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Re: boards and kits and stuff

 

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That can work!

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

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Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

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Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of jjpurdum via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2025 8:17 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] boards and kits and stuff

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I will have my 7" system ready in about 4 days, if that's quick enough.

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Jack, W8TEE

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On Tuesday, March 18, 2025 at 07:46:01 PM EDT, K9HZ <bill@...> wrote:

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Hey for those that want boards, I¡¯ll be in town for about 5 days so now it the time to order¡­

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ALSO I¡¯d like to get a couple of these display driver boards into peoples hands (yes, build and free) to see if they work.? Everyone of my 4 radios is in a different state and I don¡¯t really have the freeze-up issue¡­ but I do want to fix it permanently.

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

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Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

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Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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Jack, W8TEE


Re: boards and kits and stuff

 

Wait a minute, Bill: my system at the present time does not freeze up, so that might not do you any good.

Jack, W8TEE



On Tuesday, March 18, 2025 at 07:46:01 PM EDT, K9HZ <bill@...> wrote:


Hey for those that want boards, I¡¯ll be in town for about 5 days so now it the time to order¡­

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ALSO I¡¯d like to get a couple of these display driver boards into peoples hands (yes, build and free) to see if they work.? Everyone of my 4 radios is in a different state and I don¡¯t really have the freeze-up issue¡­ but I do want to fix it permanently.

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

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Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

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Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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Jack, W8TEE


Re: boards and kits and stuff

 

I will have my 7" system ready in about 4 days, if that's quick enough.

Jack, W8TEE

On Tuesday, March 18, 2025 at 07:46:01 PM EDT, K9HZ <bill@...> wrote:


Hey for those that want boards, I¡¯ll be in town for about 5 days so now it the time to order¡­

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ALSO I¡¯d like to get a couple of these display driver boards into peoples hands (yes, build and free) to see if they work.? Everyone of my 4 radios is in a different state and I don¡¯t really have the freeze-up issue¡­ but I do want to fix it permanently.

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

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Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

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Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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Jack, W8TEE


boards and kits and stuff

 

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Hey for those that want boards, I¡¯ll be in town for about 5 days so now it the time to order¡­

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ALSO I¡¯d like to get a couple of these display driver boards into peoples hands (yes, build and free) to see if they work.? Everyone of my 4 radios is in a different state and I don¡¯t really have the freeze-up issue¡­ but I do want to fix it permanently.

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

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Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

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Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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Re: Tiny Ten Transceiver

 

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Well¡­ Noise.? Here are some things Oliver and I did with the T41 RF board to make the sensitivity and noise figure spectacular for the T41¡­

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  1. 4 layer board with V+ bus and GND inside to shield the layers.? Use software to work Impedance.? Isolate LO lines.
  2. Bypass the CRAP out of the power bus¡­ plenty of chokes.
  3. I found some extremely low noise instrument amps for the Salen filters and followers¡­ at least 10 db better than what most used.? Keeps the s/n very low.
  4. Very low noise front-end RF amplifier and very low gain (it could be increased if needed).? Gain could be increased by 10-15db if wanted.

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What else could be done?? Most noise after that from above comes in through the A/D and D/A¡¯s.? If I were going to upgrade the anything in this area¡­ two things come to mind.? Higher performance A/D and D/A parts (but they will be a lot more expensive LTC2217 etc.)¡­ and much lower noise power regulators to use with the A/D and D/A¡¯s (which is where most of the noise comes from since the signal gets referenced to an internal ref voltage or the original Vcc).? I would use the Linear LT3040, LTC3045, etc. where the PSSR is better than the existing noise level.? These things are at least 30 db better than those Murata devices discussed here¡­ and maybe 20 db better than a standard LDO linear regulator.

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I looked for a better mixer but there are very few parts as good as the 3253.

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

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Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

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Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Larkin
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2025 4:14 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] Tiny Ten Transceiver

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This is another update on my Tiny Ten transceiver, and particularly one trying to understand noise figure issues with the receiver side. ?I have done noise figure and distortion measurements and posted data. See

down near the bottom at, "Dynamic Range, Noise Figure and Distortion" and at, "Noise Figure of the Mixer Alone."

This receiver circuit is closely related to that of the T41 and other QSD projects, so maybe there is other noise figure data around to compare with?? I'm still hunting for the source of about 10 dB of extra noise! ? Any thoughts on this?

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Thanks, and 73, Bob? W7PUA


Re: Tiny Ten Transceiver

 

This is another update on my Tiny Ten transceiver, and particularly one trying to understand noise figure issues with the receiver side. ?I have done noise figure and distortion measurements and posted data. See
http://www.janbob.com/electron/TinyTen/TinyTen.htm
down near the bottom at, "Dynamic Range, Noise Figure and Distortion" and at, "Noise Figure of the Mixer Alone."
This receiver circuit is closely related to that of the T41 and other QSD projects, so maybe there is other noise figure data around to compare with?? I'm still hunting for the source of about 10 dB of extra noise! ? Any thoughts on this?
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Thanks, and 73, Bob? W7PUA


Re: T41 V66.4 with Code Revisions

 

Hardware was issue.
I was testing 3rd party BPF that uses same bcd code as ours.
Looking for short now.
Tim


Re: T41 partially thawed

 

On 2025-03-17 17:29, Robert Luken W3RDL via groups.io wrote:
Jerry, do you have the part numbers for the regulators that you used?
OKI-78SR-5/1.5-W36-C
OKI-78SR-3.3/1.5-W36H-C

They cost about $5 apiece. The 5V one is a direct drop-in. For the 3.3V one,
you have to switch the wiring on two of the pins. Actually, you shift the regulator
over one pin and put a little wire to one of the pins. Because for some unfathomable
reason, linear 3v3 regulators don't have the standard 7805 pinout.

- Jerry, KF6VB


Re: T41 V66.4 with Code Revisions

 

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Something is wrong. ?The hardware is set up to select 17M and 10M differently. ? The truth table in in the design note directory, the I2C addresses document, the LPF tab. ?


Dr.?William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

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Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com


email:??bill@...

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On Mar 17, 2025, at 3:01?PM, Tim via groups.io <w4yn@...> wrote:

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This needs to be verified with others, I get same BPF for 17 and 10M.
17M BP looks OK?
10M it selects 17M filter bank.
I was about to pull all the torroids off and start over, I had another BPF board that uses BCD, (I installed 0 resistors and cut feed back to main) and it did exactly the same.
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Ver 66.? I think 66.4
Tim W4YN?


Re: T41 partially thawed

 

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Jerry, do you have the part numbers for the regulators that you used?

On 3/17/2025 1:38 PM, jerry-KF6VB via groups.io wrote:
On 2025-03-17 09:25, Kees Mos via groups.io wrote:
Robert:

Downloaded and compiled version 66.7 here. Works ok and no freeze.
(Still clicks when tuning though.)
What helped with me is keeping the Teensy cool. I use a small fan in
Justin's kit. Without fan version 66.2 also froze.

*** I keep mine cool by eliminating sources of heat.? I replaced the
linear 3-terminal regulators with Murata switchers.? No fan, no freezes.
Can't hear any noise from them.? Any noise is drowned out by the noise from
the display.? And the noise from the display is drowned out by band noise.

?????????????? - Jerry, KF6VB




Kees, PA0KME

Faster with LTO, 600mHz , Dual serial

Memory Usage on Teensy 4.1:
? FLASH: code:311516, data:133432, headers:8676?? free for
files:7672840
?? RAM1: variables:195712, code:287880, padding:7032?? free for local
variables:33664
?? RAM2: variables:483744? free for malloc/new:40544


Links:
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[1] /g/SoftwareControlledHamRadio/message/33073
[2] /mt/111726603/243852
[3] /g/SoftwareControlledHamRadio/post
[4] /g/SoftwareControlledHamRadio/editsub/243852
[5]
/g/SoftwareControlledHamRadio/leave/10484476/243852/1943518115/xyzzy





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Bob W3RDL


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Re: T41 Announcement from PJRC

 

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Yeah i wonder how that will go¡­ particularly the price curve. ?Although the customs forms for CA were always a problem for shipping and that wont be a problem any longer. ?


Dr.?William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

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Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com


email:??bill@...

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On Mar 17, 2025, at 3:30?PM, Greg KF5N via groups.io <greg.electricity@...> wrote:

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73 Greg KF5N


T41 Announcement from PJRC

 

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73 Greg KF5N


Re: T41 V66.4 with Code Revisions

 

Tnx OM I will start checking!
Tim?


Re: T41 V66.4 with Code Revisions

 

You can check the software to ensure that it didn't get messed up somehow. In BPF_Control.h, make sure that the definitions of the control words for those bands are OK:

#define BPF_BAND_10M ? ?0x0002
#define BPF_BAND_17M ? ?0x4000

Then, in BPF_Control.cpp, make sure that setBPFBand applies those control words:

? ? case BAND_17M:
? ? ? BPF_GPAB_state = BPF_BAND_17M;
? ? ? break;
? ? ...
? ? case BAND_10M:
? ? ? BPF_GPAB_state = BPF_BAND_10M;
????? break;

Finally, check that your definition of the bands structure in the ino file hasn't got messed up. Look for the bit that starts with this line:
struct band bands[NUMBER_OF_BANDS] =

If all those are correct, then the problem is in hardware. I'd look for a solder short somewhere in this part of the board:
image.png

The anode of D1 should go high when the 17m band is selected -- all other diode anodes should be low. The anode of D4 should go high when the 10m band is selected.
On Monday, March 17th, 2025 at 4:01 PM, Tim via groups.io <w4yn@...> wrote:

This needs to be verified with others, I get same BPF for 17 and 10M.
17M BP looks OK?
10M it selects 17M filter bank.
I was about to pull all the torroids off and start over, I had another BPF board that uses BCD, (I installed 0 resistors and cut feed back to main) and it did exactly the same.
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Ver 66.? I think 66.4
Tim W4YN?


Re: T41 V66.4 with Code Revisions

 

This needs to be verified with others, I get same BPF for 17 and 10M.
17M BP looks OK?
10M it selects 17M filter bank.
I was about to pull all the torroids off and start over, I had another BPF board that uses BCD, (I installed 0 resistors and cut feed back to main) and it did exactly the same.
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Ver 66.? I think 66.4
Tim W4YN?


Re: T41 partially thawed

 

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Jerry, I plan on building a new Main board with the regulators and heatsinks on the rear of the board so any heat from them doesn't go directly to the Teensy. I may try the switchers. My temp - ~42C in an air-conditioned room, would like more margin if used outdoors.

On 3/17/2025 1:38 PM, jerry-KF6VB via groups.io wrote:
On 2025-03-17 09:25, Kees Mos via groups.io wrote:
Robert:

Downloaded and compiled version 66.7 here. Works ok and no freeze.
(Still clicks when tuning though.)
What helped with me is keeping the Teensy cool. I use a small fan in
Justin's kit. Without fan version 66.2 also froze.

*** I keep mine cool by eliminating sources of heat.? I replaced the
linear 3-terminal regulators with Murata switchers.? No fan, no freezes.
Can't hear any noise from them.? Any noise is drowned out by the noise from
the display.? And the noise from the display is drowned out by band noise.

?????????????? - Jerry, KF6VB




Kees, PA0KME

Faster with LTO, 600mHz , Dual serial

Memory Usage on Teensy 4.1:
? FLASH: code:311516, data:133432, headers:8676?? free for
files:7672840
?? RAM1: variables:195712, code:287880, padding:7032?? free for local
variables:33664
?? RAM2: variables:483744? free for malloc/new:40544


Links:
------
[1] /g/SoftwareControlledHamRadio/message/33073
[2] /mt/111726603/243852
[3] /g/SoftwareControlledHamRadio/post
[4] /g/SoftwareControlledHamRadio/editsub/243852
[5]
/g/SoftwareControlledHamRadio/leave/10484476/243852/1943518115/xyzzy





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Bob W3RDL


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Re: T41 partially thawed

 

Robert, I think that is the best way to solve the problem.
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Kees, PA0KME


Re: T41 partially thawed

 

Just a little more free space. No difference in working.
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Kees,PA0KME


Re: T41 partially thawed

 

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Kees, thanks for the input. I have a 40mm Noctua fan for the Teensy and a 30mm fan mounted on the heatsinks. Temp runs 41.9C to 42.5C. I noticed that you're running at 46.4C. I'm not sure that temperature is a major factor since I could previously run all versions up to 66.7. Now most versions only run at 600MHz. I think I still have a library problem so I'll probably do a clean (delete) rebuild of the IDE and libraries.
On 3/17/2025 12:25 PM, Kees Mos via groups.io wrote:
Robert:
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Downloaded and compiled version 66.7 here. Works ok and no freeze. (Still clicks when tuning though.)
What helped with me is keeping the Teensy cool. I use a small fan in Justin's kit. Without fan version 66.2 also froze.
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Kees, PA0KME
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Faster with LTO, 600mHz , Dual serial
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Memory Usage on Teensy 4.1:
? FLASH: code:311516, data:133432, headers:8676 ? free for files:7672840
? ?RAM1: variables:195712, code:287880, padding:7032 ? free for local variables:33664
? ?RAM2: variables:483744 ?free for malloc/new:40544
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Re: T41 partially thawed

 

On 2025-03-17 09:25, Kees Mos via groups.io wrote:
Robert:
Downloaded and compiled version 66.7 here. Works ok and no freeze.
(Still clicks when tuning though.)
What helped with me is keeping the Teensy cool. I use a small fan in
Justin's kit. Without fan version 66.2 also froze.
*** I keep mine cool by eliminating sources of heat. I replaced the
linear 3-terminal regulators with Murata switchers. No fan, no freezes.
Can't hear any noise from them. Any noise is drowned out by the noise from
the display. And the noise from the display is drowned out by band noise.

- Jerry, KF6VB



Kees, PA0KME
Faster with LTO, 600mHz , Dual serial
Memory Usage on Teensy 4.1:
FLASH: code:311516, data:133432, headers:8676 free for
files:7672840
RAM1: variables:195712, code:287880, padding:7032 free for local
variables:33664
RAM2: variables:483744 free for malloc/new:40544
Links:
------
[1] /g/SoftwareControlledHamRadio/message/33073
[2] /mt/111726603/243852
[3] /g/SoftwareControlledHamRadio/post
[4] /g/SoftwareControlledHamRadio/editsub/243852
[5]
/g/SoftwareControlledHamRadio/leave/10484476/243852/1943518115/xyzzy