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What a boring group! Can anyone give me a reason to keep it going?
There must be someone out there that is doing some vacuum work!

Ken Hunter

Those pumps must be huge to suck those tanks down to -6 or so!

I have a 30" +/- inch dia tank 3 feet high and wonder if my Diff
pumps can do the job... I'll get to try it if I ever find a house
here in Amarillo.

Ken

--- In VacuumX@..., camime1@a... wrote:

Dear Ken
Sure would like to do some vacuum deposition or coating...I have

four retorts

that are 5 Ft. Diameter X 9 Ft. long and they are just sitting

there waiting

for me to do something!!! Lots of little pieces to put together.

Have done

some coating on a lab scale and have seen some really big systems

over the years

but now I want to get into production. So where do we go from here?
Bill Lang..Stockton, CA

Looks like I stirred up the pot again...

I read the History of Vacuum several months ago and recommend it
highly! As far as giving up the moderator position...??? There's
nothing to moderate, so far it's the easiest job I've ever had!

Keep us informed on any goodies that you run across and don't forget
that it's perfectly OK to post FOR SALE or WANTED items here.

Ken Hunter

--- In VacuumX@..., RON WHITE <ron_white@s...> wrote:

Some of the posts have been vary helpful to me, I shut down my

shop because I decided to retire and get a real job so all of my
stuff is buried in storage. I'll be finishing the chamber as soon as
I make a spot at my house to put it. Maybe even make a new one. My
new job comes with all sorts of machining and welding capacity.

If the group doesn't require a lot of work, keep it open,

sometimes some neat stuff comes up,

If you want out of the moderator job perhaps I can take it over

for you rather than shut the group down. It would be nice if there
were more members to share info with, right now my vacuum project is
on hold but I'll be getting back to it soon and I know I'll need
some help when I do.

Part of my job is working with some vacuum industry manufactures

and these guys can be a great resource as well.

Regards,

Ron White

PS good luck in finding a new place, I AIN"T never moving –to much

work

Ken Hunter <atm_ken_hunter@y...> wrote:


What a boring group! Can anyone give me a reason to keep it going?
There must be someone out there that is doing some vacuum work!

Ken Hunter




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In a message dated 7/25/03 5:54:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
atm_ken_hunter@... writes:

I read the History of Vacuum several months ago and recommend it
highly!

I read it too. There wasn't much there! %^)

Dominic DiLeo

Particularly if its for sale in Australia.
Charles

Keep us informed on any goodies that you run across and don't forget
that it's perfectly OK to post FOR SALE or WANTED items here.

Ken Hunter

I just got lost in thought. It was unfamiliar territory.

--- In VacuumX@..., "Ken Hunter" <atm_ken_hunter@y...> wrote:

What a boring group! Can anyone give me a reason to keep it going?
There must be someone out there that is doing some vacuum work!

(just found this msg, since I just joined)

Well, given that it's a somewhat specialized field of interest, and stumbled across it
quite by accident, you might need to allow some time for others to do the same, or
find a way to promote it. Have you posted anything about this group to The Bell Jar?

I mentioned your group to two others, and will probably also post it to a couple of
other mailing lists I'm on.

Hi Bill,

Thanks for stopping by and joining... I searched and searched for a
forum and found the Bell Jar too... seems they are on a "linear
track". They started out simple and progressed to complex in short
order then for all practical purposes disappeared from the net. So I
strarted up this group. Participation goes in spurts and I have to
stir the pot every so often to get some posts on here... Not really
thinking of pulling the plug.

;o)

Ken Hunter

--- In VacuumX@..., "Bill Lemieux" <gomez@o...> wrote:

--- In VacuumX@..., "Ken Hunter" <atm_ken_hunter@y...>

wrote:

What a boring group! Can anyone give me a reason to keep it

going?

There must be someone out there that is doing some vacuum work!

(just found this msg, since I just joined)

Well, given that it's a somewhat specialized field of interest,

and stumbled across it

quite by accident, you might need to allow some time for others to

do the same, or

find a way to promote it. Have you posted anything about this

group to The Bell Jar?

I mentioned your group to two others, and will probably also post

it to a couple of

other mailing lists I'm on.

On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 04:17 PM, Ken Hunter wrote:

Hi Bill,

Thanks for stopping by and joining... I searched and searched for a
forum and found the Bell Jar too... seems they are on a "linear
track". They started out simple and progressed to complex in short
order then for all practical purposes disappeared from the net.

I thought The Bell Jar was sort of a internet tie-in to the paper
publication. Is that still around?

So I started up this group. Participation goes in spurts and I have to
stir the pot every so often to get some posts on here...

That's the way most special interest groups are, it seems. Once I get a
digital camera, I'll post some pics of my system, and later, some related
projects.

Not really thinking of pulling the plug.

Cool.

- Bill "Gomez" Lemieux

.................................
1 megafurlong per microfortnight-
it's not just a good idea,
it's the law.

I thought The Bell Jar was sort of a internet tie-in to the paper
publication. Is that still around?

I haven't kept up on the Bell Jar as they were heading into deeper
water than I could swim in and had progressed to projects that I
wasn't interested in.

I'm hoping that we can keep this forum mainly for the beginning
vacuum enthusiast. It surely doesn't hurt to have some of our
members that are well versed in the details and have years of
experience in vacuum work though! They are a great resource but I
find that the other web resources I'm finding are mainly for PRO's
with deep pockets. For instance, on one forum I asked a question
about glow discharge cleaning and got many replies from folks trying
to sell me hardware with beginning prices well over $20,000.

I probably won't have $20,000 tied up in my whole vacuum coating
system (including the cost of the building). I am a beginner, a
novice, it's a hobby and I'm just NOT interested in what happens on
the sub-atomic level or in using calculus to figure the details for
multi-layer coatings.

I just want to make the glass shiny!

Ken Hunter

On Thursday, August 28, 2003, at 10:06 AM, Ken Hunter wrote:

I thought The Bell Jar was sort of a internet tie-in to the paper
publication. Is that still around?

I haven't kept up on the Bell Jar as they were heading into deeper
water than I could swim in and had progressed to projects that I
wasn't interested in.

I've been thinking of picking up one of the printed collections of older
issues, but if they're into serious esoterica, I may reconsider.

I'm hoping that we can keep this forum mainly for the beginning
vacuum enthusiast.

Fine by me, because that's what I am!

It surely doesn't hurt to have some of our
members that are well versed in the details and have years of
experience in vacuum work though! They are a great resource but I
find that the other web resources I'm finding are mainly for PRO's
with deep pockets. For instance, on one forum I asked a question
about glow discharge cleaning and got many replies from folks trying
to sell me hardware with beginning prices well over $20,000.

Hahaha. I went to an auction in Boulder for a company that had made
micro-electro-optic devices, and they had a number of plasma cleaning
devices that they had home-made from microwave ovens, home-brew acrylic (!)
chambers and other such stuff.

I probably won't have $20,000 tied up in my whole vacuum coating
system (including the cost of the building). I am a beginner, a
novice, it's a hobby and I'm just NOT interested in what happens on
the sub-atomic level or in using calculus to figure the details for
multi-layer coatings.

Ditto!

- Gomez

............................................................
The Mad Scientists Club: equations solved, tigers castrated,
virgins enlightened, computers verified, taverns drained,
doomsdays averted, governments run, test rockets piloted,
liberties preserved, revolutions quelled (or started),
despots overthrown, dominant paradigms subverted.