Should I install a shunt coil onto a 102" whip feed point? (This would be between the whip base and FC-40.) 73, Damon
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Re: extending tuner control cables
To remote my FC-40 I use Ethernet cables
with DIN to RJ adapters. I bought the male and female DIN connectors with short
pigtails from W4RT and the Ethernet cables and connectors from Home Depot. The
RJ connectors come in a small plastic box for surface mounting on a wall, like
the old wired phone jacks. I just ran the DIN connector wires to the screw
terminals in the RJ connector boxes.
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I have used two 100’ cables with a
double female RJ connector between them and it worked great at 200’ total
length. Just watch out for all the swapping of wires in Ethernet cables –
it’s been too long since I built mine and I don’t remember if the
wires cross.
?
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73,
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Charles
WA5VHU / YI9VHU
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I want to purchase a fc40 but need to locate it 30-40
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extending tuner control cables
I want to purchase a fc40 but need to locate it 30-40 feet away from the shack outside. What are you guys using to extend the 15 meter long cables?
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Re: Alternatives to the FC-40
i have a fc1000 ... it is almost like the fc40 ....
i had some spare room in it to put a 1:4 balun in
now i have a ladderline output on it (switchable)
it tunes dipoles and loops very easy
just my 2 cents
dg9bfc
sigi
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Subject: [YaesuTuner] Re: Alternatives to
the FC-40
I agree with this. I've got an FC-40 and it will tune a loop just fine.
Actually, when I tested it, it tuned a full wave 80 meter loop on all bands 80
and above.
WN9E
--- In YaesuTuner@yahoogroups.com,
"w6gq@..." wrote: > > The FC-40 will tune a loop,
I made a 160 meter loop for field day and it worked just fine > >
> --- In YaesuTuner@yahoogroups.com,
raimo ilkka wrote: > > > > How you can be
sure that FC40 does not tune loops ? > > Is there something different
than Icom products like > > AH4 , AH3 etc. They can tune loops very
well. > > I have AH3 and FC40, I have done some loop testings with
AH3, > > not yet with FC40. Goeing to do that. > > >
> 73s de rami, oh6bi > > > > > > --- On Wed,
10/12/08, Zack wrote: > > > > > From:
Zack > > > Subject: [YaesuTuner] Alternatives to
the FC-40 > > > To: YaesuTuner@yahoogroups.com >
> > Date: Wednesday, 10 December, 2008, 7:51 PM > > > There
are alternatives to the FC-40 tuner. I have a huge > > > loop with
an > > > apex around 75 feet up in a tree. My SG-239 will tune
all > > > frequencies > > > from 160-10 meters. It
has operated flawlessly at my QTH > > > with temps > >
> ranging from 10F-95F. The SG-239 is mounted about 75 feet > >
> from my rig > > > and is fed with Davis Buryflex
coax. > > > > > > You may want to take a look at the
SG-239 from SGC. > > >
> > > Lets look at a few reasons why you may want one. >
> > > > > 1 It will tune a long wire with radials and
loops. The > > > FC-40 will not > > > tune a loop.
> > > > > > 2 The SG-239 does not need a control
line for the rig but > > > the FC-40 > > > does. This
makes installation much easier. I bought some > > > buryable
> > > wire for 120 volts (but carries 12v for the tuner) and
ran > > > it out to > > > my tuner which is in a
waterproof electrical box that I got > > > on ebay > >
> for $15.00. SGC makes a device that lets you run DC over > >
> the coax > > > going to the tuner. It costs $160 so that is
why I went > > > with the > > > buryable wire for
DC. > > > > > > 2 It costs $195.99 from AES and the
FC-40 costs $250.00. > > > > > > 4 The only
disadvantages to the SG-239 is that it needs to > > > be put in
> > > a waterproof box. And it will not tune 6 meters. >
> > > > > 5 It will handle 80 watts for 100% duty cycle (CW
& > > > RTTY) but the FC- > > > 40 will do 100.
Not really a very big difference for the > > > guy at the >
> > other end of you signal. > > > > > >
> > > For a real sweet antenna you could install one of these
and > > > put the > > > SG-239 at the base of it and
get coverage from 160-10 > > > meters. > > > >
> > My bet is that it would outperform any vertical from GAP, >
> > Cushcraft > > > or the like. Having a tuner at the base
of the antenna > > > makes it a lot > > > more
efficient. > > > > > > BTW, there is a Yahoo group
devoted to the line of SGC > > > tuners. I have > > >
photos there of an SG-237 installation but it now has a > > >
SG-239 in it. > > > >
> > > > > Zack > > > N8FNR > > >
> > > > > >
_______________________________________________________ >
> > Here are the SG-239 specs. > > > > > > HF
Frequency Range: 1.8-30 MHz > > > Power Input Range: 1.5-200 watts
(PEP) > > > Or CW duty cycle 40% > > > Number of
channels: unlimited > > > Revolving memory bins: 165 TX; 5
RX > > > Input Impedance Range: .2-5000 ohms > > >
VSWR: (Typical) Typically less than 2:1 > > > DC Input
Requirement: +13.8 VDC (nominal) > > > DC Operating Range: +10 to
18.5 VDC > > > Input Current: Average: 230 milliamps > >
> Random set time: Typical: less than 2 seconds > > > Recurrent
set time: Typical: less than 10 milliseconds > > > Antenna Length:
Minimum length of 9 ft. - 7 to 30 MHz > > > Minimum length of 40
ft.-3 to 30 MHz > > > Minimum length of 100 ft. - 1.8-30
MHz > > > Installation: Any position > > > Operating
Temperature: -35° to +70°C > > > Size: 7.5"L x 6"W x
1.85"H > > > (19cm x 15cm x 4.5cm) > > > Weight: 2
pounds > > > Case Construction: Irradiated aluminum case >
> > Control Cable Standard coaxial and 2 wires for DC plus 2 >
> > (not supplied) wires for optional SmartLock gauge 14-18 > >
> Antenna types: 1. Whip > > > 2. Backstay (marine,
sail) > > > 3. Dipole centerfed > > > 4. Dipole with
feedline > > > 5. Loop (small) 2x2 multi turn > > > 6.
Loop (large) 10 ft. and up single turn > > > 7. Longwire >
> > 8. Ladder feed > > > > > > > >
> > > >
------------------------------------ > > > >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: Alternatives to the FC-40
I agree with this. I've got an FC-40 and it will tune a loop just fine. Actually, when I tested it, it tuned a full wave 80 meter loop on all bands 80 and above.
WN9E
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--- In YaesuTuner@..., raimo ilkka <oh6bi@> wrote:
How you can be sure that FC40 does not tune loops ? Is there something different than Icom products like AH4 , AH3 etc. They can tune loops very well. I have AH3 and FC40, I have done some loop testings with AH3, not yet with FC40. Goeing to do that.
73s de rami, oh6bi
--- On Wed, 10/12/08, Zack <vtnn43e@> wrote:
From: Zack <vtnn43e@> Subject: [YaesuTuner] Alternatives to the FC-40 To: YaesuTuner@... Date: Wednesday, 10 December, 2008, 7:51 PM There are alternatives to the FC-40 tuner. I have a huge loop with an apex around 75 feet up in a tree. My SG-239 will tune all frequencies from 160-10 meters. It has operated flawlessly at my QTH with temps ranging from 10F-95F. The SG-239 is mounted about 75 feet from my rig and is fed with Davis Buryflex coax.
You may want to take a look at the SG-239 from SGC. Lets look at a few reasons why you may want one.
1 It will tune a long wire with radials and loops. The FC-40 will not tune a loop.
2 The SG-239 does not need a control line for the rig but the FC-40 does. This makes installation much easier. I bought some buryable wire for 120 volts (but carries 12v for the tuner) and ran it out to my tuner which is in a waterproof electrical box that I got on ebay for $15.00. SGC makes a device that lets you run DC over the coax going to the tuner. It costs $160 so that is why I went with the buryable wire for DC.
2 It costs $195.99 from AES and the FC-40 costs $250.00.
4 The only disadvantages to the SG-239 is that it needs to be put in a waterproof box. And it will not tune 6 meters.
5 It will handle 80 watts for 100% duty cycle (CW & RTTY) but the FC- 40 will do 100. Not really a very big difference for the guy at the other end of you signal.
For a real sweet antenna you could install one of these and put the SG-239 at the base of it and get coverage from 160-10 meters.
My bet is that it would outperform any vertical from GAP, Cushcraft or the like. Having a tuner at the base of the antenna makes it a lot more efficient.
BTW, there is a Yahoo group devoted to the line of SGC tuners. I have photos there of an SG-237 installation but it now has a SG-239 in it. ;
Zack N8FNR
_______________________________________________________ Here are the SG-239 specs.
HF Frequency Range: 1.8-30 MHz Power Input Range: 1.5-200 watts (PEP) Or CW duty cycle 40% Number of channels: unlimited Revolving memory bins: 165 TX; 5 RX Input Impedance Range: .2-5000 ohms VSWR: (Typical) Typically less than 2:1 DC Input Requirement: +13.8 VDC (nominal) DC Operating Range: +10 to 18.5 VDC Input Current: Average: 230 milliamps Random set time: Typical: less than 2 seconds Recurrent set time: Typical: less than 10 milliseconds Antenna Length: Minimum length of 9 ft. - 7 to 30 MHz Minimum length of 40 ft.-3 to 30 MHz Minimum length of 100 ft. - 1.8-30 MHz Installation: Any position Operating Temperature: -35° to +70°C Size: 7.5"L x 6"W x 1.85"H (19cm x 15cm x 4.5cm) Weight: 2 pounds Case Construction: Irradiated aluminum case Control Cable Standard coaxial and 2 wires for DC plus 2 (not supplied) wires for optional SmartLock gauge 14-18 Antenna types: 1. Whip 2. Backstay (marine, sail) 3. Dipole centerfed 4. Dipole with feedline 5. Loop (small) 2x2 multi turn 6. Loop (large) 10 ft. and up single turn 7. Longwire 8. Ladder feed
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Re: Alternatives to the FC-40
The FC-40 will tune a loop, I made a 160 meter loop for field day and it worked just fine
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73s de rami, oh6bi
--- On Wed, 10/12/08, Zack <vtnn43e@...> wrote:
From: Zack <vtnn43e@...> Subject: [YaesuTuner] Alternatives to the FC-40 To: YaesuTuner@... Date: Wednesday, 10 December, 2008, 7:51 PM There are alternatives to the FC-40 tuner. I have a huge loop with an apex around 75 feet up in a tree. My SG-239 will tune all frequencies from 160-10 meters. It has operated flawlessly at my QTH with temps ranging from 10F-95F. The SG-239 is mounted about 75 feet from my rig and is fed with Davis Buryflex coax.
You may want to take a look at the SG-239 from SGC.
Lets look at a few reasons why you may want one.
1 It will tune a long wire with radials and loops. The FC-40 will not tune a loop.
2 The SG-239 does not need a control line for the rig but the FC-40 does. This makes installation much easier. I bought some buryable wire for 120 volts (but carries 12v for the tuner) and ran it out to my tuner which is in a waterproof electrical box that I got on ebay for $15.00. SGC makes a device that lets you run DC over the coax going to the tuner. It costs $160 so that is why I went with the buryable wire for DC.
2 It costs $195.99 from AES and the FC-40 costs $250.00.
4 The only disadvantages to the SG-239 is that it needs to be put in a waterproof box. And it will not tune 6 meters.
5 It will handle 80 watts for 100% duty cycle (CW & RTTY) but the FC- 40 will do 100. Not really a very big difference for the guy at the other end of you signal.
For a real sweet antenna you could install one of these and put the SG-239 at the base of it and get coverage from 160-10 meters.
My bet is that it would outperform any vertical from GAP, Cushcraft or the like. Having a tuner at the base of the antenna makes it a lot more efficient.
BTW, there is a Yahoo group devoted to the line of SGC tuners. I have photos there of an SG-237 installation but it now has a SG-239 in it. ;
Zack N8FNR
_______________________________________________________ Here are the SG-239 specs.
HF Frequency Range: 1.8-30 MHz Power Input Range: 1.5-200 watts (PEP) Or CW duty cycle 40% Number of channels: unlimited Revolving memory bins: 165 TX; 5 RX Input Impedance Range: .2-5000 ohms VSWR: (Typical) Typically less than 2:1 DC Input Requirement: +13.8 VDC (nominal) DC Operating Range: +10 to 18.5 VDC Input Current: Average: 230 milliamps Random set time: Typical: less than 2 seconds Recurrent set time: Typical: less than 10 milliseconds Antenna Length: Minimum length of 9 ft. - 7 to 30 MHz Minimum length of 40 ft.-3 to 30 MHz Minimum length of 100 ft. - 1.8-30 MHz Installation: Any position Operating Temperature: -35° to +70°C Size: 7.5"L x 6"W x 1.85"H (19cm x 15cm x 4.5cm) Weight: 2 pounds Case Construction: Irradiated aluminum case Control Cable Standard coaxial and 2 wires for DC plus 2 (not supplied) wires for optional SmartLock gauge 14-18 Antenna types: 1. Whip 2. Backstay (marine, sail) 3. Dipole centerfed 4. Dipole with feedline 5. Loop (small) 2x2 multi turn 6. Loop (large) 10 ft. and up single turn 7. Longwire 8. Ladder feed
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Does anyone know if a Yaesu FC40 will work with Yaesu FT 847 without a lot of rewiring? Thanks, Jon - KA9LDS
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How you can be sure that FC40 does not tune loops ? Is there something different than Icom products like AH4 , AH3 etc. They can tune loops very well. I have AH3 and FC40, I have done some loop testings with AH3, not yet with FC40. Goeing to do that.
73s de rami, oh6bi
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--- On Wed, 10/12/08, Zack <vtnn43e@...> wrote: From: Zack <vtnn43e@...> Subject: [YaesuTuner] Alternatives to the FC-40 To: YaesuTuner@... Date: Wednesday, 10 December, 2008, 7:51 PM There are alternatives to the FC-40 tuner. I have a huge loop with an apex around 75 feet up in a tree. My SG-239 will tune all frequencies from 160-10 meters. It has operated flawlessly at my QTH with temps ranging from 10F-95F. The SG-239 is mounted about 75 feet from my rig and is fed with Davis Buryflex coax.
You may want to take a look at the SG-239 from SGC.
Lets look at a few reasons why you may want one.
1 It will tune a long wire with radials and loops. The FC-40 will not tune a loop.
2 The SG-239 does not need a control line for the rig but the FC-40 does. This makes installation much easier. I bought some buryable wire for 120 volts (but carries 12v for the tuner) and ran it out to my tuner which is in a waterproof electrical box that I got on ebay for $15.00. SGC makes a device that lets you run DC over the coax going to the tuner. It costs $160 so that is why I went with the buryable wire for DC.
2 It costs $195.99 from AES and the FC-40 costs $250.00.
4 The only disadvantages to the SG-239 is that it needs to be put in a waterproof box. And it will not tune 6 meters.
5 It will handle 80 watts for 100% duty cycle (CW & RTTY) but the FC- 40 will do 100. Not really a very big difference for the guy at the other end of you signal.
For a real sweet antenna you could install one of these and put the SG-239 at the base of it and get coverage from 160-10 meters.
My bet is that it would outperform any vertical from GAP, Cushcraft or the like. Having a tuner at the base of the antenna makes it a lot more efficient.
BTW, there is a Yahoo group devoted to the line of SGC tuners. I have photos there of an SG-237 installation but it now has a SG-239 in it. ;
Zack N8FNR
_______________________________________________________ Here are the SG-239 specs.
HF Frequency Range: 1.8-30 MHz Power Input Range: 1.5-200 watts (PEP) Or CW duty cycle 40% Number of channels: unlimited Revolving memory bins: 165 TX; 5 RX Input Impedance Range: .2-5000 ohms VSWR: (Typical) Typically less than 2:1 DC Input Requirement: +13.8 VDC (nominal) DC Operating Range: +10 to 18.5 VDC Input Current: Average: 230 milliamps Random set time: Typical: less than 2 seconds Recurrent set time: Typical: less than 10 milliseconds Antenna Length: Minimum length of 9 ft. - 7 to 30 MHz Minimum length of 40 ft.-3 to 30 MHz Minimum length of 100 ft. - 1.8-30 MHz Installation: Any position Operating Temperature: -35° to +70°C Size: 7.5"L x 6"W x 1.85"H (19cm x 15cm x 4.5cm) Weight: 2 pounds Case Construction: Irradiated aluminum case Control Cable Standard coaxial and 2 wires for DC plus 2 (not supplied) wires for optional SmartLock gauge 14-18 Antenna types: 1. Whip 2. Backstay (marine, sail) 3. Dipole centerfed 4. Dipole with feedline 5. Loop (small) 2x2 multi turn 6. Loop (large) 10 ft. and up single turn 7. Longwire 8. Ladder feed
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Extra dip switches and RS-232 port
Does anyone have any information on the functions of the extra dip switches inside the FC-40. I know about the memory reset but the others must have some fuction. My attempt at a google search yielded nothing. I also noticed the RS-232 port which must be to monitor and issue commands to the microprocessor. Anyone experimented with this?
73
JR
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Re: Coax and output wire size + 80 meters
Well I believe I have the inadequate ground issue solved. I brought home a 7' solid steel 7/8 rod and drove it into the ground below the tuner. I felt like I was "working on the railroad". I connected it to the tuner with 11/16 welder ground wire. I am still experiencing the same issues + now since abandoning the rebar ground I have lost any band below 20 meters. I will try counterpoises but in the mean time decided to throw a wire up into one of my trees. The length of this wire is 44'. I can tune 80, 75, 60, 20, up to 6 meters. I have lost 40 and 160 meters. I will keep trying, I am sure I will eventually find a happy medium! Thanks All.
JR
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Re: Coax and output wire size + 80 meters
The suggestion for salt water was not a reference to what a sea water ground can do. It was a suggestion to improve the two existing grounds by doing something easy. Very often regardless of how good the station counterpoises were, not much radio comms happened until the gnd rods got pissed on. But as the gnds here are in a crawl space I figured there might be smell issues (wives hate that kind of thing)?with that method so suggested the road salt instead .. which usually has other minerals in it too. ? Happy new year all. ? 73 JD VA7BTL?
wb0m wrote:
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--- In YaesuTuner@yahoogroups.com, JD Baillie wrote: >>> The tuner (coupler) should not need a counterpoise just a good ground. That's why it is called a random wire length tuner. The tuner should also be length insensitive (to a point - it won't tune a loop). '73, JD, VA7BTL<<< That is true about the ground. A counterpoise, however, will help in antenna efficiency (an antenna in seawater is a whole different story). This is also mentioned in SGC's own website "". And, while the coupler (and all similar auto couplers) SHOULD be "length insensitive" , they are not. That's why it JR should try
adding or subtracting the length. BTW, the FC-40 and others will tune loops. I'm using a 205' hybrid delta loop right now with my AH-4 coupler (with no ground rod). 73, Jeff/wb0m
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--- In YaesuTuner@..., JD Baillie <tisvcs@...> wrote: The tuner (coupler) should not need a counterpoise just a good
ground. That's why it is called a random wire length tuner. The tuner should also be length insensitive (to a point - it won't tune a loop). '73, JD, VA7BTL<<< That is true about the ground. A counterpoise, however, will help in antenna efficiency (an antenna in seawater is a whole different story). This is also mentioned in SGC's own website ". And, while the coupler (and all similar auto couplers) SHOULD be "length insensitive", they are not. That's why it JR should try adding or subtracting the length. BTW, the FC-40 and others will tune loops. I'm using a 205' hybrid delta loop right now with my AH-4 coupler (with no ground rod). 73, Jeff/wb0m
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Re: Coax and output wire size + 80 meters
The tuner?(coupler)?should not need a counterpoise just? a good ground. That's why it is called a random wire length tuner.? The tuner should also be length insensitive (to a point - it won't tune a loop).? Before going to all this fuss with changing wire lengths and counterpoises... try pourning about 1 gallon of water mixed with as much road salt as will disolve into the water?onto both ground rods. Disconnect the rods from?gnd strap?before doing this just?to be safest.?? ? I have one of these FC40's and I'm not too impressed with it so far compared to the SG230. ? '73 JD VA7BTL
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I thought the rebar was to far from > the tuner so I drove a 5 foot chunk of copper pipe into the ground > right below the tuner. Testing afterward showed that I could only > tune 20 meters through 6 meters. I am baffled by this. Clearly the > copper tube and shorter ground wire should function better that the > rebar and 15 feet of wire or is the long ground wire to the rebar > acting like a counterpoise?
You have a good ground now, but a counterpoise is also needed. Add as much wire as possible in the crawl space, but a couple of wire as far apart as possible as long as possible in all directions of possible (check a counterpoise diagram for any vertical antenna and you'll get the idea).
You will also need to add or subtract wire from your antenna. Here's some "favorable" wire lengths from the AH-4 reflector, with the range parenthesis. 40' (35-44) 58' (52-64) 76' (70-81)
73, Jeff/wb0m
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Re: Coax and output wire size + 80 meters
I thought the rebar was to far from the tuner so I drove a 5 foot chunk of copper pipe into the ground right below the tuner. Testing afterward showed that I could only tune 20 meters through 6 meters. I am baffled by this. Clearly the copper tube and shorter ground wire should function better that the rebar and 15 feet of wire or is the long ground wire to the rebar acting like a counterpoise? You have a good ground now, but a counterpoise is also needed. Add as much wire as possible in the crawl space, but a couple of wire as far apart as possible as long as possible in all directions of possible (check a counterpoise diagram for any vertical antenna and you'll get the idea). You will also need to add or subtract wire from your antenna. Here's some "favorable" wire lengths from the AH-4 reflector, with the range parenthesis. 40' (35-44) 58' (52-64) 76' (70-81) 73, Jeff/wb0m
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Re: Coax and output wire size + 80 meters
my fc1000 can tune 160 with a 3m
whip!!!!!
best 73?s
dg9bfc
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Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:47
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Subject: [YaesuTuner] Re: Coax and output
wire size + 80 meters
JR, I have also run the FC-40 as well as SGCs' and SEA couplers. One
thing I have noticed is that the couplers sometimes have a problem
with 1/2 wavelength wires. I would either take off about 10' of wire
or add about 10' of wire on the radiating element. I have run the
FC- 40 with a 9' whip and also with 48' of wire with pretty good
success.
Let us know how it works
out.
Thanks,
Mike-KB5OZE
--- In YaesuTuner@yahoogroups.com,
"jay_hendershott" wrote: > > Thanks for all
the helpful information. I have found a combination > that works pretty
well although I still cannot tune 75/80 meters. I > am really
baffled though about the current ground setup. The ground > I have
in plave is the original 4' long rebar. It is approximately > 15 feet
away from the tuner with a 12 guage wire running from the > tuner to
the rebat. I am able to tune 160, 40, 20 up to 6 meters. I > can
not tune 80 or 30 meters. I thought the rebar was to far from > the
tuner so I drove a 5 foot chunk of copper pipe into the ground > right
below the tuner. Testing afterward showed that I could only > tune 20
meters through 6 meters. I am baffled by this. Clearly the > copper
tube and shorter ground wire should function better that the > rebar
and 15 feet of wire or is the long ground wire to the rebar > acting
like a counterpoise? I tried running counterpoises with the > copper
pipe but they seemed to make no difference. I am limited on >
counterpoise because the tuner is located in my crawl space. It > would
not be easy for me to move the tuner outside. I made a few > contacts
over the weekend, one being a station in Tokyo, Japan so I > cannot
complain but I would like to get 75/80 meters back. One > poster noted
the addition of a capacitior in series with the output > wire. How
should I determine size and rating of the capacitior? > Again thanks
for the help, it has been a learning experience so far. > >
--- In YaesuTuner@yahoogroups.com,
"wb0m" wrote: > > > > Is there anyway to move
the coupler outside the house? Your antenna > > starts at the
coupler, which means you are probably getting RFI and > > such
from a couple of thing: your antenna is radiating next to all >
the > > wires in the house and your ground my not be sufficient. Is
the > ground > > rod driven into the dirt? And copper will
work better than rebar. > > Your long wire antenna sounds fine in
length, but you still need a > > counterpoise of some sort. Also,
there my be high voltage at the end > > of the antenna so if
anyone can come in contact with it, you might > > move it up out of
the way. - Jeff/wb0m > > > > > > > >
> > --- In YaesuTuner@yahoogroups.com,
"jay_hendershott" > wrote: > > The antenna
starts off at the corner of my > > > fence which is about 5' up
from the ground. It then runs > straight to > > > the top
peak of my house which is about 30'+ high. This run is > about >
> > 65'. The wire passes through a ceramic insulator then it comes
> down > > > to the left corner of my house were it is
looped in a ceramic > > > insulator. It then passes through the
wall to the tuner which is > > > inside the crawl space. The
tail from the insulator to the tuner > is > > > about
14 inches long. I have buried a 4' long piece of rebar > into
the > > > moist dirt of the crawl space. I attached a ground rod
lug and a > > > piece of 12 guage wire from the tuner to the
lug. One question I > have > > > , does distance from
ground rod to tuner matter? After some > testing > > > last
night I confirmed again that I cannot tune 80 or 30 meters. >
I > > > have also picked up rfi in one tv and the surround sound
of > another. > > > This was not a problem with my OCF.
Hope this helps, I will be > > > experimenting more today. Thanks
again. > > > > > > 73 > > > > >
> JR > > > > > > > > > > Hi JR,
> > > > You shouldn't have to do anything to the tuner. This
tuner, > or more > > > > accurately, antenna coupler, is
a great tuner when used > correctly > > > > (similar to
Icom's AH-4. and SCG couplers). > > > > We need more info on
your antenna. You said you're have about > 90'of > > >
> wire, but how is it set up, i.e. long wire, inverted L, etc.) >
and most > > > > importantly, what are you using for a
counterpoise? > > > > And the coax is fine. The SWR from the
tuner to your radio > will > > > > (almost) always be
around 1.5 to 1 so loss should low, even with > > > >
longer lengths. > > > > I will also e-mail a PDF on antenna's
from the SCG company. > It's very > > > > good reading.
I use an AH-4 with a vertical loop, about 200' of > wire. >
> > > Keep asking questions and we'll help. 73, Jeff/wb0m >
> > > > > > > > >
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Re: Coax and output wire size + 80 meters
15 feet from tuner to ground = 5m = quarterwave for
20 .....
so i think that is acting as an isolation for 20m
.... best is to use multiple wires with different lnght for the groundwires to a
proper ground if you can not put your tuner outside
?
what about a different lenght of your antenna .....
can you make it longer or shorter???
maybe you can tune it after that on your missig
bands
90feet = 30m = fullwave on 30m
that is the reason why it won?t work on 30m
.....
impedance on 30 is to high for the tuner
.....
you can probably ad some feet of wire on the far
end of the antenna
and then try again to tune it on 30 and
80
if this doesn?t work try to shorten the antenna a
few meters from 30 down to maybe 25-27m
you know that is experimental :-)
hopefully you will find a lenght that your tuner
can tune on every band
you can also try 50 - 100 pf parallel to tuner
output
i have a fc1000 tuner by yaesu and there is a 50pf
with a jumper on the output side
manual says to close the jumper if you have a
lenght that the tuner can?t tune
but the capacitor brings some losses on the higher
bands ....so it is better to take
a longer or shorter wire
best 73?s de dg9bfc
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Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:21
PM
Subject: [YaesuTuner] Re: Coax and output
wire size + 80 meters
Thanks for all the helpful information. I have found a combination that
works pretty well although I still cannot tune 75/80 meters. I am really
baffled though about the current ground setup. The ground I have in plave
is the original 4' long rebar. It is approximately 15 feet away from the
tuner with a 12 guage wire running from the tuner to the rebat. I am able
to tune 160, 40, 20 up to 6 meters. I can not tune 80 or 30 meters. I
thought the rebar was to far from the tuner so I drove a 5 foot chunk of
copper pipe into the ground right below the tuner. Testing afterward
showed that I could only tune 20 meters through 6 meters. I am baffled by
this. Clearly the copper tube and shorter ground wire should function
better that the rebar and 15 feet of wire or is the long ground wire to
the rebar acting like a counterpoise? I tried running counterpoises with
the copper pipe but they seemed to make no difference. I am limited on
counterpoise because the tuner is located in my crawl space. It would
not be easy for me to move the tuner outside. I made a few contacts over
the weekend, one being a station in Tokyo, Japan so I cannot complain but
I would like to get 75/80 meters back. One poster noted the addition of a
capacitior in series with the output wire. How should I determine size and
rating of the capacitior? Again thanks for the help, it has been a
learning experience so far.
--- In YaesuTuner@yahoogroups.com,
"wb0m" wrote: > > Is there anyway to move the
coupler outside the house? Your antenna > starts at the coupler, which
means you are probably getting RFI and > such from a couple of thing:
your antenna is radiating next to all the > wires in the house and
your ground my not be sufficient. Is the ground > rod driven into
the dirt? And copper will work better than rebar. > Your long wire
antenna sounds fine in length, but you still need a > counterpoise of
some sort. Also, there my be high voltage at the end > of the antenna so
if anyone can come in contact with it, you might > move it up out of the
way. - Jeff/wb0m > > > > > --- In YaesuTuner@yahoogroups.com,
"jay_hendershott" wrote: > The antenna starts off at
the corner of my > > fence which is about 5' up from the ground. It
then runs straight to > > the top peak of my house which is about
30'+ high. This run is about > > 65'. The wire passes through a
ceramic insulator then it comes down > > to the left corner of my
house were it is looped in a ceramic > > insulator. It then passes
through the wall to the tuner which is > > inside the crawl space.
The tail from the insulator to the tuner is > > about 14 inches
long. I have buried a 4' long piece of rebar into the > > moist
dirt of the crawl space. I attached a ground rod lug and a > > piece
of 12 guage wire from the tuner to the lug. One question I have >
> , does distance from ground rod to tuner matter? After some
testing > > last night I confirmed again that I cannot tune 80 or
30 meters. I > > have also picked up rfi in one tv and the
surround sound of another. > > This was not a problem with my
OCF. Hope this helps, I will be > > experimenting more today. Thanks
again. > > > > 73 > > > > JR >
> > > > > > Hi JR, > > > You shouldn't
have to do anything to the tuner. This tuner, or more > > >
accurately, antenna coupler, is a great tuner when used correctly >
> > (similar to Icom's AH-4. and SCG couplers). > > > We
need more info on your antenna. You said you're have about 90'of >
> > wire, but how is it set up, i.e. long wire, inverted L, etc.)
and most > > > importantly, what are you using for a
counterpoise? > > > And the coax is fine. The SWR from the tuner
to your radio will > > > (almost) always be around 1.5 to 1 so
loss should low, even with > > > longer lengths. > > >
I will also e-mail a PDF on antenna's from the SCG company. It's
very > > > good reading. I use an AH-4 with a vertical loop, about
200' of wire. > > > Keep asking questions and we'll help. 73,
Jeff/wb0m > > > > > >
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Re: Coax and output wire size + 80 meters
JR, I have also run the FC-40 as well as SGCs' and SEA couplers. One thing I have noticed is that the couplers sometimes have a problem with 1/2 wavelength wires. I would either take off about 10' of wire or add about 10' of wire on the radiating element. I have run the FC- 40 with a 9' whip and also with 48' of wire with pretty good success. Let us know how it works out. Thanks, Mike-KB5OZE --- In YaesuTuner@..., "jay_hendershott" <jrcomp@...> wrote: Thanks for all the helpful information. I have found a combination that works pretty well although I still cannot tune 75/80 meters.
I am really baffled though about the current ground setup. The ground I have in plave is the original 4' long rebar. It is approximately 15 feet away from the tuner with a 12 guage wire running from the tuner to the rebat. I am able to tune 160, 40, 20 up to 6 meters. I can not tune 80 or 30 meters. I thought the rebar was to far from the tuner so I drove a 5 foot chunk of copper pipe into the ground right below the tuner. Testing afterward showed that I could only tune 20 meters through 6 meters. I am baffled by this. Clearly the copper tube and shorter ground wire should function better that the rebar and 15 feet of wire or is the long ground wire to the rebar acting like a counterpoise? I tried running counterpoises with the copper pipe but they seemed to make no difference. I am limited on counterpoise because the tuner is located in my crawl space. It would not be easy for me to move the tuner outside. I made a few contacts over the weekend, one being a station in Tokyo, Japan so I cannot complain but I would like to get 75/80 meters back. One poster noted the addition of a capacitior in series with the output wire. How should I determine size and rating of the capacitior? Again thanks for the help, it has been a learning experience so far. --- In YaesuTuner@..., "wb0m" <wb0m@> wrote:
Is there anyway to move the coupler outside the house? Your
antenna starts at the coupler, which means you are probably getting RFI
and such from a couple of thing: your antenna is radiating next to
all the
wires in the house and your ground my not be sufficient. Is the ground
rod driven into the dirt? And copper will work better than rebar. Your long wire antenna sounds fine in length, but you still need a counterpoise of some sort. Also, there my be high voltage at the end of the antenna so if anyone can come in contact with it, you might move it up out of the way. - Jeff/wb0m
--- In YaesuTuner@..., "jay_hendershott" <jrcomp@> wrote:
The antenna starts off at the corner of my
fence which is about 5' up from the ground. It then runs straight to
the top peak of my house which is about 30'+ high. This run is about
65'. The wire passes through a ceramic insulator then it comes down
to the left corner of my house were it is looped in a ceramic insulator. It then passes through the wall to the tuner which
is inside the crawl space. The tail from the insulator to the
tuner is
about 14 inches long. I have buried a 4' long piece of rebar into the
moist dirt of the crawl space. I attached a ground rod lug and
a piece of 12 guage wire from the tuner to the lug. One question
I have
, does distance from ground rod to tuner matter? After some testing
last night I confirmed again that I cannot tune 80 or 30
meters. I
have also picked up rfi in one tv and the surround sound of another.
This was not a problem with my OCF. Hope this helps, I will be experimenting more today. Thanks again.
73
JR
Hi JR, You shouldn't have to do anything to the tuner. This tuner, or more
accurately, antenna coupler, is a great tuner when used
correctly
(similar to Icom's AH-4. and SCG couplers). We need more info on your antenna. You said you're have
about 90'of
wire, but how is it set up, i.e. long wire, inverted L, etc.)
and most
importantly, what are you using for a counterpoise? And the coax is fine. The SWR from the tuner to your radio
will
(almost) always be around 1.5 to 1 so loss should low, even
with longer lengths. I will also e-mail a PDF on antenna's from the SCG company.
It's very
good reading. I use an AH-4 with a vertical loop, about 200'
of wire.
Keep asking questions and we'll help. 73, Jeff/wb0m
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Re: Coax and output wire size + 80 meters
Thanks for all the helpful information. I have found a combination that works pretty well although I still cannot tune 75/80 meters. I am really baffled though about the current ground setup. The ground I have in plave is the original 4' long rebar. It is approximately 15 feet away from the tuner with a 12 guage wire running from the tuner to the rebat. I am able to tune 160, 40, 20 up to 6 meters. I can not tune 80 or 30 meters. I thought the rebar was to far from the tuner so I drove a 5 foot chunk of copper pipe into the ground right below the tuner. Testing afterward showed that I could only tune 20 meters through 6 meters. I am baffled by this. Clearly the copper tube and shorter ground wire should function better that the rebar and 15 feet of wire or is the long ground wire to the rebar acting like a counterpoise? I tried running counterpoises with the copper pipe but they seemed to make no difference. I am limited on counterpoise because the tuner is located in my crawl space. It would not be easy for me to move the tuner outside. I made a few contacts over the weekend, one being a station in Tokyo, Japan so I cannot complain but I would like to get 75/80 meters back. One poster noted the addition of a capacitior in series with the output wire. How should I determine size and rating of the capacitior? Again thanks for the help, it has been a learning experience so far. --- In YaesuTuner@..., "wb0m" <wb0m@...> wrote: Is there anyway to move the coupler outside the house? Your antenna starts at the coupler, which means you are probably getting RFI and such from a couple of thing: your antenna is radiating next to all
the wires in the house and your ground my not be sufficient. Is the ground rod driven into the dirt? And copper will work better than rebar. Your long wire antenna sounds fine in length, but you still need a counterpoise of some sort. Also, there my be high voltage at the end of the antenna so if anyone can come in contact with it, you might move it up out of the way. - Jeff/wb0m
--- In YaesuTuner@..., "jay_hendershott" <jrcomp@> wrote: The antenna starts off at the corner of my
fence which is about 5' up from the ground. It then runs straight to the top peak of my house which is about 30'+ high. This run is
about 65'. The wire passes through a ceramic insulator then it comes
down to the left corner of my house were it is looped in a ceramic insulator. It then passes through the wall to the tuner which is inside the crawl space. The tail from the insulator to the tuner
is about 14 inches long. I have buried a 4' long piece of rebar
into the moist dirt of the crawl space. I attached a ground rod lug and a piece of 12 guage wire from the tuner to the lug. One question I
have , does distance from ground rod to tuner matter? After some
testing last night I confirmed again that I cannot tune 80 or 30 meters.
I have also picked up rfi in one tv and the surround sound of
another. This was not a problem with my OCF. Hope this helps, I will be experimenting more today. Thanks again.
73
JR
Hi JR, You shouldn't have to do anything to the tuner. This tuner,
or more accurately, antenna coupler, is a great tuner when used
correctly (similar to Icom's AH-4. and SCG couplers). We need more info on your antenna. You said you're have about
90'of wire, but how is it set up, i.e. long wire, inverted L, etc.)
and most importantly, what are you using for a counterpoise? And the coax is fine. The SWR from the tuner to your radio
will (almost) always be around 1.5 to 1 so loss should low, even with longer lengths. I will also e-mail a PDF on antenna's from the SCG company.
It's very good reading. I use an AH-4 with a vertical loop, about 200' of
wire. Keep asking questions and we'll help. 73, Jeff/wb0m
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Re: Coax and output wire size + 80 meters
Is there anyway to move the coupler outside the house? Your antenna starts at the coupler, which means you are probably getting RFI and such from a couple of thing: your antenna is radiating next to all the wires in the house and your ground my not be sufficient. Is the ground rod driven into the dirt? And copper will work better than rebar. Your long wire antenna sounds fine in length, but you still need a counterpoise of some sort. Also, there my be high voltage at the end of the antenna so if anyone can come in contact with it, you might move it up out of the way. - Jeff/wb0m
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--- In YaesuTuner@..., "jay_hendershott" <jrcomp@...> wrote: The antenna starts off at the corner of my fence which is about 5' up from the ground. It then runs straight to the top peak of my house which is about 30'+ high. This run is about 65'. The wire passes through a ceramic insulator then it comes down to the left corner of my house were it is looped in a ceramic insulator. It then passes through the wall to the tuner which is inside the crawl space. The tail from the insulator to the tuner is about 14 inches long. I have buried a 4' long piece of rebar into the moist dirt of the crawl space. I attached a ground rod lug and a piece of 12 guage wire from the tuner to the lug. One question I have , does distance from ground rod to tuner matter? After some testing last night I confirmed again that I cannot tune 80 or 30 meters. I have also picked up rfi in one tv and the surround sound of another. This was not a problem with my OCF. Hope this helps, I will be experimenting more today. Thanks again.
73
JR
Hi JR, You shouldn't have to do anything to the tuner. This tuner, or more accurately, antenna coupler, is a great tuner when used correctly (similar to Icom's AH-4. and SCG couplers). We need more info on your antenna. You said you're have about 90'of wire, but how is it set up, i.e. long wire, inverted L, etc.) and most importantly, what are you using for a counterpoise? And the coax is fine. The SWR from the tuner to your radio will (almost) always be around 1.5 to 1 so loss should low, even with longer lengths. I will also e-mail a PDF on antenna's from the SCG company. It's very good reading. I use an AH-4 with a vertical loop, about 200' of wire. Keep asking questions and we'll help. 73, Jeff/wb0m
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Re: Coax and output wire size + 80 meters
--- In YaesuTuner@..., "Siegfried Jackstien" <siegfried.jackstien@...> wrote: I am interested in this pdf file too .... so put it in the file area<< Since all the info is from SGC and their property, I don't feel right about loading into the files area. However, here's the link to their page - this is much better since they is a lot more info on antenna and couplers there. The same principles of the SGC couplers applies to the FC-40 (and similar tuners). Best of the holidays and Happy New Year. 73, Jeff/wb0m
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