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Re: RA8875 display problems with T4.x - a visual study

 

Circuit and sw details on splitting the functions over two processors?

Maybe one of the mcu's could be a T4.0 to save some bucks?


Re: RA8875 display problems with T4.x - a visual study

 

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First off, you need to have a good calibrated signal generator… calibrated in db (or mv so that you can convert to db) that is either variable output or you have a good/accurate variable attenuator.? I have both and I test them against each other because there is a very slight variation of about 0.5 db between them.

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I have an old Agilent N5182 and it will output a signal down to -110 db (and I can use a variable attenuator that).? ! connect the signal generator via the attenuator to the radio RF input.? Turn the radio on, set the radio and signal generator to a frequency (lets say 10.0000000 MHZ for kicks)… the signal generator acts like a dummy load (has adjustable impedance to match output power setting).? I start at about -150 db on CW, turn the radio volume way up in SSB (important… specified filter), and then start lowering the attenuation until I FIRST notice a signal.? Now you can also so this with an RMS volt meter on the speaker leads but I find I don’t need to do that.? Find the point where I initially hear the signal generator and subtract 1 db.? that is the sensitivity; and the input in mv for (S+N)/N that gives 10 db.

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It's a bit black magic but as long as you are consistent (and have a reference that someone else did to calibrate your readings to) its OK.? I have several radios on Sherwoods list to use as references.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Greg KF5N via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2025 6:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] RA8875 display problems with T4.x - a visual study

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What I'm looking for is the measuring procedure including the instruments you used to get the 100 dB and 78 dB numbers.
I would like to run the same procedure on my radios to see what I get.

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73 Greg KF5N


Re: More testing on PA

 

Hi Tim-
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Check out this post I made a while ago with some videos showing sweeps of the amplifier:

/g/SoftwareControlledHamRadio/message/31850
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You have to be careful with the input drive level to keep the amplifier out of compression.
If it compresses at the low frequency end, it will give a false impression of gain flatness.
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I'm not in front of my own Siglent VNA, but I think the lowest output of the TG is -10dBm.
So you might need to combine that with an attenuator on the input to get a linear (no compression) sweep.
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73 Greg KF5N


Re: More testing on PA

 

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Yeah, that’s what mine looks like too. ??Glad you found the issue.? ?I’ve sold over 1,000 of those PA semi-kits now and I’ve only had three people have issues since I started selling them.? One was a power lead reversal (YIKES)… Its pretty simple… not much to go wrong.

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One thing on my to-do list is to put together a list of test points with voltages and wave forms for all of the T41 boards… and my/ mine and Olivers boards and kits.? So many things to do and never enough time!

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

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Owner – Operator

Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

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Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Tim via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, April 6, 2025 3:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] More testing on PA

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I rewound t1,2 and 3. Tested between each rewind, tuned out T3 was culprit, easiest to wind! Not sure what it was ,I may have had a solder bridge across C25 which on revised board is right next to center tap pad. I would suggest moving that if you revise board. Seems very easy to bridge when soldering center tap windings.

100pF across primary, 7 turns on L2 (enamel wire).

I may play a bit with cap across primary but it looks so much nicer now I may just leave it alone!

Tim?


Re: More testing on PA

 

Better Scale


Re: More testing on PA

 

I rewound t1,2 and 3. Tested between each rewind, tuned out T3 was culprit, easiest to wind! Not sure what it was ,I may have had a solder bridge across C25 which on revised board is right next to center tap pad. I would suggest moving that if you revise board. Seems very easy to bridge when soldering center tap windings.
100pF across primary, 7 turns on L2 (enamel wire).
I may play a bit with cap across primary but it looks so much nicer now I may just leave it alone!
Tim?


Boards and Kits

 

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I’m back for a while and working on kits again.? I put a very high priority on the new Display Driver board that fixes the T41 display freeze issue and allows a nice long cable to the display.? I offer a 3.3V ONLY kit and a 3.3V and 5V kit (until I run out of 3.3V kits… then I will only stock the combo 3.3V and 5V kit).? ??I’m still writing the assembly manual for the display kits but it should be done by this afternoon.? I will order the last few parts for them today… I should have them by Tuesday and will begin shipping them then.? Also new to the list is the 20W Dummy Load/ 40 db attenuator tap for the calibration steps.? I’ve attached the full list so you can look it over if you need something.?? Those boards and Kits with $0.00 are not in stock.? Remember, don’t send me money, I’ll invoice you… and make SURE you include your address.? All prices below are without shipping, taxes, and Paypal fee.?

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I will be at FDIM Thursday night… and have a booth at Hamvention (Booth 4111 in Building 4) where we will have a special guest… Al Peter to show off the T41 and answer any questions.? I will be selling boards and kits both places and you won’t have to pay shipping on them if you carry them away.

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Respond via my private email bill@... as to not clog the space here with our transactions.

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

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Owner – Operator

Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

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Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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Re: Updated book; not available on amazon uk

 

I don't know how long it takes for US changes to ripple through the system. I would write Amazon.UK and try to get an answer.

Jack, W8TEE

On Sunday, April 6, 2025 at 12:24:14 PM EDT, Gareth Evans via groups.io <headstone255@...> wrote:


As per title






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Updated book; not available on amazon uk

 

As per title


Re: 4SQRP T41 Assembled/Tested Radio for sale

 

It has beeen sold
Frank


Re: RA8875 display problems with T4.x - a visual study

 

What I'm looking for is the measuring procedure including the instruments you used to get the 100 dB and 78 dB numbers.
I would like to run the same procedure on my radios to see what I get.
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73 Greg KF5N


Re: RA8875 display problems with T4.x - a visual study

 

Hi Bill, 100 dB relative to what? How did you measure that?
**** I'm guessing -100dBm. dB relative to 1 mW.

- Jerry, KF6VB


Re: RA8875 display problems with T4.x - a visual study

 

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Well there is no real absolute way its done as you probably know, you first need to determine the noise floor (for the mode) and that is usually the point at which the (S+N)/N = 3db (and of course, its bandwidth sensitive and frequency dependent).? If all you are interested in is the absolute noise floor at a frequency you can do this with a dummy load. ??Then the radio sensitivity is the point 10 db = (S+N)/N.? This is the point at which the signal is 10 db stronger than the receiver noise (Definition for voice comms and there are a couple of ways to do this… but most commonly with a signal generator, a good adjustable attenuator).? If you do this in CW with a narrow filter it’s taken to be 3 db.? [I could write a book here but wont]

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For the two V11 and V12 radio display impact, the difference between the display handling stuff is to determine the noise floors for each… difference them. ?Its not completely fair but it is representative.

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner – Operator

Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

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Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Greg KF5N via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2025 4:25 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] RA8875 display problems with T4.x - a visual study

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Hi Bill, 100 dB relative to what?? How did you measure that?

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73 Greg KF5N


Re: Update now available

 

That was changed...don't know why it wasn't updated.

Jack, W8TEE

On Saturday, April 5, 2025 at 03:42:45 PM EDT, K9HZ <bill@...> wrote:


?“The latest (V12) PCBs are available for less than $5 each on the web site (/g/SoftwareControlledHamRadio). If you wish, pre-fabricated PCBs with all SMD devices already on the board are available as a semi-kit from 4SQRP (see http://www.4sqrp.com/index.php for details).”

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Yikes this is outdated…

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner – Operator

Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Oliver KI3P via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2025 2:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] Update now available

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I think this is the correct link:



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On 4/5/25 1:04 PM, jjpurdum via groups.io wrote:

All:

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Just heard from Amazon and the updated version is now being advertised:

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Jack, W8TEE


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Re: RA8875 display problems with T4.x - a visual study

 

Hi Bill, 100 dB relative to what?? How did you measure that?
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73 Greg KF5N


Re: Update now available

 

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?“The latest (V12) PCBs are available for less than $5 each on the web site (/g/SoftwareControlledHamRadio). If you wish, pre-fabricated PCBs with all SMD devices already on the board are available as a semi-kit from 4SQRP (see http://www.4sqrp.com/index.php for details).”

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Yikes this is outdated…

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

?

Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner – Operator

Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

?

email:? bill@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Oliver KI3P via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2025 2:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] Update now available

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I think this is the correct link:



-------- Original Message --------
On 4/5/25 1:04 PM, jjpurdum via groups.io wrote:

All:

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Just heard from Amazon and the updated version is now being advertised:

Inline image

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Jack, W8TEE


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Re: Update now available

 

I think this is the correct link:
https://a.co/d/7OvoqhH



-------- Original Message --------
On 4/5/25 1:04 PM, jjpurdum via groups.io wrote:
All:

Just heard from Amazon and the updated version is now being advertised:
Inline image

Jack, W8TEE


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Re: T41 T41EEE.9 Firmware Release

 

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Ah… old fashion Automatic Volume Control (AVC) dated from the old tube radios…to control the volume of the radio as to not blow out your ear drums… ?as opposed to RF Gain (or Automatic Gain Control) that prevents over-driving the snot out of the radio RF circuits (like the front end!) causing flat-topping, distortion, etc.? Someone was using that audio library to do that too (can’t remember who… slept since)… but it works extremely well as the video shows.

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The uBITx people are using term AGC for AVC.

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner – Operator

Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Greg KF5N via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2025 7:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] T41 T41EEE.9 Firmware Release

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Demo of the new AGC in T41EEE.9:

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Compressor2 is part of the Open Audio Library.? Bob's Tiny Ten Transceiver uses it in the audio data path.
This seemed to be a natural replacement for the code inherited from the SDR Convolution receiver.

I tried it, and WOW it works great!

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The Open Audio Library:

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Compressor2 is also used in the transmitter path along with the CESSB module.? Good stuff!

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73 Greg KF5N


Re: Where can I purchase V12 pc boards for the T41-EP SDT?

 

if you are in the UK i have a spare set


Re: More testing on PA

 

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Yeah another mistake is pulling the wire so tight that is scrapes the enamel off the wire between turns and shorts them together.? I am guilty of doing that…

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch – K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner – Operator

Villa Grand Piton – J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Tim via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2025 12:53 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] More testing on PA

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I can see me messing up those?

I will rewind for grins.

Tim?