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--- In s227classassociation@..., Mark Swart wrote:

No, I wish. The shoal versions seem to be very few and far between.
Unfortunately, the true resolution will have to wait until next year when we move again. My hauler failed to provide his weight tickets to me. Grr.

First off, a quick hello to the S2-27 group; I have been waiting many years to find you all and glad to see it kicked off in 2009. I have owned and lived on #35 since Spring '99, and have replaced or rebuilt many of the components. Sadly she has been floating here in Corpus Christi (being whipped by the wind - and mostly neglected) the past 8 years while I was stationed in MD at PAXR (for what was going to be a 3 year tour...). Am now retired and just now starting the process of cleaning/repairing/replacing what she needs to be fit again for sailing. Have read the previous 487 messages and am glad to see there are issues I experienced that have been shared by others :)

Mark,
I had similar suprise in 2002 trailering our keel-stepped 86'(#35) from Canyon Lake, TX to Corpus Christi, TX (ironically our second choice for the move was Elephant Butte, as I was being reassigned to Kirtland AFB in ABQ). I remember the shock as the total weight with trailer was over 8k. Will send details when I check the paperwork which is on the boat. That was a very good call removing the rudder. Our "movers" scraped the bottom on the road leaving the yard as the trailer swapped ends. We were up all night with epoxy repairing so we could apply fresh bottom paint again prior to the splash the next day - and we had just had the entire hull repainted that week prior.

As an aside - once she is cleaned and back in service I suspect she will be up for sale. Anyone interested, or know of someone that might be, please contact me.

Gene
#35

I have an ST4000 on Clio. Based on my experience, you'll be asking, "Why didn't I do this sooner?" An AutoHelm is a fantastic addition to any boat, ranking right behind a roller furler, IMHO. Just don't fall off the boat when you are singlehanding and the AutoHelm is working...that would be a really bad deal...suffice it to say, I am careful not to let that happen. :)
___________________
Dave S.
s/v Clio
1987 S2 27, hull #80



--- In s227classassociation@..., "s227classassociation" wrote:

Did i mention i picked up an AutoHelm 800 recently? $80.00 from an older gent at the club. have an existing cantilever mount, tiller bracket and power outlet, but not the cantilever bracket and pushrod extension.

i look forward to using it next year...tired of the fire drill when singlehanded and trying to wrestle the main as the boat pirouettes all over the place...

I've never heard this but I guess it makes sense. When I singlehand frostbite, I'm usually wearing polypro just because it retains heat better. Gore tex on top of that if necessary. Also, an afternoon of frostbiting is easy enough to manage risk even if you are wearing cotton... if you get cold just go back to the dock, right?


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From: s227classassociation <rperret@...>
To: s227classassociation@...
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 11:36 AM
Subject: [s227classassociation] Re: Fatal Sailing Accident - with question

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As an Assistant Scout Master and camper -i was always taught Cotton Kills....especially when in cold weather or water. eg, when wool gets wet it at least retains heat.

When my son and his scout troop go cold weather camping we always wear poly wicking layers next to skin and layer on top other clothes - never have any chill problems.

i had read the thread about the Farallones race but don't recall any mention of cotton.

--- In mailto:s227classassociation%40yahoogroups.com, "dickvanhooser" <dick@> wrote:

Back in April, I wan not involved in sailing so maybe you guys have seen this but I have a question about it so here is a link to it . Read the letter from Bryan Chong - it's an eye-opener.

My question is this: Why is it important to avoid cotton clothing?

Everything else he said fit in with what I had learned in the past but this was a surprise to me.

I should clarify about not being involved in sailing. During the 70s and 80s I was an avid sailor, owned several boats, sailed Lake Travis, the gulf, and bays. Then a series of injuries and circumstances took me away from sailing. A couple years ago I got a new knee and lost 60 lbs and now we have just bought two boats; an S2 27 and a Rhodes 19. Just so you can tell I'm not a total beginner.

Dick

Back in April, I wan not involved in sailing so maybe you guys have seen this but I have a question about it so here is a link to it . Read the letter from Bryan Chong - it's an eye-opener.

My question is this: Why is it important to avoid cotton clothing?

Everything else he said fit in with what I had learned in the past but this was a surprise to me.

I should clarify about not being involved in sailing. During the 70s and 80s I was an avid sailor, owned several boats, sailed Lake Travis, the gulf, and bays. Then a series of injuries and circumstances took me away from sailing. A couple years ago I got a new knee and lost 60 lbs and now we have just bought two boats; an S2 27 and a Rhodes 19. Just so you can tell I'm not a total beginner.

Dick

My '87 model "B" is deck stepped. Check the photo gallery for the '87 brochure:



No tabernacle; only a deck shoe. I can tell you that the mast is bloody heavy, though. An appropriately sized A-frame could allow you to step the mast if you did have a tabernacle like the one S2 put on the 7.3 model.

Hope this helps.

_______________________
Dave S.
s/v Clio
1987 S2 27, hull #80

--- In s227classassociation@..., "dickvanhooser" <dick@> wrote:

Thanks for the input. That's food for thought. I know of a naval architect/sailor I can e-mail. He's probably willing to advise me or direct me to someone who can.

Dick

--- In s227classassociation@..., "s227classassociation" <rperret@> wrote:

Welcome to the board!

The J/22 has a deck stepped mast with aft swept spreaders. Add I think the J/95 does too.

Having straight spreaders doesn't necessarily mean you can have the cap shrouds attached while you step the mast (if that was your reasoning) depends upon the location of the chain plates relative to where the mast tabernacle is located. i know as my prior boat Tanzer 22 had this issue and many owners had bent chain plates....

i would probably consult a naval architect regarding this - the S2 27 was not designed to have the deck stress in places when you have a deck vs keel stepped - and i have to believe its not as simple as putting a reinforcing beam in place - as that causes new loads to be imparted in different areas of the hull.








--- In s227classassociation@..., "dickvanhooser" <dick@> wrote:

After thinking about it some while sitting on the boat (with the mast down, the boat is in my back yard) I have begun to doubt that you can have a deck-stepped mast with swept-back spreaders.

I hope someone with a deck-stepped mast will join in and let me know how their spreaders are configured.

I have the shoal draft version. I'm pretty impressed with how well it sails to weather.

Dick

--- In s227classassociation@..., Mark Swart <mark_swart@> wrote:

Welcome!
Mine is keel stepped and after spending an hour plus trying to wrestle the mast in when I stepped it in August, I wish it was deck stepped! If you can find the right parts it shouldn't be that hard to do, but man it would feel pretty sick if you cut that mast in the wrong place!
I had an Oday 26 with a tabernacle and it worked fine, the mast was a bit shorter than the S2 but probably only a foot or two.
??
Trailering is...interesting... with the 4'9 draft though.
??
-Mark


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From: dickvanhooser <dick@>
To: s227classassociation@...
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 6:11 AM
Subject: [s227classassociation] Keel-stepped to Deck-stepped

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I just bought an '86 S2 27 and the only reservation I had about it is that the mast is keel-stepped. I didn't even know they had made a deck-stepped version till I read this forum. I'm wondering if it's reasonable to convert to deck-stepped. Does the deck-stepped version have a tabernacle?

The reason I'm interested is that I would like to be able to trailer my boat up from the coast when a hurricane is approaching, and I'd like to be able to do this without relying on a boatyard to unstep the mast for me.

Dick

Thanks for the input. That's food for thought. I know of a naval architect/sailor I can e-mail. He's probably willing to advise me or direct me to someone who can.

Dick

--- In s227classassociation@..., "s227classassociation" <rperret@> wrote:

Welcome to the board!

The J/22 has a deck stepped mast with aft swept spreaders. Add I think the J/95 does too.

Having straight spreaders doesn't necessarily mean you can have the cap shrouds attached while you step the mast (if that was your reasoning) depends upon the location of the chain plates relative to where the mast tabernacle is located. i know as my prior boat Tanzer 22 had this issue and many owners had bent chain plates....

i would probably consult a naval architect regarding this - the S2 27 was not designed to have the deck stress in places when you have a deck vs keel stepped - and i have to believe its not as simple as putting a reinforcing beam in place - as that causes new loads to be imparted in different areas of the hull.








--- In s227classassociation@..., "dickvanhooser" <dick@> wrote:

After thinking about it some while sitting on the boat (with the mast down, the boat is in my back yard) I have begun to doubt that you can have a deck-stepped mast with swept-back spreaders.

I hope someone with a deck-stepped mast will join in and let me know how their spreaders are configured.

I have the shoal draft version. I'm pretty impressed with how well it sails to weather.

Dick

--- In s227classassociation@..., Mark Swart <mark_swart@> wrote:

Welcome!
Mine is keel stepped and after spending an hour plus trying to wrestle the mast in when I stepped it in August, I wish it was deck stepped! If you can find the right parts it shouldn't be that hard to do, but man it would feel pretty sick if you cut that mast in the wrong place!
I had an Oday 26 with a tabernacle and it worked fine, the mast was a bit shorter than the S2 but probably only a foot or two.
??
Trailering is...interesting... with the 4'9 draft though.
??
-Mark


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From: dickvanhooser <dick@>
To: s227classassociation@...
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 6:11 AM
Subject: [s227classassociation] Keel-stepped to Deck-stepped

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I just bought an '86 S2 27 and the only reservation I had about it is that the mast is keel-stepped. I didn't even know they had made a deck-stepped version till I read this forum. I'm wondering if it's reasonable to convert to deck-stepped. Does the deck-stepped version have a tabernacle?

The reason I'm interested is that I would like to be able to trailer my boat up from the coast when a hurricane is approaching, and I'd like to be able to do this without relying on a boatyard to unstep the mast for me.

Dick

Did i mention i picked up an AutoHelm 800 recently? $80.00 from an older gent at the club. have an existing cantilever mount, tiller bracket and power outlet, but not the cantilever bracket and pushrod extension.

i look forward to using it next year...tired of the fire drill when singlehanded and trying to wrestle the main as the boat pirouettes all over the place...

added a DB for entering basic boat info

Welcome to the board!

The J/22 has a deck stepped mast with aft swept spreaders. Add I think the J/95 does too.

Having straight spreaders doesn't necessarily mean you can have the cap shrouds attached while you step the mast (if that was your reasoning) depends upon the location of the chain plates relative to where the mast tabernacle is located. i know as my prior boat Tanzer 22 had this issue and many owners had bent chain plates....

i would probably consult a naval architect regarding this - the S2 27 was not designed to have the deck stress in places when you have a deck vs keel stepped - and i have to believe its not as simple as putting a reinforcing beam in place - as that causes new loads to be imparted in different areas of the hull.








--- In s227classassociation@..., "dickvanhooser" <dick@> wrote:

After thinking about it some while sitting on the boat (with the mast down, the boat is in my back yard) I have begun to doubt that you can have a deck-stepped mast with swept-back spreaders.

I hope someone with a deck-stepped mast will join in and let me know how their spreaders are configured.

I have the shoal draft version. I'm pretty impressed with how well it sails to weather.

Dick

--- In s227classassociation@..., Mark Swart <mark_swart@> wrote:

Welcome!
Mine is keel stepped and after spending an hour plus trying to wrestle the mast in when I stepped it in August, I wish it was deck stepped! If you can find the right parts it shouldn't be that hard to do, but man it would feel pretty sick if you cut that mast in the wrong place!
I had an Oday 26 with a tabernacle and it worked fine, the mast was a bit shorter than the S2 but probably only a foot or two.
??
Trailering is...interesting... with the 4'9 draft though.
??
-Mark


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From: dickvanhooser <dick@>
To: s227classassociation@...
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 6:11 AM
Subject: [s227classassociation] Keel-stepped to Deck-stepped

??

I just bought an '86 S2 27 and the only reservation I had about it is that the mast is keel-stepped. I didn't even know they had made a deck-stepped version till I read this forum. I'm wondering if it's reasonable to convert to deck-stepped. Does the deck-stepped version have a tabernacle?

The reason I'm interested is that I would like to be able to trailer my boat up from the coast when a hurricane is approaching, and I'd like to be able to do this without relying on a boatyard to unstep the mast for me.

Dick

After thinking about it some while sitting on the boat (with the mast down, the boat is in my back yard) I have begun to doubt that you can have a deck-stepped mast with swept-back spreaders.

I hope someone with a deck-stepped mast will join in and let me know how their spreaders are configured.

I have the shoal draft version. I'm pretty impressed with how well it sails to weather.

Dick

--- In s227classassociation@..., Mark Swart <mark_swart@> wrote:

Welcome!
Mine is keel stepped and after spending an hour plus trying to wrestle the mast in when I stepped it in August, I wish it was deck stepped! If you can find the right parts it shouldn't be that hard to do, but man it would feel pretty sick if you cut that mast in the wrong place!
I had an Oday 26 with a tabernacle and it worked fine, the mast was a bit shorter than the S2 but probably only a foot or two.
??
Trailering is...interesting... with the 4'9 draft though.
??
-Mark


________________________________
From: dickvanhooser <dick@>
To: s227classassociation@...
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 6:11 AM
Subject: [s227classassociation] Keel-stepped to Deck-stepped

??

I just bought an '86 S2 27 and the only reservation I had about it is that the mast is keel-stepped. I didn't even know they had made a deck-stepped version till I read this forum. I'm wondering if it's reasonable to convert to deck-stepped. Does the deck-stepped version have a tabernacle?

The reason I'm interested is that I would like to be able to trailer my boat up from the coast when a hurricane is approaching, and I'd like to be able to do this without relying on a boatyard to unstep the mast for me.

Dick

Welcome!
Mine is keel stepped and after spending an hour plus trying to wrestle the mast in when I stepped it in August, I wish it was deck stepped! If you can find the right parts it shouldn't be that hard to do, but man it would feel pretty sick if you cut that mast in the wrong place!
I had an Oday 26 with a tabernacle and it worked fine, the mast was a bit shorter than the S2 but probably only a foot or two.
??
Trailering is...interesting... with the 4'9 draft though.
??
-Mark


________________________________
From: dickvanhooser <dick@...>
To: s227classassociation@...
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 6:11 AM
Subject: [s227classassociation] Keel-stepped to Deck-stepped

??

I just bought an '86 S2 27 and the only reservation I had about it is that the mast is keel-stepped. I didn't even know they had made a deck-stepped version till I read this forum. I'm wondering if it's reasonable to convert to deck-stepped. Does the deck-stepped version have a tabernacle?

The reason I'm interested is that I would like to be able to trailer my boat up from the coast when a hurricane is approaching, and I'd like to be able to do this without relying on a boatyard to unstep the mast for me.

Dick