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HOW TO STUDY THE BIBLE
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?OObservation
? I Interpretation
? A Application
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2And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable men who will also be qualified to teach others.
2Timothy 2:15
15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who doesn't need to be ashamed, correctly teaching the word of truth. (
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1. Observation is discovering what the author is saying, looking specifically at
Who who is speaking,Who is being spoken to,
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What? was spoken about,
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When? did this happen i.e. time and season,
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Where? does this take place, is there something significant about where it is taking place??
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Cause & Effect. This is always the most challenging
portion of Bible study, which most people give only cursory attention to (unfortunately).
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The key to doing Bible study is "Asking God to open our hearts and minds to understanding"
What does God expect of us?? When we know what is expected then as we read the bible we can see? examples of what happens when we remain in God's will and what happens when we decide to go our own way.
Go through all of the commandments and se what is expected of us.
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There are four basic things to look for:
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their context.
?- Structure - Look for Grammatical and Literary structure. Grammatical helps us see important info like subject, object, and main verbs. Literary structure
reveals clues through recognition of things like questions and answers; cause and effect; etc.
?- Literary form - are we looking at poetry, narrative, history, or prophecy.
?- Atmosphere - reveals feeling, mood, tone and environment - what it is like to be in the author's shoes.
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2. Interpretation is finding out what he means. The foundation of accurate interpretation is correct observation. This is why much time and diligence should
have been given to observation. The more time you give to observation, the less time it will take to do interpretation. Many people rush into interpretation
without laying the vital foundation of observation and their understanding becomes colored by "what they think ... what they feel ... the way they see it ... and
what others have said . . . . ¡± We must be very careful not to "distort the scriptures to our own destruction" as the "unlearned and unstable" referred to in
II Peter 3:16.
I. The key is to ask questions:
A. As you have observed the passage, you have recorded various questions about the text in the right hand margin of your observation worksheet.
B. You might want to go through the text again and ask yourself more questions.
C. List all these questions on a sheet of paper.
IV. Find the answers to your questions making sure you keep all your interpretation within:
A. The main theme of the book
B. The occasion of the book
C. The passage's place in time and history
D. The culture of that period
E. The geographic locations referred to
F. The atmosphere of the passage
VII. Do any necessary word studies and list key definitions. Here's where a Bible Dictionary or Vine's Expository can be extremely helpful.
VIII. Check cross-references
A. A cross-reference is another Scripture that supports, illumines or amplifies the scripture that you are studying.
B. One of the vital elements to consider in Bible study is the comparison of Scripture with Scripture. This is the purpose of doing cross-references.
Scripture must agree with Scripture; therefore, any time you seem to find apparent discrepancy in meaning, check your interpretation, for somewhere
you have gone amiss. Scripture cannot contradict Scripture.
C. When doing cross-references, if you are comparing one word with another word, make sure you have checked the Greek or Hebrew. For example,
the KJV takes several different Greek words and translates all of them under the English word "suffer": However, a study of the Greek will show a
different meaning or shade of meaning for each one. So, make sure you are comparing "likes".
D. The procedure of checking cross-references:
1. Use the reference system in your Bible (with discretion), a topical Bible, or a concordance and look up related Scriptures.
2. Carefully study the context of your cross-references. Remember Scripture cannot be wrenched out of its context and be made to support truth
without the danger of coming up with a pretext.Search the Scriptures Chapter Analysis Format
3. When you find a cross-reference which illuminates the scriptures you are studying, you may want to make note of it in the margin of your Bible
next to the appropriate Scripture.
IV. Read other sound translations¡ªbe very careful if using a paraphrase.
V. Summarize your conclusions, making sure:
A. They do not violate the general theme of the book you are studying.
B. They are in context. A text out of context is a pretext.
C. They are in accordance or agreement with what the author said in other parts of his writing.
D. They do not violate other Biblical truths.
E. They are not "prejudiced" to one particular doctrine or school of theology, as this often distorts one's interpretation.
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3. Application is applying that truth to your life.
Accurate interpretations and correct application rest on the accuracy of your observations. Therefore, it is vital that you do not neglect to develop skills of
observation which may, at first, seem difficult, laborious and time consuming. Application is finding out what the Word is saying to me, and doing something
about it. Application is vital. Without it, the Scriptures are useless. We are warned about "being hearers of the Word but not doers" in James 1:22-25.
Observation and Interpretation are the "hearing" and Application is the "doing." Once again, correct application must be based on accurate interpretation and
accurate interpretation must be based on correct observation.
Meditate upon the Word, ask the Spirit to reveal its application to life. Then drive home that application, letting the sword of the Word go deep and discern the
thoughts and intents of the heart. God's Word is relevant for today. Show people the relevancy of the Word, the practicality of the Christian life and you will see
lives transformed before your eyes.
I. The basis of application is found in I I Timothy 3:16-17 A. Scripture is PROFITABLE for:
A. Doctrine: teaching, what you believe determines what you are.
B. Reproof: conviction; shows you where you are wrong.
C. Correction: restoration to a right state; shows you how to correct what is wrong.
D. Instruction in righteousness: the word "instruction" in the Greek is "paideia", the whole training and education of a child; shows you how to live,
what is right and what is wrong.
E. The Scripture has everything you need to meet any and all situations of life. ..... that the man of God might be perfect (Gk. artios complete, fitted)
thoroughly furnished (Gk. exartizo, exactly right) unto ALL GOOD WORKS."
VI. Therefore, when applying a Scripture, ask "what have l learned?" "Am l reproved? "Is there a means of correction?" "Is there instruction for righteous
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living?"
VII. You are encouraged to make your application as specific as possible.
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4. Summary Items.
I. When you have completed the portions of Observation, Interpretation, and Application, develop a short Title that captures the theme and insights of the
passage of Scripture studied.
II. List any of the specific themes that you identified. Themes help bring focus to your Interpretation, ensuring you are following the author's intent behind
his writings.
III. Identify a key verse that speaks to your Observations, Interpretations, and/or Applications. Write down why you selected that particular verse.Search the Scriptures Chapter Analysis Format
Passage/Chapter:
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Observations
(What do I see?)
[Who,What When Where,
Cause & Effect]
Interpretation Remarks/Application (or
place application end of
Definitions/Word study)
Studies
Cross References (with
correlation)
What does it mean? [What
questions (& answers) come to
mind?]
Passage Title:
Theme (s):
Key Verse (Why):
Application:
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?How does God speak?
God spoke verbally.
Servants: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, and Prophets.
Written Word
Creation
Yeshua/Jesus
Holy Spirit
Other people
Incidents---- dreams
Music
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Two ways to study!
Deductive: doctrine------ looking at the text for proof.
Inductive: text----- seeing what text says
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???? Observation:? What do I see?
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???? Interpretation:? What does it say?? Mean
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???? Application:? What do I need to do about it?? How?
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Hermeneutics (interpret or explain)
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Let the text speak for its self.
Interpret literally.?? When you can!!!
Interpret grammatically
a. Hebrew--- Greek---- English
but. English---- Greek---- Hebrew
Interpret Historically---- Culturally----- Traditionally!
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interpretation
Interpretation is finding out what he means. The foundation of accurate interpretation is correct observation. This is why much time and diligence should have been given to observation. The more time you give to observation, the less time it will take to do interpretation. Many people rush into interpretation
without laying the vital foundation of observation and their understanding becomes colored by "what they think ... what they feel ... the way they see it ... and
what others have said . . . . ¡±
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We must be very careful not to "distort the scriptures to our own destruction" as the "unlearned and unstable" referred to in
II Peter 3:15-16.
2Pe 3:15? Look on our Lord's patience as the opportunity he is giving you to be saved, just as our dear friend Paul wrote to you, using the wisdom that God gave him.
2Pe 3:16? This is what he says in all his letters when he writes on the subject. There are some difficult things in his letters which ignorant and unstable people explain falsely, as they do with other passages of the Scriptures. So they bring on their own destruction.
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I. The key is to ask questions:
A. As you have observed the passage, you have recorded various questions about the text in the right hand margin of your observation worksheet. (Who who is speaking,Who is being spoken to,
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What? was spoken about,
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When? did this happen i.e. time and season,
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Where? does this take place, is there something significant about where it is taking place??
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)
B. You might want to go through the text again and ask yourself more questions.
C. List all these questions on a sheet of paper.
IV. Find the answers to your questions making sure you keep all your interpretation within:
A. The main theme of the book
B. The occasion of the book
C. The passage's place in time and history
D. The culture of that period
E. The geographic locations referred to
F. The atmosphere of the passage
VII. Do any necessary word studies and list key definitions. Here's where a Bible Dictionary or Vine's Expository can be extremely helpful.
VIII. Check cross-references
A. A cross-reference is another Scripture that supports, illumines or amplifies the scripture that you are studying.
B. One of the vital elements to consider in Bible study is the comparison of Scripture with Scripture. This is the purpose of doing cross-references.
Scripture must agree with Scripture; therefore, any time you seem to find apparent discrepancy in meaning, check your interpretation, for somewhere
you have gone amiss. Scripture cannot contradict Scripture.
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yes, I know this sounds like hard work. In order for us to give God our best it takes work like this so that when we share this treasure with others we have a foundation to stand on.?
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verses

 

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Proverbs 26:4-5

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prayer time

 

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I received a text from Maria. she is in the hospital. She broke her left femur on Monday.

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Friday verses

 

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Proverbs 25:13-14

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verses

 

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25:11-12
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poem

 

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The Rapture
?by R.D.L.A. Wright
What a debate followers of jesus have.They even give it temporal label placements. pre-, mid and post. Stories and movies try to depict it.
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what if! What if all the Rapture is is when someone who has been stumbling? in darknesscomes to see the light. that person who had convinced themselves that they had it all in control realizes that the only true control is in God's hands. When you finally figure it out that it was never "my Way" but God's way all along! And you humble yourself, turn to God and say, "i get it!'my way only led me to sin and death. your way leads me to truth and life' so I give it all up for you. Take me as your own and be my one and only!"
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Now hasn't this person been taken up from their old dusty life and is basking in the love of Jesus?

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homework

 

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Proverbs 25:8-10
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From Demi

 

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Hi everyone! We wanted to let everyone know that me will not be back in Bible study. It¡¯s been a very amazing and loving place to come to each week. It was very wonderful and peaceful. It was really nice to me every single one of you guys. he is grateful that you guys opened up enough to allow me to come into your space and get closer to God. We do hope and wish that everything stays well in this group. Everyone of you guys have been amazing and supportive. Also very patient. Do you want to let you guys know that we will still continue getting closer to God it may be independent and find myself but it will be OK. And I hope the best and careful all of you guys. I hope that, nothing but good Times all of your ways. You¡¯re not good at these email situation. We tried it multiple times and me also not go to doing the start of stuff. So sorry if it doesn¡¯t make any sense! But we wish the best for all of you he will miss you all. Hope to cross paths again.! I am very grateful to met all of you. God bless you all and we hope you have a great day! Talk to you soon.

¡°Trust in the LORD with all?your heart And do not lean?on your own understanding.??In all your ways?acknowledge Him, And He?will make your paths?straight.¡±
(Proverbs 3:5,6


Friday's verses

 

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19 and 20.

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My notes for verses 17 and 18. Proverbs 24.

Brother Timothy Clark
 

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Proverbs 24:17-18 (NKJV) 17 Do not rejoice when your enemy falls, And do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles; 18 Lest the LORD see [it,] and it displease Him, And He turn away His wrath from him.



?I want to focus on verse 17.?

?We shouldn't be glad when those who seek??to do wrong against us fall. As Christians, we should love them and indeed we should pray for them.?

?There is much more to this verse in proverbs 17 then just the point I'm making here but, it is applicable.?

?Proverbs 17:5 Whoso mocketh the poor reproacheth his Maker: [and] he that is glad at calamities shall not be unpunished.?


?We shouldn't be glad at the expense of somebody elses calamity. Instead, as I said earlier, we should pray for them. Jesus is quoted in the book of Luke in 6:28, as saying, ¡°bless those who curse you, and pray for those who spitefully use you.

Matthew 5:44 records the same thing.?

?We often times feel justified and may say things like oh, about time they get what they deserve but, this is not how we should be as followerrs of Christ. We should instead pray for them and let the Lord do the rest.?

?In verse 18 it talks of God removing his rath away from the wicked man. Guzik says and I think he's perhaps correct when he says, : If God sees our rejoicing over the fall of the wicked, He may?turn away His wrath from?the wicked man just to rebuke our proud, unloving heart against the wicked man.


In Christ's Service.?
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poem

 

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Many questions? by Robert doc Wright
Inspired by God
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1 Peter 1:1 - 4
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1Pe 1:1 Greetings from Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ. To God's chosen people who are away from their homes?€people scattered all over the areas of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia.
1Pe 1:2 God planned long ago to choose you and to make you his holy people, which is the Spirit's work. God wanted you to obey him and to be made clean by the blood sacrifice of Jesus Christ. I pray that you will enjoy more and more of God's grace and peace.
1Pe 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. God has great mercy, and because of his mercy he gave us a new life. This new life brings us a living hope through Jesus Christ's resurrection from death.
1Pe 1:4 Now we wait to receive the blessings God has for his children. These blessings are kept for you in heaven. They cannot be ruined or be destroyed or lose their beauty.
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Now this is a paraphrase or you might say that it is my view on a pair of prases or more.
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In Peter's first verse he is greeting God's chosen people.
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Are you one of God's chosen people?
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How do you know this?
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Is it because you have a T-shirt that proclaims this? Or that you attend a church that has thousands of members?? what is it about you that says that you are his?!
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Verse two says that God planned long ago to choose me! to choose you! to make us his chosen people. why? What was his purpose?
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God wanted us to obey him. Who benefits from our obedience?
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How does our obedience benefit God?
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How does our obedience benefit us?
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Have you ever looke back on your life and asked, how am I still here? How could God love me that much! Its because of his grace and his mercy. When we turned around and began living in obedience God gave us a new life.? Now what are we to do with this new life? Do we now say, I made it! Now my work is done.
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what about those who are out there that are struggling with this decision. What about the ones who still don't know that there is a decision to make/
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Luk 24:47 You saw these things happen?€you are witnesses. You must go and tell people that they must change and turn to God, which will bring them his forgiveness. You must start from Jerusalem and tell this message in my name to the people of all nations.
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In our case we know what God has done to change our life. Now we must go out and share this treasure with these people who aren't sure, who don't even know that God is more than just a myth. but there is a catch. they need to see this change in you. It has to be more than just the words that we say. they must be able to see it living within us.

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Proverbs reading

 

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Verses 15 and 16 with notes.

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LNotes from Proverbs 24:12-14.

Brother Timothy Clark
 

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Proverbs 24:11-12 (NKJV)??Deliver [those who] are drawn toward death, And hold back [those] stumbling to the slaughter.??If you say, ¡°Surely we did not know this,¡± Does not He who weighs the hearts consider [it?] He who keeps your soul, does He [not] know [it?] And will He [not] render to [each] man according to his deeds



?Thoughts from Guzik.?

?Deliver those who are drawn toward death: The idea is of those who are on their way towards destruction,?those stumbling to the slaughter. If we have the opportunity, we should?deliver?them, to?hold back?their progress to?slaughter.

i.?Those who are drawn toward death: ¡°These could be literal prisoners who have been (presumably wrongfully) condemned to die. The reader is to take extraordinary measures to secure their release (a dramatic modern example would be the extermination of the Jews in Europe during the Second World War).


?My personal opinion is that this is talking about those who are heading towards death do to their immorality. They live a life of sin and yet expect God to deliver them. As followers of Christ, we have got to evangelize. We have got to warn people that they are on their way to hell if they do not accept Jesus as savior.??

??I recognize I'm looking at this from a new testamet prospective but, I also believe that as followers of Christ that we should do that as we are on this side of the cross.?

?. Esther¡¯s courage saved her people, even when it would have been easy for her to ignore her duty. What are we as the Church doing??

?Guzik says, : We shouldn¡¯t be indifferent towards those headed?toward death. Since they often reject God¡¯s wisdom and are hostile, it is easy to give up on them or ignore them. Yet God,?He who weighs the hearts, does know and consider this.

?This morning I was monitoring KLAL and I heard a plane which failed to respond to air traffic control. This controller didn't give up. He continued and finally reached the pilot. If he would have given up, the plane would have crashed as it was in the pattern on??arrival. It would have brought other aircraft down with it. This controler is kind of like how we should be as in we can't give up in reaching that hand of love out to our neighbors. In doing so, we can be a living example of who lives in us which will hopefully get them curious enough to engage us in talks of faith. Sometimes the best way of witnessing is living Christ like lives both in public and private conduct.?

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?Moving to verses 13 and 14 we read the following.?

?Proverbs 24:13-14 (NKJV) My son, eat honey because [it is] good, And the honeycomb [which] [is] sweet to your taste; So [shall] the knowledge of wisdom [be] to your soul; If you have found [it,] there is a prospect, And your hope will not be cut off.


I found this one section to be quite fascinating. It says to eat honey because it is good but, to much of a good food like honey can be bad.?

?JFB says,?

?As delicious food whets the appetite, so should the rewards of wisdom excite us to seek it.?

?Now I said that to much honey can be bad. Matthew Henri expounds on this very thought as well by stating the following.?

?Honey may be?sweet to the taste?and yet not wholesome, but wisdom has a future recompence attending it, as well as a present sweetness in it. "Thou art permitted to?eat honey,?and the agreeableness of it to thy taste invites thee to it; but thou hast much more reason to relish and digest the precepts?of wisdom,?for?when thou hast found?that,?there shall be a reward;?thou shalt be paid for thy pleasure, while the servants of sin pay dearly for their pains. Wisdom does indeed set thee to work, but?there shall be a reward;?it does indeed raise great expectations in thee, but as thy labour, so thy hope, shall not be in vain;?thy expectation shall not be cut off?nay, it shall be infinitely outdone."


?Thinking about this passage from that of an aviation based prospective, honey is good. Think of the honey as if it were knowledge. In aviation, knowledge is power.??The more you know about flying, the safer and more enjoyable your experience will be. Whether you are a pilot, a flight attendant, or simply a passenger, it is important to stay informed about the latest safety procedures and regulations even if your knowledge is basic, you will still be prepared in the event of an emergency and or some other expected event.?

?Now we come to our next point, Honey from the comb is sweet to your taste.

Just as honey is sweet to the taste, wisdom is sweet to the soul. When you make wise decisions, you are more likely to achieve your goals and live a happy and fulfilling life. Think about this, wisdom is essential for making safe and sound decisions. Pilots and flight attendants must be able to think quickly and make decisions under pressure. They must also be able to anticipate and avoid hazards.

Know also that wisdom is like honey for you.

Wisdom is a valuable asset in all areas of life, but it is especially important in aviation. When you have wisdom, you are better prepared to face the challenges of flying. You are also more likely to make sound decisions that will keep you safe.

?Moving to our next point in this passage we see the following.?

?If you find it, there is a future hope for you, and your hope will not be cut off.

The future is full of possibilities, but it is also full of challenges. With wisdom, you are better equipped to face those challenges and achieve your goals. Wisdom will help you to build a bright future for yourself and your loved ones.

In conclusion, Proverbs 24:13-14 is a powerful reminder of the importance of wisdom in aviation just as it is in every other aspect of live.??When you have wisdom, you are better prepared to face the challenges of flying and build a bright future for yourself.?

?I'll close at this point with a question and a thought.?

?Would you rather have Godly wisdum or that of worldly wisdum??

?I would rather have Godly wisdum which isn't here today and gone tomorrow then to have earthly wisdum which is so fleeting that definitions of our words aren't even the same from century to century. This said, choose wisely, choose the things of God and leave this old broken worlds systems behind in favor of the things of God. Godly wisdum is much better then that of worldly wisdum. We must seek that of Godly wisdum over that of worldly. Godly wisdum, you never can have enough. ? ??


In Christ's Service.?
?Timothy.?
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Commentary on matthew 5

 

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Matthew 5_11
by robert Wright inspired by God
NLT
Mat 5:11? "God blesses you when people mock you and persecute you and lie about you and say all sorts of evil things against you because you are My followers.
Easy to Read Version
Mat 5:11 "People will insult you and hurt you. They will lie and say all kinds of evil things about you because you follow me. But when they do that, know that great blessings belong to you.
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What more can be said about this verse? Basically it says that when we are given a hard time, lied on, criticized about our belief in yeshua we should know that we are blessed. because it is happening just because of who we believe in.
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It doesn't mean that god does not help us through other situations that we go through. It specifically means that in our endeavours to lift up the kingdom of god we will have times when we will be pressured to give him up. these pressures may even come from our own family members.Despite these pressures he wants us to be steadfast in our beliefs.

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Re: Opinion wanted

Brother Timothy Clark
 

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Good morning. Don't change the text of the Holy Scriptures. Rather, if you want to add something, make a note next to the text itself but don't change the text.?

In Christ's Service.?
?Timothy.?
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On May 12, 2023, at 14:24, Doug Lee <dgl@...> wrote:

?First before I say much of consequence, I'll mention that the reading I did in response to this question
prompted me to discover the following rather interesting blog page:

It¡¯s a Yod -- NOT a Jot and Tittle!
https://therealyesua.blogspot.com/2018/08/its-yod-not-jot-and-tittle.html

The conclusion drawn by that short blog entry fascinates and slightly amuses me. It is not a change in
effective meaning, but for some may be an increase in the intensity of Jesus' statement.

Then a short aside: All translations I've examined follow your phrase with "the man of God" or similar,
which would make your text read something like "as instructed in the law God gave Moses the man of God." I
think that might look strange to some, but I don't base my answer on this.

Now to your question: I think you're asking if I think you should change the text or not. I don't have a
generic answer, which is because my answer depends on the intended audience a bit. The one thing I do
recommend is that if you change the text, the change is noted as yours somewhere so that no one interprets
your changed text as original material. In parallel, Jesus very many times came up with language and stories
of His own in order to reach specific audiences; but He never once claimed them to be precise copies of
God's communication to us from earlier times when doing so. God said, "Thou shalt not steal." Jesus said,
"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" in a specific example, because that rendition communicated well
to His audience at the time.

I believe you are trying to make sure your audience knows that it was God, not Moses, who formulated the
Law, even though we call the books "The Law," where Moses received and communicated the tablets. The books
we call "the Law" of course contain much more than those tablets as well, and I don't know if we have a
clear certainty on who penned other parts of the Law.

So the point that God originated the laws themselves is a valid one, even if the law in question for this
passage is not from a tablet. But my next question is, who would miss that and think that Moses himself
concocted the laws.

So my answer, perhaps ironically, comes down to this:

Write what you see for the passage unless you find that your audience requires modification to the words in
order to understand the passage as it was initially meant to be understood. If you modify, note this so
nobody thinks you just copied original text.


On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 04:34:22AM -0600, Robert Doc Wright wrote:
??I want your opinion. I'm currently copying the book of Ezra. In chapter
??3 it has "instructed in the law of Moses" I changed it to "instructed
??in the law God gave Moses". I'm trying to stay within the spirit of
??what ?Yeshua/Jesus said concerning the jot and tittle. selected , 3:54
??AM selected

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??When we finally give Yeshua/Jesus full control then we have taken that
??first step toward perfection!



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??4. mailto:godfearer@...?subject=Private: Re: bible study Opinion wanted
??5. /mt/98846548/409874
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Re: Opinion wanted

 

I see your point. When you read through the gos;els listen strongly to how the pharasees use the phrase "the law of Moses".

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Lee" <dgl@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2023 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: bible study Opinion wanted


First before I say much of consequence, I'll mention that the reading I did in response to this question
prompted me to discover the following rather interesting blog page:

It¡¯s a Yod -- NOT a Jot and Tittle!


The conclusion drawn by that short blog entry fascinates and slightly amuses me. It is not a change in
effective meaning, but for some may be an increase in the intensity of Jesus' statement.

Then a short aside: All translations I've examined follow your phrase with "the man of God" or similar,
which would make your text read something like "as instructed in the law God gave Moses the man of God." I
think that might look strange to some, but I don't base my answer on this.

Now to your question: I think you're asking if I think you should change the text or not. I don't have a
generic answer, which is because my answer depends on the intended audience a bit. The one thing I do
recommend is that if you change the text, the change is noted as yours somewhere so that no one interprets
your changed text as original material. In parallel, Jesus very many times came up with language and stories
of His own in order to reach specific audiences; but He never once claimed them to be precise copies of
God's communication to us from earlier times when doing so. God said, "Thou shalt not steal." Jesus said,
"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" in a specific example, because that rendition communicated well
to His audience at the time.

I believe you are trying to make sure your audience knows that it was God, not Moses, who formulated the
Law, even though we call the books "The Law," where Moses received and communicated the tablets. The books
we call "the Law" of course contain much more than those tablets as well, and I don't know if we have a
clear certainty on who penned other parts of the Law.

So the point that God originated the laws themselves is a valid one, even if the law in question for this
passage is not from a tablet. But my next question is, who would miss that and think that Moses himself
concocted the laws.

So my answer, perhaps ironically, comes down to this:

Write what you see for the passage unless you find that your audience requires modification to the words in
order to understand the passage as it was initially meant to be understood. If you modify, note this so
nobody thinks you just copied original text.


On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 04:34:22AM -0600, Robert Doc Wright wrote:
I want your opinion. I'm currently copying the book of Ezra. In chapter
3 it has "instructed in the law of Moses" I changed it to "instructed
in the law God gave Moses". I'm trying to stay within the spirit of
what Yeshua/Jesus said concerning the jot and tittle. selected , 3:54
AM selected


When we finally give Yeshua/Jesus full control then we have taken that
first step toward perfection!



__________
Family times theatre
[1]



Ask your smart speaker to play Family times on TuneInBowling fund
raiser
$godfearer77



References

1.
2. /g/WalkingInVictory/message/8
3. mailto:[email protected]?subject=Re: bible study Opinion wanted
4. mailto:godfearer@...?subject=Private: Re: bible study Opinion wanted
5. /mt/98846548/409874
6. /g/WalkingInVictory/post
7. /g/WalkingInVictory/editsub/409874
8. mailto:[email protected]
9. /g/WalkingInVictory/leave/12285371/409874/623348502/xyzzy

--
Doug Lee dgl@...
"I am a leader by default, only because nature does not allow a vacuum."
Bishop Desmond Tutu


Re: Opinion wanted

 

First before I say much of consequence, I'll mention that the reading I did in response to this question
prompted me to discover the following rather interesting blog page:

It¡¯s a Yod -- NOT a Jot and Tittle!


The conclusion drawn by that short blog entry fascinates and slightly amuses me. It is not a change in
effective meaning, but for some may be an increase in the intensity of Jesus' statement.

Then a short aside: All translations I've examined follow your phrase with "the man of God" or similar,
which would make your text read something like "as instructed in the law God gave Moses the man of God." I
think that might look strange to some, but I don't base my answer on this.

Now to your question: I think you're asking if I think you should change the text or not. I don't have a
generic answer, which is because my answer depends on the intended audience a bit. The one thing I do
recommend is that if you change the text, the change is noted as yours somewhere so that no one interprets
your changed text as original material. In parallel, Jesus very many times came up with language and stories
of His own in order to reach specific audiences; but He never once claimed them to be precise copies of
God's communication to us from earlier times when doing so. God said, "Thou shalt not steal." Jesus said,
"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" in a specific example, because that rendition communicated well
to His audience at the time.

I believe you are trying to make sure your audience knows that it was God, not Moses, who formulated the
Law, even though we call the books "The Law," where Moses received and communicated the tablets. The books
we call "the Law" of course contain much more than those tablets as well, and I don't know if we have a
clear certainty on who penned other parts of the Law.

So the point that God originated the laws themselves is a valid one, even if the law in question for this
passage is not from a tablet. But my next question is, who would miss that and think that Moses himself
concocted the laws.

So my answer, perhaps ironically, comes down to this:

Write what you see for the passage unless you find that your audience requires modification to the words in
order to understand the passage as it was initially meant to be understood. If you modify, note this so
nobody thinks you just copied original text.

On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 04:34:22AM -0600, Robert Doc Wright wrote:
I want your opinion. I'm currently copying the book of Ezra. In chapter
3 it has "instructed in the law of Moses" I changed it to "instructed
in the law God gave Moses". I'm trying to stay within the spirit of
what Yeshua/Jesus said concerning the jot and tittle. selected , 3:54
AM selected


When we finally give Yeshua/Jesus full control then we have taken that
first step toward perfection!



__________
Family times theatre
[1]



Ask your smart speaker to play Family times on TuneInBowling fund
raiser
$godfearer77



References

1.
2. /g/WalkingInVictory/message/8
3. mailto:[email protected]?subject=Re: bible study Opinion wanted
4. mailto:godfearer@...?subject=Private: Re: bible study Opinion wanted
5. /mt/98846548/409874
6. /g/WalkingInVictory/post
7. /g/WalkingInVictory/editsub/409874
8. mailto:[email protected]
9. /g/WalkingInVictory/leave/12285371/409874/623348502/xyzzy

--
Doug Lee dgl@...
"I am a leader by default, only because nature does not allow a vacuum."
Bishop Desmond Tutu


Opinion wanted

 

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One more old text, this one on faith vs proof

 

We talked about this also last week. This is the last of the old files in my cleanup project, promise.

Written on or around Monday, March 9, 2015, 4:45 PM.
This was to another fellow in a Ventrilo prayer group. I don't remember what sermon it refers to by now.

I agree with the sermon that Bible interpretation is subject to culture and other influences, and that history is one of
those influences and often a good one to look at. I also believe, though, that the only way to obtain an accurate
interpretation of the Bible is to pray for help getting one, because I have seen proof, including the above, that
translation issues do exist.

I say again to you though, I fear to respond to your inquiries for fear of further confusing rather than enlightening
you. You seek absolutes, as I once did. I would even venture to say that you would be happier if the scientific method
could successfully elucidate the mysteries of God, the Bible, Christianity, etc. But faith and proof are alternate
roads, not equal ones. We are indeed given evidence, and that evidence does prove to some of us, individually. But if
God were to have chosen to make everything provable by some worldwide-accepted standard, where would we have need for
faith at all?

But because you, like many and maybe once like me, naturally feel inclined to seek absolute proof, I write the
following, admittedly long text, in case it might help you.


I cannot tell you definitively why God chose to do things this way, providing evidence but not absolute proof; though I
can offer a simple theory - simple in concept, though I must write a bit before I can explain it. First the theory, then
the explanation:

My theory: I believe God chose to give us evidence but not indisputable proof because God wants to be sought and
believed, and loved, via faith.

All that follows in this chat message is my explanation, and why I accept that theory as valid and the behavior of God
it portrays as reasonable behavior.

Faith and love have this in common: They are based on a leap from what we can see to what we believe. I cannot love you
solely based on what I see, for that will change. Neither can I know what you will be tomorrow, though I may have faith
in that you will still love me.

Is there really any one of us who can say truly that we have never wanted to challenge another's love for us? Wanted to
see proof, as it were, that the love is real? Yet how do we prove love, except by denying something? Among people, it is
unwise to do this too often, surely (there are verses about that, too; ask and I can find if you like).

So I believe God has given us many freedoms, ultimately free will; but then said in effect, "Who among my creations will
truly love Me?" I then believe God has "asked" us not by telling us to speak our answers, but by giving us the means to
demonstrate them through our responses to what we are, and are not, given.

I accept the above theory as valid because, as should be true in the scientific method, it fits the evidence I've seen:
Many have tried proving God's existence irrefutably but have not done so to the satisfaction of everyone. If we accept
God's existence as defined in the Bible, then we must accept that He could, if He chose, provide such irrefutable proof
at will.

I accept the behavior described by this theory as reasonable simply because, as God's creations, we are reasonably
subject to God's will for us. I am therefore greatful to God for choosing to be kind to me. In worldly terms, I consider
myself God's property, both by creation and then again by my own free choice to remain so after God gave me that choice.
God has, in my view, challenged me to love Him without being able to build an absolute foundation first, and I have
accepted, and found it possible, truly, to do so. It did not happen overnight for me, nor in a single pivotal moment;
but I consider my love for God real, and I hope I show it well enough for others to agree.


Something I wrote about 9 years ago relating to last week's Bible study

 

I wrote this on or around Monday, April 14, 2014, 3:30 PM. I believe it was an email, but I don't remember to whom.
I'm sending it here because it seems relevant to last week's discussion. I actually forgot I wrote this
until I found it today while cleaning up old files.

Your question was, "How do You view God and his expectations of you?" This was headed with the title, "What does it mean to be Christian?"

First, we have at least two very succinct answers from the Bible itself on what is asked of us:

1. Micah 6:8 (old testament): ... what does the Lord require of you but to do justice, to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

2. Luke 10:27 (new testament, but also there are versions at Mark 12:30-31 and of the first half in Deuteronomy 6:5): And he answering said, "`Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind, and thy neighbor as thyself.'"

Then we have my thoughts on your question, what does it mean to be Christian:

- To do what is required of us above.

- To live lives that translate Jesus' request, "Do you love me? Feed my sheep." (John 21:15-17) into examples of how to live. (I believe "feed" here means first to teach by example, then the more basic/material meanings that can include.)

But all this is to living as a mathematical theorem like associativity is to the problem of shopping for groceries: Great on paper, but rather abstract for clear application.

And therein lies the big problem I see in Christianity today: Translating the above into practice is being done in myriad ways, by myriad divisions of church. To answer more specifically the question "How should we live" invites more discord than unity in many cases.

I personally try to make choices in my life by the following means, and I submit that this is the best answer to your compound question I can provide at all quickly:

1. Pray for guidance and strength. The lines we have come to know as the Serenity Prayer might sum this part up best: " God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; courage to change the things I can; and wisdom to know the difference."

2. Ask of an option before me, does it show love, kindness, mercy, justice - or something else?

3. Consider the things Jesus did, according to the testimonies we have; and see if any of them appear to be examples of what I should do. I find here, incidentally, that many of Jesus' responses to the challenges of His day broke free of the bounds laid out by his questioners: witness the discussion of marriage and what happens to that after death (Matthew 22:23-33, Mark 12:18-27, Luke 20:27-40). I take this as encouragement to think outside the confines of how the world thinks.

4. And finally, perhaps unfortunately, pray for forgiveness and help when I yet fail to choose wisely before I act. :-)

In conclusion, I will mention a comment I made many years ago in a Sunday school class: In a discussion of God and how much larger His perspective is than ours, I remarked, "People trying to understand God is like me trying to teach an ant why it can't live in my kitchen." The size of the difference is clear. None of us will get it all right. Knowing that, we have no place from which to say with authority, "I am more right than you." I think this takes from us most effectively the task of judgment of one another, leaving us the task only of showing love, kindness, mercy, and justice, as already said.

--
Doug Lee dgl@...
"The best executive is the one who has sense enough to pick good men to do
what he wants done, and self-restraint enough to keep from meddling with
them while they do it."--Theodore Roosevelt