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haze on mirrors?


 

Every so often, I am recently finding that a haze remains on mirrors that I have cleaned and aluminized, even ones that I have stripped. I am wondering if it might be from the composition of the paper towels I use for the final drying...

Any thoughts?
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Guy Brandenburg, Washington, DC?
http://gfbrandenburg.wordpress.com/
http://home.earthlink.net/~gfbranden/GFB_Home_Page.html
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No, I don't. Never have, except for polishing & figuring.
This phenomenon is recent.
Not quite sure what you are trying to say.

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Guy Brandenburg, Washington, DC?
http://gfbrandenburg.wordpress.com/
http://home.earthlink.net/~gfbranden/GFB_Home_Page.html
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From: Thomas Janstrom
To: VacuumX@...
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [VacuumX] haze on mirrors?

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I know this going to sound silly, but you are using distilled water right? If so then that just leave the paper and possibly anything that might get transferred from your gloved hands to those towels.

Cheers, Thomas.

On 4/10/2012 11:59 AM, Guy Brandenburg wrote:
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Every so often, I am recently finding that a haze remains on mirrors that I have cleaned and aluminized, even ones that I have stripped. I am wondering if it might be from the composition of the paper towels I use for the final drying...

Any thoughts?
?
Guy Brandenburg, Washington, DC?
http://gfbrandenburg.wordpress.com/
http://home.earthlink.net/~gfbranden/GFB_Home_Page.html
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can you image it in any way ????????? maybe with a little puff of breath to make a bit of surface condensation so we can see it ???

The only time i ever see fog on the mirror after stripping is from something that went wrong in the aluminizing process.? something like diff pump oil vapor getting into the chamber during the aluminizing process and sticking to the glass as a kind of soot.?

Drew in soggy FLA

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On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Thomas Janstrom <t_janstrom@...> wrote:
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If they have changed the treatment of the municipal water supply then a new chemical may be being deposited on the glass prior to coating leading to the haze. Option two (more remote) is that you have something contaminating you chamber, that can be very hard to track down though. Try using distilled water for the final rinse for a few mirrors (the cheap stuff for irons at the supermarket will work) and see if that helps?

Thomas.


On 4/10/2012 6:07 PM, Guy Brandenburg wrote:
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No, I don't. Never have, except for polishing & figuring.
This phenomenon is recent.
Not quite sure what you are trying to say.

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Guy Brandenburg, Washington, DC?


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From: Thomas Janstrom
To: VacuumX@...
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [VacuumX] haze on mirrors?

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I know this going to sound silly, but you are using distilled water right? If so then that just leave the paper and possibly anything that might get transferred from your gloved hands to those towels.

Cheers, Thomas.

On 4/10/2012 11:59 AM, Guy Brandenburg wrote:
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Every so often, I am recently finding that a haze remains on mirrors that I have cleaned and aluminized, even ones that I have stripped. I am wondering if it might be from the composition of the paper towels I use for the final drying...

Any thoughts?
?
Guy Brandenburg, Washington, DC?


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Not diffiusion oil. I'll try to take some images.
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Guy Brandenburg, Washington, DC?
http://gfbrandenburg.wordpress.com/
http://home.earthlink.net/~gfbranden/GFB_Home_Page.html
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From: Andrew Aurigema
To: VacuumX@...
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [VacuumX] haze on mirrors?

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can you image it in any way ????????? maybe with a little puff of breath to make a bit of surface condensation so we can see it ???

The only time i ever see fog on the mirror after stripping is from something that went wrong in the aluminizing process.? something like diff pump oil vapor getting into the chamber during the aluminizing process and sticking to the glass as a kind of soot.?

Drew in soggy FLA

------------------------------------------------------------

On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 2:18 PM, Thomas Janstrom <t_janstrom@...> wrote:
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If they have changed the treatment of the municipal water supply then a new chemical may be being deposited on the glass prior to coating leading to the haze. Option two (more remote) is that you have something contaminating you chamber, that can be very hard to track down though. Try using distilled water for the final rinse for a few mirrors (the cheap stuff for irons at the supermarket will work) and see if that helps?

Thomas.


On 4/10/2012 6:07 PM, Guy Brandenburg wrote:
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No, I don't. Never have, except for polishing & figuring.
This phenomenon is recent.
Not quite sure what you are trying to say.

?
Guy Brandenburg, Washington, DC?
http://gfbrandenburg.wordpress.com/
http://home.earthlink.net/%7Egfbranden/GFB_Home_Page.html
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From: Thomas Janstrom
To: VacuumX@...
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [VacuumX] haze on mirrors?

?
I know this going to sound silly, but you are using distilled water right? If so then that just leave the paper and possibly anything that might get transferred from your gloved hands to those towels.

Cheers, Thomas.

On 4/10/2012 11:59 AM, Guy Brandenburg wrote:
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Every so often, I am recently finding that a haze remains on mirrors that I have cleaned and aluminized, even ones that I have stripped. I am wondering if it might be from the composition of the paper towels I use for the final drying...

Any thoughts?
?
Guy Brandenburg, Washington, DC?


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I know this going to sound silly, but you are using distilled water right? If so then that just leave the paper and possibly anything that might get transferred from your gloved hands to those towels.

Cheers, Thomas.

On 4/10/2012 11:59 AM, Guy Brandenburg wrote:

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Every so often, I am recently finding that a haze remains on mirrors that I have cleaned and aluminized, even ones that I have stripped. I am wondering if it might be from the composition of the paper towels I use for the final drying...

Any thoughts?
?
Guy Brandenburg, Washington, DC?


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If they have changed the treatment of the municipal water supply then a new chemical may be being deposited on the glass prior to coating leading to the haze. Option two (more remote) is that you have something contaminating you chamber, that can be very hard to track down though. Try using distilled water for the final rinse for a few mirrors (the cheap stuff for irons at the supermarket will work) and see if that helps?

Thomas.

On 4/10/2012 6:07 PM, Guy Brandenburg wrote:

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No, I don't. Never have, except for polishing & figuring.
This phenomenon is recent.
Not quite sure what you are trying to say.

?
Guy Brandenburg, Washington, DC?


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From: Thomas Janstrom
To: VacuumX@...
Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: [VacuumX] haze on mirrors?

?
I know this going to sound silly, but you are using distilled water right? If so then that just leave the paper and possibly anything that might get transferred from your gloved hands to those towels.

Cheers, Thomas.

On 4/10/2012 11:59 AM, Guy Brandenburg wrote:
?
Every so often, I am recently finding that a haze remains on mirrors that I have cleaned and aluminized, even ones that I have stripped. I am wondering if it might be from the composition of the paper towels I use for the final drying...

Any thoughts?
?
Guy Brandenburg, Washington, DC?


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On Fri, 2012-10-05 at 10:26 -0700, Thomas Janstrom wrote:

I know this going to sound silly, but you are using distilled water
right? If so then that just leave the paper and possibly anything that
might get transferred from your gloved hands to those towels.
I am very new to this vacuum thing, but I would guess that blowing water
off a mirror would be a good way to finish the cleaning process, but
apparently is not recommended. I've also been known to wash dirty
optical disks with a drop of soap and running water, then rinse, blow
the bulk of the water off by mouth, then spin the rest off in an old CD
drive. My thinking has been that touching the surface is not good, even
with soft paper, so I've looked at using streams of water and air to get
the job done. I also wonder if an ultrasonic cleaner might be useful?

Looks like these guys finish with alcohol and dry with paper towels of
some sort:



--
Kirk Wallace


California, USA


 

Judging by recommendations and videos I've seen, there are lots and lots of different ways of cleaning mirrors before coating!?
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Guy Brandenburg, Washington, DC?
http://gfbrandenburg.wordpress.com/
http://home.earthlink.net/~gfbranden/GFB_Home_Page.html
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From: Kirk Wallace
To: VacuumX@...
Sent: Sunday, October 7, 2012 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: [VacuumX] haze on mirrors?

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On Fri, 2012-10-05 at 10:26 -0700, Thomas Janstrom wrote:
>
> I know this going to sound silly, but you are using distilled water
> right? If so then that just leave the paper and possibly anything that
> might get transferred from your gloved hands to those towels.

I am very new to this vacuum thing, but I would guess that blowing water
off a mirror would be a good way to finish the cleaning process, but
apparently is not recommended. I've also been known to wash dirty
optical disks with a drop of soap and running water, then rinse, blow
the bulk of the water off by mouth, then spin the rest off in an old CD
drive. My thinking has been that touching the surface is not good, even
with soft paper, so I've looked at using streams of water and air to get
the job done. I also wonder if an ultrasonic cleaner might be useful?

Looks like these guys finish with alcohol and dry with paper towels of
some sort:
http://mthamilton.ucolick.org/public/tele_inst/2006Aluminizing/eg/

--
Kirk Wallace
http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/
http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/index.html
California, USA




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Well, I spent a little bit of time in a physics lab where they working with high vacuum. The technique they used most often was while wearing rubber gloves, rinse with acetone and wipe off with kimwipes.?


On 2012-10-04, at 2:59 PM, Guy Brandenburg <gfbrandenburg@...> wrote:

Every so often, I am recently finding that a haze remains on mirrors that I have cleaned and aluminized, even ones that I have stripped. I am wondering if it might be from the composition of the paper towels I use for the final drying...

Any thoughts?
?
Guy Brandenburg, Washington, DC?


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