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Re: Audio Hat Hangup

 

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First things first.? If you load the I2C scanner software, does the audio hat respond at address 0x0A on WIRE like it should¡­? ?If not, concentrate your resoldering efforts around Pins 18 and 19¡­

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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email:? bill@...

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Tim via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2025 8:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] Audio Hat Hangup

?

V12 Boards

Ver 50.2 SW?

All is working no freeze up or glitches since installing ferrite sleeves on ribbon cable.

However if I install the audio hat it never finishes boot up before program stops with partial screen.

Tried new extender, new audio hat (2) same issue each time.

I reflowed the leads on Teensy female headers (may need to do this again)

I can install Audio hat with a pair of long pin female headers to eliminate and doubt that extender is issue no help.

Could it be SW? I will pull main board and go over all the solder pads to see if that helps.

Other wise all good.

I had 64 beta working at one point but after reloading a second time it hangs up. (I cleared the memory each time)?

Tim W4YN?

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Re: T41 BPF results

 

Do you want me to do it?

On Tuesday, February 18, 2025 at 09:13:24 PM EST, K9HZ <bill@...> wrote:


Not its time to do it for the LPF too¡­ and a section on winding that line section transformer and how to make the Power and SWR measurement work.

?

?

Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

?

Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

?

email:? bill@...

?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of jjpurdum via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2025 7:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] T41 BPF results

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Nice. Very complete. Is the term "stacked" explained in the manual?

?

Jack, W8TEE

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On Tuesday, February 18, 2025 at 08:35:10 PM EST, K9HZ <bill@...> wrote:

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?

I just put this together today and added it to the back of the Assembly Manual.? Makes it easier to see everything in one place.? The next thing I¡¯ll make and add is a test sheet for measured vs expected performance.

?

?

Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

?

Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

?

email:? bill@...

?

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of jjpurdum via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2025 6:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] T41 BPF results

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Justin's manual has a similar table in it, but not the wire lengths. Because the BPF's use the smaller wire, the wire length in Kit and Parts should be very close to what you need. For example, L091 calls for a T37-6 core with 25 turns. From their table:

?

? ??????? T-37 Core???????????? Length

24

2.3??1.7??31.9??242??14.00"

3.0??2.4

2.8??2.3??39.2??301??17.00"

3.3??2.7??20.00"

26

2.7??2.0??37.4??284??15.00"

3.5??2.8

3.3??2.7??46.0??354??18.25"

3.9??3.2??21.50"

?

25 turns on a T-37 core takes 14.5". (Simple average of the turn count.)? I would wind one core and see how that works out for the pigtail leads. Adjust as needed.

?

Jack, W8TEE

?

Band

Inductor

Toroid Core

Turns

160M

L091

T37-6 (Yellow)

25

L092

FT37-61 (Unpainted)

15

L093

T37-10 (Black)

20

L094

FT37-61 (Unpainted)

15

L095

T37-6 (Yellow)

25

80M

L101

T37-10 (Black)

18

L102

T37-1 (Blue)

26

L103

T37-0 (Tan)

30

L104

T37-1 (Blue)

26

L105

T37-10 (Black)

18

60M

L191

T37-10 (Black)

17

L192

T37-1 (Blue)

25

L193

T37-2 (Red)

9

L194

T37-1 (Blue)

25

L195

T37-10 (Black)

17

40M

L201

T37-0 (Tan)

29

L202

T37-1 (Blue)

21

L203

T37-0 (Tan)

22

L204

T37-1 (Blue)

21

L205

T37-0 (Tan)

29

30M

L291

T37-0 (Tan)

19

L292

T37-10 (Black)

37

L293

T37-0 (Tan)

11

L294

T37-10 (Black)

37

L295

T37-0 (Tan)

19

20M

L301

T37-0 (Tan)

18

L302

T37-6 (Yellow)

26

L303

T37-0 (Tan)

12

L304

T37-6 (Yellow)

26

L305

T37-0 (Tan)

18

17M / 15M

L401

T37-0 (Tan)

15

L402

T37-10 (Black)

20

L403

T37-0 (Tan)

12

L404

T37-10 (Black)

20

L405

T37-0 (Tan)

15

12M / 10M

L501

T37-0 (Tan)

14

L502

T37-10 (Black)

18

L503

T37-0 (Tan)

12

L504

T37-10 (Black)

18

L505

T37-0 (Tan)

14

?

?

On Tuesday, February 18, 2025 at 04:37:44 PM EST, Tim via groups.io <w4yn@...> wrote:

?

?

Jack

Is there a similar sheet?

for BPF's?

LPF sheet is working out great

Tim

W4YN


--
Jack, W8TEE


--
Jack, W8TEE


--
Jack, W8TEE


Re: T41 BPF results

 

You're right, I forgot!

Jack, W8TEE

On Tuesday, February 18, 2025 at 09:11:04 PM EST, K9HZ <bill@...> wrote:


You are the one that wrote that section of the manual¡­ so, yeah!? I know, we have both slept¡­

?

?

?

Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

?

Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

?

email:? bill@...

?

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of jjpurdum via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2025 7:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] T41 BPF results

?

Nice. Very complete. Is the term "stacked" explained in the manual?

?

Jack, W8TEE

?

On Tuesday, February 18, 2025 at 08:35:10 PM EST, K9HZ <bill@...> wrote:

?

?

I just put this together today and added it to the back of the Assembly Manual.? Makes it easier to see everything in one place.? The next thing I¡¯ll make and add is a test sheet for measured vs expected performance.

?

?

Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

?

Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

?

email:? bill@...

?

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of jjpurdum via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2025 6:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] T41 BPF results

?

Justin's manual has a similar table in it, but not the wire lengths. Because the BPF's use the smaller wire, the wire length in Kit and Parts should be very close to what you need. For example, L091 calls for a T37-6 core with 25 turns. From their table:

?

? ??????? T-37 Core???????????? Length

24

2.3??1.7??31.9??242??14.00"

3.0??2.4

2.8??2.3??39.2??301??17.00"

3.3??2.7??20.00"

26

2.7??2.0??37.4??284??15.00"

3.5??2.8

3.3??2.7??46.0??354??18.25"

3.9??3.2??21.50"

?

25 turns on a T-37 core takes 14.5". (Simple average of the turn count.)? I would wind one core and see how that works out for the pigtail leads. Adjust as needed.

?

Jack, W8TEE

?

Band

Inductor

Toroid Core

Turns

160M

L091

T37-6 (Yellow)

25

L092

FT37-61 (Unpainted)

15

L093

T37-10 (Black)

20

L094

FT37-61 (Unpainted)

15

L095

T37-6 (Yellow)

25

80M

L101

T37-10 (Black)

18

L102

T37-1 (Blue)

26

L103

T37-0 (Tan)

30

L104

T37-1 (Blue)

26

L105

T37-10 (Black)

18

60M

L191

T37-10 (Black)

17

L192

T37-1 (Blue)

25

L193

T37-2 (Red)

9

L194

T37-1 (Blue)

25

L195

T37-10 (Black)

17

40M

L201

T37-0 (Tan)

29

L202

T37-1 (Blue)

21

L203

T37-0 (Tan)

22

L204

T37-1 (Blue)

21

L205

T37-0 (Tan)

29

30M

L291

T37-0 (Tan)

19

L292

T37-10 (Black)

37

L293

T37-0 (Tan)

11

L294

T37-10 (Black)

37

L295

T37-0 (Tan)

19

20M

L301

T37-0 (Tan)

18

L302

T37-6 (Yellow)

26

L303

T37-0 (Tan)

12

L304

T37-6 (Yellow)

26

L305

T37-0 (Tan)

18

17M / 15M

L401

T37-0 (Tan)

15

L402

T37-10 (Black)

20

L403

T37-0 (Tan)

12

L404

T37-10 (Black)

20

L405

T37-0 (Tan)

15

12M / 10M

L501

T37-0 (Tan)

14

L502

T37-10 (Black)

18

L503

T37-0 (Tan)

12

L504

T37-10 (Black)

18

L505

T37-0 (Tan)

14

?

?

On Tuesday, February 18, 2025 at 04:37:44 PM EST, Tim via groups.io <w4yn@...> wrote:

?

?

Jack

Is there a similar sheet?

for BPF's?

LPF sheet is working out great

Tim

W4YN


--
Jack, W8TEE


--
Jack, W8TEE


--
Jack, W8TEE


Audio Hat Hangup

 

V12 Boards
Ver 50.2 SW?
All is working no freeze up or glitches since installing ferrite sleeves on ribbon cable.
However if I install the audio hat it never finishes boot up before program stops with partial screen.
Tried new extender, new audio hat (2) same issue each time.
I reflowed the leads on Teensy female headers (may need to do this again)
I can install Audio hat with a pair of long pin female headers to eliminate and doubt that extender is issue no help.
Could it be SW? I will pull main board and go over all the solder pads to see if that helps.
Other wise all good.
I had 64 beta working at one point but after reloading a second time it hangs up. (I cleared the memory each time)?
Tim W4YN?
?


Re: T41 BPF results

 

¿ªÔÆÌåÓý

Not its time to do it for the LPF too¡­ and a section on winding that line section transformer and how to make the Power and SWR measurement work.

?

?

Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

?

Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

?

email:? bill@...

?

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of jjpurdum via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2025 7:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] T41 BPF results

?

Nice. Very complete. Is the term "stacked" explained in the manual?

?

Jack, W8TEE

?

On Tuesday, February 18, 2025 at 08:35:10 PM EST, K9HZ <bill@...> wrote:

?

?

I just put this together today and added it to the back of the Assembly Manual.? Makes it easier to see everything in one place.? The next thing I¡¯ll make and add is a test sheet for measured vs expected performance.

?

?

Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

?

Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

?

email:? bill@...

?

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of jjpurdum via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2025 6:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] T41 BPF results

?

Justin's manual has a similar table in it, but not the wire lengths. Because the BPF's use the smaller wire, the wire length in Kit and Parts should be very close to what you need. For example, L091 calls for a T37-6 core with 25 turns. From their table:

?

? ??????? T-37 Core???????????? Length

24

2.3??1.7??31.9??242??14.00"

3.0??2.4

2.8??2.3??39.2??301??17.00"

3.3??2.7??20.00"

26

2.7??2.0??37.4??284??15.00"

3.5??2.8

3.3??2.7??46.0??354??18.25"

3.9??3.2??21.50"

?

25 turns on a T-37 core takes 14.5". (Simple average of the turn count.)? I would wind one core and see how that works out for the pigtail leads. Adjust as needed.

?

Jack, W8TEE

?

Band

Inductor

Toroid Core

Turns

160M

L091

T37-6 (Yellow)

25

L092

FT37-61 (Unpainted)

15

L093

T37-10 (Black)

20

L094

FT37-61 (Unpainted)

15

L095

T37-6 (Yellow)

25

80M

L101

T37-10 (Black)

18

L102

T37-1 (Blue)

26

L103

T37-0 (Tan)

30

L104

T37-1 (Blue)

26

L105

T37-10 (Black)

18

60M

L191

T37-10 (Black)

17

L192

T37-1 (Blue)

25

L193

T37-2 (Red)

9

L194

T37-1 (Blue)

25

L195

T37-10 (Black)

17

40M

L201

T37-0 (Tan)

29

L202

T37-1 (Blue)

21

L203

T37-0 (Tan)

22

L204

T37-1 (Blue)

21

L205

T37-0 (Tan)

29

30M

L291

T37-0 (Tan)

19

L292

T37-10 (Black)

37

L293

T37-0 (Tan)

11

L294

T37-10 (Black)

37

L295

T37-0 (Tan)

19

20M

L301

T37-0 (Tan)

18

L302

T37-6 (Yellow)

26

L303

T37-0 (Tan)

12

L304

T37-6 (Yellow)

26

L305

T37-0 (Tan)

18

17M / 15M

L401

T37-0 (Tan)

15

L402

T37-10 (Black)

20

L403

T37-0 (Tan)

12

L404

T37-10 (Black)

20

L405

T37-0 (Tan)

15

12M / 10M

L501

T37-0 (Tan)

14

L502

T37-10 (Black)

18

L503

T37-0 (Tan)

12

L504

T37-10 (Black)

18

L505

T37-0 (Tan)

14

?

?

On Tuesday, February 18, 2025 at 04:37:44 PM EST, Tim via groups.io <w4yn@...> wrote:

?

?

Jack

Is there a similar sheet?

for BPF's?

LPF sheet is working out great

Tim

W4YN


--
Jack, W8TEE


--
Jack, W8TEE


Re: T41 BPF results

 

¿ªÔÆÌåÓý

You are the one that wrote that section of the manual¡­ so, yeah!? I know, we have both slept¡­

?

?

?

Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

?

Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

?

email:? bill@...

?

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of jjpurdum via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2025 7:56 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] T41 BPF results

?

Nice. Very complete. Is the term "stacked" explained in the manual?

?

Jack, W8TEE

?

On Tuesday, February 18, 2025 at 08:35:10 PM EST, K9HZ <bill@...> wrote:

?

?

I just put this together today and added it to the back of the Assembly Manual.? Makes it easier to see everything in one place.? The next thing I¡¯ll make and add is a test sheet for measured vs expected performance.

?

?

Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

?

Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

?

email:? bill@...

?

?

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of jjpurdum via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2025 6:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] T41 BPF results

?

Justin's manual has a similar table in it, but not the wire lengths. Because the BPF's use the smaller wire, the wire length in Kit and Parts should be very close to what you need. For example, L091 calls for a T37-6 core with 25 turns. From their table:

?

? ??????? T-37 Core???????????? Length

24

2.3??1.7??31.9??242??14.00"

3.0??2.4

2.8??2.3??39.2??301??17.00"

3.3??2.7??20.00"

26

2.7??2.0??37.4??284??15.00"

3.5??2.8

3.3??2.7??46.0??354??18.25"

3.9??3.2??21.50"

?

25 turns on a T-37 core takes 14.5". (Simple average of the turn count.)? I would wind one core and see how that works out for the pigtail leads. Adjust as needed.

?

Jack, W8TEE

?

Band

Inductor

Toroid Core

Turns

160M

L091

T37-6 (Yellow)

25

L092

FT37-61 (Unpainted)

15

L093

T37-10 (Black)

20

L094

FT37-61 (Unpainted)

15

L095

T37-6 (Yellow)

25

80M

L101

T37-10 (Black)

18

L102

T37-1 (Blue)

26

L103

T37-0 (Tan)

30

L104

T37-1 (Blue)

26

L105

T37-10 (Black)

18

60M

L191

T37-10 (Black)

17

L192

T37-1 (Blue)

25

L193

T37-2 (Red)

9

L194

T37-1 (Blue)

25

L195

T37-10 (Black)

17

40M

L201

T37-0 (Tan)

29

L202

T37-1 (Blue)

21

L203

T37-0 (Tan)

22

L204

T37-1 (Blue)

21

L205

T37-0 (Tan)

29

30M

L291

T37-0 (Tan)

19

L292

T37-10 (Black)

37

L293

T37-0 (Tan)

11

L294

T37-10 (Black)

37

L295

T37-0 (Tan)

19

20M

L301

T37-0 (Tan)

18

L302

T37-6 (Yellow)

26

L303

T37-0 (Tan)

12

L304

T37-6 (Yellow)

26

L305

T37-0 (Tan)

18

17M / 15M

L401

T37-0 (Tan)

15

L402

T37-10 (Black)

20

L403

T37-0 (Tan)

12

L404

T37-10 (Black)

20

L405

T37-0 (Tan)

15

12M / 10M

L501

T37-0 (Tan)

14

L502

T37-10 (Black)

18

L503

T37-0 (Tan)

12

L504

T37-10 (Black)

18

L505

T37-0 (Tan)

14

?

?

On Tuesday, February 18, 2025 at 04:37:44 PM EST, Tim via groups.io <w4yn@...> wrote:

?

?

Jack

Is there a similar sheet?

for BPF's?

LPF sheet is working out great

Tim

W4YN


--
Jack, W8TEE


--
Jack, W8TEE


Re: T41 BPF results

 

Nice. Very complete. Is the term "stacked" explained in the manual?

Jack, W8TEE

On Tuesday, February 18, 2025 at 08:35:10 PM EST, K9HZ <bill@...> wrote:


I just put this together today and added it to the back of the Assembly Manual.? Makes it easier to see everything in one place.? The next thing I¡¯ll make and add is a test sheet for measured vs expected performance.

?

?

Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

?

Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of jjpurdum via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2025 6:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] T41 BPF results

?

Justin's manual has a similar table in it, but not the wire lengths. Because the BPF's use the smaller wire, the wire length in Kit and Parts should be very close to what you need. For example, L091 calls for a T37-6 core with 25 turns. From their table:

?

? ??????? T-37 Core???????????? Length

24

2.3??1.7??31.9??242??14.00"

3.0??2.4

2.8??2.3??39.2??301??17.00"

3.3??2.7??20.00"

26

2.7??2.0??37.4??284??15.00"

3.5??2.8

3.3??2.7??46.0??354??18.25"

3.9??3.2??21.50"

?

25 turns on a T-37 core takes 14.5". (Simple average of the turn count.)? I would wind one core and see how that works out for the pigtail leads. Adjust as needed.

?

Jack, W8TEE

?

Band

Inductor

Toroid Core

Turns

160M

L091

T37-6 (Yellow)

25

L092

FT37-61 (Unpainted)

15

L093

T37-10 (Black)

20

L094

FT37-61 (Unpainted)

15

L095

T37-6 (Yellow)

25

80M

L101

T37-10 (Black)

18

L102

T37-1 (Blue)

26

L103

T37-0 (Tan)

30

L104

T37-1 (Blue)

26

L105

T37-10 (Black)

18

60M

L191

T37-10 (Black)

17

L192

T37-1 (Blue)

25

L193

T37-2 (Red)

9

L194

T37-1 (Blue)

25

L195

T37-10 (Black)

17

40M

L201

T37-0 (Tan)

29

L202

T37-1 (Blue)

21

L203

T37-0 (Tan)

22

L204

T37-1 (Blue)

21

L205

T37-0 (Tan)

29

30M

L291

T37-0 (Tan)

19

L292

T37-10 (Black)

37

L293

T37-0 (Tan)

11

L294

T37-10 (Black)

37

L295

T37-0 (Tan)

19

20M

L301

T37-0 (Tan)

18

L302

T37-6 (Yellow)

26

L303

T37-0 (Tan)

12

L304

T37-6 (Yellow)

26

L305

T37-0 (Tan)

18

17M / 15M

L401

T37-0 (Tan)

15

L402

T37-10 (Black)

20

L403

T37-0 (Tan)

12

L404

T37-10 (Black)

20

L405

T37-0 (Tan)

15

12M / 10M

L501

T37-0 (Tan)

14

L502

T37-10 (Black)

18

L503

T37-0 (Tan)

12

L504

T37-10 (Black)

18

L505

T37-0 (Tan)

14

?

?

On Tuesday, February 18, 2025 at 04:37:44 PM EST, Tim via groups.io <w4yn@...> wrote:

?

?

Jack

Is there a similar sheet?

for BPF's?

LPF sheet is working out great

Tim

W4YN


--
Jack, W8TEE


--
Jack, W8TEE


Re: T41 BPF results

 

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I just put this together today and added it to the back of the Assembly Manual.? Makes it easier to see everything in one place.? The next thing I¡¯ll make and add is a test sheet for measured vs expected performance.

?

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Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

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Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

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Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of jjpurdum via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2025 6:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] T41 BPF results

?

Justin's manual has a similar table in it, but not the wire lengths. Because the BPF's use the smaller wire, the wire length in Kit and Parts should be very close to what you need. For example, L091 calls for a T37-6 core with 25 turns. From their table:

?

? ??????? T-37 Core???????????? Length

24

2.3??1.7??31.9??242??14.00"

3.0??2.4

2.8??2.3??39.2??301??17.00"

3.3??2.7??20.00"

26

2.7??2.0??37.4??284??15.00"

3.5??2.8

3.3??2.7??46.0??354??18.25"

3.9??3.2??21.50"

?

25 turns on a T-37 core takes 14.5". (Simple average of the turn count.)? I would wind one core and see how that works out for the pigtail leads. Adjust as needed.

?

Jack, W8TEE

?

Band

Inductor

Toroid Core

Turns

160M

L091

T37-6 (Yellow)

25

L092

FT37-61 (Unpainted)

15

L093

T37-10 (Black)

20

L094

FT37-61 (Unpainted)

15

L095

T37-6 (Yellow)

25

80M

L101

T37-10 (Black)

18

L102

T37-1 (Blue)

26

L103

T37-0 (Tan)

30

L104

T37-1 (Blue)

26

L105

T37-10 (Black)

18

60M

L191

T37-10 (Black)

17

L192

T37-1 (Blue)

25

L193

T37-2 (Red)

9

L194

T37-1 (Blue)

25

L195

T37-10 (Black)

17

40M

L201

T37-0 (Tan)

29

L202

T37-1 (Blue)

21

L203

T37-0 (Tan)

22

L204

T37-1 (Blue)

21

L205

T37-0 (Tan)

29

30M

L291

T37-0 (Tan)

19

L292

T37-10 (Black)

37

L293

T37-0 (Tan)

11

L294

T37-10 (Black)

37

L295

T37-0 (Tan)

19

20M

L301

T37-0 (Tan)

18

L302

T37-6 (Yellow)

26

L303

T37-0 (Tan)

12

L304

T37-6 (Yellow)

26

L305

T37-0 (Tan)

18

17M / 15M

L401

T37-0 (Tan)

15

L402

T37-10 (Black)

20

L403

T37-0 (Tan)

12

L404

T37-10 (Black)

20

L405

T37-0 (Tan)

15

12M / 10M

L501

T37-0 (Tan)

14

L502

T37-10 (Black)

18

L503

T37-0 (Tan)

12

L504

T37-10 (Black)

18

L505

T37-0 (Tan)

14

?

?

On Tuesday, February 18, 2025 at 04:37:44 PM EST, Tim via groups.io <w4yn@...> wrote:

?

?

Jack

Is there a similar sheet?

for BPF's?

LPF sheet is working out great

Tim

W4YN


--
Jack, W8TEE


Re: T41 BPF results

 

On 2025-02-18 16:23, jjpurdum via groups.io wrote:
Justin's manual has a similar table in it, but not the wire lengths.
I made up my own table. I just put one turn around the core, marked it with a sharpie. Then measured it. Then made up a spreadsheet, adding 2 inches to each
length for pigtails. It came out pretty close.

- Jerry, KF6VB


Re: T41 BPF results

 

Justin's manual has a similar table in it, but not the wire lengths. Because the BPF's use the smaller wire, the wire length in Kit and Parts should be very close to what you need. For example, L091 calls for a T37-6 core with 25 turns. From their table:

? ??????? T-37 Core???????????? Length
242.3??1.7??31.9??242??14.00"3.0??2.42.8??2.3??39.2??301??17.00"3.3??2.7??20.00"
262.7??2.0??37.4??284??15.00"3.5??2.83.3??2.7??46.0??354??18.25"3.9??3.2??21.50"

25 turns on a T-37 core takes 14.5". (Simple average of the turn count.)? I would wind one core and see how that works out for the pigtail leads. Adjust as needed.

Jack, W8TEE

BandInductorToroid CoreTurns
160ML091T37-6 (Yellow)25

L092FT37-61 (Unpainted)15

L093T37-10 (Black)20

L094FT37-61 (Unpainted)15

L095T37-6 (Yellow)25
80ML101T37-10 (Black)18

L102T37-1 (Blue)26

L103T37-0 (Tan)30

L104T37-1 (Blue)26

L105T37-10 (Black)18
60ML191T37-10 (Black)17

L192T37-1 (Blue)25

L193T37-2 (Red)9

L194T37-1 (Blue)25

L195T37-10 (Black)17
40ML201T37-0 (Tan)29

L202T37-1 (Blue)21

L203T37-0 (Tan)22

L204T37-1 (Blue)21

L205T37-0 (Tan)29
30ML291T37-0 (Tan)19

L292T37-10 (Black)37

L293T37-0 (Tan)11

L294T37-10 (Black)37

L295T37-0 (Tan)19
20ML301T37-0 (Tan)18

L302T37-6 (Yellow)26

L303T37-0 (Tan)12

L304T37-6 (Yellow)26

L305T37-0 (Tan)18
17M / 15ML401T37-0 (Tan)15

L402T37-10 (Black)20

L403T37-0 (Tan)12

L404T37-10 (Black)20

L405T37-0 (Tan)15
12M / 10ML501T37-0 (Tan)14

L502T37-10 (Black)18

L503T37-0 (Tan)12

L504T37-10 (Black)18

L505T37-0 (Tan)14


On Tuesday, February 18, 2025 at 04:37:44 PM EST, Tim via groups.io <w4yn@...> wrote:


Jack
Is there a similar sheet?
for BPF's?
LPF sheet is working out great
Tim
W4YN

--
Jack, W8TEE


Re: T41 BPF results

 

Jack
Is there a similar sheet?
for BPF's?
LPF sheet is working out great
Tim
W4YN


Re: Software for Chapter 9 AT with Graphical SWR Analyzer

 

Hi Jack
?
I had a look at the file posted on 7/15/21 but its the same file as I already have downloaded.
AT.h has no reference to "struct grafix" I can't see it mentioned anywhere in the code.
?
Anyway I currently have had another issue its do do with finding the correct EEPROM.h file
in AT.h there is the line below
#include <EEPROM.h> ? ? ? ? ? ? // This is the STM32 EEPROM library, not Teensy or Arduino
The ide initially finds? the original AVR EEPROM.h and not the STM32 version.
?
Which EEPROM library did you use?
?
I searched the STM32 packages to find a EEPROM.h file and tried this line using an absolute path
#include "C:\Users\djcle\AppData\Local\Arduino15\packages\stm32duino\hardware\STM32F1\2022.9.26\libraries\EEPROM\EEPROM.h"
This finds a library BUT this library has a line
#include <wirish.h>
So I don't think it is the correct library.
On my system wirish.h is at C:\Users\djcle\AppData\Local\Arduino15\packages\stm32duino\hardware\STM32F1\2019.6.14\cores\maple\wirish.h
But the IDE does not find it.
?
Even more confusing there seems to be two STM32F1 libraries dated 2019.6.14 and 2022.9.26
I assumed the later version would be best but it has no wirish.h file
?
I am confused about how you get the IDE to find the correct Library when there are multiple libraries of the same name.
Putting in an absolute path only works if the library does not have an? #include to yet another file.
I can't see any way round this problem short of replacing every #include <.......> with a #include "absolute path ......"
But then the code would be difficult to port to a different environment.
?
Any advice would be most welcome.
?
73
?
Dave
GM4NFI
?


Re: T41 BPF results

 

I have not done all the bands but those match closely with what I have done.
I also do not see much change messing around with turns spacing.
On to LPF's to see how they come out.
Tnx for all the work guys.
Tim W4YN


Re: T41 BPF results

 

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I¡¯ve made these changes to the assembly manual and the BOM for the BPF¡­ Looks very good.? The loss looks like about 3db maximum and that is easily made up by the RF amp in the front end.? Also, that loss could easily be die to the switches (guess I can test that in bypass mode as that had no filter/ loss elements but does have the two switches).

?

I¡¯ll add a loss table (max loss per band) if anyone makes those measurements¡­

?

This would be a nice exercise for the LPF too¡­

?

?

Dr. William J. Schmidt - K9HZ J68HZ 8P6HK ZF2HZ PJ4/K9HZ VP5/K9HZ PJ2/K9HZ VP2EHZ

?

Owner - Operator

Big Signal Ranch ¨C K9ZC

Staunton, Illinois

?

Owner ¨C Operator

Villa Grand Piton ¨C J68HZ

Soufriere, St. Lucia W.I.

Rent it:

?

Moderator: North American QRO Group at Groups.IO.

Moderator: Amateur Radio Builders Group at Groups.IO.

?

email:? bill@...

?

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of D Solt via groups.io
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2025 1:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SoftwareControlledHamRadio] T41 BPF results

?

Thank you Oliver.? Good stuff

dave, n3ds

?

On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 2:23?PM Oliver KI3P via <oliver=[email protected]> wrote:

?

I wound another V12 bandpass filter board to replace the prototype board in my radio. I'm pretty happy with the performance. Here are some plots showing the measured transmission curves for all the channels.

?

?

?

I measured and tweaked the inductance for every core and ended up with values that often differ from the recommended values. You can find a fill write up with all the details of the core windings and a comparison of each filter to the ELSIE simulation on my blog here:

?

Cheers,

Oliver KI3P


Re: T41 BPF results

 

These are great, Oliver. If it's okay with you, could you send me the hi-rez versions of the graphs? Al and I would like to include them in the book.

BTW, I tweaked the toroids in the LPF board to match their table values. As it turns out, they are very close as is. I fiddled with the turn spacing on a few, but did not have to add or subtract turns for any toroid. I've attached the table. Below is the first band in the table to illustrate what the file contains:

Band Inductor Type (Core) ????Turns ???? Wire Length

160M ???? L3 ????????????T68-2 (Red) ????????30 ????????????25.00¡±

????????????? L14 ????????????T68-2 (Red) ?????? 28 ????????????23.50¡±

????????????? L25 ????????????T68-2 (Red) ????????30 ????????????25.00


The wire length is taken from the Kits and Parts table () but I changed the wire length to account for the #20 gauge wire that is suggested if you plan to use Bill's 100W PA. (The K&P table is for #26 gauge wire and the 20W PA.) I also added about an inch to each length so you have enough for generous pigtails. Alas, the Crochet Hook Method for winding cores doesn't lend itself to the heavier gauge and small core diameter. Just take your time and you'll be fine.

I will also be posting the table to the SCHR site.

Jack, W8TEE




On Sunday, February 16, 2025 at 02:23:34 PM EST, Oliver KI3P via groups.io <oliver@...> wrote:


?
I wound another V12 bandpass filter board to replace the prototype board in my radio. I'm pretty happy with the performance. Here are some plots showing the measured transmission curves for all the channels.
?
?
?
I measured and tweaked the inductance for every core and ended up with values that often differ from the recommended values. You can find a fill write up with all the details of the core windings and a comparison of each filter to the ELSIE simulation on my blog here:
?
Cheers,
Oliver KI3P

--
Jack, W8TEE


Re: T41 BPF results

 

Thank you Oliver.? Good stuff
dave, n3ds


On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 2:23?PM Oliver KI3P via <oliver=[email protected]> wrote:
?
I wound another V12 bandpass filter board to replace the prototype board in my radio. I'm pretty happy with the performance. Here are some plots showing the measured transmission curves for all the channels.
?
?
?
I measured and tweaked the inductance for every core and ended up with values that often differ from the recommended values. You can find a fill write up with all the details of the core windings and a comparison of each filter to the ELSIE simulation on my blog here:
?
Cheers,
Oliver KI3P


T41 BPF results

 

?
I wound another V12 bandpass filter board to replace the prototype board in my radio. I'm pretty happy with the performance. Here are some plots showing the measured transmission curves for all the channels.
?
?
?
I measured and tweaked the inductance for every core and ended up with values that often differ from the recommended values. You can find a fill write up with all the details of the core windings and a comparison of each filter to the ELSIE simulation on my blog here:
?
Cheers,
Oliver KI3P


Re: CAT Transmit

 

All:

The final version of the code is about to be released by Al and I and we are turning it over to Oliver to care for it in the future. There are coding style differences that some people will disagree with, and that's fine. Jerry has be active in working with the code and prefers another style. What follows is my response to some of the questions he raised.

=============

It is kinda a matter of choice and style. As to finding function prototypes, I have tried to maintain those alphabetically in the SDT.h header file. I've done the same for globals. The problem is that more than one person is editing the code and header file(s).

Also, you landed on one of my pet peeves: the confusion between the terms "define" and "declare". They are not the same terms. You said:

A class definition doesn't assign storage.

That is incorrect. From the 2nd edition of the K&R C book, page 210:

??? Declarations specify the interpretation given to each identifier; they do not necessarily reserve storage associated with the identifier. Declarations that reserve storage are called definitions.

The first sentence above means that a declaration creates an attribute list for each variable and stores it in the symbol table. Because declarations do not allocate storage for the variable, that attribute list will NOT contain an entry that specifies where in memory to find that variable. This memory location is called the lvalue of a variable. (What a variable contains is called the rvalue. The terms lvalue and rvalue are likely hangovers from assembly language programming for location (lvalue) and register (rvalue) concepts.) It is only after a definition of the variable that it has an lvalue that can be added to the attribute list found in the symbol table.

If anyone still thinks they are the same, then have them explain the need for the C extern keyword. The extern keyword was created specifically because of the need to use a variable in one file when it is defined in another file. The data declaration in one file:

??? extern int myVariable;

says to the compiler: "I know this variable is not defined in this file, but you can assume it's an int variable named myVariable and it is defined elsewhere in the program." Think of the compiler generating the code for the variable but instead of suppling the variable's lvalue, it leaves "????" in the generated code where the lvalue should be. Then, in the Arduino environment, in the INO file we find the definition of myVariable:

??? int myVariable;

which is the program statement that defines the variable myVariable. This definition allocates storage and allows the compiler to fill in the lvalue for this variable in the symbol table. Now, after the compiler finishes, the linker comes along looking at the generated code from the compiler and sees the ???? marker in the object file, looks in the symbol table for ???? in the symbol table, and substitutes that variable's lvalue for the ???? marker. When it's done with that, the linker continues to stitch in the code from the libraries and any other extern declarations to generate the final program code.

Using the terms define and declare as if they are the same concepts is wrong, but most programmers fail to make the distinction. Indeed, even Microsoft's documentation treats the two terms the same. Programming is confusing enough without confusing the terms that are integral to it.

Jack, W8TEE


?
On Saturday, February 15, 2025 at 10:59:24 AM EST, jerry <jerry@...> wrote:


? I'm not a fan of this coding approach where class methods are defined
> in a header file...I just don't like to see executable code in a
> header file. Nor do I like the idea of each cpp file having it's own
> header file. I just seems like clutter to me. On the other side, I
> think this was written by Paul and I have the utmost respect for his
> code. Kinda a rock/hard-place for me.
>
> Jack, W8TEE

I OTOH like the idea of a matching header file for each .cpp file.?
Having
everything in SDT.h seems.... like clutter.? Lots of scanning up & down
in
that huge file.? How to find the prototypes to call stuff in CAT.cpp??
Easy,
they're in CAT.h.? No scanning up & down.

Aesthetically, that giant SDT.h file gives me a similar feeling to
seeing
a few zillion global variables.

You and Al architected the T41 as a collection of small modules with
well
defined functions and interfaces that can be dropped in & out.? I feel
that
the software should be the same way.? A .cpp file/.h file pair with well
defined
interfaces that can be dropped in & out.? So - for example - if I want a
CW
keyer in another project, I can grab cw_keyer.cpp and cw_keyer.h, and I
pretty
much have it.? Yeah, I'll have to tweak them for another architecture,
but I won't have to go scanning through some giant file to find the bits
that correspond.

I do agree on the concept of not having anything whatsoever executable
inside an include file.? Or rather - not having anything that assigns
storage.
A class definition doesn't assign storage.? But it still looks messy.

? I did use the USB output on another project.? It worked fine.? It
should
work here too.? Time to get to work.


? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? - Jerry


--
Jack, W8TEE


Re: Software for Chapter 9 AT with Graphical SWR Analyzer

 

I don't seem to have the matching version. However, there is a file on the SCHR web site in the Files section that was posted on 7/15/21 that might be what you're looking for.

Jack, W8TEE


On Friday, February 14, 2025 at 07:02:43 PM EST, David Leckie via groups.io <djcleckie@...> wrote:


Hi Jack
?
I am not sure its the correct file as it seems to relate to your earlier Antenna Analyzer project and not your more recent MicroController Projects Chapter 9 "100 Watt Antenna Tuner"
?
The file AT.h appears to be different to the .h file as described on Page 9-23 of the book as there is no declaration of struct grafix.
?
The Menu options shown on page 9.22 of the book are
"Full",Band, Freq, Oper, Cal
i.e 5 menu options
but
in the .ino file there is the line
const char *menuOptions[] ? ? ? = {" Full ?", " ?Bands ?", " ?Freq ?", " ?Cal "};
?
i.e. Only 4 Menu Options - No Oper menu option.
?
Is it possible there has been a "mix up" with files for the Antenna Analyzer project and the files for the more recent 100 Watt Antenna Tuner?
?
73
?
Dave
GM4NFI
?
?
?
?

--
Jack, W8TEE


Re: Success

 

Hey Dr. Bill
5V Display
It was very flakey until I installed the Ferrites.
Now it is bullet proof, can not make it hang up or freeze.
V12
50.2 FW?
Audio is back working FB.
Other versions of code had no real audio just pulsing with or without ferrites.
Tim?