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Thanks Dave for such a fun instrument (UC18)


 

All,
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After my 2 star alignment last night I set the Argo Navis to 'From Planetaruim" and retired to my recliner to "remote into" the telescope computer.
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My UC18 dob "system" then sat out on my deck in range of my wifi and performed flawlessly powered over 8 hours by a 55 amp hour battery.
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The ServoCAT and powered ground board provide the rotating power contacts and motion control with perfect interaction with Argo Navis.? Mallincam gets it power through these rotating contacts.
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There is something very satisfying about all these systems working together to give me this remote observing capability from a dob.
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In addition to these systems that grant me remote imaging capability, the Argo Navis has a second serial port that will give you lots of details (can tell you where is the telescope pointing at the instant in time for your data needs), my Eagle4S supports web query to report the SQM of the 5 degree section of the sky where the telescope is pointing, the temperature, humidity, dew point, Battery voltage, current consumption, remaining power of the battery, GPS parameters.? I then copy every parameter of the Mallincam camera (lots of parameters) with one button click and paste into a MS Access database along with the full file name of each image I capture.? I am still working on capturing the focus motor position index.? I have already characterized the relative focus position for each of my filters so I can "perfectly" set the focus if I ever remotely change filters.
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In summary, I am having more fun that a human should be allowed to have.? I can remotely slew, focus, change filters, read and store all my sensor data along with all my camera settings (thanks for the MCS diagnose screen with the copy button to capture each setting of the camera!).
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Thanks to all those subject matter experts that have enabled me to have such a fun hobby.
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I am really impressed with the MCS deep sky stacking mode that de-rotates each stack and how well it works.? After just a few stacks there is so much detail being pulled out of the noise.

I fell asleep while stacking NGC6992 and woke up at stack #200--looked really great.

Next project:? capture images from multiple nights to create a mosaic by returning to the camera settings of the previous night.

Thanks to Dave K. for making such a fine instrument that I am enjoying so much.

Regards,
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Richard Miller


 

Hello Richard,

You're right it's a great instrument, perfectly made. For my part, I have the classic 18” version. I will be very interested to know your fully automatic configuration, because I am considering a configuration of this type, eagle pro 4 works well with the SC system ? the connection is made directly to the USB port or PC port of the SC then you switch AN in planetarium? is that right? What focuser autofocus system do you use?

I would be really happy to gather some information about your type of configuration..

Thank you very much,?

Guillaume ( France)


 

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Hi Guillaume,

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Attached is a photo with the Eagle4S mounted on a homemade plywood bracket that attaches where the wheelbarrow handles normally attach.

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And here is the block diagram of the equipment connections (just realized this does not show my focuser)

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And my power diagram

My Focuser is the Primalucelab focuser and it works great with the FeatherTouch.

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One of the key elements of this was the Pegasus USB3 hub that has the ability to use all previous versions of USB at the same time.

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ServoCAT uses USB 2.0 while my Mallincam video camera uses USB 3.0.? I have not found any other USB hub that supports all USB protocols at the same time except for the Pegasus hub.

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I wrote some Visual Basic software to parse all my data for entry into my MS Access database.

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Good luck with your Telescope system.

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Richard Miller

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Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2022 4:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [ObsessionUsers] Thanks Dave for such a fun instrument (UC18)

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Hello Richard,

You're right it's a great instrument, perfectly made. For my part, I have the classic 18” version. I will be very interested to know your fully automatic configuration, because I am considering a configuration of this type, eagle pro 4 works well with the SC system ? the connection is made directly to the USB port or PC port of the SC then you switch AN in planetarium? is that right? What focuser autofocus system do you use?

I would be really happy to gather some information about your type of configuration..

Thank you very much,?

Guillaume ( France)


 

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A work of art !!

On Aug 14, 2022, at 8:05 PM, Richard via <rmille64@...> wrote:

Hi Guillaume,
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Attached is a photo with the Eagle4S mounted on a homemade plywood bracket that attaches where the wheelbarrow handles normally attach.
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And here is the block diagram of the equipment connections (just realized this does not show my focuser)
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And my power diagram
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My Focuser is the Primalucelab focuser and it works great with the FeatherTouch.
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One of the key elements of this was the Pegasus USB3 hub that has the ability to use all previous versions of USB at the same time.
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ServoCAT uses USB 2.0 while my Mallincam video camera uses USB 3.0.? I have not found any other USB hub that supports all USB protocols at the same time except for the Pegasus hub.
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I wrote some Visual Basic software to parse all my data for entry into my MS Access database.
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Good luck with your Telescope system.
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Richard Miller
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From:?[email protected]?<[email protected]>?On Behalf Of?guillaumetmt@...
Sent:?Sunday, August 14, 2022 4:27 PM
To:?[email protected]
Subject:?Re: [ObsessionUsers] Thanks Dave for such a fun instrument (UC18)
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Hello Richard,

You're right it's a great instrument, perfectly made. For my part, I have the classic 18” version. I will be very interested to know your fully automatic configuration, because I am considering a configuration of this type, eagle pro 4 works well with the SC system ? the connection is made directly to the USB port or PC port of the SC then you switch AN in planetarium? is that right? What focuser autofocus system do you use?

I would be really happy to gather some information about your type of configuration..

Thank you very much,?

Guillaume ( France)



Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky
 

Yeah everyone sucking up to the guy that once you have the scope, and it does not work, goes dark. Yep thanks!




 

Customer complaints for products and services should not be ignored. ?I doubt that a group of enthusiasts and satisfied customers will be persuaded to join your cause if they have not been denied the customer service, or warranty repair or a refund from the supplier of the defective product.

I hope your complaint is addressed and wish you a speedy resolution. ?

Regards,

Richard


Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky
 

Then DO NOT buy from Obsession. Because the dentist ignores complaints or tries to pass them off to subcontractors. Yeah It's been 5 years or more. And never once has he admitted he, or whoever built my UC-22, screwed it up.?
No worries, I fixed his screw ups. Just sad that he never ever owned up to it.?


It's like you buy a BMW, the A/C fails in the first month, and BMW says "Sorry, contact the compressor manufacturer for help!"?



 

So share how you resolved the issues. ?Are your improvements effective and reliable? ?


 

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Woes concerning the UC series are not uncommon.? Here are mine.? In 2017 I bought a nearly new Obsession 18UC from a fellow using?AstroMart.??He had ordered the scope from Obsession and while it was being built contracted a debilitating medical condition that forced him to sell his scope after it was delivered.??He was never able to even look through the scope as his wife was unable to set it up for him.??I managed to acquire the scope at quite a discount.??It was loaded but did not have?ServoCat?installed.??I purchased a?ServoCat?Jr. system from Gary at?StellarCAT?who provided hours of technical assistance in getting a working installation.??Thus began my love, hate-hate relationship with my Obsession 18UC.??The optics were superb, however the mechanical implementation of those optics in the UC platform was flawed.??The design criteria that the scope must fit inside the 26.5” cube airline box was probably the root of the?telescopes?stability issues.??As to meet?this criteria, many shortcuts had to be taken.??All of which contributed to the inability of the scope to hold collimation?during the course of?an evening’s viewing.??The other significant issue with the scope is the amount of flex in the scope when being driven by the?ServoCAT?system.??If you were looking at an object under high power and you needed to “tweak” its position in altitude just a smidgeon to recenter it in the eyepiece’s FOV you were in for a very frustrating experience.??Normally you would select the lowest guide speed on the?ServoCAT?hand pad and poke the up/down motor control buttons as necessary to recenter.??With my 18UC if the last direction the scope had travelled was the same direction you needed to move to recenter, you might get lucky and get it recentered without much fuss.??However, if the direction was opposite of the scopes last altitude movement the scope’s Virtual Mirror Box (VMB) would shift so significantly in the Rocker Box (RB) that the object of interest would be thrown about a half of a degree out of the field of view, then the dance to recenter trying to overcome the VMB and RB slop would ensue.??The slop between the VMB and RB caused me hours and hours of grief as well as many $$$ trying to correct.??I spent a very significant amount of time on the phone with Dave K. of Obsession and Gary with?StellarCAT?trying to resolve the issue.??Dave K. finally gave up and simply told me that the scope met his design criteria.??After three years of fighting this scope, I basically packed it away when we moved to Colorado.??I ended up finding another Obsession Classic scope (20” F5) on AstroMartand have been happy with it.??It is not an ideal telescope for public outreach as the climb to the eyepiece when near zenith was a strong concern.??So, I used the Obsession Classic 20” for personal viewing only.??In 2022 I found that Astro System, the maker of the?Telekit?wood kits for Dobsonian telescopes, would?actually build?the wood enclosure of the?Telekit?for you. I contacted Randy at Astro Systems and?made arrangementswith him to build a new enclosure for my 18”.??I removed all of the telescope’s guts (optics, electronics, focuser, motors, DSC, and finders) and took everything to Astro Systems in La Salle Colorado, about a four-five hour?trip from my rural home in Westcliffe in May of this year.??Randy built my new enclosure, reconfigured (with the help of Gary at?StellarCA) my?ServoCAT?Jr. system to work with the?Telekit.??I picked the scope up last week after about 2 1/2 months and brought the scope home.??After some initial configuration setting issues with the Nexus DSC and the?ServoCAT?(different size bearings and ground board changed the gear ratios) I took the scope outside in the light of a 89% full moon last night and did a single alignment with two stars and then told the new scope to go the binary pair WZ CAS and lo and behold the scope zipped on over and placed the pair within the FOV of my 10mm Pentax XW eyepiece.??Next was Albireo, it was a little toward the edge of the?FOV?so I selected the lowest guide speed on the?ServoCAT?and was able to center Albireo perfectly.??I purposely moved it all over the FOV alternating between the up/down motor controls and the amount of slop was not even noticeable.??I can not express my gratitude with Randy of Astro Systems and especially with Gary at?StellarCAT?whose patience and perseverance helped me achieve the full potential of the original guts of my former Obsession 18UC.??Now I proudly proclaim that I have an 18TK that works like a dream.??

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I had serious conversations with Webster Telescopes, DOC Telescopes in Italy, New Moon Telescopes, and Teeter Telescopes Before I chose Astro Systems for my rehost project.??So if you are experiencing frustration with your Obsession UC telescope, I whole heartedly recommend rehosting your telescope’s “guts” into another host, and I will attest that Astro Systems was the best choice for me, and probably for you as well.

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v/r

Chuck Jagow

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From: <[email protected]> on behalf of Richard <rmille64@...>
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Date: Sunday, August 14, 2022 at 11:02 PM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ObsessionUsers] Thanks Dave for such a fun instrument (UC18)

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Customer complaints for products and services should not be ignored. ?I doubt that a group of enthusiasts and satisfied customers will be persuaded to join your cause if they have not been denied the customer service, or warranty repair or a refund from the supplier of the defective product.

I hope your complaint is addressed and wish you a speedy resolution. ?

Regards,

Richard


 
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Richard,

Thanks for providing that - really great stuff! ?I have been using my UC18 successfully for 15 years for visual observing. ?This definitely gives me something to think about! ?I live in a city under a canopy of 100 foot tall oaks and streetlights that completely obscure the sky. ?I have to drive 40 miles to access clear dark skies, so it is the Ultra Compact nature of the UC18, which is its defining characteristic, that I value the most. ?I never would have been able to use a heavier scope, such as the Classic, as often as I have the UC18. ?I've gladly accepted the obvious limitations imposed by the design tradeoffs inherent in creating such a lightweight and portable design, because I'd rather spend time at the eyepiece of a less than perfect instrument than looking at a perfect one stored in its crate at home. ?

Bob


Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky
 

Yeah the dentist screwing over Gary is a long running saga. It's SEVEROCAT's fault my assembler person screwed up your drive.
?And Gary? He says "they are my bread and butter" maker, I can not complain.

What a shame. And customer complaints should be ignored. What fool said that? Is THAT what this list is about?
Just a bunch of fan boys and girls telling the dentist what a WONDERFUL PERSON HE IS? Oh yes!!! And I am sure whoever wrote that NEVER EVER was dissatisfied with a purchase.?
How sad. I mean HOW SAD.?


 

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OK, try to understand a couple of things - Im not at all interested in a flame war:
Dave has sold over a thousand Obsessions of various sizes since Obsession 1 was first designed. Clearly people love his scopes. Yes, Im absolutely sure some get out of the shop that probably shouldn’t. Dave has typically been very responsive to customer issues and my own personal experience with Dave backs that up. Ive owned my Obsession 15 for 20 yrs now without a single mechanical issue or failure.?
The original mirror supplied by Torus ( Optical Mechanics) had a horrible TDE out of the box. Torus offered to fix it and they did by beveling off the outer .25 inch , effectively turning it into a 14.5” mirror. I emailed Dave who offered to replace it with a mirror from a maker of my choice. So, after a long conversation with Carl Zambuto, and following his suggestions, I went with Steve Swayze who produced a fine mirror, far better than the one from Torus. From my experience, Dave is a stand up guy and provides great support. I know your experience differs from mine and many others, and I cannot speak to that. ?All we have to go on is what you claim.

But to flame others who have had similar experiences to mine is insulting and sophomoric. Be better than that.

Al I know is that my Obsession has been the best purchase Ive ever made, nothing comes close tho my Honda snowblower is a distant second :)?


On Aug 16, 2022, at 12:13 AM, Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky via <indanapt@...> wrote:

Yeah the dentist screwing over Gary is a long running saga. It's SEVEROCAT's fault my assembler person screwed up your drive.
?And Gary? He says "they are my bread and butter" maker, I can not complain.

What a shame. And customer complaints should be ignored. What fool said that? Is THAT what this list is about?
Just a bunch of fan boys and girls telling the dentist what a WONDERFUL PERSON HE IS? Oh yes!!! And I am sure whoever wrote that NEVER EVER was dissatisfied with a purchase.?
How sad. I mean HOW SAD.?


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Mark Bungart
15" Obsession #643 / Swayze mirror
Grove City, Ohio


 

On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 10:38 PM, Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky wrote:
Then DO NOT buy from Obsession. Because the dentist ignores complaints or tries to pass them off to subcontractors. Yeah It's been 5 years or more. And never once has he admitted he, or whoever built my UC-22, screwed it up.?
No worries, I fixed his screw ups. Just sad that he never ever owned up to it.?
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It's like you buy a BMW, the A/C fails in the first month, and BMW says "Sorry, contact the compressor manufacturer for help!"?
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Jeff …

I bought my UC 22 with Servocat Drive and Argo Navis in 2015. I have used it extensively. I can identify with your some of your inputs/problems and empathize with your experience. I did make a number of modifications (Markless cable stop altitude drive, oblong mirror cell guides [keep mirror from moving side to side], additional VMB guides [limit movement from torque of altitude drive], removed powered ground board connection, installed lithium battery connection in rocker box, and modified rocker box to ground board pads to improve performance. This was definitely more modification involvement than previous truss Newtonians I have owned. But, every truss Newtonian I’ve owned required tweeking and/or some minor modifications. I guess for the relative portability and price I paid compared to other 22” options at the time I accepted the ATM work required. I can understand where others might not.

I always transport/move it using wheel barrow handles and ramps with the altitude cable and altitude encoder bracket always attached (I do not attempt to lift the mirror and VMB into place). I never have a problem with the altitude cable coming off during transport or in use. I have used the telescope with both the Argo Navis and Nexus coupled with the Servocat. The telescope tracks well (no problem doing EAA with a Mallincam) and all speeds/movements of the hand control work well. For my telescope, accurate GoTo performance with the telescope requires using MPoint(Nexus) or TPAS(Argo) correction. Both MPoint and TPAS work well with objects over most of the sky well within the FOV of a 17mm Ethos eyepiece. I have now reverted back to using the Argo Navis because it allows storing persistent mount errors and synching after the model is in place (At this time, Nexus MPoint does not allow this). I saved ECES and Collimation error data which is persistent). So, after the initial 2 star alignment, I only do a 4 star TPAS calculation(IE) taking 10-15 minutes for accurate GoTo performance across the sky. The collimation holds well from the zenith to low altitudes.

I admit the UC 22 is not the best telescope out there and that DK could improve the design and probably provide better support … But, overall, I feel mine is a very good telescope … the optics are very good and the telescope performs consistently well. Over my 7 years of ownership, I have observed thousands of objects with it and continue to use it without problem. My impression/experience with the UC 22 is different than yours. Of course, I respect your opinion and so do others. But, for me, seeing your inputs over a number of years on every related forum (and your communication with fellow astronomers we have encountered in common) that the Obsession UC 22 is the worst telescope ever and no one should ever buy/own one is very disappointing. I have no immediate intention of doing so, but, I feel you may have made it almost impossible for me to ever sell my UC 22.

Just my input/feelings … Jim

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Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky
 

You pay 15,000, you expect better. PERIOD. END OF STORY.
If I had bought a classic I'd be a fanboy like all of you.?

I have found the dentist could give two 'you know whats' about any UC-22 issues. It IS a bad design. (Oh he claims it is a 'COMPROMISE'... like a little boy making an excuse for peeing his pants).
And it's not GARY'S problem that the dentist or is minions can't assemble it properly. And certainly I STILL deserve a $3500 refund on a drive that requires an ATM to make it work!! If I wanted an ATM project I'd have done one!
Whatever. I've been through this 100 times. Fanboyz.? It's like talking to TRUMP supporters. No matter what is done wrong, no matter what the evidence, no matter the truth, they assume its someone elses fault or that I am 'Out to get him'.
Which I am until I get my $3500 back for his crap drive installation and VMB design.?


Fine. I am done. Until the next time. Because I will continue to tell people the UC's are a bad idea.



 

Hi Jeff,
the fact is that my experience with a classic 15 and the very first UC22 AN/SC is completely different from yours and it is very good to excellent. If we concentrate on UC22 that you are very disappointed with, I choose from the ordering to ask for single piece altitude bearings to avoid what I suspected to be some potential problems with foldable ones and I added some washers between the VMB and the side bearings to handle the slack that I had between the VMB and the rocker. Having done that during the initial assembly of my scope, I am very happy with it. Yes it is not as smooth as the classic design but I have AN/SC so it is not so important to me. The collimation holds from low altitude to zenith with some marginal difference I have always noted from all big scopes that I had the opportunity to compare with at star parties. Pointing and tracking works well, no issues with the altitude cable. What was most important to me is that I can put my UC22 in a standard space wagon and drive to my preferred rural dark spot and assemble/disassemble it alone. And the views are ... wow. So we can argue endlessly about the value of the scopes and what you expected for that price. On my own when I look at the price of a very good 22' mirror, AN / SC, ?I found that the value of the total integrated scope is very good :-). I am very rational about my buying choices and I do not regret a moment to have let my scopes travel the ocean to land in my garage in France. I understand that you are disappointed, just consider that your experience might not reflect the one of many others who are satisfied without being stupid fans ;-)

clear skies, Frederic


 

Frederic,

i purchased my UC18 without the ServoCAT and later installed it my self. ?Very happy customer, and have added lots of extras to achieve remote observing from inside my house. ?I plan to also truck my system to many dark sites once I retire from work. ?


you do have to be careful with the task of making the pivot hole larger to support the powered ground board—which I eventually ?got right. ?Not for the faint of heart or inexperienced wood worker.

I did have my cable come off the bearing until I simply modified my tension spring. ?Perfect operation for the last couple of years. ?I have so much anticipation for weekends with clear skies and a new moon it is a true delight. ?I only use my Mallincam and view from my recliner on my big screen TV. ?


Customer Service or technical service of complicated systems via email or phone is a huge challenge. ?I do hope Jeffery got his ServoCAT working to his satisfaction and still would like to hear how he resolved the issues.

Richard




 


I am curious if you have a blog post or something detailing the story of your scope and interactions with DaveK. It might have more effect in deterring future owners than what you posted in this thread (and few others that I have seen from you).




On Thu, Aug 18, 2022 at 7:44 AM Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky via <indanapt=[email protected]> wrote:
You pay 15,000, you expect better. PERIOD. END OF STORY.
If I had bought a classic I'd be a fanboy like all of you.?

I have found the dentist could give two 'you know whats' about any UC-22 issues. It IS a bad design. (Oh he claims it is a 'COMPROMISE'... like a little boy making an excuse for peeing his pants).
And it's not GARY'S problem that the dentist or is minions can't assemble it properly. And certainly I STILL deserve a $3500 refund on a drive that requires an ATM to make it work!! If I wanted an ATM project I'd have done one!
Whatever. I've been through this 100 times. Fanboyz.? It's like talking to TRUMP supporters. No matter what is done wrong, no matter what the evidence, no matter the truth, they assume its someone elses fault or that I am 'Out to get him'.
Which I am until I get my $3500 back for his crap drive installation and VMB design.?


Fine. I am done. Until the next time. Because I will continue to tell people the UC's are a bad idea.



 

I have owned an 18UC and I still have a 20Classic so I understand and appreciate the design as well as some of the shortcomings, particularly of the UC platform. Of course there are other telescopes that I could purchased that have solved many of these design problems... and, of course, they also cost a LOT more.

It seems like Jeff thought he was buying a top notch race car, but only budgetted for a Hyundai or Kia while honestly expecting BMW, Porsche or AMG performance.

I would encourage Jeff to sell the Obsession and go buy a SDM or some other brand that has adopted and improved upon DaveK's design. They are typically at least $15k PLUS the cost of mirrors. Jeff might even develop an appreciation for his original purchase price.

I am personally very happy that Dave and Obsession have brought afforable large Dobs to market that have immensely increased the size and portability of telescopes available to amature astronomers, at relatively affordable prices.

My older/used Obsession telescopes were a fantastic deal considering the new pricing of these large mirrors. A used Obsession telescope can be an amazing deal. It's like purchasing a large mirror and getting a fairly decent structure to hold it for almost free. I have thoroughly enjoyed both the UC and Classic telescopes.

I would not hesitate to buy another classic or ultra compact, either new or used, fully understanding that it could certainly benefit from some improvements.

If one really hates the Obsession UC design limitations of the structure, by all means, go spend another 15k on a better structure and reuse those mirrors... don't forget you probably also have to go and buy a trailer to be able to haul it around.

Cheers,
Josh

On Wed., Aug. 17, 2022, 8:14 p.m. Jeffrey D. Gortatowsky via , <indanapt=[email protected]> wrote:

You pay 15,000, you expect better. PERIOD. END OF STORY.
If I had bought a classic I'd be a fanboy like all of you.?

I have found the dentist could give two 'you know whats' about any UC-22 issues. It IS a bad design. (Oh he claims it is a 'COMPROMISE'... like a little boy making an excuse for peeing his pants).
And it's not GARY'S problem that the dentist or is minions can't assemble it properly. And certainly I STILL deserve a $3500 refund on a drive that requires an ATM to make it work!! If I wanted an ATM project I'd have done one!
Whatever. I've been through this 100 times. Fanboyz.? It's like talking to TRUMP supporters. No matter what is done wrong, no matter what the evidence, no matter the truth, they assume its someone elses fault or that I am 'Out to get him'.
Which I am until I get my $3500 back for his crap drive installation and VMB design.?


Fine. I am done. Until the next time. Because I will continue to tell people the UC's are a bad idea.



 
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Dave designs and manufactures his own scopes.? He has successfully run his own US-based company for decades while competing in a global market place that is dominated by low-cost, off-shore manufacturers who sometimes copy US designs and sell them back to us at lower cost.? How many people can do what Dave has done?? Dave is a great American.

Go read any forum about any piece of gear (astro-related or otherwise) and there will always be complaints about the product being a complete piece of garbage.? Some of these posts are legit, some are placed by competitors, some by internet trolls, and some are posted by complete nut jobs.? But even the legit complaints are usually outliers.? All sane and saavy buyers will read a couple of “one star” complaints and recognize them for what they are.

None of the dozen or so telescopes that I have purchased in the past 50 years has worked flawlessly right out of the box, and as the scopes have gotten more complex and more expensive, the problems have gotten worse.? Back in the day (at least in my experience), most problems were mechanical in nature, but the worst problems tended to be intractible (bad optics for example).? Not much the average buyer (me) could do about a bad mirror or lens, unless you could get the vendor or mfg to agree that it was bad.? These days, the optics have gotten much better, but now the problems have to do with electronics, cables, connectors, motors, power, etc.? Although I will point out that I bought a highly regarded and popular 5” refractor from a respectable vendor about 8 years ago that was delivered with several screws rattling around loose in the box - having worked themselves loose during shipping across the Pacific.? So we’re still having mechanical issues too.

There was a time when I too felt agrieved by this state of affairs, but it has occurred to me that if these products were all flawless, I probabaly would not be able to afford any of them, the market for these products would be much smaller (catering only to wealthy customers), and we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

Of all the scopes that I’ve purchased over the years, the OBSESSION UC18, while not perfect, is hands down THE BEST TELESCOPE that I have ever owned. ?Thank you, Dave.

Bob

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The problem with the Obsession 18” UC is the trade-offs to make it super portable and capable of being put into the white plastic airline shipping box.?

Folding bearing arms

Thin upper ring

Virtual Mirror Box (VMB)

Rocker Box (RB)

Six Pole Set

All of these parts are made out of plywood (except the poles).

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I have owned six big dobs 14” or larger.? Two Obsessions (a 20” Classic and an 18” UC), a Night Sky 16”, a 20” Sky Watcher Compact Scope, an Orion Goto 14”, and my Telekit 18”

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The very best mechanics of the group, the 14” Orion Goto – hands down the most reliable, easy to setup, and most accurate GoTo operations.? But it was impossible to move after its setup unless you build a “dolly” for it.? The hardest to setup was the Sky Watcher 20”, and this scope executed the poorest implementation of a known working GoTo system.? The Obsession 20” is a beast that takes a bit to setup but is rock-solid with a Servo-Cat and the Nexus DSC GoTo system workings very well, and is very stable and holds collimation all night (across many nights as long as you don’t dismantle it).?

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The 18” UC was purchased after the 20” Sky Watcher fiasco (Sky Watcher fully reimbursed my purchase price and paid for return shipping after I documented all of its shortcomings (two months later Sky Watcher stopped producing the GoTo version of the scope).? The 18” UC came with nearly every option available with the exception of ServoCat.? Which I bought from a fellow on AstroMart who never even set he scope up after contracting a severe medical condition.? I contacted Gary at StellarCAT who sold me a ServoCAT Jr. system and provided EXTENSIVE customer service so that I could have a good installation.? Initially the 18” UC employed an Argo Navis DSC system from Wild Card. ??The first issue with the telescope was that it would lose collimation after a few movements from one side of the sky to the other.? Too much flexing in the poles and upper cage assembly.? The second major issue was the slop in the VMB.? Under ServoCAT it would slew accurately and place an object within the FOV of a 17mm eyepiece.? If you wanted to recenter the object is where the slop issue rears its head.? If the last altitude direction of the scope was up and you needed to poke the ServoCAT motor control buttons in the up direction (same direction as the last movement) you could reasonably expect to get the object back to center.? If you had to move the scope in the opposite direct of its last altitude motion, you would press and hold the motor control button for about a full second before anything happened, then the cable would start to move the VMB, the first movement would be a SHIFT of about two to three degrees (eyepiece FOV) as the VMB shifted in the RB as the torque from the altitude motor was applied.? Dave K and Gary bot suggested a set of additional Teflon pads attached to the RB with screws to help keep the VMB from shifting excessively (these are in addition to the Teflon supports Obsession nailed in, but easily pushed out by the VMB. ?Dave K. sent me a set of steel stiffener bars that attached across the tops of the bearings to provide a little more stiffness (this was supposed to eliminate the collimation issue and help with the VMB shift) these would help the scope maintain collimation for a dozen or so more slews across the sky but did nothing for the VMB shift.? Gary from StellarCAT gave me many, many suggestions on trying to minimize the VMB shift.? These were pretty much all in vain.? By this time Dave K. had given up and stopped answering emails, and simply told me that the scope met his design criteria.? Gary and I ran out of things to try, so sadly the scope with some of the best optics I have had, was sidelined from its purpose of providing public outreach and I fell back to my trusty 12” Orion GoTo.

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This spring I contracted with Astro Systems to build a Telekit that would host all of my 18” UC “guts”. ?After three months, Randy at Astro System informed me the new scope was ready for pickup.? Once home and the proper bearing ratio configuration data was entered into the ServoCat the scope is fully operational and my previous 18” optics are now once again in use.? No noticeable mirror box shifting is seen in the eyepiece FOV while changing altitude direction, and it holds collimation exceptionally well.

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Overall I spent about one and a half times as much money as a new 18” UC with ServoCAT directly from Dave K. would have cost? If there would have been a few HONEST reviews of the 18” UC up on the forums, I would NOT have bought the UC platform, I would have bought a 18” Classic with ServoCAT.? That sure would have saved me a lot of time, effort, and tons of grief.

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I am a “Fan Boy” of the Obsession Classic line, I have seen many at star parties and looked through most, as well as competitors scopes. And the Obsession Classic is truly a very good scope.? The excursion of Obsession to the UC line was a mistake in my opinion.? The best UC style scope if you have the $$$ is a DOC telescope (Italian made) with the New Moon hybrid scopes a close second.? Webster still makes a premium classic style scope as well, but they are a bit expensive.

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Chuck Jagow

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From: <[email protected]> on behalf of "Bob 1 via groups.io" <rgardner25000@...>
Reply-To: <[email protected]>
Date: Saturday, August 20, 2022 at 9:53 AM
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ObsessionUsers] Thanks Dave for such a fun instrument (UC18)

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Dave designs and manufactures his own scopes.? He has successfully run his own US-based company for decades while competing in a global market place that is dominated by low-cost, off-shore manufacturers who sometimes copy US designs and sell them back to us at lower cost.? How many people can do what Dave has done?? Dave is a great American.

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Go read any forum about any piece of gear (astro-related or otherwise) and there will always be complaints about the product being a complete piece of garbage.? Some of these posts are legit, some are placed by competitors, some by internet trolls, and some are posted by complete nut jobs.? But even the legit complaints are usually outliers.? All sane and saavy buyers will read a couple of “one star” complaints and recognize them for what they are.

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None of the dozen or so telescopes that I have purchased in the past 50 years has worked flawlessly right out of the box, and as the scopes have gotten more complex and more expensive, the problems have gotten worse.? Back in the day (at least in my experience), most problems were mechanical in nature, but the worst problems tended to be intractible (bad optics for example).? Not much the average buyer (me) could do about a bad mirror or lens, unless you could get the vendor or mfg to agree that it was bad.? These days, the optics have gotten much better, but now the problems have to do with electronics, cables, connectors, motors, power, etc.? Although I will point out that I bought a highly regarded and popular 5” refractor from a respectable vendor about 8 years ago that was delivered with several screws rattling around loose in the box - having worked themselves loose during shipping across the Pacific.? So we’re still having mechanical issues too.

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There was a time when I too felt agrieved by this state of affairs, but it has occurred to me that if these products were all flawless, I probabaly would not be able to afford any of them, the market for these products would be much smaller (catering only to wealthy customers), and we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

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Of all the scopes that I’ve purchased over the years, the OBSESSION UC18, while not perfect, is hands down THE BEST TELESCOPE that I have ever owned. ?Thank you, Dave.

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Bob

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