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On April 15th Keith wrote:? ". . .??When I mentioned the need for a few donations to help with expenses, only two of you helped."
That's the problem with trying to run something based on "tin-cupping" - after a while it usually fizzles - the "audience" just gets tired of it.
Many, myself included, have suggested presenting an actual realistic annual budget that includes not only M&O but reserves and contingencies as well - publishing it - tracking it and sticking to it.
As much as a PITA it is, maybe it's time to do it!
'73 es gud dxing -- Don N4NN
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I have suggested the same.
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On April 15th Keith wrote:? ". . .??When I mentioned the need for a few donations to help with expenses, only two of you helped."
That's the problem with trying to run something based on "tin-cupping" - after a while it usually fizzles - the "audience" just gets tired of it.
Many, myself included, have suggested presenting an actual realistic annual budget that includes not only M&O but reserves and contingencies as well - publishing it - tracking it and sticking to it.
As much as a PITA it is, maybe it's time to do it!
'73 es gud dxing -- Don N4NN
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Agree.?
Always the same people overnight over again and as Don said it gets old. Everyone needs to step up to the plate.?
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On Apr 16, 2020, at 21:06, John Battin <jbattin@...> wrote:
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I have suggested the same.
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On April 15th Keith wrote:? ". . .??When I mentioned the need for a few donations to help with expenses, only two of you helped."
That's the problem with trying to run something based on "tin-cupping" - after a while it usually fizzles - the "audience" just gets tired of it.
Many, myself included, have suggested presenting an actual realistic annual budget that includes not only M&O but reserves and contingencies as well - publishing it - tracking it and sticking to it.
As much as a PITA it is, maybe it's time to do it!
'73 es gud dxing -- Don N4NN
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Of course I agree, same few people step up and bail us out. Keep in mind, I make up any expenses by myself each month. I had quoted
you our FIXED monthly operating costs at $200. This figure does not include parts, maintenance, new equipment, etc. Realistically, that is running about $100 a month. Then too, I bought the KRC-2, parts for the coax relay. (~150) I reduced monthly expenses by switching to a new ISP, but, install fees, first month service added up to almost $200. I bought antenna parts. ($200) There is around %550 extra in just one month. True, an extraordinary month for expenses. Turns out, I discovered this only yesterday, the UPS needs a new battery again. (I thought I bought one a few months ago)
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On 2020-04-17 00:39, Robert Devine wrote: In sum, our expenses are running about $300, which, honestly, for a 1500 watt, 24/7 operation is quite reasonable. Agree.
Always the same people overnight over again and as Don said it gets
old. Everyone needs to step up to the plate.
73
Robert T Devine, KC6AWX
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On Apr 16, 2020, at 21:06, John Battin <jbattin@...> wrote: ?
I have suggested the same.
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Don
Nesbitt via groups.io <n4hh@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 4:06:46 PM
To: Keith at W7DXX <w7dxx@...>; [email protected]
<[email protected]>
Subject: [W7DXXREMOTE] The Problem With Tin-Cupping
On April 15th Keith wrote: ". . . When I mentioned the need for a
few donations to help with expenses, only two of you helped."
That's the problem with trying to run something based on
"tin-cupping" - after a while it usually fizzles - the "audience"
just gets tired of it.
Many, myself included, have suggested presenting an actual realistic
annual budget that includes not only M&O but reserves and
contingencies as well - publishing it - tracking it and sticking to
it.
As much as a PITA it is, maybe it's time to do it!
'73 es gud dxing -- Don N4NN
Links:
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[2] /g/W7DXXREMOTE/message/253
[3] /mt/73064611/4072303
[4] /g/W7DXXREMOTE/post
[5] /g/W7DXXREMOTE/editsub/4072303
[6] /g/W7DXXREMOTE/leave/defanged
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If there were a budget that included both expenses and income, ?many of us would join together to fund it. As it is now, we have no idea how much has been collected and where that money was spent. It is a puzzle to me that when we collect
fees at the end of the year, why we are out of money in January when we should have cash on hand. We need to know how many new members we need. If Keith’s $300 per month is right, it seems we need eighteen $200 dollar subscriptions to fund it….I thought we
had more than that.
At any rate, we need a solution.? It is driving Keith crazy, and we going to ?lose what ?following we have as W7DXX is put in the “never ending pleas for money” file along with politicians and hundreds of others.
Oh, by the way, when in QSO, I have often started to say ”this is a remote station W7DXX in NM and I am operating from my home near Chicago.” Especially if you just won a pile-up, this should stir-up interest.
As they say “Make a plan…..Do the plan”??? We need a plan.
John K9DX
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Keith Lamonica, W7DXX <w7dxx@...>
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 8:36:08 AM
To: Robert Devine <kc6awx@...>
Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [W7DXXREMOTE] The Problem With Tin-Cupping
Of course I agree, same few people step up and bail us out.? Keep in
mind, I make up any expenses by myself each month. I had quoted
you our FIXED monthly operating costs at $200. This figure does not
include parts, maintenance, new equipment, etc. Realistically, that is
running about $100 a month. Then too, I bought the KRC-2, parts for the
coax relay. (~150) I reduced monthly expenses by switching to a new ISP,
but, install fees, first month service added up to almost $200. I bought
antenna parts. ($200)? There is around %550 extra in just one month.
True, an extraordinary month for expenses.? Turns out, I discovered this
only yesterday, the UPS needs a new battery again. (I thought I bought
one a few months ago)
On 2020-04-17 00:39, Robert Devine wrote:
In sum, our expenses are running about $300, which, honestly, for a 1500
watt, 24/7 operation is quite reasonable.
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>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Don
>> Nesbitt via groups.io <n4hh@...>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 4:06:46 PM
>> To: Keith at W7DXX <w7dxx@...>; [email protected]
>> <[email protected]>
>> Subject: [W7DXXREMOTE] The Problem With Tin-Cupping
>>
>> On April 15th Keith wrote:? ". . .? When I mentioned the need for a
>> few donations to help with expenses, only two of you helped."
>>
>> That's the problem with trying to run something based on
>> "tin-cupping" - after a while it usually fizzles - the "audience"
>> just gets tired of it.
>>
>> Many, myself included, have suggested presenting an actual realistic
>> annual budget that includes not only M&O but reserves and
>> contingencies as well - publishing it - tracking it and sticking to
>> it.
>>
>> As much as a PITA it is, maybe it's time to do it!
>>
>> '73 es gud dxing -- Don N4NN
>>
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From: John Battin
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2020 5:06 PM
To: [email protected];
Robert Devine
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [W7DXXREMOTE] The Problem With Tin-Cupping
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If there were a budget that included both expenses and income, ?many of us would join together to fund it. As it is now, we have no idea how much has been collected and where that money was spent. It is a puzzle to me that when we collect
fees at the end of the year, why we are out of money in January when we should have cash on hand. We need to know how many new members we need. If Keith’s $300 per month is right, it seems we need eighteen $200 dollar subscriptions to fund it….I thought we
had more than that.
At any rate, we need a solution.? It is driving Keith crazy, and we going to ?lose what ?following we have as W7DXX is put in the “never ending pleas for money” file along with politicians and hundreds of others.
Oh, by the way, when in QSO, I have often started to say ”this is a remote station W7DXX in NM and I am operating from my home near Chicago.” Especially if you just won a pile-up, this should stir-up interest.
As they say “Make a plan…..Do the plan”??? We need a plan.
John K9DX
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Of course I agree, same few people step up and bail us out.? Keep in
mind, I make up any expenses by myself each month. I had quoted
you our FIXED monthly operating costs at $200. This figure does not
include parts, maintenance, new equipment, etc. Realistically, that is
running about $100 a month. Then too, I bought the KRC-2, parts for the
coax relay. (~150) I reduced monthly expenses by switching to a new ISP,
but, install fees, first month service added up to almost $200. I bought
antenna parts. ($200)? There is around %550 extra in just one month.
True, an extraordinary month for expenses.? Turns out, I discovered this
only yesterday, the UPS needs a new battery again. (I thought I bought
one a few months ago)
On 2020-04-17 00:39, Robert Devine wrote:
In sum, our expenses are running about $300, which, honestly, for a 1500
watt, 24/7 operation is quite reasonable.
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>> From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Don
>> Nesbitt via groups.io <n4hh@...>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2020 4:06:46 PM
>> To: Keith at W7DXX <w7dxx@...>; [email protected]
>> <[email protected]>
>> Subject: [W7DXXREMOTE] The Problem With Tin-Cupping
>>
>> On April 15th Keith wrote:? ". . .? When I mentioned the need for a
>> few donations to help with expenses, only two of you helped."
>>
>> That's the problem with trying to run something based on
>> "tin-cupping" - after a while it usually fizzles - the "audience"
>> just gets tired of it.
>>
>> Many, myself included, have suggested presenting an actual realistic
>> annual budget that includes not only M&O but reserves and
>> contingencies as well - publishing it - tracking it and sticking to
>> it.
>>
>> As much as a PITA it is, maybe it's time to do it!
>>
>> '73 es gud dxing -- Don N4NN
>>
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