nothing* but four -- yes, four -- TX81z modules in my rack.,
>> connected to a Roland
>> MKB-300
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -BW
>>
>> Bruce Wahler
>> Halfmoon-Switch.com?
>> bw@...
>>
>> 978.597.7008
>>
>>
>
>
Re: The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

 

On Tue, 15 Jun 2021, Nicole Massey wrote:

The FS1R was 8 operator, from what I'm told.
Yes it is. But hard to get.

And my FVX-1 has 8 operators. It's nearly impossible to get: I am not selling mine :-)

The FM-X engine in the MODX and Montage is also 8-operator.

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MT
Re: The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

 

On Tue, 15 Jun 2021, LarryS wrote:

I’m still quite the fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it to the next level.? Multi
wave forms.? 8 (or more) operators.? Adaptable, even dynamically assignable algorithms. ?Real time parameter changes.
Sounds like a Yamaha Montage or MODX to me.

MT
Re: The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

Bruce Wahler
 

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Agreed.? If there was an "V50R," I'd be on eBay right now!? :)

Regards,

-BW

Bruce Wahler
Halfmoon-Switch.com?
bw@...

978.597.7008

PLEASE NOTE: ?The AshbySolutions.com domain will be closed soon. ?Please use the new (wahler.us) email for all future correspondence. ?Thank you for your understanding.
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On 6/15/2021 2:55 PM, Nicole Massey wrote:

I wish there was a V50 rack unit, but that was during the Rise of the Workstations, so module versions were less common.

Sent from my HAL 9000 in transit to Jupiter


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Ames
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:33 PM
To: [email protected]; vision1@...
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

For those who're interested, the V50 is essentially two TX81Zs in a keyboard, plus a cheap drum machine and some basic effects. They're still going for fairly bargain prices, too.

And yeah, the TX81Z is underappreciated; not quite as classic as the DX7, but much more featureful than a lot of the 4-ops, and the additional waveforms and flexible layering open up a lot of sonic territory that the big DXen can't easily replicate.

On 6/15/21, LarryS <vision1@...> wrote:

Certainly true.

I am one of those fair-weather-FM users that had a TX81z and it never 
went anywhere.  The presets were middling and nowhere could I find 
super sounds at the time, so I ditched the thing because my exciting 
life just didn’t have time to stare at a 2 line display.

As I recall, I had gotten it because the TX-7 wasn’t rack mount and 
the TX816… well, who could afford THAT?  Nothing in between.

While I’m not up on every piece of hardware any longer, I’m still 
quite the fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it 
to the next level.  Multi wave forms.  8 (or more) operators.  
Adaptable, even dynamically assignable algorithms.  Real time 
parameter changes.  Not especially tough in software with today’s 
hardware, but I doubt we’ll ever see a Grand Old Keyboard made from it.



L.





but I could make an argument that if the FM community as a whole had 
spent as much time programming the TX801z as the DX7, there might have 
been a lot more surprises to enjoy.  I performed for over three years 
with *nothing* but four -- yes, four -- TX81z modules in my rack., 
connected to a Roland
MKB-300



Regards,

-BW

Bruce Wahler
Halfmoon-Switch.com?
bw@...

978.597.7008




      

      
      




    

    

  


					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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Yeah, that would've been killer, especially since the V50 keybed is
nothing to write home about. Ah well...

				
					
					

					


On 6/15/21, Nicole Massey <nyyki@...> wrote:
I wish there was a V50 rack unit, but that was during the Rise of the
Workstations, so module versions were less common.

Sent from my HAL 9000 in transit to Jupiter


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Ames
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:33 PM
To: [email protected]; vision1@...
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

For those who're interested, the V50 is essentially two TX81Zs in a
keyboard, plus a cheap drum machine and some basic effects. They're still
going for fairly bargain prices, too.

And yeah, the TX81Z is underappreciated; not quite as classic as the DX7,
but much more featureful than a lot of the 4-ops, and the additional
waveforms and flexible layering open up a lot of sonic territory that the
big DXen can't easily replicate.

On 6/15/21, LarryS <vision1@...> wrote:
Certainly true.

I am one of those fair-weather-FM users that had a TX81z and it never
went anywhere.  The presets were middling and nowhere could I find
super sounds at the time, so I ditched the thing because my exciting
life just didn’t have time to stare at a 2 line display.

As I recall, I had gotten it because the TX-7 wasn’t rack mount and
the TX816… well, who could afford THAT?  Nothing in between.

While I’m not up on every piece of hardware any longer, I’m still
quite the fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it
to the next level.  Multi wave forms.  8 (or more) operators.
Adaptable, even dynamically assignable algorithms.  Real time
parameter changes.  Not especially tough in software with today’s
hardware, but I doubt we’ll ever see a Grand Old Keyboard made from it.



L.





but I could make an argument that if the FM community as a whole had
spent as much time programming the TX801z as the DX7, there might have
been a lot more surprises to enjoy.  I performed for over three years
with *nothing* but four -- yes, four -- TX81z modules in my rack.,
connected to a Roland
MKB-300



Regards,

-BW

Bruce Wahler
Halfmoon-Switch.com?
bw@...

978.597.7008


					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

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I wish there was a V50 rack unit, but that was during the Rise of the Workstations, so module versions were less common.

Sent from my HAL 9000 in transit to Jupiter

				
					
					

					


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Ames
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:33 PM
To: [email protected]; vision1@...
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

For those who're interested, the V50 is essentially two TX81Zs in a keyboard, plus a cheap drum machine and some basic effects. They're still going for fairly bargain prices, too.

And yeah, the TX81Z is underappreciated; not quite as classic as the DX7, but much more featureful than a lot of the 4-ops, and the additional waveforms and flexible layering open up a lot of sonic territory that the big DXen can't easily replicate.

On 6/15/21, LarryS <vision1@...> wrote:
Certainly true.

I am one of those fair-weather-FM users that had a TX81z and it never 
went anywhere.  The presets were middling and nowhere could I find 
super sounds at the time, so I ditched the thing because my exciting 
life just didn’t have time to stare at a 2 line display.

As I recall, I had gotten it because the TX-7 wasn’t rack mount and 
the TX816… well, who could afford THAT?  Nothing in between.

While I’m not up on every piece of hardware any longer, I’m still 
quite the fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it 
to the next level.  Multi wave forms.  8 (or more) operators.  
Adaptable, even dynamically assignable algorithms.  Real time 
parameter changes.  Not especially tough in software with today’s 
hardware, but I doubt we’ll ever see a Grand Old Keyboard made from it.



L.





but I could make an argument that if the FM community as a whole had 
spent as much time programming the TX801z as the DX7, there might have 
been a lot more surprises to enjoy.  I performed for over three years 
with *nothing* but four -- yes, four -- TX81z modules in my rack., 
connected to a Roland
MKB-300



Regards,

-BW

Bruce Wahler
Halfmoon-Switch.com?
bw@...

978.597.7008


					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

							Re: The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project
							
						
					

				

				

			
			

				

					


						
							

								
								
							

						
					

					

						
							


						
						 
						
							
							
						
						
					

				

			

			

			

				
The FS1R was 8 operator, from what I'm told.

Sent from my HAL 9000 in transit to Jupiter

				
					
					

					


-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of LarryS
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 1:22 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

Certainly true.

I am one of those fair-weather-FM users that had a TX81z and it never went anywhere.  The presets were middling and nowhere could I find super sounds at the time, so I ditched the thing because my exciting life just didn’t have time to stare at a 2 line display.

As I recall, I had gotten it because the TX-7 wasn’t rack mount and the TX816… well, who could afford THAT?  Nothing in between.

While I’m not up on every piece of hardware any longer, I’m still quite the fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it to the next level.  Multi wave forms.  8 (or more) operators.  Adaptable, even dynamically assignable algorithms.  Real time parameter changes.  Not especially tough in software with today’s hardware, but I doubt we’ll ever see a Grand Old Keyboard made from it.

 

L.

 

 

but I could make an argument that if the FM community as a whole had spent as much time programming the TX801z as the DX7, there might have been a lot more surprises to enjoy.  I performed for over three years with *nothing* but four -- yes, four -- TX81z modules in my rack., connected to a Roland MKB-300

 

Regards,

-BW

Bruce Wahler
Halfmoon-Switch.com?
bw@... <mailto:bw@...> 

978.597.7008

					


				
				
				
			

			
			

	

	
			

			

				
					

				
				
			

			

				

					

				

			

			
			
			

			


				
	



		
			
		
			
				
	
		
	

		
			

			
			

			
			
				
				

					

						
							
							

							Re: The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project
							
						
					

				

				

			
			

				

					


						
							

								
								
							

						
					

					

						
							


						
						 
						
							
							
						
						
					

				

			

			

			

				
For those who're interested, the V50 is essentially two TX81Zs in a
keyboard, plus a cheap drum machine and some basic effects. They're
still going for fairly bargain prices, too.

And yeah, the TX81Z is underappreciated; not quite as classic as the
DX7, but much more featureful than a lot of the 4-ops, and the
additional waveforms and flexible layering open up a lot of sonic
territory that the big DXen can't easily replicate.

				
					
					

					


On 6/15/21, LarryS <vision1@...> wrote:
Certainly true.

I am one of those fair-weather-FM users that had a TX81z and it never went
anywhere.  The presets were middling and nowhere could I find super sounds
at the time, so I ditched the thing because my exciting life just didn’t
have time to stare at a 2 line display.

As I recall, I had gotten it because the TX-7 wasn’t rack mount and the
TX816… well, who could afford THAT?  Nothing in between.

While I’m not up on every piece of hardware any longer, I’m still quite the
fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it to the next
level.  Multi wave forms.  8 (or more) operators.  Adaptable, even
dynamically assignable algorithms.  Real time parameter changes.  Not
especially tough in software with today’s hardware, but I doubt we’ll ever
see a Grand Old Keyboard made from it.



L.





but I could make an argument that if the FM community as a whole had spent
as much time programming the TX801z as the DX7, there might have been a lot
more surprises to enjoy.  I performed for over three years with *nothing*
but four -- yes, four -- TX81z modules in my rack., connected to a Roland
MKB-300



Regards,

-BW

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Certainly true.
I am one of those fair-weather-FM users that had a TX81z and it never went anywhere.? The presets were middling and nowhere could I find super sounds at the time, so I ditched the thing because my exciting life just didn’t have time to stare at a 2 line display.
As I recall, I had gotten it because the TX-7 wasn’t rack mount and the TX816… well, who could afford THAT?? Nothing in between.
While I’m not up on every piece of hardware any longer, I’m still quite the fanboy of FM and would very much love to see someone take it to the next level.? Multi wave forms.? 8 (or more) operators.? Adaptable, even dynamically assignable algorithms. ?Real time parameter changes. ?Not especially tough in software with today’s hardware, but I doubt we’ll ever see a Grand Old Keyboard made from it.
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but I could make an argument that if the FM community as a whole had spent as much time programming the TX801z as the DX7, there might have been a lot more surprises to enjoy.? I performed for over three years with *nothing* but four -- yes, four -- TX81z modules in my rack., connected to a Roland MKB-300
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    The TX81z Owner's Manual has a section (Waveform Harmonic Content,
    Pg. 50) that shows the eight waveforms and their harmonics.? Some of
    them have a high degree of 2nd-5th harmonic energy, and are roughly
    equivalent to modulating a sine operator with 2-4 others on the
    DX7.? Some of them also make interesting sounds on their own, with
    limited or no additional modulation; or combined together with
    slight detuning, to simulate an analog synth with multiple
    oscillators.

    

    The end results aren't quite the same, but I could make an argument
    that if the FM community as a whole had spent as much time
    programming the TX801z as the DX7, there might have been a lot more
    surprises to enjoy.? I performed for over three years with *nothing*
    but four -- yes, four -- TX81z modules in my rack., connected to a
    Roland MKB-300.? I used them for piano, EP, Clavinet, acoustic
    guitar, strings, organ, you name it.? In 2021 terms, the end results
    varied quite a bit -- some were quite realistic; others, less so --
    but I could make the same critique of a DX5, DX7II, or TX802 vs.
    available modern gear.

    

    

      
      
        Regards,

        

        -BW

        

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If you can find the ad that ran for the TX81Z on the back of Keyboard magazine it had them pictured. One of them looked like two sine waves in phase with the frequency in one of them doubled, IIRC.

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Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

Which additional waveforms are we talking about ?
I never owned a TX81Z,- just only DX7 which I sold,- DX7mkIIFD, TX816 and TG77 ...

Do we find the missing waveforms in SY&TG 77 and SY99 ROM ???
Were these single cycle samples or pre-programmed waveform-templates (like saw, square & trianagle) in ROM ?

I can imagine re-constructing patches in a TG77 when there were some info about add. waveform levels in given TX81Z patches.
The TG77?s filter and lo-fi FX come in addition ...

Am 15.06.2021 um 16:24 schrieb Daniel Forró via groups.io:


      

        
I think it wouldn’t be easy to get from the pair of operators a timbre 
missing in the total sound of the patch. But maybe additional tweaking 
of the other four operators in algorithm structure simulating 4OP 
patch, in conjunction with those two operators can make it…

I'm now meditating about the other interesting challenge - to imitate 
6OP sounds on 4OP synth, at least on those able to layer two patches… 
:-) It would be difficult if not impossible to approximate non 
existing algorithms and key scaling, different envelopes…

Daniel Forró




      

      

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If you can find the ad that ran for the TX81Z on the back of Keyboard magazine it had them pictured. One of them looked like two sine waves in phase with the frequency in one of them doubled, IIRC.

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of PeWe
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 9:53 AM
To: [email protected]; danforcz@...
Subject: Re: [YamahaDX] The 4OP to DX7 Conversion Project

Which additional waveforms are we talking about ?
I never owned a TX81Z,- just only DX7 which I sold,- DX7mkIIFD, TX816 and TG77 ...

Do we find the missing waveforms in SY&TG 77 and SY99 ROM ???
Were these single cycle samples or pre-programmed waveform-templates (like saw, square & trianagle) in ROM ?

I can imagine re-constructing patches in a TG77 when there were some info about add. waveform levels in given TX81Z patches.
The TG77?s filter and lo-fi FX come in addition ...

Am 15.06.2021 um 16:24 schrieb Daniel Forró via groups.io:
I think it wouldn’t be easy to get from the pair of operators a timbre 
missing in the total sound of the patch. But maybe additional tweaking 
of the other four operators in algorithm structure simulating 4OP 
patch, in conjunction with those two operators can make it…

I'm now meditating about the other interesting challenge - to imitate 
6OP sounds on 4OP synth, at least on those able to layer two patches… 
:-) It would be difficult if not impossible to approximate non 
existing algorithms and key scaling, different envelopes…

Daniel Forró


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Which additional waveforms are we talking about ?
I never owned a TX81Z,- just only DX7 which I sold,- DX7mkIIFD, TX816
and TG77 ...

Do we find the missing waveforms in SY&TG 77 and SY99 ROM ???
Were these single cycle samples or pre-programmed waveform-templates
(like saw, square & trianagle) in ROM ?

I can imagine re-constructing patches in a TG77 when there were some
info about add. waveform levels in given TX81Z patches.
The TG77?s filter and lo-fi FX come in addition ...

Am 15.06.2021 um 16:24 schrieb Daniel Forró via groups.io:
I think it wouldn’t be easy to get from the pair of operators a timbre missing in the total sound of the patch. But maybe additional tweaking of the other four operators in algorithm structure simulating 4OP patch, in conjunction with those two operators can make it…

I'm now meditating about the other interesting challenge - to imitate 6OP sounds on 4OP synth, at least on those able to layer two patches… :-) It would be difficult if not impossible to approximate non existing algorithms and key scaling, different envelopes…

Daniel Forró


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