Goldberg Hand Pad
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Gary and Bill, I think I figured out my hand paddle control issue. When I plug the HC into the port on the SC I can get the motors to spin. Image .2325. If I trace the cable from the SC going to the stalk and plug the HC there, no response from the motors. Image .1357. Last night while trying to figure out the problem, why jiggle the cable high up the stalk would cause a fault. Bill, if you think appropriate, can you send me a new cable? What info do you need from me. Gary, thanks for your help. Steve Goldberg On 02/02/2025 7:39 AM CST K9RX - Gary via groups.io <amateurk9rx@...> wrote: Good morning Steve and Amelia, Ok ... so mostly good operation last night. A few comments re what you posted: -any 'drift' might be caused by not having done the backlash compensation. Is Amelia's scope and AN set up for the latest versions? If not you might want to upgrade to those as there were significant adds to each of them. -When you say - and I know its a day later and it looks like you didn't know even then, when you say "go below the horizon"... what does that mean? The AN doesn't actually say that. Do you mean it had an offset for a GOTO that would have taken it below the horizon? With the latest version (and I believe earlier ones) the system would not allow a GOTO below the horizon - the AN would do a down beat - bee...booooooop telling the user that it was indeed an object below the horizon. There is no need to stop using the system at that point - just go to an object that is not below the horizon. Not sure why she gave up. IF you think that indeed as I suggested might be the case for the loooong GOTO's the night before - there might be a slipping DSC encoder, you could at that time (or any time) go to MODE ALT AZ and see if the ALT is indicating it is below the horizon. The AN and ServoCAT have LOTS of protections built in re the horizon. For example if you are tracking an object that sets - the ALT tracking will stop at the horizon (the AZ will continue on). And as mentioned it won't allow a GOTO to an object below the horizon. Further remember that the horizon is as the AN sees it to be from the initial alignment. IF there is a slipping encoder this would of course mess with that potentially. Also - there is a parameter, I believe under SETUP GOTO that allows you to set a local horizon limit. So for example if you have trees all around that limit visibility to no lower than 20¡ã you can program that in. That will then become the local horizon limit. I have mine set to I believe 12¡ã just because I don't want to look through 10+ atmospheres near the horizon nor jeopardize the main mirror moving (tipping). -re your Gen3 HC. You might want to invest in a spare HC cable. Bill can sell that to you or you can find it online (unknown quality) by looking for a handset cable with a 4 pin RJ22 connector wired as a 'voice' cable. If it is the connector inside the HC or inside the ServoCAT that would be more work - but that is extremely rare. You can test the cable by plugging it in (during the day is fine) ... looking at the lights on it. After power up (all lights turn on briefly as a check) it should go to the red GUIDE fast light being on as well as the green GOTO. Wiggle the cable at one end a bunch of times and see if it restarts (lights off and then all lights back on briefly). Repeat at both ends. If one end seems to do this action, and you're sure of it, then reverse the cable and try again at THAT end of the CABLE. So - you have it plugged in and wiggle the HC end. Nothing happens. You wiggle the ServoCAT end and it seems to cause the HC lights to reset... hold THIS end of the cable - unplug it and move it to the HC - THIS end is the suspicious end... plug in the now free end to the CAT. Now repeat by wiggling at the HC. If it does it again then it is indeed the cable. If not - and it does it again by now, again, wiggling at the ServoCAT then its the ServoCAT connection. Contact bill if you suspect it is a fixed connection and not the cable. My strong suspicious is it is the cable. Gary ------ Original Message ------ From "Ste
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Pegasus SmartEye Camera
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I would be interested in getting your opinion of the Pegasus SmartEye camera to be released this Spring. The image can viewed with an iPad but would function as and used as an eyepiece. Because it could function as an eyepiece, it would give the viewer the experience of looking through a lens and not viewing a monitor - used during outreach would provide a more classic experience of looking into an eyepiece. The FOV when used with a DOB would depend on FL of the scope and the focal reducer (if used). It will be interesting to read users reviews when it released and hopefully if used by those with a DOB on a tracking ALT - AZ mount. It is currently priced at $1600! Mike
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Auto lock and imaging
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I thought I remember a post from someone that indicated not to use Autolock when imaging? Can anyone confirm whether that is true? I am tracking and live stacking in sharp cap and just wondering if Autolock is a factor or not¡ Mike
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Servocat Sky program
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I was thinking of replacing my laptop in the observatory but I can't find the CD to install the Servocat Sky program on the "new" laptop, is there a way to download the software without a CD? Best regards Gabriel
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SOLVED: Re: Problem tracking with ArgoNavis and ServoCat on my 20" f/4
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Mike, Glad things worked out... the beep you mentioned might have been the enter for the alignment star. If you have issues with power interruption write to me direct at : amateurk9rx at gmail com and we'll go from there. did you take that pic of 6946? That's a great image. If so I'd love to know the details. Gary
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Servo Cat moves after goto completes.
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I am asking on behalf of my clubs SC install. It is a 40" with a Nexus (not Pro). All GOTO's are via the Nexus. A couple of years ago just after a GOTO finished the SC would motor about 10 arcminutes from the target. Display on Nexus indication something like `0.10. It has progressively increased over the past year or so. Last outing it was nearly 1 degree. I can issue another GOTO and it will zero in a little better. Strange thing is it will nearly zero the target stops then proceed again to a position now that is 50+ arcminutes. Anybody got any ideas what the issue is? We are calling it overshoot. In it is acquiring the target then moving away. Bob
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Powered ground board
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I have a 12.5 obsession classic from 2004(serial number 1) I am wondering what power connection it has at the time of production. I was told its just a female 12v socket. I am unsure if that is correct. I am not in front of the scope til Friday/Saturday so an answer before I look at it would be appreciated so I can order a cable Daniel Vrolijk
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Bad Gen2 Handpad
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So the buttons on my hand pad have started to stick. I have removed the back to clear any dust (there does not appear to be any). Looking at the yellow buttons, they seem to be "clip-on" buttons, but I see no way to remove them to try and clean them to stop them from sticking. I am open to suggestions, replacement, or going to the GEN3 hand pad if there are any available and if they work with the older GEN2.
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Interesting Alt/Az driver rate calculators
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Hi all, In the first calculator (from Mel Bartels who pherhaps many of you already are familiar with) this question is asked: "How long can an altazimuth telescope track with constant rates of speed in the azimuth and altitude axis? An altazimuth telescope's drive rates vary continuously, more so in certain parts of the sky. Further, the rate of change in the drive rates changes. If the drive rates are left unchanged, eventually the tracking error will build to an unacceptable level. This calculator illustrates tracking errors. The error threshold and the time of constant drive rates can be varied." https://www.bbastrodesigns.com/AltazConstantMotionTrackingErrors.html This may pherhaps explain why my tracking is not as accurate as in the beginning of an evening, since i so far have noticed this at high altitudes. (i have now noticed this in both azimuth and alititude axis). Correct me if i am wrong: Without Astrolock the calculated drive rate is accurate for the objects location in the sky at that very moment, which makes sense for a visual system not intended to track the same object within the same pixels for hours and hours. When looking at the screen the drive rates are fixed except when Astrolock is engaged do the numbers change. So in other words, a few hours later the calculated drive rate would be slightly different. Last night i switched of Nexus, pointed at Polaris and from there performed the 2-star alignment again. Slewed back to the object and now tracking was like in the begining of the evening again, i did after a while notice some altitude drift but I think I recentered without taking out the backlash properly or something. Highly unscientific test with too many variables pherhaps. Next calculator: https://www.bbastrodesigns.com/altazCalc.html "This calculator outputs the altazimuth coordinates along with the tracking rates and the change in the tracking rate. Use the change in tracking rates to determine when an update to the tracking rates is required. There are no corrections applied to the coordinates such as precession and refraction." Interesting stuff! I am fascinated by alt/az tracking theory! Gabriel
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Christmas donation anyone...
Hello! So the Richmond Astronomical Society of Richmond VA is in need of a replacement Argo Navis for an "outreach" telescope that was donated to the club. The Argo on the scope currently is older with a clock battery circuit that is non-functional, internal battery that doesn't work and a button that is intermittent at best. I was wondering if anyone had an Argo that is of the "blue box" variety (the newer version) and that has all systems/parts working that might be willing to donate or sell at a reduced cost to the club for outreach purposes. The club is a 501c3 and can provide a receipt for tax deduction purposes if desired. Please contact me off list at amateurk9rx at gmail dot com for more info on how you might be able to assist us. regards and the best of the holiday to all ... Gary Myers StellarCAT
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Servocat + Nexus DSC Pro + LX200 driver in NINA is now working
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Hi all, Yesterday i got a chance to try out the new firmware that Serge has developed, he recommended the Meade driver over Servocat so i gave it a try, the Meade generic driver does not work for me in NINA "Telescope connection lost, reconnect telescope" but the Advanced LX200 driver works really well. It is found under the legacy driver link on the ASCOM website (+ a few clicks more) but here is the the direct link to where the download is: https://pixelstelescopes.wordpress.com/advanced-lx200/ Here is the Meade generic driver that Serge has tested in Sharpcap and recommended: (a newer one has been realeased but Serge has not tested it) https://bitbucket.org/cjdskunkworks/meadeautostar497/downloads/ The first thing i did was point the telescope roughly at Polaris (i have a mark on the rocker and groundboard for North) then i just placed my smartphone angle meter on the scope and adjusted the telescope so it read 63 degrees in other words my latitude and also Polaris altitude. Then i turned on the Nexus where i already had the alt reference at 63 degrees and azimuth at 0 degrees with 2-star alignment set to 2 star without alt reference (Nexus remembers this, thus always assuming that my scope is pointing at Polaris when i turn it on) so i just hit enter. I also turned on automatic tracking, a new feature to make the 2 star alignment easier. I then connected the mount, camera and focuser in NINA. Entered 50 degrees in altitude and 90 degrees in azimuth, hit slew. Then Solve + Sync. I then heard the "bell sound" from Nexus, i continued by entering 55 degrees in altitude and 45 degrees in azimuth, hit slew, solve + sync and once again the Nexus bell rang. (the choice of alignment coordinates was because i have not done a proper cable management around the scope) I checked the Nexus display and indeed it stated that the alignment was successful. Quite incredible that the simple automatic tracking feature was good enough to survive ASTAP which is known to be sensitive to star shapes etc. Next was NINAS framing tab, entered M81, then hit slew, bang M81 was exactly centered on the chip. (on a visual system with a driver from a completley different telescope, simply amazing!!). Very thankful for Serge and Garys effort in to making this posssible! + Mickey and others relentless effort for months, and of course Mike Zam who builds superb scopes. Quite a feeling not having to use the ladder or any eyepieces. I continued slewing to objects and testing things out and came to the following conclusions: The automatic slew and center does not work or takes very long time since Nexus does not report back "end of slew" despite the bell sound / numbers are 0.00. Or it could be because i have not adressed backlash in my system causing the initial drift due to lash make the LX200 driver think the telescope is still slewing. However the initial equivalent of a 2-star alignment was sufficient to put M81 bang in the middle so in that case slew and center is not even needed at all. If tracking is not spot on it may think the mount is slewing and will not initiate a new slew command. The driver does not support manual slew so taking out the backlash manually would have to be done on the handpad. Not sure if the Meade generic driver supports manual slew but i don't know why i can't connect to it, not even in Sharpcap. Next time out i will adress the backlash and align with greater separation, will be interesting to see the difference! I was very lucky the first 2 platesolves during the alignment, beacuse i soon discovered that ASTAP could not solve for the 30" on most places i went to in the sky, so i downloaded and configured Platesolve 3 from Planewave, tested up to 12 000 mm Focal length and it works every time, even with star trails, NINA recommends it for very narrow field of views with small stars. Link to the Platesolve 3 download: https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/842082-nina-platesolve-3-download/ Back to the mount I defined park as 63 degrees in altitude and 0 degrees in azimuth just to try it out and it parked, so it's as simple as that, define prefered parking position and it parks there. So this leaves me with the following challenges: I can't do all this remotley since i am not able to connect the mount in Nexus Infrastructure mode. I enter IP in Nexus Infrastructure mode in HW Virtual Serial Port, and TCP of 4060 then create a COM, like COM3 for example. The com is created and no error, but when i try and connect to the mount in NINA i get "Telescope connection lost, reconnect telescope" and it repeats if i try again. I have not found a guide on how to connect using Nexus Infrastructure mode like the guide for Nexus Access Point/WIFI so pherhaps i have missed something or misunderstod how it works. Mickey, you have figured this out right? The ability to go remote is fantastic but another benefit is that i can have the PC in my scopes rocker solving the problem with cable snags, it was difficult yesterday even though i had a long usb cable, i had to stop the slew command a few times. Moving on to an interesting opportunity: If it is possible to get automatic slew and center to work that means that it would be possible to create a sequence where one would press play when the scope is pointed at polaris and powered on, and with the help of NINAS function "Center after drift" would make the whole imaging session automated. With center after drift you enter say a drift of 5 arc minutes and platesolve every say 10 exposures, when that drift is exceeded Nina Slews and centers to the specified accuracy, so say within 2 arc minutes would probably be fine. I would be very thankful if someone could help me solve the Nexus Infrastructure issue or of there is another solution! Clear skies Gabriel
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LiFePO4 battery
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Hi, is it possible to use this battery with ServoCat? It has a higher voltage of up to 14.6 volts. This is more than lead batteries.
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Astro imaging with my Starstructure
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Hi all, my first post here. I have a Starstructure dob with Servocat and i am very inspired to try and get some decent astrophotos with it. The thing is i already have an automated imaging rig that can take "perfect pictures" so the reason i would like to use the dob for imaging is the same reasons why you would not use it for imaging, in other words it's the challenge of solving all the problems which makes it fun and also i will feel a greater appreciation of the results and i get to be more under the stars compared with an automated rig. I have attached 2 images, both taken with a Nikon D5300 DSLR and Explore Scientific HR Coma Corrector. The stars are ok on the M81 image (20 subs, 30 seconds each). I was quite surprised that it is possible to get away with 30 second subs. However, on the second NGC 2403 image (60 subs, 30 seconds each) it?s clear that tracking is not good enough so i am trying to figure out how to get more consistent results. Also the image is slightly out of focus but i have moved the EAF focuser from my imaging rig on to the dob so waiting for clear skies. Here is my method: 1. Nexus alt reference 2. Point to NCP and activate Easytrack so i am already tracking before the 2-star align. 3. 2-star on Polaris and Markab. 4. Goto on the target, center in the eyepeice and then i sync so that the numbers on the display are zero. I keep an eye on the numbers in case i need to do minor corrections untill Astrolock kicks in (i have set the delay to 60 seconds). What i noticed the last session was that the scope was not keeping up with the rate of the sky in Altitude and slighlty behind in Azimuth as well, so i did not manage to produce an ok image. I have done the following since then: 1. Added two 1.25kg weights to the back of the scope. 2. Cleaned the Alt and az bearings then sprayed Silicon spray on the surfaces. Definitely made a difference and the scope moves up as easy as it moves in Azimuth. (only tested it moving around with my hand disengaged). Might get a clear night tomorrow so will be fun to give it a try again. Bill mentioned that there are people here how do image with their dobs, so i am wondering if you have any pointers that could help me? Clear skies Gabriel
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Remote viewing with Nexus/Servocat
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Hi all, If i understand things correctly the Servocat Ascom driver only works with Argo and not Nexus. I can control my Starstructure with Sky-Safari on my smartphone but the Wifi has way to short range even tough i use a wifi-extender in the observatory for the security camera etc. Has anyone figured out a way without getting Argo Navis? Gabriel
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Servocat motors unresponsive after slew
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I¡¯m wondering if someone here can help diagnose an issue I¡¯m having with my 1998 Stellarcat Jr, which is installed in a 14.5¡± Starmaster dob, with the Sky Commander DSC. Everything was working perfectly a couple of days ago, but today, the motor stalls after a second or two of slewing. I¡¯ve unplugged and checked all the encoder and motor cables, and don¡¯t see anything obviously wrong. The symptom is that when I start up the system, the red light for DSC starts blinking, but doesn¡¯t turn solid. If I go ahead with 2-star alignment, I can then (sometimes) jog the telescope (either in azimuth or altitude), but after a couple of seconds, the motor seems to go fast for a second (at max slew), and then stops, and from then on it does not respond to the hand controller until I power cycle the system. Also, sometimes, if I unplug one of the encoder cables from the stellarcat box in this state, it starts slewing at max speed on one axis (the one I was trying to move before it stalled), and will keep going until I plug the cable back into the box (or turn off power). Any suggestions on what might be happening, or further tests to perform, would be appreciated. Thanks, - Rajeev
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Any Python Developers Here?
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There have been a number of posts on this group regarding adding plate-solving technology to a ServoCAT system. Either plate-solving would replace the DSC, or plate-solving would provide the initial 2-star alignment that the DSC requires upon initialization. I am aware of the eFinder developed by Keith Venables ("Astrokeith") in the UK. But the eFinder requires use of the Nexus DSC and does not (at this time) work with ArgoNavis. Also this is not a commercially available product -- users must build their own system. Some of you may be aware of a product called PiFinder, which is a commercially available plate-solving device primarily designed for use with push-to mounts. This product has seen constant improvements since it was introduced a year or two ago and receives excellent reviews by posters on CN. The PiFinder can already receive targets from SkySafari over wifi; hopefully it would not be too difficult to expand this functionality to PC-based star atlases as well. Earlier this week there was a post on CN asking "how long it will be before this [the PiFinder] talks directly to a ServoCat? Can a PiFinder replace the Argo Navis with 32K encoders?" I was very excited to see that the developer of the PiFinder responded to this inquiry: "YES. I'm very keen to see this happen, I think it's absolutely possible, and I have a pretty solid plan." The developer goes on to say that the "incredible folks at ServoCat" had supplied him with a loaner ServoCAT and a wealth of information, but he has just not had enough spare time to tackle this project. He asked whether anyone with a ServoCAT and Python development experience would be willing to volunteer to work on this project; he would provide a loaner PiFinder if necessary. https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/914101-anyone-use-pi-finder/page-3#entry13795556 Unfortunately I am not a coder. And no one on CN has publicly stepped up to take on this project. The members of this forum would benefit greatly from this development, so I thought I would post this message here. If you are a Python developer with some free time and would like to work on this project, can I ask you please to reach out to the PiFinder developer (I think his name is Rich) at info [at] pifinder.io and offer your services. You would be doing all of us a big favor! Paul
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Layout for new DSC-cable (RJ4) that connects Argo Navis with ServoCAT
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Hi I have unfortunately lost my DSC-cable that connects Argo Navis with ServoCAT. I would like to create a new cable but have been able to find the "recipe" for such a cable :-) Does anyone know the PIN-color layout to make such a cable? Thanks in advance. Kind regards Flemming Andreassen, owner of 20" Classic Obsession f/5 with ServoCAT and Argo Navis.
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Encoder error
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Dear all, I experience some ? encoder error ? indicated on the AN. Sometimes ? alt encoder error ?, sometimes ? az encoder error ?, sometimes ? both encoder error ? This occurs at nearly all observing sessions but not all. i tried to clean electric contacts with spray to improve electric contacts. No improvement Then put little carbon (corindon) pearls on each wire to avoid electrostatic (if I¡¯m right) problems I tried to change the Ton and Toff settings. Originally was Ton17, Toff17 which means if I understand properly that AN was checking encoder half of the time I then put Ton17 and Toff0, which means AN is checking encoders in continuous Still no improvement Any idea to solve this ? What is impact of these encoder errors : Precision of pointing ? thanks for your replies Rapha?l
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Axle between brass altitude wire pulley and timing belt has broken or come apart - how to fix
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I have an 18 inch Obsession UC from 2012. I set everything up and thought the ALT motor was not working. Turns out the motor, belt and pulley are turning but the inner brass pulley is not. I can turn the brass pulley by hand. It appears the set screw on the collar between the belt pulley and brass pulley axle will no longer hold and the black plastic collar has a crack and separation on it. Is there a way I can reconnect these two axles without sending the whole thing in? Thanks for any advice. Peter
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Replacement for electronic terminal at base of Argo Navis stock
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Greeting, Was wondering if a replacement part for the electronic cord terminal at the base of the Argo Navis stock on my 18" Obsession with Stellar Cat is available anywhere. Thanks! Best, John
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