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Re: FW 66.9 bug

 

On 2025-05-14 16:51, Oliver KI3P via groups.io wrote:

-- it's better to save
the EEPROM values to your SD card after calibration and then restore
them after a reflash using the EEPROM menu.
*** A common time to need to do this is when upgrading to a newer software.
I worry about the SD card or EEPROM format changing and the SD write or read
turning into gibberish.

- Jerry, KF6VB


Re: FW 66.9 bug

 

This is a part of the code that I've not dug into in detail, so reader beware.
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If I understand the code correctly, you would need to do the following steps in order to have the default values in the code be those specific to your rig:
1) Put your values into this function:
2) Uncomment this line:
3) Compile and upload.
4) Recomment this line:
5) Compile and upload.
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Now your default values will be save to the SD card. Hopefully that's right. I wouldn't recommend doing this however -- it's better to save the EEPROM values to your SD card after calibration and then restore them after a reflash using the EEPROM menu.


Re: FW 66.9 bug

 

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Oliver can probably tell ya. ?I believe its done by JSON so its raw data.?


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On May 14, 2025, at 11:40?AM, D Solt via groups.io <davesolt@...> wrote:

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Jack, did you ever send out details on how to store the cal data on the SD Card?? I can't figure it out.? My SD Card shows "no files" when I connect it to my PC.? I know that you are at FDIM, so no rush.
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I see the power cal section, line986, in EEPROM.cpp, but the factors are around 0.030 while my cal data adjustment for power is in the 20-40 dB range
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I am confused as to where the RXIQ and TXIQ cal data is stored in EEPROM.cpp.? I see the simplified V12HW at line 1037.? Is there a place to store the individual bands numbers?
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Thanks for your help
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dave, n3ds
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Re: FW 66.9 bug

 

Thanks Jack!? I'm reading the chapter in the book now.

On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 11:38?AM jerry-KF6VB via <jerry=[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-05-14 08:02, D Solt via wrote:
> Jack, did you ever send out details on how to store the cal data on
> the SD Card?? I can't figure it out.? My SD Card shows "no files" when
> I connect it to my PC.? I know that you are at FDIM, so no rush.

*** There is a choice in the EEPROM menu - write EEPROM data to SD.

? ? ? ? ? ? - Jerry, KF6VB







Re: FW 66.9 bug

 

Thank you Jerry.? Got it saved now!

On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 11:38?AM jerry-KF6VB via <jerry=[email protected]> wrote:
On 2025-05-14 08:02, D Solt via wrote:
> Jack, did you ever send out details on how to store the cal data on
> the SD Card?? I can't figure it out.? My SD Card shows "no files" when
> I connect it to my PC.? I know that you are at FDIM, so no rush.

*** There is a choice in the EEPROM menu - write EEPROM data to SD.

? ? ? ? ? ? - Jerry, KF6VB







Re: FW 66.9 bug

 


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See the 4th Main Menu option (EEPROM).

Jack, W8TEE


On Wednesday, May 14, 2025 at 11:02:42 AM EDT, D Solt via groups.io <davesolt@...> wrote:


Jack, did you ever send out details on how to store the cal data on the SD Card?? I can't figure it out.? My SD Card shows "no files" when I connect it to my PC.? I know that you are at FDIM, so no rush.
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I see the power cal section, line986, in EEPROM.cpp, but the factors are around 0.030 while my cal data adjustment for power is in the 20-40 dB range
?
I am confused as to where the RXIQ and TXIQ cal data is stored in EEPROM.cpp.? I see the simplified V12HW at line 1037.? Is there a place to store the individual bands numbers?
?
Thanks for your help
?
dave, n3ds
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Jack, W8TEE


Re: FW 66.9 bug

 

On 2025-05-14 08:02, D Solt via groups.io wrote:
Jack, did you ever send out details on how to store the cal data on
the SD Card? I can't figure it out. My SD Card shows "no files" when
I connect it to my PC. I know that you are at FDIM, so no rush.
*** There is a choice in the EEPROM menu - write EEPROM data to SD.

- Jerry, KF6VB


Re: FW 66.9 bug

 

Jack, did you ever send out details on how to store the cal data on the SD Card?? I can't figure it out.? My SD Card shows "no files" when I connect it to my PC.? I know that you are at FDIM, so no rush.
?
I see the power cal section, line986, in EEPROM.cpp, but the factors are around 0.030 while my cal data adjustment for power is in the 20-40 dB range
?
I am confused as to where the RXIQ and TXIQ cal data is stored in EEPROM.cpp.? I see the simplified V12HW at line 1037.? Is there a place to store the individual bands numbers?
?
Thanks for your help
?
dave, n3ds
?
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Re: Codec & ADC's

 

Hi All - I hooked up 3 brand-new D cells and got 4.81V.? I measured 3 cases, as shown on the graph.? It included the new battery case, as well as 10mH feeding a 100 uF ceramic.? They all look the same except the battery which is better below about 100 Hz.? For the frequencies of our I-Q radios there is nothing to see.? Above a few hundred Hz we are not power supply limited, it would seem.?? No, I don't know what that weak junk is around 5 kHz.? It wasn't there last week!? Looks a bit like an idle tone.
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Hey, Hi Mike, great to see you here. Yeah, we don't want to count the years that we go back!? But good stuff.


Re: New SI5340-based RF Board in development

 

Larry, thanks for the pointer. The UHFSDR design is highly informative.
j


Re: New SI5340-based RF Board in development

 

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You gonna be at Hamvention?? If so, stop by Booth #2607.? Al may be there too depending when people come.

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Staunton, Illinois

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John Bennett via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2025 10:45 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] New SI5340-based RF Board in development

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Hi Bill, I would love to see your simple design. I too have thought about replacing the '3253 with discrete FET switches, but getting very fast switching speed *and* suitable RF performance appears pretty challenging (at least to me). Many parts don't even specify turn-on/off time, or when they do, it's way too slow. Commercial RF switches do not emphasize switching speed (no one cares about 10+ns switching speed in an antenna switch or video multiplexer). I have limited experience designing with GaAs parts, but that might be a possibility. A pair of Mini-Circuits mixers followed by well-designed diplexers is where I am leaning, although an AD831 design would be much simpler, but not as performant.

73,

john

AEOAM


Re: New SI5340-based RF Board in development

 

John, look up UHFSDR (WB6DHW design ) for another approach. I built one, have?another in a partly built state. It works well, I get UHF performance. I paired it with an EdenDSP 3.0 board.?

Larry
KB3CUF?

On Tue, May 13, 2025 at 11:44?AM John Bennett via <jkb=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Bill, I would love to see your simple design. I too have thought about replacing the '3253 with discrete FET switches, but getting very fast switching speed *and* suitable RF performance appears pretty challenging (at least to me). Many parts don't even specify turn-on/off time, or when they do, it's way too slow. Commercial RF switches do not emphasize switching speed (no one cares about 10+ns switching speed in an antenna switch or video multiplexer). I have limited experience designing with GaAs parts, but that might be a possibility. A pair of Mini-Circuits mixers followed by well-designed diplexers is where I am leaning, although an AD831 design would be much simpler, but not as performant.
73,
john
AEOAM


Re: New SI5340-based RF Board in development

 

Hi Bill, I would love to see your simple design. I too have thought about replacing the '3253 with discrete FET switches, but getting very fast switching speed *and* suitable RF performance appears pretty challenging (at least to me). Many parts don't even specify turn-on/off time, or when they do, it's way too slow. Commercial RF switches do not emphasize switching speed (no one cares about 10+ns switching speed in an antenna switch or video multiplexer). I have limited experience designing with GaAs parts, but that might be a possibility. A pair of Mini-Circuits mixers followed by well-designed diplexers is where I am leaning, although an AD831 design would be much simpler, but not as performant.
73,
john
AEOAM


Re: New SI5340-based RF Board in development

 

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No one seems to consider this but you COULD build analogs of these devices using high frequency discrete parts. ?I have something like breadboarded as a replacement for the mixer¡­ it works but needs a lot more work. ?Its pretty simple. ?


Dr.?William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

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Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com


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On May 12, 2025, at 6:08?PM, John Bennett via groups.io <jkb@...> wrote:

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Thanks to everyone for the fast feedback. To answer questions in order:
1) Yes, I plan to release hardware and software files to this site as others have done. If there is demand, perhaps Bill can add this RF board to his stock.
2) My experience with the 74ALVC74D is much better than Bill's (my observed performance > 100 MHz; clean power is critical); I expect the '3233's to poop out before the 7474's. That said, the next version will use the SI5340 LVPECL differential output option to drive TI CDCM1802's. This is a slick part that operates up to 800MHz, divides by 1, 2, 4, or 8, and offers an LVCMOS output up to 200MHz. If the mixer could support it, this would put operation from 2200M to 2M within easy reach (see below).
3) I currently use the Out0 for Rx and Out2 for TX. Having an unused output between TX and Rx during split operation is intended to cut down on cross-talk during split operation.
4) For the TX and RX clocks, I do indeed use the inverted Si5340 output capability. These outputs are *exactly* 180 degrees out of phase (at least beyond my ability to measure any difference with a 2 GHz scope) when terminated correctly. I think the external FF's are important, because phase symmetry is critical in a Tayloe mixer (which is switching FETs on and off at both edges).
5) The SI5340 is indeed more expensive, but the performance/cost benefit is pretty good (at least to my way of thinking).
6) Soldering a 44-QFN is a bit of a challenge, but a stainless stencil is ~$10, which makes the temp-controlled hot-plate soldering technique pretty reliable.
7) As you can see, I was able to replace the 5351 (and the MF logic) with a 5340 and all of its support circuitry. It's tight, but it all fits, and it's a clean layout.
8) Yes, power consumption is higher, but dependent on output configuration. I added the required clean 3.3 to 1.8V supply to the prototype RF board in the available space with no problems.
9) The SI5340 has four main versions. Two of these, the Si5340A-D (up to ~1GHz with some holes) and Si5340B-D (up to 350MHz; perfect for this application) do support both fractional and integer divides. The fractional divide feature is what makes the part a good fit.
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Now I have a question. While I think replacing the current RF board is a win, I have been giving serious thought to creating a separate VFO card down the road. This would free up room on the RF board to do other things (like add an optional non-Tayloe second mixer (to support 2M). There are lots of options (old-school Minicircuits mixer, or something like the AD831) I am experimenting with both. I am also experimenting with replacing the Teensy with a Raspberry Pi 5, which would give HDMI outputs, and more performance and memory than the T41"X" is ever likely to need.
73,
j


Re: Morse Code Tutor pcb...

 

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I think that changed again. ?Seems to change from day to day at this point. ?


Dr.?William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton - J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it: www.VillaGrandPiton.com


email:??bill@...

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On May 13, 2025, at 12:52?AM, Jim Pruitt WA7DUY via groups.io <jpruitt67@...> wrote:

? PCBWay was still offering the Global Express a couple weeks ago when I placed an order for something else.? JLCPCB had just stopped it that day. They told me it was because their Global Express carrier had stopped delivering to USA.

Thank you.

Jim Pruitt
WA7DUY

On 5/12/2025 9:16 PM, jerry-KF6VB via groups.io wrote:
On 2025-05-12 20:36, John? P via groups.io wrote:
I checked the JLCPCB price a month or so ago. $4 for 5 boards up from
$2. Not a big deal.

*** That's not a big deal.? The big deal is that their "Global Standard Line"
$1.50 shipping went away, replaced by $22 DHL shipping.

???????????? - Jerry, KF6VB








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Re: Morse Code Tutor pcb...

 

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Gary, I'd like to try one of your boards, if you have any left. Let me know how to proceed.


On 5/13/2025 9:17 AM, Gary W9TD via groups.io wrote:
I have a few W8BH Morse Tutor boards available for shipping costs+ (Had to order 5, used one)
Gary
W9TD
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73 Animated graphic flashing 73 in Morse code.

Bob W3RDL


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Re: Morse Code Tutor pcb...

 

Hi Gary,

I'm game for one (maybe two) board(s). Contact me off-list and maybe we can help each other out...

Thanks!
73,
Vern N7GTB (at yahoo)

On Tuesday, May 13, 2025 at 06:17:58 AM PDT, Gary W9TD via groups.io <w9td@...> wrote:


I have a few W8BH Morse Tutor boards available for shipping costs+ (Had to order 5, used one)
Gary
W9TD


Re: Morse Code Tutor pcb...

 

I have a few W8BH Morse Tutor boards available for shipping costs+ (Had to order 5, used one)
Gary
W9TD


Re: Codec & ADC's

 

Hi Bob and all
By way of introduction, I'm a local friend of Bob's, WA7EXH since 1965, and a reader of this group.
Bob, since I last talked to you about this, it's occurred to me that most of my instrumentation projects using 24-bit ADCs? have used point-of-load regulators that exclusively supply the converter application. I've chosen regulators for lowest noise and highest input rejection. I think that this, in addition to the capacitor and inductor installations, has been beneficial to data quality.
There are now regulators that have quite low noise density. A few that are pretty inexpensive are the LP2992, TL1963, TPS7A20. Analog Devices has a few regulators that are also very good: Their LT3046 is a leader in low-noise, high psrr linear regulators, and would be my first choice today. It has good input and output voltage range, not the cheapest, and a DFN package that gets
me into microscope-aided soldering.
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Mike


Re: New SI5340-based RF Board in development

 

Hi Phil-
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I don't know if there is a performance difference between QSE2DC and the V12 circuit.? There is insufficient data available for comparison.
Yes, carrier nulling is a software task which has been available in T41EEE for quite a while.
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With regards to the design using differential circuits, this was an attempt to gain all of the benefits of a symmetrical circuit, and
in particular noise immunity.? The T41, in its 3D printed plastic case, is lacking for shielding and grounding.? Now the problem remains
with the Audio Adapter, which has single-ended outputs.? What I've got now is working well enough to continue development.?
In the future, I would like to get a fully differential signal chain in both transmit and receive signal paths.
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Another goal was squeezing the maximum potential performance out of the 3253 multiplexer.? This device is not specifically intended for
this application; it has been pressed into service as a modulator and demodulator.
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There is more information on differential and instrumentation amplifiers in the references in the README for the QSE2DC:

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73 Greg KF5N