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Re: TTiny85 and Revers Polarity Protection

 

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I think Oliver answered this perfectly but to reiterate¡­

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The Main board was designed so that when building it¡­ you can select ONE of TWO options.

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OPTION 1:?? You can select the Reverse Polarity option¡­ which is essentially the kit that Oliver and I are selling built into the Main board.? It does not allow reverse voltage to flow if you connect your radio backwards.? If you select this option, you CANNOT do option #2.

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OPTION 2:? This option is the soft-on-off approach to controlling the power to the radio.? Push the momentary contact button once and the radio comes on.? Then, later, push the button again momentarily and the power goes off¡­ but before it does, it can run routines in the radio to do shutdown stuff¡­ like put up a splash screen, save things you have selected to the memory card, etc.¡­ then turn off¡­ until the next push on again.? You don¡¯t get the reverse polarity protection of OPTION #1 using OPTION #2¡­ BUT you CAN add one of our stand-alone reverse polarity kits and essentially get both for less than $10.

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The schematic show part positions for both options¡­ and the BOM and build instructions have BLUE writing for one option and RED for the other.? The ATTiny85 is for OPTION #2 and was selected because it took up less board space than the flip-flops needed otherwise to do the same thing¡­ and is programmable (!) for software timing and other things using its spare pins (like turning on and off the display at a different time¡­ sequencing).

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

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Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

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Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Saturday, August 3, 2024 6:32 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] TTiny85 and Revers Polarity Protection

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Fellow ham and I are starting the main board consy. Following Dr. Bill's comprehensive instructions we are a little confused regarding the use of Reverse Polarity Protection along with the TTiny85. Option 3 states "...ATTiny85 was shipped with your V012 board sets. If you don't want to use this module, please populate the two parts shown in the blue box on the schematic and blue on the BOM..." Does this mean the TTiny85 provides Polarity Protection? I am thinking that if I don't want to use the TTINY85, then I should install the parts in red.

Hope this makes sense

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Re: 192kHz usb audio patch for Teensyduino - testers?

 

The Audio Library patch is completely independent of the T41 hardware and software versions. The patch just provides the capability; the?T41 software would then need to be enhanced to use this new capability.

-Dave


On Sun, 4 Aug 2024 at 13:38, K9HZ <bill@...> wrote:

But are you working with a V11 system or a V12 system?

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Re: Display Disassembly

 

If the connectors between the LCD panel and the PC board are the same, you could use AdaFruit's RA8875 controller board instead (if your rework of the board to replace the chip fails).

Being a QFTP type package, it should be possible to replace the chip, unless it has a thermal pad on the bottom, then it gets dicey.

Good luck!


Re: BPF board

 

Nice! I'm working on a article for winding toroids. Could I use this image? I would give credit to you, of course.


Jack, W8TEE

On Saturday, August 3, 2024 at 10:57:14 PM EDT, Paul KL7FLR <657subguy@...> wrote:


A long time ago winding a toroid for a balun wasn¡¯t too bad as they were large, easy to hold for winding and not too many at a time. Fast forward 25 years and holding these little buggers isn¡¯t so easy with arthritic hands and the number that needs to be wound. I made a simple tool to help me out and made winding a toroid a less of a pain. The top toroid is a T-37 and the lower is one for the bandpass board. One tool for many sizes although I did make another spindle for the larger sizes. These attach to a 3¡±x3¡± 3/4'¡¯ steel base with rubber feet so you don¡¯t chase it around when using it. The spindles are hardwood, your choice; oak, maple or whatever is at hand. A shallow groove in the spindle will allow you to pass the wire up for each turn then lifting the toroid up and slightly rotated and set back down to secure the wire. Rinse and repeat until done. I fear No toroid!

Paul KL7FLR


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Jack, W8TEE


Re: 192kHz usb audio patch for Teensyduino - testers?

 

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But are you working with a V11 system or a V12 system?

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

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Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

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Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of david mugridge
Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2024 3:31 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] 192kHz usb audio patch for Teensyduino - testers?

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Bill,

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>> What version of code are you modifying?

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I'm modifying Teensyduino V1.59, and modified a few files in the <core> section (). I've tested it on Windows Arduino 1.8.19 (portable mode) and Windows Arduino 2.3.2.

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Dave M0JTS

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Re: 192kHz usb audio patch for Teensyduino - testers?

 

Bill,
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>> What version of code are you modifying?
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I'm modifying Teensyduino V1.59, and modified a few files in the <core> section (). I've tested it on Windows Arduino 1.8.19 (portable mode) and Windows Arduino 2.3.2.
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Dave M0JTS
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Re: 192kHz usb audio patch for Teensyduino - testers?

 

On 2024-08-03 15:43, K9HZ wrote:
I looked at this myself. I dont think it makes sense to run the
complete radio that way¡­
*** I once tried operating with my KWM-2 using USB audio. Well, I had this
gadget with a Teensy that massaged the outgoing audio. I was working on the Teensy program, and discovered that the USB supported audio transfer into a software PC device.

I discovered that I could NOT send CW with this setup, because there was too much
delay in the USB audio.

I suspect there will be a similar delay in I/Q input.

- Jerry, KF6VB


Re: BPF board

 

A long time ago winding a toroid for a balun wasn¡¯t too bad as they were large, easy to hold for winding and not too many at a time. Fast forward 25 years and holding these little buggers isn¡¯t so easy with arthritic hands and the number that needs to be wound. I made a simple tool to help me out and made winding a toroid a less of a pain. The top toroid is a T-37 and the lower is one for the bandpass board. One tool for many sizes although I did make another spindle for the larger sizes. These attach to a 3¡±x3¡± 3/4'¡¯ steel base with rubber feet so you don¡¯t chase it around when using it. The spindles are hardwood, your choice; oak, maple or whatever is at hand. A shallow groove in the spindle will allow you to pass the wire up for each turn then lifting the toroid up and slightly rotated and set back down to secure the wire. Rinse and repeat until done. I fear No toroid!

Paul KL7FLR


Re: New List for KITS and such...

 

Bill,

Please add me for:
? ? ?20A and 50A voltage protection kits.
? ? ?Power distribution kit.
? ? ?ATTiny85?
? ? ?PE4302 attenuator chips for 2 receivers
? ? ?LC Meter Kit

Thanks
Stephen Loftus KA1ROI

  1. Reverse voltage protection kits¡­. Either 20A or 50A or both.
  2. Power distribution kit¡­
  3. Reprogrammed ATTiny85 for your V12 T41 based on Jerry¡¯s code¡­ (buy a new one for $2.10 or send yours back to get reprogrammed free).
  4. PE4302 attenuator chips¡­. I have a few hundred.? (I need to fond what I paid for them).
  5. LC Meter kit when finished.


On Sat, Aug 3, 2024 at 3:56?PM Alan Whitman via <alan7114p=[email protected]> wrote:
Bill,
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please put me on the list for:
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1ea. 20A and 1ea. 50A
2ea. Power distribution kits
1ea. AT Tiny
?? Attenuator chips (however many I need for a V.12 with 2 receivers)
1ea. LC Meter
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I¡¯m not in any hurry, so please fill others first.?

Thanks!
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73 de Alan K6ZY


Re: TTiny85 and Revers Polarity Protection

 

You have to choose between the ATTiny85 part of the circuit and the reverse polarity protection part -- you can't install both parts because they will interfere with each other. If you install the ATTiny85 part, you won't have reverse polarity protection.
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So you are correct that if you don't want to use the ATTiny85, you must install the reverse polarity components (Q1,D5,R16).
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Cheers,
Oliver KI3P


TTiny85 and Revers Polarity Protection

 

Fellow ham and I are starting the main board consy. Following Dr. Bill's comprehensive instructions we are a little confused regarding the use of Reverse Polarity Protection along with the TTiny85. Option 3 states "...ATTiny85 was shipped with your V012 board sets. If you don't want to use this module, please populate the two parts shown in the blue box on the schematic and blue on the BOM..." Does this mean the TTiny85 provides Polarity Protection? I am thinking that if I don't want to use the TTINY85, then I should install the parts in red.
Hope this makes sense
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Re: 192kHz usb audio patch for Teensyduino - testers?

 

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Next main board revision¡­


Dr.?William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com


email:??bill@...

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On Aug 3, 2024, at 3:14?PM, jjpurdum via groups.io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:

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Again, I'm really bad at EE topics, but in all fairness, Al designed the T41 ADC processing 5 years ago and COVID was just starting to rear its ugly head. At that time, some high performance ADCs were almost $60 each, which seems out of reach at the time. Today, ADCs with 500ksps are around $15. My guess is that it would be doable now without breaking the bank.

Jack, W8TEE

On Saturday, August 3, 2024 at 02:16:19 PM EDT, ken WA2MZE <wa2mze@...> wrote:


I was wondering about using the USB interface on the T41 as a "sound
card" interface.? Then you could plug the T41SDT into your computer and
run GNU radio.? Now I know the whole idea behind the T41EP software is a
'stand alone' radio that doesn't need a PC. However, it might be
interesting to run it the other way as well. If in the future the
hardware could be upgraded to faster ADC's in the receiver side (394khz
sampling rate or higher) you would be able to see a wider slice of
spectrum in the FFT display running under GNU radio.? A poor man's Flex
radio?









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Jack, W8TEE


Re: 192kHz usb audio patch for Teensyduino - testers?

 

I've successfully used WSJT-X with Windows 11 with the T41 passing audio over USB along with control signals.? I patched the 192 kHz sampled audio to an AudioOutputUSB and it is transferred to the PC without distortion.? Other than having to pass the audio through an AudioAmplifier object first, no other audio code changes were needed.


Re: 192kHz usb audio patch for Teensyduino - testers?

 

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I looked at this myself. ?I dont think it makes sense to run the complete radio that way¡­ rather you would take the I/Q input and outputs from the RF board straight into the appropriate audio card in the computer, and then use [your fav SDT program here] to direct the audio card in the computer as its interface while using USB cat control to run the radio functions (set mode, frequency, t/r, etc). That actually works today just plugging cables in different places. ?

Bice versa¡­ if you have another SDT/ SDR that you want to use with the T41?main/display/ demod/mod.. you can do that too with a small bot of work.?


Dr.?William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com


email:??bill@...

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On Aug 3, 2024, at 2:16?PM, ken WA2MZE <wa2mze@...> wrote:

?I was wondering about using the USB interface on the T41 as a "sound card" interface.? Then you could plug the T41SDT into your computer and run GNU radio.? Now I know the whole idea behind the T41EP software is a 'stand alone' radio that doesn't need a PC. However, it might be interesting to run it the other way as well. If in the future the hardware could be upgraded to faster ADC's in the receiver side (394khz sampling rate or higher) you would be able to see a wider slice of spectrum in the FFT display running under GNU radio.? A poor man's Flex radio?









Re: 192kHz usb audio patch for Teensyduino - testers?

 

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What version of code are you modifying?


Dr.?William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ

?

Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com


email:??bill@...

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On Aug 3, 2024, at 10:33?AM, david mugridge <dave@...> wrote:

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I¡¯m interested in digital modes and want to use the T41's usb interface for audio. However the standard Audio Library only supports usb-audio for the default 44,100 Hz sample rate. Unfortunately since the T41 code increases the sample rate to 192kHz (via the call to SetI2SFreq()) this breaks the usb-audio - any audio received or transmitted at this sample rate is severely distorted.


I¡¯ve been working on source-code changes to the Audio Library (7x Teensyduino source files changed), and now have 192kHz usb-audio working on my Windows pc. With quick hacks to the T41 code I have also confirmed that the radio works for both receive and transmit with wsjt-x. (the T41 code would need extra work to integrate usb-audio properly, including CAT support).

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The patch requires Teensyduino Version 1.59 and either Arduino 1.8.19 or Arduino 2.3.2.


I¡¯m wondering whether there is sufficient interest in my Audio Library patch, and if so, whether a small number of ¡°beta tester¡± volunteers would be willing to further test it before I make the patch and installation instructions generally available. Ideally the volunteers would have good programming and fault diagnosis skills (in case things go wrong), a Teensy 4.1 with an Audio Shield fitted, and an oscilloscope to confirm the correct waveforms . It would be great if one or more volunteers can test it on linux (both the development environment and as a linux audio host).

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Volunteers please contact me direct. All feedback welcome.

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Rgds,

Dave Mugridge M0JTS

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Re: BPF board

 

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Remember¡­ you CAN use canned smd inductors and variable caps if you want to save time. ?You still have to tune the filters though. ?


Dr.?William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ

?

Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com


email:??bill@...

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On Aug 3, 2024, at 9:26?AM, JP McGinley via groups.io <j.p.mcg@...> wrote:

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Jack,
? Did you keep track of how much time to wind 45 toroids? My hands are aching just watching that pic.?

JP
KA3BWP


Re: [AmateurRadioBuilders] BPF board

 

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Looking good!


Dr.?William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ

?

Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com


email:??bill@...

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On Aug 3, 2024, at 8:59?AM, Jack, W8TEE via groups.io <jjpurdum@...> wrote:

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Taa-Daa! It took me longer to finish this board than I expected, but it's pretty much done.

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I'll hot glue the coils in place after I've tested it.

Jack, W8TEE

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Jack, W8TEE
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Re: BPF board

 

Jack, your board looks great!
Russ NQ0U


Re: New List for KITS and such...

Alan Whitman
 

Bill,
?
please put me on the list for:
?
1ea. 20A and 1ea. 50A
2ea. Power distribution kits
1ea. AT Tiny
?? Attenuator chips (however many I need for a V.12 with 2 receivers)
1ea. LC Meter
?

I¡¯m not in any hurry, so please fill others first.?

Thanks!
--
73 de Alan K6ZY


Re: 192kHz usb audio patch for Teensyduino - testers?

 

Again, I'm really bad at EE topics, but in all fairness, Al designed the T41 ADC processing 5 years ago and COVID was just starting to rear its ugly head. At that time, some high performance ADCs were almost $60 each, which seems out of reach at the time. Today, ADCs with 500ksps are around $15. My guess is that it would be doable now without breaking the bank.

Jack, W8TEE

On Saturday, August 3, 2024 at 02:16:19 PM EDT, ken WA2MZE <wa2mze@...> wrote:


I was wondering about using the USB interface on the T41 as a "sound
card" interface.? Then you could plug the T41SDT into your computer and
run GNU radio.? Now I know the whole idea behind the T41EP software is a
'stand alone' radio that doesn't need a PC. However, it might be
interesting to run it the other way as well. If in the future the
hardware could be upgraded to faster ADC's in the receiver side (394khz
sampling rate or higher) you would be able to see a wider slice of
spectrum in the FFT display running under GNU radio.? A poor man's Flex
radio?









--
Jack, W8TEE