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TIF 9100V Vacuum Pump Problem


 

As a retired electronic engineer, I have had at least a casual interest in both high-vacuum and mechanically-pumped vacuum techniques.
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Recently I ran into a vacuum problem with my TIF 9100V vacuum pump while pumping down the air-conditioning system of a Volvo.? Rather than the fault being in the pump, it seems to be a leak between the isolation valve and vacuum port of the system, as when the vacuum port is capped and the isolation valve closed, the six vacuum led indicators rather quickly go out (the vacuum gauge is connected between the valve and port).
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As this pumping system is mechanically complex to disassemble, I thought it wise to ask an appropriate interest group if members have encountered, diagnosed, and solved this problem.? But searching , I could not locate any professional HVAC groups.? Thus I was led to your vacuum group.? I hope this is not off-topic for this group
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Regards,
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Bruce Hunter
Mill Valley, CA


 

I am not sure this group is an ideal fit. Here we are fixated on vacuum?chambers for metal coating processes of telescope mirrors and such. MUCH higher vacuum levels than what AC units need.

"Always take the high road. There's less traffic."

-Christopher Erickson
Observatory Engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, Hawaii


On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 10:35 PM ebrucehunter via <Brucekareen=[email protected]> wrote:
As a retired electronic engineer, I have had at least a casual interest in both high-vacuum and mechanically-pumped vacuum techniques.
?
Recently I ran into a vacuum problem with my TIF 9100V vacuum pump while pumping down the air-conditioning system of a Volvo.? Rather than the fault being in the pump, it seems to be a leak between the isolation valve and vacuum port of the system, as when the vacuum port is capped and the isolation valve closed, the six vacuum led indicators rather quickly go out (the vacuum gauge is connected between the valve and port).
?
As this pumping system is mechanically complex to disassemble, I thought it wise to ask an appropriate interest group if members have encountered, diagnosed, and solved this problem.? But searching , I could not locate any professional HVAC groups.? Thus I was led to your vacuum group.? I hope this is not off-topic for this group
?
Regards,
?
Bruce Hunter
Mill Valley, CA


 

At least you can replace your pump for around $150. Our pumps are more in the multiple thousands or even tens-of-thousands range.

"Always take the high road. There's less traffic."

-Christopher Erickson
Observatory Engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, Hawaii


On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 10:40 PM Christopher Erickson via <christopher.k.erickson=[email protected]> wrote:

I am not sure this group is an ideal fit. Here we are fixated on vacuum?chambers for metal coating processes of telescope mirrors and such. MUCH higher vacuum levels than what AC units need.

"Always take the high road. There's less traffic."

-Christopher Erickson
Observatory Engineer
Summit Kinetics
Waikoloa, Hawaii


On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 10:35 PM ebrucehunter via <Brucekareen=[email protected]> wrote:
As a retired electronic engineer, I have had at least a casual interest in both high-vacuum and mechanically-pumped vacuum techniques.
?
Recently I ran into a vacuum problem with my TIF 9100V vacuum pump while pumping down the air-conditioning system of a Volvo.? Rather than the fault being in the pump, it seems to be a leak between the isolation valve and vacuum port of the system, as when the vacuum port is capped and the isolation valve closed, the six vacuum led indicators rather quickly go out (the vacuum gauge is connected between the valve and port).
?
As this pumping system is mechanically complex to disassemble, I thought it wise to ask an appropriate interest group if members have encountered, diagnosed, and solved this problem.? But searching , I could not locate any professional HVAC groups.? Thus I was led to your vacuum group.? I hope this is not off-topic for this group
?
Regards,
?
Bruce Hunter
Mill Valley, CA


 

On 24/4/22 6:40 pm, Christopher Erickson wrote:
I am not sure this group is an ideal fit. Here we are fixated on vacuum?chambers for metal coating processes of telescope mirrors and such. MUCH higher vacuum levels than what AC units need.
For anyone in Australia, i've got a vacuum chamber with thermostat heating (vacuum drying chamber with hinged door and glass window), and 2 or 3 vane pumps surplus. Can give more details.


 

Christopher and other members of this group,

I apologize for sending my stumbling inquiry about an A/C pump to this group.? I did so only because the group's core interest was not obvious from the masthead.

Nevertheless, I've had an interest in high vacuum techniques beginning as a youngster when constructing apparatus to generate microwaves at 100 GHz on a hobby basis.? In the late 1950's a researcher at Bell Laboratories developed an improved silicon material for diode frequency multipliers operating in that range.? I wrote and tried to beg a sample, but was told Bell Labs policies limited such distributions to educational institutions.? However, the researcher provided a detailed procedure for how I could create my own by evaporating a molecular layer of phosphorus on a silicon substrate.? I was in the midst of trying to figure out how to assemble the apparatus to do this when I was offered another position that totally consumed my free time and thought.

Later, my career later led to an involvement with high power transmitting vacuum tubes costing in the $100k range where vacuum maintenance was very important.? An interesting recollection was that one manufacturer shared their cost for electrical power to bake out one such type for months was in the $10k range.? This tube sold for about $100k.?

Now at 84, I probably will probably not be utilizing high-vacuum apparatus; however, I enjoy reading about the adventures and accomplishments of others.? So, thanks for allowing me to join this group.

Bruce Hunter
Mill Valley, California


 

It is easy to suppose that the inlet valve is leaking. This may be a spring steel flap? valve, where some dust particle might hold it off from sealing.
I don't see an alternative to inspecting this valve surface, unfortunately.?
A person skilled in that art might know a way to penetrate a solvent into the area, then thoroughly drain it, so as to flush out particles.

Good luck!

Brian Whatcott? Altus OK
On Sunday, April 24, 2022, 03:35:29 AM CDT, ebrucehunter via groups.io <brucekareen@...> wrote:


As a retired electronic engineer, I have had at least a casual interest in both high-vacuum and mechanically-pumped vacuum techniques.
?
Recently I ran into a vacuum problem with my TIF 9100V vacuum pump while pumping down the air-conditioning system of a Volvo.? Rather than the fault being in the pump, it seems to be a leak between the isolation valve and vacuum port of the system, as when the vacuum port is capped and the isolation valve closed, the six vacuum led indicators rather quickly go out (the vacuum gauge is connected between the valve and port).
?
As this pumping system is mechanically complex to disassemble, I thought it wise to ask an appropriate interest group if members have encountered, diagnosed, and solved this problem.? But searching , I could not locate any professional HVAC groups.? Thus I was led to your vacuum group.? I hope this is not off-topic for this group
?
Regards,
?
Bruce Hunter
Mill Valley, CA


 

Hello?Christopher, I think your in the right place.?
My next project is a vacuum chamber for putting the aluminum coating on amateur telescope mirrors.
I have (2) old Varian pumps,? a 1400 and 700, several defusion pumps.?
For the chamber I have an old water tank,? it's about 44 inches across.
?I'm just just so busy,? I've been gathering parts for over a year.?
Thanks Charles Cline?



On Sun, Apr 24, 2022 at 11:20 AM, Brian Whatcott
<betwys1@...> wrote:
It is easy to suppose that the inlet valve is leaking. This may be a spring steel flap? valve, where some dust particle might hold it off from sealing.
I don't see an alternative to inspecting this valve surface, unfortunately.?
A person skilled in that art might know a way to penetrate a solvent into the area, then thoroughly drain it, so as to flush out particles.

Good luck!

Brian Whatcott? Altus OK
On Sunday, April 24, 2022, 03:35:29 AM CDT, ebrucehunter via groups.io <brucekareen@...> wrote:


As a retired electronic engineer, I have had at least a casual interest in both high-vacuum and mechanically-pumped vacuum techniques.
?
Recently I ran into a vacuum problem with my TIF 9100V vacuum pump while pumping down the air-conditioning system of a Volvo.? Rather than the fault being in the pump, it seems to be a leak between the isolation valve and vacuum port of the system, as when the vacuum port is capped and the isolation valve closed, the six vacuum led indicators rather quickly go out (the vacuum gauge is connected between the valve and port).
?
As this pumping system is mechanically complex to disassemble, I thought it wise to ask an appropriate interest group if members have encountered, diagnosed, and solved this problem.? But searching , I could not locate any professional HVAC groups.? Thus I was led to your vacuum group.? I hope this is not off-topic for this group
?
Regards,
?
Bruce Hunter
Mill Valley, CA