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Handrail refinish technique

 

So the rails are finally sanded down and ready to refinish. I purchased a quart of west marine 5 star varnish which is the epicanes high gloss but labeled WM.

First I plan to varnish the inside portion (back) of the rail first. This is to get a feel for using the epifanes product and any mistakes won't be seen...also when I have to do the outer side I won't risk ruining the finish f I then needed to do the back.

I am also in the process of filling the standoff tubes with thickened epoxy. I did one tube and it went well. Once the rails are done, I reach a decision point...do I take the stand off tubes and bed them onto the rails first? If I do it this way the only beddeing I need to do in the spring are the ends of the standoff tubes that lie against the cabin top. Alternatively perhaps I could bed the tubes to the cabin top first? Then fit the rail after the fact??

Interested in your opinions?

Thx

Rick

...91days to launch.....


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Re: Misc Items (clarification....)

 

Dave

Here is the link to the manual - its 66MB in size - too big to email.?? i think this link still works - if not let me know and i will double check.? i had found it by randomly doing a google search and found it.? its quite helpful!



Rick



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Hey Rick,

I'd like to get a copy. Thanks for the offer!

Dave S.
uswa174 at excite dot com

1987 S2 27
Hull #80

--- In s227classassociatio n@yahoogroups. com, Rick <rperret@... > wrote:
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> The manual I was referring to in my previous post was a yanmar 1gm10 manual.
>


Re: Misc Items (clarification....)

 

Hey Rick,

I'd like to get a copy. Thanks for the offer!

Dave S.
uswa174 at excite dot com

1987 S2 27
Hull #80

--- In s227classassociation@..., Rick <rperret@...> wrote:

The manual I was referring to in my previous post was a yanmar 1gm10 manual.


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Misc Items (clarification....)

 

The manual I was referring to in my previous post was a yanmar 1gm10 manual.


Misc Items

 

all - i have an older softcopy of the manual in case anyone is interested. let me know and I will email to you.

Also, finally sanded down my weatherboards and handrails. when the weather gets a little warmer - probably March - i am going to clean them with spic-n-span/water (Practical Sailor recommends that vs. teak cleaners).

This year I may try teak oil vs Cetol - i didn't like the look of Cetol - too orange. A friend uses Bristol Finish - might try that - anyone here used that in the past?

Also, ordered a new titanium screw and smooth clevis pin (the pin is part of the furling system to attach the link plates to the lower part of furling unit) for my Profurl furler. Amazing - $17 for a screw. The pin was $32 - my current pin had some corrosion and under magnification was pitting. But $32 is cheaper than a downed rig...ordered the parts from pyacht.com - they are an authorized distributor of Profurl parts based in Severn, MD.

Now working on my 2010 "to-do" list....

Rick


Re: Battery charger

 

Hi Rick,

Here's a sketch of the charger location. I'll send the manual for my "15-3" to you directly. Leads to the batteries are spec'd as #12 wire up to 15'. #10 wire 15 to 25'.

Hope it's close enough to help.

Bob


Re: Battery charger

 

Bob

I have a Ray Jeff model 155 - black metal case with a amp meter on front that will charge up to 3 banks. Trying to visualize where your is mounted as the PO just gave me the unit -- is it mounted in the hanging locker area where the holding tank is located?

Also I can't find any instructions on web to use this - what wire gauge do you use for the wire leading to battery? Howong to charge?

Thx.

Rick


Re: Full Batten Main

 

Tubular battens have been used for the past fifteen years or so on many monofilm windsurfing sails. They can be pretty stiff, but they can also be engineered with a gradient of stiffness along their length. In essence, they allow the windsurfing sail to be a soft wing. The battens fit into camber inducers on the luff that pivot on the mast, which means the sails have to be "popped" from side-to side when the sails are jibed or tacked. They help to keep the draft in a fixed location in puffs, which in turn allows the top of the leach to twist off to de-power the sail, instead of the draft moving aft.

The PO of my boat bought the current sails from the Elvstrom Sobstad loft in Sandusky, Ohio in 2006. IMO, the construction quality is outstanding. My main has two full length (non-tubular) battens on the top; the two lowers battens regular short battens. The mainsail is a bit too "roachy", though, and the leech often hangs up on the backstay in light air.

Dave S.
1987 S2 27 "Clio"
Hull #80

--- In s227classassociation@..., "Mark" <Mark@...> wrote:

I received my quote for a new main today and I was quoted full "tubular"
battens. I have no experience with the tubular battens and thought I would
ask if anybody here has them? I have had a FB main for years and always
thought my main was too flat most of the time.

Mark
Nashville
S2-27 #15 "Witchcraft"


Full Batten Main

 

None of that high tech experience here! My old main has 4 traditional pockets and fiberglass battens 22.5 to 29" long.
And it's hardly ever very flat!

Bob


Full Batten Main

 

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I received my quote for a new main today and I was quoted full "tubular" battens.? I have no experience with the tubular battens and thought I would ask if anybody here has them?? I have had a FB main for years and always thought my main was too flat most of the time.?
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Mark
Nashville
S2-27 #15 "Witchcraft"


Battery charger

 

Dave S.

The S2 owner's book lists a battery charger as "optional", and says it is "activated from the 100v switch panel". Mine is an after market installation for sure. My battery charger is a Ray Jefferson model "15-3"? Regulated D.C. Battery Guard, for mounting on a vertical surface. It's hung on the back of the bulkhead behind the head, starboard side, and has a simple three prong cord to plug into the duplex outlet in the head. I'm on a mooring so it hardly ever gets used.

Bob




Re: winter cover/re-tuning

 

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Ah, good point. The halyard block is off center to starboard. I did not account for that, but I think it's still pretty close. I'll try attaching a photo. I have to climb it again this spring... the windex offset is bent again and I dropped the spinnaker halyard this fall. So, maybe, I'll measure. I need to replace the windex mount. This is the second time a fat bird has bent it.

As for the chainplates, I mis-spoke/typed. I did core repairs around the chainplates last spring. The rot was 3-4" forward and 12-16" aft on both sides, as well as in the cabintop around the winches & rope clutches.

Bob

s227classassociation wrote:

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tape measure makes more sense for sure. i do notice halyard stretch, when measuring do you account for the fact that the halyard is off center from the mast centerline?

also, you mentioned a chainplate repair. anything we need to double check for? did you have any visible chainplate leaks into the cabin? I don't see any leaks, but do need to remove the covers to check the plate condition between the deck. I remember changing chainplates on my 1973 Tanzer 22- i went to a local machine shop - owned by a local sailor - he fabricate plates for $75.

Rick

--- In s227classassociation@yahoogroups.com, Bob Taylor .> wrote:
>
> 40 bucks to unstep & re-step? that's a great club benefit!
>
> Here's something I found tuning my rigging last spring after a chain
> plate repair. I tried the halyard to toe rail measuring scheme, but it
> just felt too stretchy and inaccurate, so I clipped the end of a 100'
> steel tape measure to the halyard and hoisted it up to the top. This
> felt So Much more accurate to center the masthead. A 50' tape would work
> on this boat, of course.
>
> Bob
>


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Re: refinishing handrails

 

Bob - no problem getting access to the nuts, was easy except for the 1 bolt I "screwed up."

--- In s227classassociation@..., Bob Taylor <woodwork@...> wrote:

Hi Rick,

I'll be looking at that job soon too. Thanks for the preview. Epoxy
filling the stand-off tubes is a good idea. I might try one of the putty
style epoxies like a PC7 before trying to pour West System resin in
there. It might get pretty warm and make bubbles curing in that much
volume. Although mixing in the light fairing compound should help. Notch
some wood blocks and clamp them to drill out the center.

Did you have to take down the teak handrails inside the cabin? It a
little tight to get at the fasteners under them, but haven't tried yet.

Thanks,

Bob


Re: refinishing handrails

 

dave

thanks for the input. i'll need to double check but I think the S2 27 tubes are all the same. so far I've spent 0 hours on boat work as I've been in the midst of a cabinet "hack project" or how to turn a 6 drawer filing cabinet to a 4 drawer cabinet that is 15" shorter....

i'm on the fence between using west v. wood at this stage.

Rick

--- In s227classassociation@..., "uswa174" <uswa174@...> wrote:

Here are some edited versions of messages I posted on the S2 Yahoo site a few years ago. Although I had an S2 7.3 back then, I hope that my experience will be of value.

On my (old) S2 7.3, I also had to deal with the rotted wood dowels that were inside the stainless steel stand-off tubes. Years of neglect by the PO led to water infiltration, which rotted the wood dowels inside the tubes (nearly all of them!) I found a dowel rod (broom handle, actually) that was the exact O.D. as the stand-off tube's I.D, cut them to length (note, one end was NOT flush cut, rather angled slightly), drilled them, sealed them with WEST, including the inside of the newly-drilled bolt hole, then re-bedded properly during the re-installation. The installation was a two person job, with one of us outside and one inside. Keep in mind that the handrails are "bent" into place...start at one end, and press the rail down as you work toward the other end. Another note: keep track of which stand-off tube goes where. Mine were not all identical lengths/angles. The angled end of the stainless steel stand-off tubes fits on the deck to compensate for the slope of the deck, with the acute angle oriented "out and down" when looked at from the side. I used 4200 as sealant, since it remains flexible and is way easier to remove than 5200. Allow the 4200 to cure for 24 hours prior to snugging down the rails tightly. Don't allow the bolt to turn when you do this, or you'll break the 4200 seal--only turn the nut on the inside!

And yes, the bolts on my 7.3 came in different lengths, too, so I kept track of which one went where.

After removing the handrails and before installation, I sanded the handrails, then treated them with Starbright Teak Brightener, allowed them to dry, then re-sanded. Used four coats of Cetol Light on the handrails, followed-up with two coats of Cetol Gloss. During the three weeks that the handrails were off the boat, I used a small piece of duct tape over each hole in the deck to keep the rain out. I also checked the deck core around each hole for rot, reamed out the rot where necessary, filled those with thickened epoxy, and re-drilled.

OK. Now the PO of my 27 did the same job on my boat, but he filled the standoff tubes with thickened epoxy, then drilled out the bolt holes on a drill press. IMHO, this is a better fix for the long term, although my WEST "dowel job" will serve the new owner of my old 7.3 for years to come.

Sorry that this post was a bit windy, but I hope these comments are of some value.

Dave S.
1987 S2 27
Hull #80


--- In s227classassociation@..., Bob Taylor <woodwork@> wrote:

Hi Rick,

I'll be looking at that job soon too. Thanks for the preview. Epoxy
filling the stand-off tubes is a good idea. I might try one of the putty
style epoxies like a PC7 before trying to pour West System resin in
there. It might get pretty warm and make bubbles curing in that much
volume. Although mixing in the light fairing compound should help. Notch
some wood blocks and clamp them to drill out the center.

Did you have to take down the teak handrails inside the cabin? It a
little tight to get at the fasteners under them, but haven't tried yet.

Thanks,

Bob


Re: winter cover/re-tuning

 

tape measure makes more sense for sure. i do notice halyard stretch, when measuring do you account for the fact that the halyard is off center from the mast centerline?

also, you mentioned a chainplate repair. anything we need to double check for? did you have any visible chainplate leaks into the cabin? I don't see any leaks, but do need to remove the covers to check the plate condition between the deck. I remember changing chainplates on my 1973 Tanzer 22- i went to a local machine shop - owned by a local sailor - he fabricate plates for $75.

Rick

--- In s227classassociation@..., Bob Taylor <woodwork@...> wrote:

40 bucks to unstep & re-step? that's a great club benefit!

Here's something I found tuning my rigging last spring after a chain
plate repair. I tried the halyard to toe rail measuring scheme, but it
just felt too stretchy and inaccurate, so I clipped the end of a 100'
steel tape measure to the halyard and hoisted it up to the top. This
felt So Much more accurate to center the masthead. A 50' tape would work
on this boat, of course.

Bob


winter cover/re-tuning

 

40 bucks to unstep & re-step? that's a great club benefit!

Here's something I found tuning my rigging last spring after a chain plate repair. I tried the halyard to toe rail measuring scheme, but it just felt too stretchy and inaccurate, so I clipped the end of a 100' steel tape measure to the halyard and hoisted it up to the top. This felt So Much more accurate to center the masthead. A 50' tape would work on this boat, of course.

Bob


Re: winter cover frame

 

Bob

not sure if I replied here..

I unstep every year. The club I belong to has a hoist and storage building for the mast. Total cost is 40 bucks per year! My view is that the rig/hull is less strained on the hard when the mast is down. Also I don't get a bilge full of ice -/ lots of water gets into mast from rain.

Retune is a but of a pain. Usually I mark the thread position on the turnbuckle using electrical tape- this gets me to 90% tuning come springtime. Unfortunately I forgot to do it this year... So need to retune rig from scratch...;(

--- In s227classassociation@..., Bob Taylor <woodwork@...> wrote:

Nice system. Looks like the plastic hinge folds over the lifeline and
the vertical slat carries the weight. Do you unstep the mast every
winter? Retune the rig with a gauge or eyeball?

Bob