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S2 27 for sale

 

"Jesse's Girl" is apparently up for sale in St Joe, Michigan...



The boat in Norfolk, VA, is still for sale (been listed for at least a year.) It has been re-powered with an 18 HP Yanmar 2GM20F(V).



I have no interest in either of these boats, but I have spoken with the owner of the boat in St Joe...he and his wife are great folks. It's a nice boat, and certainly a good value at that price. Maybe we can stir the pot a bit, and help these owners get them sold.


1987 (B) Keel Configuaration and Keel Bolt

 

Finally posted a series of photos in the "More Bilge and Keel Bolts" Photos section of the keel configuration and the keel bolts for my 1987 "B" model, hull #80. Somewhat different from Rick's "A" model. Note the use of mild steel washers, which are very rusty. Very shallow bilge, just like the earlier models. I probably should do something about the rusty washers in the near future...ahh, well, I like livin' on the edge... ;) Ha!


She's a thumper...! Just like mine... :)

 

Hey Rick,

Okay...the vids caused Both Firefox and IE to crash when I clicked on them to get them to run in both browsers, so I downloaded the vids to my machine (right click, then "Save Link As" in Firefox.) Thanks for posting them.

My interpretation: your belt is either loose or stretched. Should only have a quarter inch or so play. I think I'd replace the belt. Check for cracks; if you find some, replace the belt, then carry a spare.

At 1800 rpm or 2400 rpm, she doesn't move around very much, but at idle she does shake a bit, just like mine (well, perhaps a bit more). Could be that both of our rubber engine mounts need replacement. Of course, since she's a one-lunger, she's gonna thump and shake a bit...

One guy's opinion...

The shaking question might be posted on the Yanmar Yahoo list. Could be some good (i.e., knowledgeable) responses there.



Cheers!

Dave S.
S2 27, Hull #80

--- In s227classassociation@..., "s227classassociation" <rperret@...> wrote:

Is my v-belt moving around too much? also at idle does your yanmar shake as much as mine does???

Commissioned in the water Monday - but my new seacock leaked - so had to haul out and figure out what the heck is going on....

Rick


Re: Some yanmar videos posted - interested in opinion...VIDEOS ARE IN FILE SECT.

 

--- In s227classassociation@..., "s227classassociation" <rperret@...> wrote:

Is my v-belt moving around too much? also at idle does your yanmar shake as much as mine does???

Commissioned in the water Monday - but my new seacock leaked - so had to haul out and figure out what the heck is going on....

Rick


Some yanmar videos posted - interested in opinion...

 

Is my v-belt moving around too much? also at idle does your yanmar shake as much as mine does???

Commissioned in the water Monday - but my new seacock leaked - so had to haul out and figure out what the heck is going on....

Rick


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Spring is nearly here!

 

Sorry Rick, no info to assist with mast wires.
I have to decide whether to pay for the bucket lift before launch or wait til after and climb my mast to fix the windex and re-thread the spin halyard. But before that, there's a water pump O-ring, both fuel filters, clean the fuel tank, bottom paint top coat, and I really ought to take the PO's home port letters off the transom this year. Hope it stops raining for a few minutes this month...

Bob


Spring is nearly here!

 

right....its going to be 20 degrees here in CT - 2 weeks ago it was 70. go figure.

tried to sand bottom last week - but my Home Dept Rigid sander started shocking me - ie, I was the ground... after 3 jolts I thought it best to live sans a clean bottom this week. Best part was going to HD and getting a new sander. It came with lifetime warranty - person at sales deck says $35 refurbish fee.....i say - what? - sears and lowes does exchanges on all their tools - got a new sander from them in about 5 min. Also bought a breaker box for end of cable and tester...(i know the box at the yard was fine - but i don't want to get shocked again)

today was a day in the boat toy store - Defender Industries up here in CT. defender.com - their prices normally are well below West Marine - and they are a mail order business - 1X per year they open their warehouse - 3 days of sales.

QUESTION - any of you guys rewire your mast? I'm replacing the steaming/deck light that I purchased today - didn't know if there is a wiring conduit or not in the mast - any tips on ensuring wiring is supported properly?

thanks

Rick


Re: Official PHRF rating for JAM

 

Thanks, Rick. That's a great website, and it verifies that the rating assigned informally to my boat last year is likely about right. Now if I were only a better helmsman, so I could sail the boat to the rating...! Glad that there aren't any C&C 27 MkVs in our local fleet.

Dave S.
s/v Clio
1987 S2 27, hull #80

--- In s227classassociation@..., "s227classassociation" <rperret@...> wrote:


Having posting issues....

Go to ecsa.net and on left nav bar click phrf lookup.

Search in year 2003, 2004, 2005 for a boat named Esperance. It's my boat but was rated under PO. You'll see ratings for spin and non spin.

Rick
--- In s227classassociation@..., "uswa174" <uswa174@> wrote:

Anyone in the group ever get an official S2 27 PHRF rating for racing in a JAM fleet? Page 4 of the Owner's Manual gives a 174 rating, but I suspect that is for a spinn fleet, and without an inboard engine. The New England PHRF fleet () lists two base ratings:

S2 27 = 180
S2 27 IB (for inboard) = 186

Last summer, my local club assigned me a 206 rating for the two JAM fun races I entered, so I'm just curious how close that rating really is. My boat is the 5'9" deep keel model.

Dave S.
s/v Clio
1987 S2 27, hull #80


Re: Official PHRF rating for JAM

 

My boat is the 5'9" deep keel model.
Uh, d'oh!

...let me try that again. 4'9" fin keel.

My bad.


Re: Official PHRF rating for JAM

 

Having posting issues....

Go to ecsa.net and on left nav bar click phrf lookup.

Search in year 2003, 2004, 2005 for a boat named Esperance. It's my boat but was rated under PO. You'll see ratings for spin and non spin.

Rick

--- In s227classassociation@..., "uswa174" <uswa174@...> wrote:

Anyone in the group ever get an official S2 27 PHRF rating for racing in a JAM fleet? Page 4 of the Owner's Manual gives a 174 rating, but I suspect that is for a spinn fleet, and without an inboard engine. The New England PHRF fleet () lists two base ratings:

S2 27 = 180
S2 27 IB (for inboard) = 186

Last summer, my local club assigned me a 206 rating for the two JAM fun races I entered, so I'm just curious how close that rating really is. My boat is the 5'9" deep keel model.

Dave S.
s/v Clio
1987 S2 27, hull #80


Re: Official PHRF rating for JAM

 

Hit send button too fast. For JAM 202-208 is about right depending upon genny size, roller furler, prop, et al.

I think I had a 208 rating at my club - I didn't have a Cert, I just showed them the old Cert and told them about my roller furler and smaller genny.

One thing I do notice is this boat does not sail well to it's phrf rating...if you sail in a class with a bunch of poor helmsmen you'll be ok, but in a relatively well sailed phrf fleet the rating does not help. A great phrf killing boat is the C&C 27 MkV.

It rates same as our boats but is several hundred pounds lighter and has a larger SA/D ratio if I recall. I tried to find one to buy a few years ago but yhe MkV is hard to find.

Rick.

--- In s227classassociation@..., "uswa174" <uswa174@...> wrote:

Anyone in the group ever get an official S2 27 PHRF rating for racing in a JAM fleet? Page 4 of the Owner's Manual gives a 174 rating, but I suspect that is for a spinn fleet, and without an inboard engine. The New England PHRF fleet () lists two base ratings:

S2 27 = 180
S2 27 IB (for inboard) = 186

Last summer, my local club assigned me a 206 rating for the two JAM fun races I entered, so I'm just curious how close that rating really is. My boat is the 5'9" deep keel model.

Dave S.
s/v Clio
1987 S2 27, hull #80


Re: Official PHRF rating for JAM

 

Dave

go to ECSA.net it's the site for the eastern Connecticut sailing association - they govern regattas east of Bridgeport, ct.

On left nav bar click phrf lookup and search years 2003-5 for the boat named Esperance - the PO of my boat had a valid phrf cert for spin and non spin.

Rick

--- In s227classassociation@..., "uswa174" <uswa174@...> wrote:

Anyone in the group ever get an official S2 27 PHRF rating for racing in a JAM fleet? Page 4 of the Owner's Manual gives a 174 rating, but I suspect that is for a spinn fleet, and without an inboard engine. The New England PHRF fleet () lists two base ratings:

S2 27 = 180
S2 27 IB (for inboard) = 186

Last summer, my local club assigned me a 206 rating for the two JAM fun races I entered, so I'm just curious how close that rating really is. My boat is the 5'9" deep keel model.

Dave S.
s/v Clio
1987 S2 27, hull #80


Official PHRF rating for JAM

 

Anyone in the group ever get an official S2 27 PHRF rating for racing in a JAM fleet? Page 4 of the Owner's Manual gives a 174 rating, but I suspect that is for a spinn fleet, and without an inboard engine. The New England PHRF fleet () lists two base ratings:

S2 27 = 180
S2 27 IB (for inboard) = 186

Last summer, my local club assigned me a 206 rating for the two JAM fun races I entered, so I'm just curious how close that rating really is. My boat is the 5'9" deep keel model.

Dave S.
s/v Clio
1987 S2 27, hull #80


Re: Bilge and Keel Bolts

 

Joe

thanks for taking the pix and posting when you can. Every bit of info we have helps us all.

Rick

--- In s227classassociation@..., "Joe" <jandpz@...> wrote:

Hey Dave and Rick,

My boat is shrink wrapped currently. When I unwrap it in April, I'll take some pics of my bilge. I have hull number 72, built in June 1986. I have the Shoal keel version. I have just had this boat for a yar so I'm a bit new at this. Reading your posts is very helpful. I wish I had more to contribute!

--- In s227classassociation@..., "uswa174" <uswa174@> wrote:



--- In s227classassociation@..., "s227classassociation" <rperret@> wrote:

i'll take a pix of my backing plate - 3/16" stainless plate about 2 x 2" with rounded corners and tapered edges to prevent any hard spots.
Thanks. I would really like to see those backing plates.

it seems that mild steel washers are common on lots of boats - not sure why.
It certainly does seem odd...the surveyor of my boat wrote that the rusty mild steel (ferric) washers needed to be replaced with SS, and he suggested torquing the nuts to 65 ft. lbs. Don't know where he got that number, but he's been surveying sailboats for many years in Milwaukee/Chicago, and he has a good reputation (Ph.D. in mechanical engineering).

i think the reason your bilge is different is that yours is a deck stepped mast vs keel stepped (i think). but it would be very interesting to see what your bilge looks like - and how the hull is reinforced (assume there are some stringers athwart) unless the redesigned the pan liner and stuff completely - interesting how the design changes happen - but I do recall you mentioning having a deck stepped mast.
You're right about the deck stepped mast on my boat, with a compression post in the cabin. Oddly enough, all of the S2 literature indicates keel stepped on the 27. Well, almost...the line drawing on the Model "B" brochure posted in the Photo section indicates keel stepped, but the photo on the last page of the brochure clearly shows a compression post. Regardless, the bilge configuration on my boat is clearly different than yours. I'll snap some pics, too, when the weather breaks (we got about a foot of snow last night, so it could be a while).

Cheers!

Dave S.
1987 S2 27
Hull #80


Re: Bilge and Keel Bolts

Joe
 

Hey Dave and Rick,

My boat is shrink wrapped currently. When I unwrap it in April, I'll take some pics of my bilge. I have hull number 72, built in June 1986. I have the Shoal keel version. I have just had this boat for a yar so I'm a bit new at this. Reading your posts is very helpful. I wish I had more to contribute!

--- In s227classassociation@..., "uswa174" <uswa174@...> wrote:



--- In s227classassociation@..., "s227classassociation" <rperret@> wrote:

i'll take a pix of my backing plate - 3/16" stainless plate about 2 x 2" with rounded corners and tapered edges to prevent any hard spots.
Thanks. I would really like to see those backing plates.

it seems that mild steel washers are common on lots of boats - not sure why.
It certainly does seem odd...the surveyor of my boat wrote that the rusty mild steel (ferric) washers needed to be replaced with SS, and he suggested torquing the nuts to 65 ft. lbs. Don't know where he got that number, but he's been surveying sailboats for many years in Milwaukee/Chicago, and he has a good reputation (Ph.D. in mechanical engineering).

i think the reason your bilge is different is that yours is a deck stepped mast vs keel stepped (i think). but it would be very interesting to see what your bilge looks like - and how the hull is reinforced (assume there are some stringers athwart) unless the redesigned the pan liner and stuff completely - interesting how the design changes happen - but I do recall you mentioning having a deck stepped mast.
You're right about the deck stepped mast on my boat, with a compression post in the cabin. Oddly enough, all of the S2 literature indicates keel stepped on the 27. Well, almost...the line drawing on the Model "B" brochure posted in the Photo section indicates keel stepped, but the photo on the last page of the brochure clearly shows a compression post. Regardless, the bilge configuration on my boat is clearly different than yours. I'll snap some pics, too, when the weather breaks (we got about a foot of snow last night, so it could be a while).

Cheers!

Dave S.
1987 S2 27
Hull #80


Re: Handrail refinish technique

 

Dave

I attended grad school '86-88 @ IU. (yes the year they one the national championship!)

You brought back some memories of Lake Lemon. I joined the sailing club there too. At the time they had a bunch of Sunfishs, and a few Y-flyers. The Sunfish's were a lot of fun - took them out in some decent breezes, I remember the hulls would vibrate like mad when you started planing.

A buddy of mine would take the y-flyer out once in a while.

good times at IU - especially Nick's - $2.75 pitchers - and the english pub who's name escapes me - they hard the yard and 1/2 yard glasses.

--- In s227classassociation@..., "uswa174" <uswa174@...> wrote:

--- In s227classassociation@..., "s227classassociation" <rperret@> wrote:

Went to school at IU Bloomington, a friend was from South Bend so went up there a few times.
Small world! When were you at IU? I spent many a weekend out at the IU Sailing Club on Lake Lemon sailing those beat up FJs...I was in school there from '76-'80. I remember one MCSA regatta party in particular...well, sort of...


Re: Handrail refinish technique

 

--- In s227classassociation@..., "s227classassociation" <rperret@...> wrote:

Went to school at IU Bloomington, a friend was from South Bend so went up there a few times.
Small world! When were you at IU? I spent many a weekend out at the IU Sailing Club on Lake Lemon sailing those beat up FJs...I was in school there from '76-'80. I remember one MCSA regatta party in particular...well, sort of...


Re: Bilge and Keel Bolts

 

--- In s227classassociation@..., "s227classassociation" <rperret@...> wrote:

i'll take a pix of my backing plate - 3/16" stainless plate about 2 x 2" with rounded corners and tapered edges to prevent any hard spots.
Thanks. I would really like to see those backing plates.

it seems that mild steel washers are common on lots of boats - not sure why.
It certainly does seem odd...the surveyor of my boat wrote that the rusty mild steel (ferric) washers needed to be replaced with SS, and he suggested torquing the nuts to 65 ft. lbs. Don't know where he got that number, but he's been surveying sailboats for many years in Milwaukee/Chicago, and he has a good reputation (Ph.D. in mechanical engineering).

i think the reason your bilge is different is that yours is a deck stepped mast vs keel stepped (i think). but it would be very interesting to see what your bilge looks like - and how the hull is reinforced (assume there are some stringers athwart) unless the redesigned the pan liner and stuff completely - interesting how the design changes happen - but I do recall you mentioning having a deck stepped mast.
You're right about the deck stepped mast on my boat, with a compression post in the cabin. Oddly enough, all of the S2 literature indicates keel stepped on the 27. Well, almost...the line drawing on the Model "B" brochure posted in the Photo section indicates keel stepped, but the photo on the last page of the brochure clearly shows a compression post. Regardless, the bilge configuration on my boat is clearly different than yours. I'll snap some pics, too, when the weather breaks (we got about a foot of snow last night, so it could be a while).

Cheers!

Dave S.
1987 S2 27
Hull #80


Keel Bolt Torque - some generic site specifying torque specs...

 

FYI -

now back to work!



Rick