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Re: OT-Lunar meteor impact imaging?

 

Hi Lawrence:
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[To all - Lawrence has a long history of asteroid work (and has a rock named for him). He has captured several occultations and has a RunCam NE2 and VTI. He's not too far from Burlington VT].
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Do you know... Is the Perseid meteor stream heading roughly "toward" the Earth-facing part of the Moon? Also, one comment - video monitoring could add up to MANY files with MANY Gbs of data. But it could be a worthwhile endeavor. And yes, any impact really should be video recorded by two independent video systems in order to distinguish an impact from a cosmic ray hit on the detector.
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G


Occult Horizons Errors

 

Anyone else having the "Error requesting data from Horizons, Horizons will be skipped for next 20 secs.? The request was aborted:? Could not create SSL/TLS secure channel." problem this morning?? I've done all the usual, stopping and starting Occult, rebooting my laptop, etc., with no joy...
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Steve
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OT-Lunar meteor impact imaging?

 

Greetings All:
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With possible Perseids lunar impacts visible ~August 12 0h UT, any takers
for a project that may well keep you home for a change?
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Put those camera's and VTI's to work?
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We can take it off list or here, your call. This group has the right stuff.
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Lawrence Garrett
Fairfax VT?
lsgasteroid@...
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Re: 8051 Pistoria

 

All,
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I provided the information that Norm wanted on this event to him, and he's forwarding it on to Dave H.? If I hear more, I'll let you know.
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Steve
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From: Kevin <greenkevin01@...>
To: OccultNEUS <[email protected]>
Date: Monday, 29 July 2024 9:20 PM EDT
Subject: Re: [OccultNEUS] 8051 Pistoria

That's one for Dave Herald. I think he posted that he wanted to know of high prob events that were misses.


Re: Astrid: Camera only mode?

 

The Astrid can run in standalone / camera only mode.?? I haven't ventured into having it talk to a mount....

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On Wednesday, July 31, 2024 at 09:06:17 PM EDT, Kevin Green via groups.io <greenkevin01@...> wrote:


Can Astrid be run in camera only mode or must it talk to a mount?
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Astrid: Camera only mode?

 

Can Astrid be run in camera only mode or must it talk to a mount?
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Re: 8051 Pistoria

 

Steve, Roxanne, Kai:
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Noble attempts - Congrats. I have to wonder about those 9th mag (or brighter) Targets... I've also missed a couple bright "sure things".
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Yes Kevin, Dave did say to let him know of essentially certain events that ended up being Misses. I let him know of one recently - never heard back (or maybe that wasn't needed?).
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Rock on,
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Re: 8051 Pistoria

 

That's one for Dave Herald. I think he posted that he wanted to know of high prob events that were misses.


8051 Pistoria

 

All,
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Roxanne and I deployed 4 stations for this rank 100, mag 9.5 event early this morning.? All stations recorded the star passing through center at the predicted event time.? All stations ran at 20 frames per second or higher, and look like they have high SNR.
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Unfortunately, our preliminary analysis shows no blink on any of the 4, despite having having high (53 to 99%) probabilities <heavy sigh>...
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Kai deployed another station between 2 of our misses, hopefully (but unlikely) he'll have a better result.
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Steve
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Re: (8051) Pistoria Early Monday AM

 

Steve:
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Yes, you look to be mainly cloud-free (maybe not "fog-free") for your event (roughly at the arrow) - Best of Luck! If anything I would be driving down the Northway to Schroon Lake, NY (where the circle is) to try for your event... and I'm seeing a very good chance of clouds for 3am (see attached). For me at home it clouds-up about midnight and I have a couple low probability events I can try for in the evening here.
Again, best of luck! 9th mag events are nice.
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Re: July 27UT (623)

 

The clouds for tonight here (Wellsboro) are still not suppose roll in until about 8 AM.? My bigger worry is fog, especially at my new site that is right by a large lake.? We will have fog, just a question of does it form before or after event time.
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Still planning to use my observatory and 2 C-5/Astrid stations.
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Steve?
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From: George <georvisc@...>
To: OccultNEUS <[email protected]>
Date: Sunday, 28 July 2024 11:17 AM EDT
Subject: Re: [OccultNEUS] July 27UT (623)

Even if clear skies, this was quite a 'tough' event - being so low to the horizon. Thx to all who tried. Wish it were more often that paths crossed several of us. Almost always it's just 1 observer. I'm tempted to do a drive to try for Steve's 9th mag event tonight (29th), but I'm seeing clouds moving in. ...And sadly the smoke is back this summer.
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Re: July 27UT (623)

 

Even if clear skies, this was quite a 'tough' event - being so low to the horizon. Thx to all who tried. Wish it were more often that paths crossed several of us. Almost always it's just 1 observer. I'm tempted to do a drive to try for Steve's 9th mag event tonight (29th), but I'm seeing clouds moving in. ...And sadly the smoke is back this summer.
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Re: July 27UT (623)

 

There was a bank of clouds that refused to leave the southern sky for about 24 hours¡­ or more. Very strange as there was almost no movement. Almost half the sky was covered. It simply wasn¡¯t possible for me to make an attempt.

In OW desktop I can input ¡®no observation¡¯ and give a reason. I am able to cancel the station in OWC, but I can¡¯t find a place to put a reason so others will know why I canceled. That event did not show up in desktop, probably because of filters.
Sorry, but I had to drop out around 15 minutes before the event.
Rick Bria?


Re: July 27UT (623)

 

Made the attempt.......
Hazy horizons and VERY bad seeing did me in. I do get a plot of the Target Star in the "Py's", but it's buried too much in noise. Almost, but not quite. Had to go to 1/2 sec exposures. One of the "by-far-better" video frames attached.
Was redeemed a couple hours later, from another site, with a different, very nice Pos.
I see others disappeared from OW. I think I saw clouds down toward NYC.......
Anyway, this is (one reason) we have this forum - trying to coordinate multiple chords.
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Re: (8051) Pistoria Early Monday AM

 

Map...


(8051) Pistoria Early Monday AM

 

Anyone else able to look at this one?? It is a keeper for me, but it doesn't look like it gets close to anyone else.? Line is south of Pittsburgh, Wellboro, south of Ithaca, north of Montpelier.? I intend to use the home observatory plus two Astrids from here.? Early weather predicts look dicey for me, but it could go either way...
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Monday 7/29 ~7:19 UT
Rank 100
Mag 9.5 with a 8.1 drop
Tmax 0.5 seconds
36 deg el, 199 deg az
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Steve


Re: July 27UT (623)

 


Thanks for sending this alert.
I can¡¯t do 11¡ã at Sacred Heart observatory. I can¡¯t go below 15¡ã. I will check out attempting this at the Bowman observatory, which may be able to go that low. Big things happening at the Bowman observatory that may allow me to do asteroids from there going forward. It¡¯s walking distance from my house. I¡¯ve never attempted occultations from there yet.?

Rick?


Re: July 27UT (623)

 

I'm planning for observations from both places: Westport & New Haven. I've added the 2nd station on OW.
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The New Haven station will be relatively stationary and automated. That's the goal. It can be moved for important events such as a Didymous campaign.
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July 27UT (623)

 

Yup, me again....
I ran an Occult4 search and note the opportunity for a decent Multi-observer NEUS event coming up in the next few days (and I also see it on OW Desktop). Screenshots attached. The event is:
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July 27th (623) - It seems I should have a sure-shot, but I also notice so can Rick Bria and Kevin Green. On OW I see that both Kevin and I had previously signed up. However... I note that Kevin is observing from New Haven (where he has a "0%" chance). From the observatory in Westport he could have a 100% chance. Rick has a 100% chance.
Note that, yes, this event is rather low above the SSW horizon. Possible nicely spaced 3-chord event. The asteroid has a rather oblong shape. A longer exposure is possible which will help counteract the extinction and scintillation of it being 11 degrees up.
Details: ~3:22UT, Moon just rising, LOW at 11d up, Az 195d, Combined Mag 13.3, 1.8 drop, Max Dur of 4.9 sec, Above the tail of Scorpius.
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I'm not certain of my plans yet (I have a few other event options), but..... for now... FYI.
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Re: Sept 12 & July 20 (past) - (1036) Ganymed NEA

 

Thanks for the heads up George. Your flagging of the event to us is much appreciated.?? I've added Ganymed to my queue. ? - Roxanne

On Wednesday, July 24, 2024 at 10:10:47 AM EDT, Steve C via groups.io <conard@...> wrote:


This is a good one, thanks for pointing it out, George.? I should be able to 3 stations for this one.? My only caveat is I do have to travel for work sometime in September--hopefully not that week.

Steve
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From: George <georvisc@...>
To: OccultNEUS <[email protected]>
Date: Tuesday, 23 July 2024 4:26 PM EDT
Subject: [OccultNEUS] Sept 12 & July 20 (past) - (1036) Ganymed NEA

Who says you can't do interesting observations under a Full Moon...
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On September 12th Steve Conard (and possibly Roxanne) have a shot at this interesting rock (see Occult4 path). (Others NEUS observers have shots, but they would need to go mobile). It's technically classified as an "NEO/NEA" but it actually comes much closer to Mars. It's also a rock on the ACROSS team list.

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Combined mag = 9.2 / Max Dur = 4.8 sec / Pred Mag Drop = 0.43 / Alt 54d / Moon 60%, 86d away
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Interestingly enough I was able to capture it on July 20th - the event being very similar to Sept 30th circumstances. My conditions were:
Combined mag = 10.2 / Max Dur = 4.6 sec / Pred Mag Drop = 0.38 / Alt 67d / Moon 98%, 77d away. (I got a duration of 4.50 sec and drop of 0.25 mag)
[I also got Pos events on July 21st, and 22nd - under the near-Full Moon].
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(1036) has a highly inclined orbit and it was nice going after a rock that was just exiting the dense starfield of CYGNUS! It was nearly overhead for my observation!
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It was captured with my 12-inch and using my Astrid (at 33fps - 0.00% timestamp error). Visually I could not see the drop on the computer monitor, but in the PyMovie/PyOTE analysis, the 0.25 mag drop I measured is unmistakable (and to the second of the prediction).
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I'll also mention an interesting aspect when I went to send Norm my report... For QHY camera events I was told to always send the .log file the camera produces (helps verify the timing was accurate...). In sending my report and using an Astrid I'm also attaching the .log file the Astrid produces. In this case, for this important rock, I recorded for 1.5 minutes on each side of the predicted center-time (running at 33fps). This produced an Astrid.log file of over 14Mb. Some ISP mail systems only still allow attachments up to 10Mb in size. My full report with all needed files was about 17Mb. I have brought this to the attention of Mark Simpson (Astrid) and Steve Preston.
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