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Keel-stepped to Deck-stepped

dickvanhooser
 

I just bought an '86 S2 27 and the only reservation I had about it is that the mast is keel-stepped. I didn't even know they had made a deck-stepped version till I read this forum. I'm wondering if it's reasonable to convert to deck-stepped. Does the deck-stepped version have a tabernacle?

The reason I'm interested is that I would like to be able to trailer my boat up from the coast when a hurricane is approaching, and I'd like to be able to do this without relying on a boatyard to unstep the mast for me.

Dick


Re: Spinnaker Halyard

dickvanhooser
 

Mark,

I just bought an S2 27 and I'm dismayed that there is no bail for the spinnaker. Did you ever find a suitable solution?

Dick

--- In s227classassociation@..., "Mark Endicott" <Mark@...> wrote:

I am interested in what you have done to attach a block to the top of the mast for a Spinnaker halyard. I have used the port Genoa halyard but it makes it difficult to do a take down if on the wrong tack. I fabricated a piece of SS angle to attach to the top of the mast but didn't install is because the top plate looked a little light weight for such a load.


Mark


Re: Considering an S-2 27

 

Well, maybe... I was actually trying to find the guy who posted the original 'considering' thread. He said he was here in the Chesapeake. I tried emailing his user email and it seems he's no longer active.
We still love the boat! I'm faced with an opportunity to move up to a cruiser. That's something we've always held as a goal and now could be the time to leap.

Bob


Re: Considering an S-2 27

 

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everyone is selling their boats???

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On Nov 13, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Jim Johnstone <maajique@...> wrote:

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Yes. my boat is for sale. Currently in the water in Lake Travis near Austin TX and will be racing this weekend.? I have a trailer for?it (available at extra cost?and expense of trucking is going to be minimal.
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Engine is the 1 GM 10
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Boat is posted on Sailing Texas Website: ?
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Jim
From: taylorsmill <woodwork@...>
To: s227classassociation@...
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 10:00 AM
Subject: [s227classassociation] Re: Considering an S-2 27
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I am considering selling. A bigger boat beckons...
Are you still out there and interested?

--- In mailto:s227classassociation%40yahoogroups.com, "jr_cann" wrote:
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> I am considering the purchase of a new (to me) boat as a retirement "toy". I have previously owned a 9.2A and a 7.9 Grand Slam. I have lived-aboard a number of other sailboats for over 25 years and cruised extensively. I have a short list of several high quality boats to consider.
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> I would seriously consider a reasonably priced 27. I would prefer that it be the original "A" interior (pre-'86) and also with a 2GM engine, but neither would be a "kill the deal" issue. I am located in the Chesapeake and have no problem with an on-the-water delivery from anywhere on the east Coast. The expense of trucking would have to be taken into account for boats located elsewhere.
>
> If you have one or know of someone that may be willing to sell. please contact me.
>


Re: Considering an S-2 27

Jim Johnstone
 

Yes. my boat is for sale. Currently in the water in Lake Travis near Austin TX and will be racing this weekend.? I have a trailer for?it (available at extra cost?and expense of trucking is going to be minimal.
?
Engine is the 1 GM 10
?
Boat is posted on Sailing Texas Website: ?
?
?
Jim

From: taylorsmill
To: s227classassociation@...
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2012 10:00 AM
Subject: [s227classassociation] Re: Considering an S-2 27
?
I am considering selling. A bigger boat beckons...
Are you still out there and interested?

--- In mailto:s227classassociation%40yahoogroups.com, "jr_cann" wrote:
>
> I am considering the purchase of a new (to me) boat as a retirement "toy". I have previously owned a 9.2A and a 7.9 Grand Slam. I have lived-aboard a number of other sailboats for over 25 years and cruised extensively. I have a short list of several high quality boats to consider.
>
> I would seriously consider a reasonably priced 27. I would prefer that it be the original "A" interior (pre-'86) and also with a 2GM engine, but neither would be a "kill the deal" issue. I am located in the Chesapeake and have no problem with an on-the-water delivery from anywhere on the east Coast. The expense of trucking would have to be taken into account for boats located elsewhere.
>
> If you have one or know of someone that may be willing to sell. please contact me.
>


Re: Considering an S-2 27

 

I am considering selling. A bigger boat beckons...
Are you still out there and interested?

--- In s227classassociation@..., "jr_cann" <jr_cann@...> wrote:

I am considering the purchase of a new (to me) boat as a retirement "toy". I have previously owned a 9.2A and a 7.9 Grand Slam. I have lived-aboard a number of other sailboats for over 25 years and cruised extensively. I have a short list of several high quality boats to consider.

I would seriously consider a reasonably priced 27. I would prefer that it be the original "A" interior (pre-'86) and also with a 2GM engine, but neither would be a "kill the deal" issue. I am located in the Chesapeake and have no problem with an on-the-water delivery from anywhere on the east Coast. The expense of trucking would have to be taken into account for boats located elsewhere.

If you have one or know of someone that may be willing to sell. please contact me.


Re: Length and curvature of the original tiller for the S2 27?

 

My tiller is 39" and straight as well. It is not homemade, but there's no telling if it's OEM.


Re: Length and curvature of the original tiller for the S2 27?

Mark Swart
 

That sounds pretty close to what is on mine and what I've seen on a friend's. I use a tiller extension so that I can move forward also.?



From: uswa174
To: s227classassociation@...
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:04 AM
Subject: [s227classassociation] Length and curvature of the original tiller for the S2 27?

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I have a replacement tiller on my boat that the PO built. It is 39" long, and it is dead straight.

Does anyone know the length of the OEM tiller that S2 installed, and if there is any curvature? Although I have a tiller extension, it is still too short for my taste, since I like to steer from a position just aft of the coach house bulkhead. That position moves my weight forward, and balances the boat better.

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Dave S.
s/v Clio
1987 S2 27, hull #80




Length and curvature of the original tiller for the S2 27?

 

I have a replacement tiller on my boat that the PO built. It is 39" long, and it is dead straight.

Does anyone know the length of the OEM tiller that S2 installed, and if there is any curvature? Although I have a tiller extension, it is still too short for my taste, since I like to steer from a position just aft of the coach house bulkhead. That position moves my weight forward, and balances the boat better.

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Dave S.
s/v Clio
1987 S2 27, hull #80


Re: Sad Day -- Haul Out

 

-----Original Message-----

>>>Where do you live that you have to pull?
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South end of Lake Michigan...contrary to popular belief, it's not the mill pond Ted Turner once called it when he was getting ready to sail the Chicago to Mackinac race. ?
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The lake in the winter can be spectacularly beautiful, when it is packed with shelf ice. ?The pressure ridges can push up to 30 feet or so, so it has the?appearance?of a glacier. ?Every winter, people die walking on the shelf ice, because it is laced with crevasses, which they fall through.
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Dave S.
s/v Clio
1987 S2 27, hull #80

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Re: Sad Day -- Haul Out

 

The end is coming for most of us on the Chesapeake soon as well.
I try to hold out until mid November. There are usually some nice Indian Summer days with no one else out there.
The yard shuts down on December 1 anyway, so we have to take a little break.

Bob


Re: Sad Day -- Haul Out

Mark Swart
 

I've been lucky to live in places where I don't have to do a winter haulout. But for what it's worth, I move ever couple years, so I not only have to pull, I have to pack, prep for shipping, find a hauler and a new marina. So I feel your pain, just not every year!
Where do you live that you have to pull?



From: uswa174
To: s227classassociation@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:51 PM
Subject: [s227classassociation] Sad Day -- Haul Out

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Yep, it was inevitable...mid-October means haul-out here in the Midwest. Fortunately, it all went well today. Tomorrow (or Thursday, perhaps) I strip the boat and close her up. Why is it, though, that haul-out in the fall and launch in the spring cause so much stress?

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Dave S.
s/v Clio
1987 S2 27, hull #80




Sad Day -- Haul Out

 

Yep, it was inevitable...mid-October means haul-out here in the Midwest. Fortunately, it all went well today. Tomorrow (or Thursday, perhaps) I strip the boat and close her up. Why is it, though, that haul-out in the fall and launch in the spring cause so much stress?

___________________
Dave S.
s/v Clio
1987 S2 27, hull #80


Re: Holding tank vent blocked?

 

That sure sounds like a plugged vent to me.
Wasps will pack the hole full of mud sometimes.


Holding tank vent blocked?

 

one of my first steps before hauling out is to empty anf flush the head. over the past few weeks i habe been noticing more smell on board but didn't think much about it...

boat has been sitting in water past two weeks, and i had used the head....when i came on board this weekend the bowl was nearly full..as if it had backfilled from the tank..

i pumped it back in the tank and pumped in some freshwater and deoderizer..the tanknwas about 1/3rd filled.

thinking all is fine, i proceeded to open the holding tank fill cap..which was a bit hard to open for some reason...i finally got it to open...and it slowly started releasing liquid...it stopped and i upon opening the cap saw that it was filled to the top...this is very odd....at any rate i proceeded to pump it out and rhem clsed the cap amd did a fresh water fill and flush...ie, fill the bowl, pump it in the tank..did it a few times..filled it to about 1/3rd or so.

upon opening the cap...same thing...sall stream of water...when i waited a sc i opened some more....STUPID idea...as some water came flying out....the side....mess...

pumped it out..not much pumped out....

my current thinking is the fent has been clogged amd pumping into tank s building pressure....any thoughts of what else might cause this? if it's the vent, amy ideas of how to attack cleaning it?

(note: the pumping action into the tank seems to be a bit harder than i recall in the past...)


S2-27 For Sale in Austin, TX $14000

maajique
 

1986 S2 27 rigged for Spinnaker, full suite of sails, 2 Yr Old 155 Mylar, 135, Mylar, 100 Dacron, North Norlam Main.

Trailer not available without boat but available to Sailboat buyer for $2500.

See Pictures on Photos page.

As you all know, the S2 is a well built, sweet sailing yacht.

Jim@...


Re: Auto tiller

Mark Swart
 

That's a good upgrade - autohelms do really well on this boat because they are so balanced. I have the low-end Raymarine one (ST 1000?)- my mounting socket is?on top of?the starboard coaming. I had to get a 7 inch extension to make it work right, but it's a handy installation. Measure twice, drill once, everything has to be just right if you want it to work right. Also, if you have any speakers out there they have to be several feet away or the magnetics will drive it bonkers. I made that mistake on a previous boat : ) !
I couldn't live without my autohelm.


Auto tiller

 

Procured a nice Authelm AH 800 micro for $80 from a club member yesterday.

Have been monitoring ePray for months when I saw this posted at the club. Was looking for a Simrad as the power plug would have been a match, but i'll retrofit this spring.

The PO used a cantilever mount in the combing, unfortunately i dont't have the hardware...i might try to tap a new cantilever bracket or drill a new hole for the mounting pin on the deck aft the turning block.

So now two projects so far...


Re: Leaky oil pipe syndrome...part numbers - DONE

 

Hey Rick,

Thanks for the clear, detailed description of the procedure. It will likely come in handy for a number of us in the future. Congrats on getting it done well, and quickly. Sounds like Torresen's service was pretty fast.

I, too, am thinking about a new cutless bearing and a PSS dripless stuffing box this coming off season. I figure, if I need to disconnect the shaft for the dripless system, might as well pull the shaft and install the new cutless bearing at the same time. The operative word is "thinking," though. Ha! We'll see.... :)

___________________
Dave S.
s/v Clio
1987 S2 27, hull #80

PS. Here's "Main Sail"'s description of the PSS installation process:


No affiliation with Main Sail, but he seems to be extremely knowledgeable, and well regarded on the web.

--- In s227classassociation@..., "s227classassociation" <rperret@...> wrote:

This was easier than I thought.

Bilge was pretty clean after the absorbant mats sat for a week...

The banjo bolts for both pipes came off easily. I had to remove my raw water intake tube as it was blocking access.

The shorter lube pipe had some surface rust along some of its length, and at the port banjo fitting closest to the water pump. But there were no holes. The longer pipe was the problem. As others have said the water seal in the pump fails, causing it to leak, the it drips along the engine until it hits the retaining clip for the longer pipe...that causes water to then drip down the tube.

The new pipes arrive unfinished....For the longer pipe I painted with primocon primer and a couple costs of rustoleum...what i had in garage at the time. I plan to cover the pipe with some left over rubber hose. I also did not install the retaining clip i have to clean it as it was still rusty....will reinstall later...for the shorter pipe i smothered the exterior with lancote.

Banjo bolts were torqued down to 150 in-lbs.

I read somewhere that the if the water pump seals fail on these engines, the pump is designed to leak...not sure if this is urban legend or for real...

at any rate i am going to watch that pump like a hawk....and i may stick on some kind of small "dam" just under and to right of the pump on the lower engine block in hopes of diverting any leak straigh down...not sure how to do that...

i kept old part as i may go to a shop and see if the can weld new pipes to the banjo fittings as a backup, or simply use flexible break hose or the like....

Ran motor for about 20 min....no leaks..tomorrow i'll see if there is any leakage. hopefully i'm set for a few more years....

Next job after mid Oct haulout is new cutless bearing and dripless stuffing box! That job might be a bit more involved...




--- In s227classassociation@..., Bob Taylor <woodwork@> wrote:

Yep, the pipe and banjo fittings are assembled. My parts manual shows
them in a drawing so I never thought to order otherwise. When they were
out of stock I tried to make the front pipe from 8mm stainless pipe and
the fittings I un-sweated from the old one. After all that aggravation,
and having a weepy joint anyway, the price of the new ones seemed rather
reasonable. The lasting benefit of that project is a leftover piece of
1/4" tubing that fits my dipstick oil pump inlet and reaches to the
bottom of the fuel tank. I've pulled some watery fuel out a couple times
now in the spring.

As for cleaning the bilge, I tried all sorts of soapy stuff early on,
but it was always a mess.
When there was a couple inches of water from the stuffing box and half a
quart of oil from the engine all happening at once, I found that letting
an absorber sheet or two float in there for a few days would get 99.5%
of the oil. Pull the sheets and bag them for disposal. Pump the water
into a bucket, mix in some soap to lather up the last few drops. Correct
me if I have sinned, but this went over the side with no sheen or residue.
Then a pretty simple soap & water scrub out of the bilge was all it
took. I've had a clean sheet under the engine all season now. Just a few
dirty drips from checking the oil.

I remember struggling with wrench clearance... Maybe a short adjustable
opened way up? (I had a hard time finding a metric one...)


Re: Leaky oil pipe syndrome...part numbers - DONE

 

Well Done! Glad that went smoothly for you.
Since your oil pipe was rusted, we can assume that the water pump weeps. It is designed to drip the water getting past the pump chamber to the outside of the crankcase, not into our oil. The seals are cheap and easy to replace. The shaft is about $75 and the bearings are tricky little buggers to press on. Skip it unless the shaft is badly scored. Don't forget to order gaskets and spares for both sides of the pump. The head of the lowest bolt holding the pump on was corroded round so I replaced them all with stainless from the hardware store.