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Re: Newbie wants help setting up ipad control of AN

 

Hi Dale,

It was a pity my original response got lost. Even more so because I had spent considerable time composing it into what would have clearly been the best response to any question ever asked on the Internet. LOL

I will have a second go but I promise you it won't be as good as my original attempt which appears lost to the ether. :)

Normally with the ServoCAT the preferred wiring topology is :-

Planetarium <-> ServoCAT <-> Argo Navis

One then selects ServoCAT on the planetarium program (assuming you are using, say, Sky Safari that supports it) and then the ServoCAT relays commands and responses forward and back from the Argo Navis as required.

To do this, one uses the ServoCAT port marked as PC. However, all late model ServoCATs have a USB PC socket rather than an RS-232 connection (internally it converts back to RS-232).

Now with newer devices like the SkyFi 3, this is not a problem because SkyFi 3 supports USB and RS-232 connectivity.

However, the SkyWire device only supports RS-232, so that means the topology you will have to use is :-

Planetarium <-> Argo Navis

So you can use the "other" Argo Navis serial port, the one not interfaced to the ServoCAT, to do this.

On the Argo Navis side, set the startup command protocol to 'meade' and the Baud rate to 9600.

Whenever changing the STARTUP setting, be sure to press EXIT or ENTER to escape the menu and save the setting to non-volatile memory.

Then power OFF the unit and power it back ON so the new STARTUP command starts.

On the SkySafari side, use a setting of Meade LX200 GOTO, not the PUSHTO setting.

SkySafari will then track the telescopes movements. If you select an object on Sky Safari and issue a "GOTO", the Argo Navis

FROM PLANETARIUM entry will be filled and you can guide to the target in the normal way.

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The SkyWire and newer SkyFi 3 devices have a DB-9 connector.

If you are using the standard Argo Navis Serial Cable, then you should be good to go. Simply mate it with the DB-9 on the SkyWire/SkyFi 3.

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Though other serial cables might look similar, chances are they are wired completely different. There is no standard and the Argo Navis Serial to PC cables are custom made. For DIY types you need to refer to the Argo Navis User's Manual in Appendix C which has the port pinouts and Google a PC DB-9 connector and remember to cross RXD and TXD. Many DIY enthusiasts get their cables wrong and that in itself can represent a false economy as we then can then all lose a lot of time attempting to assist.

For example, the RJ-to-RJ plug cable can be wired with the connections straight through or reversed.

Inside the DB-9 header there can be a multiplicity of permutations for the wires that go from the RJ socket to the DB-9 pins.

For a DIY cable you would need to buzz out the cable from end to end with a multimeter ensuring the three critical wires match the Appendix C and IBM PC pinouts with RXD and TXD crossing over.

The SkyBT device has a DB-9 connector that mimics that of a COM port of an IBM PC.

https://www.db9-pinout.com/

Only three wires are used.

GND needs to be connected to GND.

RXD on one side needs to be connected to TXD on the other.

TXD on one side needs to be connected to RXD on the other.

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Gary Kopff
Managing Director
Wildcard Innovations Pty. Ltd.
20 Kilmory Place
Mount Kuring-Gai NSW 2080
Australia
Phone +61-2-9457-9049
sales@...
https://www.wildcard-innovations.com.au


Re: AN Reinitializing in Middle of Session

 

Thanks Wes.? Paul


Re: Newbie wants help setting up ipad control of AN

 

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Hi Gary,


Happy Christmas mate. Sadly your initial response appears lost!


I have attached Martin Lewis's notes that he made when trying to control my scope with his ipad. I have now recreated the set up but am struggling with his directions? I hope the document has the complete 2 pages!


Best wishes, Dale





------ Original Message ------
From: "Wildcard Innovations" <wildcard@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 Dec, 22 At 08:16
Subject: Re: [ServoCAT] Newbie wants help setting up ipad control of AN

Hi Dale,

I just spent time authoring a response but when I hit Reply to Group, I could not see it and backing up didn't give me the ability to retrieve.

If for some reason my response does not appear, could you please email sales@... and I will respond from there.

That way I can be sure you get a response.
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Gary Kopff
Managing Director
Wildcard Innovations Pty. Ltd.
20 Kilmory Place
Mount Kuring-Gai NSW 2080
Australia
Phone +61-2-9457-9049
sales@...
https://www.wildcard-innovations.com.au


Do you want to know more about my interest in astronomy? If so take a look at my Website:
Keep up to date with observations from Chippingdale Observatory by reading the Blog


Re: AN Reinitializing in Middle of Session

 

Hey Paul,?
?I had a similar problem with “Zamar” ; fully SDM Pimped 20” Ob classic . For better or worse I chose the largest lithium ?AA batteries for the AG. Stopped the problem dead ??
Fixed?

On Sun, Dec 18, 2022 at 6:45 AM Paul Abel <pabel0418@...> wrote:
Everyone, many thanks for the quick replies.? I did not have batteries in the AN before this (which is why I discovered the issue!) but I do now.? We hosted a star party last night and the issue did not pop up, so the batteries probably did their thing.

I did receive Gary M's comprehensive list of things to check and will start troubleshooting.? I will post again when problem located and solved or if I have further questions.

Clear skies and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!

Paul

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Cheers
Wes Smith?


Re: Newbie wants help setting up ipad control of AN

 

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Many thanks Gary I really appreciate your support. I’m sure that once I get it set up and use it a couple of times to ingrain I will be fine.

Dale

------ Original Message ------
On Wednesday, 21 Dec, 22 At 08:16, Wildcard Innovations<wildcard@...> wrote:

Hi Dale,

I just spent time authoring a response but when I hit Reply to Group, I could not see it and backing up didn't give me the ability to retrieve.

If for some reason my response does not appear, could you please email sales@...?and I will respond from there.

That way I can be sure you get a response.
--

Gary Kopff
Managing Director
Wildcard Innovations Pty. Ltd.
20 Kilmory Place
Mount Kuring-Gai NSW 2080
Australia
Phone +61-2-9457-9049
sales@...
https://www.wildcard-innovations.com.au


Re: Newbie wants help setting up ipad control of AN

 

Hi Dale,

I just spent time authoring a response but when I hit Reply to Group, I could not see it and backing up didn't give me the ability to retrieve.

If for some reason my response does not appear, could you please email sales@...?and I will respond from there.

That way I can be sure you get a response.
--

Gary Kopff
Managing Director
Wildcard Innovations Pty. Ltd.
20 Kilmory Place
Mount Kuring-Gai NSW 2080
Australia
Phone +61-2-9457-9049
sales@...
https://www.wildcard-innovations.com.au


Newbie wants help setting up ipad control of AN

 

Hi all I'm trying to set up Sky Safari on an ipad running through a Skywire to control my 24" Dob. I'm very poor with technology so I apologise in advance. I think I have connected to serial port 2 after removing the encoder plug.
The next instruction I have been given is "In AN Setup I set up Serial 2 socket to Baud 9600 and Startup Meade" can this be clarified for me please?

Regards, Dale


Re: AN Reinitializing in Middle of Session

 

Everyone, many thanks for the quick replies.? I did not have batteries in the AN before this (which is why I discovered the issue!) but I do now.? We hosted a star party last night and the issue did not pop up, so the batteries probably did their thing.

I did receive Gary M's comprehensive list of things to check and will start troubleshooting.? I will post again when problem located and solved or if I have further questions.

Clear skies and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!

Paul


Re: AN Reinitializing in Middle of Session

 

Paul,

Indeed as mentioned the issue is in the powered option to the ground board. This is invariably caused by a not quite right installation ... I will send you a list of things to check starting with the most common issues. Write to me direct if you have additional questions. And as noted by Gary K we recommend if only because 'stuff happens' like the battery powering the scope can be disconnected etc - we recommend to leave batteries in the AN. This way if something happens you don't lose the alignment. We do recommend you replace batteries in the Argo no less often than every 6 months - whether used or not (if not used then you can use them for other things) ... or every 3 months at the solstice/equinox.?

Gary Myers
StellarCAT



------ Original Message ------
From "Richard" <rmille64@...>
Date 12/16/2022 5:48:00 AM
Subject Re: [ServoCAT] AN Reinitializing in Middle of Session

Check the powered ground board hardware. ?I suspect you have a loose plate screw making an intermittent connection on the bottom plate. ?I had a similar problem and added thread locker to prevent my screws from backing out.

Richard

Richard Miller
33.51N 83.59W
UC18 & DS287m

From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Paul Abel <pabel0418@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 11:13:41 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [ServoCAT] AN Reinitializing in Middle of Session
?
I am using a SC V3 and an AN with the latest firmware.? My last 2 or 3 outings have been cut short because when I am moving my scope manually with the SC handpad, the scope suddenly stops moving, the AN beeps and loses its previous 2 star alignment, and then goes into MODE FIX ALT REF.? It happened several times tonight and I paid more attention to what was happening.? Hopefully someone can help me figure this out.

After turning on the SC and AN, I set up MODE FIX ALT REF.? I then successfully performed a two star alignment by hitting Enter on the AN when the selected stars were in the middle of the FOV.? The red light on the SC changed from blinking to steady on.? Because the dome where the scope is located is somewhat cluttered, I want to control the direction the scope uses when finding the first catalog object.? So I am using the movement buttons on the SC handpad when the scope stops as described above.

So I repeat the two star alignment, am again successful and when I move the scope with the handpad the same thing happens.? I see something flash on the AN screen but I am too far away to see what it says.

So I align for a third time.? This time to align on the second star I use the GOTO button on the SC handpad.? I get the beeps, and the flashing red light on the SC goes steady on.? I realize that I did not hear the beeps the first two successful alignments.? To me this is strange because I thought hitting Enter on the AN or the GOTO button on the SC handpad were exact equivalents?

This time I am able to manually move the scope to the first object I want to observe.? After observation, I choose the second object I want to observe in the catalog and start moving the scope with the SC handpad.? Again I get the reset described in the first paragraph above.? This time however I am able to see that when the scope stops moving the AN screen says "Argo Navis Initializing" before going into MODE FIX ALT REF.

I am powering both the AN and the SC off the powered ground board on my dob (a Starstructure). The current is supplied by a Pyramid AC to DC converter.

Obviously this is very frustrating and I would appreciate any guidance anyone might have.

Paul


Re: AN Reinitializing in Middle of Session

 

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Check the powered ground board hardware. ?I suspect you have a loose plate screw making an intermittent connection on the bottom plate. ?I had a similar problem and added thread locker to prevent my screws from backing out.

Richard

Richard Miller
33.51N 83.59W
UC18 & DS287m


From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Paul Abel <pabel0418@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 11:13:41 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: [ServoCAT] AN Reinitializing in Middle of Session
?
I am using a SC V3 and an AN with the latest firmware.? My last 2 or 3 outings have been cut short because when I am moving my scope manually with the SC handpad, the scope suddenly stops moving, the AN beeps and loses its previous 2 star alignment, and then goes into MODE FIX ALT REF.? It happened several times tonight and I paid more attention to what was happening.? Hopefully someone can help me figure this out.

After turning on the SC and AN, I set up MODE FIX ALT REF.? I then successfully performed a two star alignment by hitting Enter on the AN when the selected stars were in the middle of the FOV.? The red light on the SC changed from blinking to steady on.? Because the dome where the scope is located is somewhat cluttered, I want to control the direction the scope uses when finding the first catalog object.? So I am using the movement buttons on the SC handpad when the scope stops as described above.

So I repeat the two star alignment, am again successful and when I move the scope with the handpad the same thing happens.? I see something flash on the AN screen but I am too far away to see what it says.

So I align for a third time.? This time to align on the second star I use the GOTO button on the SC handpad.? I get the beeps, and the flashing red light on the SC goes steady on.? I realize that I did not hear the beeps the first two successful alignments.? To me this is strange because I thought hitting Enter on the AN or the GOTO button on the SC handpad were exact equivalents?

This time I am able to manually move the scope to the first object I want to observe.? After observation, I choose the second object I want to observe in the catalog and start moving the scope with the SC handpad.? Again I get the reset described in the first paragraph above.? This time however I am able to see that when the scope stops moving the AN screen says "Argo Navis Initializing" before going into MODE FIX ALT REF.

I am powering both the AN and the SC off the powered ground board on my dob (a Starstructure). The current is supplied by a Pyramid AC to DC converter.

Obviously this is very frustrating and I would appreciate any guidance anyone might have.

Paul


Re: AN Reinitializing in Middle of Session

 

Hi Paul,

First of all don't forget you can always reach out to us directly by emailing sales@...
I then see those emails immediately.

It will almost certainly be a power related issue on your scope, such as an intermittent open circuit.

A typical scenario is where a powered ground board has an intermittent open circuit.

Some users also place a set of AA batteries in their unit (remember to remove them when storing the unit for an extended period in case one leaks).
The idea is that the AA batteries will takeover seamlessly if the external DC power fails.
However, this in itself can often mask an underlying problem.
What can happen is that the external power goes open circuit from time to time and the AA batteries take over without the user even being aware of it.
Over time, the AA batteries become depleted and the next time there is an open circuit, the unit may just have enough power to start, but once it applies power to the encoders,
the additional current draw drops the voltage below that at which the unit can operate and the unit does a power on reset.

If you dial up MODE STATUS, STATUS POWER you can observe what power source it is using at any one time.

If you do have a set of backup AA batteries in the unit, as a diagnostic, remove them.

In any case to do the test, move the scope around in azimuth and up and down in altitude (the shifting of the COG when moving in altitude might also induce an open in a power ground board).

if it transpires it is the power ground board, to rectify it disassemble it and clean it. Or a squirt of good electrical contact cleaner, such as CRC.

On a collection of scopes near here in Sydney at a location not far from the ocean where the air is salty, we see powered ground build up light oxidation over time and they require annual maintenance.
Humid locations might require a similar maintenance schedule.

If you need further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact me directly.

Seasons Greetings!

--
Gary Kopff
Managing Director
Wildcard Innovations Pty. Ltd.
20 Kilmory Place
Mount Kuring-Gai NSW 2080
Australia
Phone +61-2-9457-9049
sales@...
https://www.wildcard-innovations.com.au


AN Reinitializing in Middle of Session

 

I am using a SC V3 and an AN with the latest firmware.? My last 2 or 3 outings have been cut short because when I am moving my scope manually with the SC handpad, the scope suddenly stops moving, the AN beeps and loses its previous 2 star alignment, and then goes into MODE FIX ALT REF.? It happened several times tonight and I paid more attention to what was happening.? Hopefully someone can help me figure this out.

After turning on the SC and AN, I set up MODE FIX ALT REF.? I then successfully performed a two star alignment by hitting Enter on the AN when the selected stars were in the middle of the FOV.? The red light on the SC changed from blinking to steady on.? Because the dome where the scope is located is somewhat cluttered, I want to control the direction the scope uses when finding the first catalog object.? So I am using the movement buttons on the SC handpad when the scope stops as described above.

So I repeat the two star alignment, am again successful and when I move the scope with the handpad the same thing happens.? I see something flash on the AN screen but I am too far away to see what it says.

So I align for a third time.? This time to align on the second star I use the GOTO button on the SC handpad.? I get the beeps, and the flashing red light on the SC goes steady on.? I realize that I did not hear the beeps the first two successful alignments.? To me this is strange because I thought hitting Enter on the AN or the GOTO button on the SC handpad were exact equivalents?

This time I am able to manually move the scope to the first object I want to observe.? After observation, I choose the second object I want to observe in the catalog and start moving the scope with the SC handpad.? Again I get the reset described in the first paragraph above.? This time however I am able to see that when the scope stops moving the AN screen says "Argo Navis Initializing" before going into MODE FIX ALT REF.

I am powering both the AN and the SC off the powered ground board on my dob (a Starstructure). The current is supplied by a Pyramid AC to DC converter.

Obviously this is very frustrating and I would appreciate any guidance anyone might have.

Paul


Re: Wildcard Innovations update?

 

Hi Richard,

Feel free to email us direct any time. :)

Progress has been made but unfortunately the global semiconductor supply chain issues are impacting just about everyone right now who manufactures anything, including us.

So unfortunately it won't be under your Christmas tree this year. But maybe next. :)

--

Gary Kopff
Managing Director
Wildcard Innovations Pty. Ltd.
20 Kilmory Place
Mount Kuring-Gai NSW 2080
Australia
Phone +61-2-9457-9049
sales@...
https://www.wildcard-innovations.com.au


Wildcard Innovations update?

 

All,

Has anyone heard if Gary Kopff has made progress on his project??

Although, I have to say I am a very happy customer of ServoCAT and observe remotely after I set "from planetarium" mode in the Argo Navis.

Richard


Re: Gen 3 handpad buttons sticking

 

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silicone spray its sold at walmart? and others in auto or hardware these days.? Shake the can well , just a small amount does the job, any excess wipes off easy.?
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From: Cale
Sent: Monday, November 28, 2022 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [ServoCAT] Gen 3 handpad buttons sticking
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What type or brand of fine silicone mist do you use.? Do you simply spray lightly on the buttons and let it kind of penetrate?
Thanks
Cale
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On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 11:30 AM leroy <lmarion@...> wrote:
I have fixed all the sticking buttons on all the different hand controls over the years with fine mist silicone, they never stuck again.
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roy in montana weather
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From: Mike
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [ServoCAT] Gen 3 handpad buttons sticking
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Nope exactly same as you.

On Nov 27, 2022, at 8:14 AM, claude.junge via <claude.junge=[email protected]> wrote:

?Hi Mike, did we misunderstand ? I've had my buttons physically sticking too.


Re: Gen 3 handpad buttons sticking

Cale
 

What type or brand of fine silicone?mist do you use.? Do you simply spray lightly on the buttons and let it kind of penetrate?
Thanks
Cale

On Mon, Nov 28, 2022 at 11:30 AM leroy <lmarion@...> wrote:
I have fixed all the sticking buttons on all the different hand controls over the years with fine mist silicone, they never stuck again.
?
roy in montana weather
?
From: Mike
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [ServoCAT] Gen 3 handpad buttons sticking
?
Nope exactly same as you.

On Nov 27, 2022, at 8:14 AM, claude.junge via <claude.junge=[email protected]> wrote:

?Hi Mike, did we misunderstand ? I've had my buttons physically sticking too.


Re: Gen 3 handpad buttons sticking

 

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Thanks Roy. I might give that a try

On Nov 28, 2022, at 11:30 AM, leroy <lmarion@...> wrote:

?
I have fixed all the sticking buttons on all the different hand controls over the years with fine mist silicone, they never stuck again.
?
roy in montana weather
?
From: Mike
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [ServoCAT] Gen 3 handpad buttons sticking
?
Nope exactly same as you.

On Nov 27, 2022, at 8:14 AM, claude.junge via groups.io <claude.junge@...> wrote:

?Hi Mike, did we misunderstand ? I've had my buttons physically sticking too.


Re: Gen 3 handpad buttons sticking

 

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I have fixed all the sticking buttons on all the different hand controls over the years with fine mist silicone, they never stuck again.
?
roy in montana weather
?

From: Mike
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2022 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [ServoCAT] Gen 3 handpad buttons sticking
?
Nope exactly same as you.

On Nov 27, 2022, at 8:14 AM, claude.junge via groups.io <claude.junge@...> wrote:

?Hi Mike, did we misunderstand ? I've had my buttons physically sticking too.


Re: Gen 3 handpad buttons sticking

 

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Nope exactly same as you.

On Nov 27, 2022, at 8:14 AM, claude.junge via groups.io <claude.junge@...> wrote:

?Hi Mike, did we misunderstand ? I've had my buttons physically sticking too.


Re: Gen 3 handpad buttons sticking

 

Hi Mike, did we misunderstand ? I've had my buttons physically sticking too.