Re: Lunch and FD planning Saturday
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On Fri, Apr 29, 2022, 2:36 AM KE4UW Dave < mossdj@...> wrote:
Looks like the list of who is interested and available for lunch Saturday has whittled down to AE4TQ, WB4SQ, and me.?
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If you guys (or others) are interested let me know and I’ll pick a place.? If not, we can just use the reflector to share ideas.?
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Re: Lunch and FD planning Saturday
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On Apr 28, 2022, at 8:36 PM, KE4UW Dave <mossdj@...> wrote:
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Looks like the list of who is interested and available for lunch Saturday has whittled down to AE4TQ, WB4SQ, and me.?
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If you guys (or others) are interested let me know and I’ll pick a place.? If not, we can just use the reflector to share ideas.?
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Dave UW
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Lunch and FD planning Saturday
Looks like the list of who is interested and available for lunch Saturday has whittled down to AE4TQ, WB4SQ, and me.?
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If you guys (or others) are interested let me know and I’ll pick a place.? If not, we can just use the reflector to share ideas.?
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Dave UW
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FT8 of course.? I guess I tat tingered that one.?
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TT8?
On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 14:30, KE4UW Dave
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All were TT8.? And all 8 contacts were confirmed in LOTW!
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Nice! I missed that entirely. What mode? Or maybe I can figure out a way to spy on your LoTW entries, haha.
Nick
On Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 20:32 KE4UW Dave <mossdj@...>
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In 40 years as a ham, until today I had never worked Korea on 12m.? This evening I worked 8 Korean stations on 12m.? Go figure!
Must be some kind of special event going on in Korea.? Korean QSO party?
Hopefully at least one is on LOTW.?
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On Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 14:30, KE4UW Dave <mossdj@...> wrote:
All were TT8.? And all 8 contacts were confirmed in LOTW!
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Nice! I missed that entirely. What mode? Or maybe I can figure out a way to spy on your LoTW entries, haha.
Nick
On Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 20:32 KE4UW Dave <mossdj@...>
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In 40 years as a ham, until today I had never worked Korea on 12m.? This evening I worked 8 Korean stations on 12m.? Go figure!
Must be some kind of special event going on in Korea.? Korean QSO party?
Hopefully at least one is on LOTW.?
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All were TT8.? And all 8 contacts were confirmed in LOTW!
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]>
On Behalf Of Nick Hecker
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2022 7:20 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [N4N-Field-Day] When it rains . . .
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Nice! I missed that entirely. What mode? Or maybe I can figure out a way to spy on your LoTW entries, haha.
Nick
On Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 20:32 KE4UW Dave <mossdj@...>
wrote:
In 40 years as a ham, until today I had never worked Korea on 12m.? This evening I worked 8 Korean stations on 12m.? Go figure!
Must be some kind of special event going on in Korea.? Korean QSO party?
Hopefully at least one is on LOTW.?
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Nice! I missed that entirely. What mode? Or maybe I can figure out a way to spy on your LoTW entries, haha.
Nick
On Wed, Apr 20, 2022, 20:32 KE4UW Dave < mossdj@...> wrote:
In 40 years as a ham, until today I had never worked Korea on 12m.? This evening I worked 8 Korean stations on 12m.? Go figure!
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Must be some kind of special event going on in Korea.? Korean QSO party?
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Hopefully at least one is on LOTW.? ?
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Dave UW
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In 40 years as a ham, until today I had never worked Korea on 12m.? This evening I worked 8 Korean stations on 12m.? Go figure!
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Must be some kind of special event going on in Korea.? Korean QSO party?
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Hopefully at least one is on LOTW.? ?
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Dave UW
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Back in the pre-N1MM days, Writelog was among the best contest loggers, expecially for RTTY contesting.? But now N1MM is at least as good, maybe in some ways better, and N1MM is free, while Writelog has the
$30/yr or so fee to get the latest updates.?
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Hard to beat excellent and free.? So now I use N1MM
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Dave UW
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]>
On Behalf Of James Nail
Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2022 7:45 AM
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Subject: Re: [N4N-Field-Day] logging?
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Writelog is really not a great choice for any serious contest operation. ?If you want to play around it’s ok, but not a hard core app like N1MM+.?
On Apr 20, 2022, at 7:38 AM, Gary McConville via groups.io <WB4SQ@...> wrote:
?I use DX4WIN for logging and Writelog for contesting
?I use N1MM for all contact logging?
AE4TQ?
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On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 9:29, Nick Hecker
What logging program or method do you use? I'm still in the stone-age, logging to paper during QSO, then putting that in a spreadsheet that ends up on Google for public viewing at <>?and
then mailing out paper cards for meaningful QSOs.
I'm interested in modernizing ... maaaybe to LoTW. What do you use, what problems or benefits does that have for you?
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Writelog is really not a great choice for any serious contest operation. ?If you want to play around it’s ok, but not a hard core app like N1MM+.? James Nail
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On Apr 20, 2022, at 7:38 AM, Gary McConville via groups.io <WB4SQ@...> wrote:
? I use DX4WIN for logging and Writelog for contesting On Apr 19, 2022, at 12:42 PM, Edmund Thompson <Edmundthompson@...> wrote:
?I use N1MM for all contact logging?
Eddie? AE4TQ? On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 9:29, Nick Hecker <nhhecker@...> wrote: Hi folks,
What logging program or method do you use? I'm still in the stone-age, logging to paper during QSO, then putting that in a spreadsheet that ends up on Google for public viewing at <>?and then mailing out paper cards for meaningful QSOs.
I'm interested in modernizing ... maaaybe to LoTW. What do you use, what problems or benefits does that have for you?
Nick KI4YSP
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I use DX4WIN for logging and Writelog for contesting
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On Apr 19, 2022, at 12:42 PM, Edmund Thompson <Edmundthompson@...> wrote:
?I use N1MM for all contact logging?
Eddie? AE4TQ? On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 9:29, Nick Hecker <nhhecker@...> wrote: Hi folks,
What logging program or method do you use? I'm still in the stone-age, logging to paper during QSO, then putting that in a spreadsheet that ends up on Google for public viewing at <>?and then mailing out paper cards for meaningful QSOs.
I'm interested in modernizing ... maaaybe to LoTW. What do you use, what problems or benefits does that have for you?
Nick KI4YSP
-- Nick Hecker
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Alright, I'll throw n3fjp on the pile!
? - ComCat
? - Logic
? - N1MM (used this with N4N FD and a bit personally, found it mostly okay)
? - DX Labs ? - HRD ? - FLlog (I really like FLdigi, so want to try this software too)
? - N3FJP
With small kids and other demands on my time, I'm not a serious contester (by that I mean I've sent in one log file to one contest, ever ... and only to help the other guys get their Qs confirmed) but I do like the idea of using N1MM for casual as well as contest/FD/serious logging. Maybe I'll burn that bridge [sic] when I get to it. I want to explore some featherweight contesting one of these days.
Nick
On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 3:00 PM Steve Allison < swa1969@...> wrote: N3FJP does both networking and wsjt-x integration.
wsjt-x integration:
Networking
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N3FJP does both networking and wsjt-x integration.
wsjt-x integration:
http://www.n3fjp.com/help/wsjt-x-integration-with-n3fjp-software.html
Networking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noNyfS4vPlk
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The N3FJP suite of logging programs are also very strong.? I use it for POTA and it is awesome.? Each "module" (I guess that is the best to call it) is purpose built for the specific contest, so there is no configuring or bailing wire and duct tape needed.? He has a FD module that I looked at, and it looks good.? It is supposedly networkable, but I have not tried that.? I will also look to see if there is integration with the digi programs out of curiosity.??
Just my 2 cents to add to the discussion.
Steve
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Yea. What Jim said. For contesting, use N1MM. ?Other loggers can be used for contests, sorta. But that is what N1MM is designed for and it has many many features optimized for contesting. For some, it’s all you may ever need. But if you want other features for general logging, you can easily import contest logs for award tracking, etc
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On Apr 19, 2022, at 1:27 PM, James Nail <james.nail@...> wrote:
?Just my 2 cents. ?For any serious logging during a ‘contest’ most in the US use N1MM+. ?Having said that FD is not really considered a contest, so most logging programs are adequate.
Jim WA2MBP? James Nail On Apr 19, 2022, at 12:42 PM, Edmund Thompson <Edmundthompson@...> wrote:
?I use N1MM for all contact logging?
Eddie? AE4TQ? On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 9:29, Nick Hecker <nhhecker@...> wrote: Hi folks,
What logging program or method do you use? I'm still in the stone-age, logging to paper during QSO, then putting that in a spreadsheet that ends up on Google for public viewing at <>?and then mailing out paper cards for meaningful QSOs.
I'm interested in modernizing ... maaaybe to LoTW. What do you use, what problems or benefits does that have for you?
Nick KI4YSP
-- Nick Hecker
Decatur, GA, USA
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Just my 2 cents. ?For any serious logging during a ‘contest’ most in the US use N1MM+. ?Having said that FD is not really considered a contest, so most logging programs are adequate.
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On Apr 19, 2022, at 12:42 PM, Edmund Thompson <Edmundthompson@...> wrote:
?I use N1MM for all contact logging?
Eddie? AE4TQ? On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 9:29, Nick Hecker <nhhecker@...> wrote: Hi folks,
What logging program or method do you use? I'm still in the stone-age, logging to paper during QSO, then putting that in a spreadsheet that ends up on Google for public viewing at <>?and then mailing out paper cards for meaningful QSOs.
I'm interested in modernizing ... maaaybe to LoTW. What do you use, what problems or benefits does that have for you?
Nick KI4YSP
-- Nick Hecker
Decatur, GA, USA
0x87209940
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Nick,
The various web-based logs have somewhat different purposes.?
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LOTW is the ARRL’s “official” log-matching program.? Your log is compared to that of others who upload, and where they match ARRL will (for a fee) give credit for that country/band/mode in the DXCC program.? LOTW is the only web logging
program that will do that.? If you are serious about DXing and are chasing credit towards awards, LOTW is the place to go.
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eQSL and QRZ logs are ways to share info with others you have worked, but will not get you credit toward DXCC awards.? For what I am hunting, they do me no good, so I don’t bother with them.?
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Clublog has many features that help you to get confirmation of contacts with other hams, especially DXpeditions or somewhat rare entities.? The log matching feature lets you confirm you are in their log before spending the money to send
a QSL.? The OQRS system lets you pay a fee online for matched contacts (your log and the DX log) so you get a QSL card and/or LOTW confirmation sooner and maybe cheaper than paying postage both ways.? In some cases the DX station wants $5 or so.? That’s more
than the true cost of them mailing the card, but about what you’ll spend for a ccard, envelopes, 2 or 3 “green stamps”, and outgoing postage).? It also raises money to support the DXpedition.? Like it or not, these expeditions to the really rare uninhabited
islands cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to pull off that has to be recovered somehow.? A small add-on the the OQRS fee is a gentle way to spread the pain around amongst those needing the confirmation.? If someone in a less rare country wants money, I’d
skip them, as there are many many folks using LOTW for all contacts and it doesn’t cost you anything extra.? But if you really, really
need that rare one . . .
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As far as I know, Cabrillo has always been a means of submitting contest scores.? It was designed specifically for that, and only for that.? The amount of log data included is pretty much limited to only the data essential for scoring a
contest.? It won’t include name, qth (other than DXCC entity as a contest multiplier), QSL information, etc.? (The contest logging program may support these things, but the info won’t be in a Cabrillo file).? There are other folks smarter than I am on this
one, but that’s the way I believe it works)?
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Dave UW
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From: Nick Hecker
Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 12:37 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [N4N-Field-Day] logging?
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Thanks for all the well thought out replies, and I'm happy to hear more opinions if they're out there. There's so much to read on logging that it drives me crazy. I'm trying to modernize, but ... I work in tech behind a keyboard all day,
so my radio time is generally spent as far away from a screen as possible. I log a night or two on paper, then type that into a computer as time permits. (Which means mostly no digital Qs, unless the bug bites and I drag a laptop over to my radio desk. Although
I keep hearing about how awesome the FTn modes are so eventually I'll want to give that a try, I am sure.) Maybe I'll end up with a small laptop or something that hopefully won't produce too much RFI.
Dave, your comment on interoperability & customizability is well-taken! I originally used a spreadsheet as a log because I wanted to log things (e.g., remote ant & pwr) that weren't in any other loggers out of the box at the time (or maybe
I didn't look hard enough). Ditto the ability to import, export, and read the log file. I keep a local copy of my spreadsheet as a .csv file can be easily read by Excel or by Eyeball. The ADIF format seems human-readable /enough/ and looks like it does support
custom user-defined fields, which is cool. Speaking of import/export, is Cabrillo not the gold standard format anymore? Once upon a time, I thought it was.
Maybe the best way to burn an evening(s) on this is to just download a bunch of loggers and see what works. Bonus points for customizability, open source, & running on different OSes. So far I have:
? - ComCat
? - Logic
? - N1MM (used this with N4N FD and a bit personally, found it mostly okay)
? - FLlog (I really like FLdigi, so want to try this software too)
? - ???
Side question for all you fancy-pants OPs who upload their logs to the big logbook in the sky: I get the desire for this, but is there a process that doesn't involve trying to separately upload everything to LoTW, eQSL, Clublog, QRZ, etc.?
If not, is there a best one or two that you and most other OPs tend to use? From a few minutes looking, it seems like you can fairly easily go from LoTW --> others, but there may be online logbooks that don't support ingesting from LoTW.
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I use N1MM for all contact logging?
Eddie?
On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 9:29, Nick Hecker <nhhecker@...> wrote: Hi folks,
What logging program or method do you use? I'm still in the stone-age, logging to paper during QSO, then putting that in a spreadsheet that ends up on Google for public viewing at <>?and then mailing out paper cards for meaningful QSOs.
I'm interested in modernizing ... maaaybe to LoTW. What do you use, what problems or benefits does that have for you?
Nick KI4YSP
-- Nick Hecker
Decatur, GA, USA
0x87209940
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Hi folks!
Thanks for all the well thought out replies, and I'm happy to hear more opinions if they're out there. There's so much to read on logging that it drives me crazy. I'm trying to modernize, but ... I work in tech behind a keyboard all day, so my radio time is generally spent as far away from a screen as possible. I log a night or two on paper, then type that into a computer as time permits. (Which means mostly no digital Qs, unless the bug bites and I drag a laptop over to my radio desk. Although I keep hearing about how awesome the FTn modes are so eventually I'll want to give that a try, I am sure.) Maybe I'll end up with a small laptop or something that hopefully won't produce too much RFI.
Dave, your comment on interoperability & customizability is well-taken! I originally used a spreadsheet as a log because I wanted to log things (e.g., remote ant & pwr) that weren't in any other loggers out of the box at the time (or maybe I didn't look hard enough). Ditto the ability to import, export, and read the log file. I keep a local copy of my spreadsheet as a .csv file can be easily read by Excel or by Eyeball. The ADIF format seems human-readable /enough/ and looks like it does support custom user-defined fields, which is cool. Speaking of import/export, is Cabrillo not the gold standard format anymore? Once upon a time, I thought it was.
Maybe the best way to burn an evening(s) on this is to just download a bunch of loggers and see what works. Bonus points for customizability, open source, & running on different OSes. So far I have:
? - ComCat
? - Logic
? - N1MM (used this with N4N FD and a bit personally, found it mostly okay)
? - DX Labs ? - HRD ? - FLlog (I really like FLdigi, so want to try this software too)
? - ???
Side question for all you fancy-pants OPs who upload their logs to the big logbook in the sky: I get the desire for this, but is there a process that doesn't involve trying to separately upload everything to LoTW, eQSL, Clublog, QRZ, etc.? If not, is there a best one or two that you and most other OPs tend to use? From a few minutes looking, it seems like you can fairly easily go from LoTW --> others, but there may be online logbooks that don't support ingesting from LoTW.
Tnx! Nick
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I will plan to bring it. Might even run digital on 6 ? ? ? de Eric Howell W4MC w4mc@... . . .? _ . _ ? ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of KE4UW Dave Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2022 11:08 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [N4N-Field-Day] FD2022 ? Eric, The only need for your TS-590 I can think of would be if you really want to set up one operator position with two radios on FT4/8.? We could do that with two TS-590s to keep setup a bit simpler.? Might be useful to show folks who haven’t done it how it can work.? Might also be something we could do to use one more open band when the CW station isn’t operating (we have only one CW op so far). ? UW ? Sent from for Windows ? ? Dave, ? Let me know if we need my TS-590 and/or my IC-9100 ? ? ? Hey Eric, Too bad you won’t make it for lunch.? But at least that will move the “central” location for lunch much closer to Marietta instead of somewhere around Anderson, SC.? ? ? Maybe we could try and set up one computer with two radios to do the SO2R thing.? But it might not be as easy with a Scottish ale in one hand.? But if we have enough radios . . . ? Speaking of radios . . .? I have a TS-590, Eddie has the IC-7300, and Joe (I suppose) will bring his K3.? Without too much trouble, I could remove the TS-890 from the ham shack and make it available.? That would be enough for 3A/D/E plus VHF.? Any other radios available? ? Dave UW ? ? Unfortunately I can’t make lunch. ? Because the setup is so simple I think that we might go ahead and consider running A class. For the last 2 years I ran 2A ?all digital in SC and did very well in my class (perhaps because I didn’t have much competition ;-) ). ? Something to consider is placement of the radios. Because of the number of people, one person could actually run two bands at the same time. (Note above paragraph) ? On another note of equally important, I will keg the Scottish Ale this week. ? ? ? Hope everyone had a super Easter weekend! Well, from the folks responding so far, it looks like for FD 2022 we have AE4TQ Eddie, W4MC Eric, WB4SQ Gary, AJ2Y Joe, and KE4UW Dave in for sure, and maybe WK4U Tim, W2SWA? Steve, and KI4YSP Nick for some level of maybe/possibly/part time.? For those who are interested in participating this year (or anyone who wants to come), how about lunch in a couple weeks to talk about what we might want to do this year.? Some of us may be going to the Calhoun Hamfest next Saturday 4/23 (with a side trip to the shooting range 10 minutes away).? So how about the following Saturday 4/30?? We can pick a place sort of central to those who are coming to lunch. Feel free to share your thoughts via email as well.? I’ll start . . .? (hee hee): ·?????? With the number of folks we will have, we’ll need to keep the setup simple.? A few wire antennas, the 40m verticals, the 6m yagi, and maybe? a wire vertical for 80m, and call it a day.? Three radios?? Maybe a fourth dedicated to VHF/UHF primarily for 6m? ·?????? I think we learned a lot last year about how to operate off of solar panels and batteries.? It worked pretty well, and we could probably to that again with minimal setup effort, including a wee bit of help from one small generator that I have if the solar panels can’t quite keep up. ·?????? Joe can rack up as many CW points as he cares to, but like last year, it may be the digital modes that gets us the most points.? I’m thinking at least two, maybe three stations set up for digital. ·??????? For much of the day, we will probably have 40, 20, 15, 10, and 6m open.? Three or four stations all on different bands might simmer down the interference problems a bit . . . Or 6m may be dead as a hammer and the solar flux may drop below 100 again and make 10 and 15 useless.? YMMV ·?????? Regardless of the number of transmitters, we have some options in the class we operate in.? We could do the traditional A class, of course.? We could do the antenna setup the weekend before and use shore power for everything and operate D class.? Or we could set up the weekend before and use emergency power sources and operate E class.? Whichever we choose, who you can work and points per Q are the same. Other ideas? UW ?
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